ArenaNet talk:In-game talk

Note: This is the discussion page for the article regarding Gaile and Frog Talks. If you wish to leave a message for the user Gaile Gray, visit her personal User talk page.

How to do this one?

Currently the source for the logs are players who manage to witness a Gaile or Frog talk and post them in a forum, usually with some kind of water mark. Are we allowed to post those logs here (after asking for the users' permission, of course) with the water mark? Or would this section require us to take the logs ourselves and only post those?

I was trying to find a way to convert the logs into text through OCR, but so far I haven't been able to find an easy way to do that (the best I could do with what I have available would require me to manually type almost all the chat). I don't know if someone who has more knowledge or aptitude with that kind of software would like this idea, but here it is. Erasculio 18:41, 7 March 2007 (EST)

My opinion has always been that someone will have to manually copy across the gaile logs to plain wiki text (feel free to correct). This is based off the very limited discussion at Talk:Main_Page/editcopy It is unfortunate that no logs so far can be automatically transferred. My opinion is that we should try and get in touch with the main recording crew (the boat guild + others) and get them to translate across to text. I would get in contact but I have no input at gwonline/gwguru. I'm also happy (for now) to translate to text if people are willing to release under the Guild Wars Wiki:Copyrights. Let me know if you would like those releases under any copyright to appear at this stage. --Indecision 05:31, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Liu Pi, the creator of gwBBcode, has an OCR method to read each and every skill description from screenshots. Perhaps he might be able to help you with converting the Frog/Gaile logs Erasculio. --CoRrRan 05:51, 8 March 2007 (EST)

There are programs that will turn text in graphics into ASCII format. The only one I've used was of limited use. I don't know how well it would process screen captures. If I still have the program on my computer I'll try to process one of the Gaile logs and see how much work it would be to clean it up. --Rainith 14:57, 8 March 2007 (EST)

I've had some success with using SimpleOCR on the 7th March log posted by Earnbrand Aelbwine on the GWOnline forums, and then editing the resulting text back against the original log images. I found that by converting the image to greyscale and increasing the size I was able to extract a reasonable amount of text from the images. I've currently got the log in text form, however I am waiting on permission from Earnbrand before posting. Also, as the conversion of these logs may introduce unintended errors in the log itself, I think there should be some sort of disclaimer, to protect Gaile. --Indecision 04:00, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Out of curiosity, how much of the text (more or less) was converted without the need for manual typing? I have posted at the bwBBcode forum asking for help with the OCR conversion, and it would be interesting to know how much of a given text has been properly converted for a comparison between methodologies. Erasculio 21:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I would estimate the amount of text successfully converted to be around 70%. A lot depends on the quality of the images and the presence of watermarks. There were certainly enough errors that the editing process took up a long period of time. The main problems were screen shot artifacts (e.g. spots of green system text, and the presence of a watermark on the images). A better result would be possible with better quality images and a pure black/one colour background. On the other hand if the watermark's opacity is increased (as in the 12/03/07 log), it becomes very difficult to extract text without a great number of errors. I haven't done a great deal of image manipulation, as I'm only using Irfanview. --Indecision 22:25, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Ok, I found a very good software, thanks to the nice forumers on the gwBBcode forum, "ABBY Fine Reader 8.0". I have the trial version (for more 14 days now : D). What I would like to know is, how close to the original do people want the OCRed log to be? For example, when Gaile breaks a line, would you rather have a linebreak as well, or just change it so it would become one single line? Also, what about the (few) typos she makes, would people like those to be fixed or to be left as they are? The problem with leaving them is that people would wonder if it's a typo by Gaile or by the log poster. As soon as I get permission to post them here from the person who took the images, I'll post what I have, and let everyone decide on formating. Erasculio 15:53, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

My opinnions: Leave typos as they are. Line breaks are not possible in the GW chat, so remove them as they are just caused by the chat window width. -- (gem / talk) 16:04, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Nice find with the ABBYY Fine Reader, does a much better job than SimpleOCR. I've used that on the latest log (12/03/07) and produced the text version much more rapidly. I don't want to double up with logs that you are working on at the moment, so I'm going to hold off doing any more for a while, particularly as I just realised that you've completed that log (oops). Still waiting on permission for the first log. As far as typos/line breaks go, I've been leaving the typos and removing most line breaks. I've left line breaks where Gaile has typed ... and continued in the next line for now. --Indecision 21:49, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

It is cool, isn't it? Although the credit for finding it isn't mine, I have growth fond of it. If you are willing to do some more logs (one day, there's no hurry), I think we could try to split some between the two of us to avoid doing the same logs twice. Erasculio 23:12, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Would higher quality source images help with the OCR? I still have the .psd files for many of the logs I've compiled and could send them or higher quality .jpgs than the ones I posted to the GWO forums. Earnbrand Aelbwine 22:44, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Certainly, higher quality images are always helpful :). In particular, higher resolution images without a watermark and with a DPI of 300 would be helpful. I wouldn't worry terribly much about re-providing old logs, as the ABBY Fine Reader program seems to do a very good job with only minimal cleaning up of the currently posted logs (i.e. Resample to 4x size and 300 DPI, then Negative and Decrease Color Depth to Black and White). However, such images would certainly be very helpful in the future. Thank you also for allowing your logs to be OCRed and posted. --Indecision 00:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Summaries vs. Full logs

Just wondering what people's thoughts were on the use of summaries as opposed to text versions of the full logs. Summaries would save a large number of problems with OCR conversion and log recording, but might be open to interpretation errors. I'm not opposed to the use of summaries, provided they're accurate :). --Indecision 20:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I would like a full log plus a summary. -- (gem / talk) 21:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I would rather avoid a summary, given how much of it would be a matter of interpretation (especially here, in the Official Wiki, where people are more likely to see things as "official"). The full text in OCR would be better, but then again it has some problems, even beyond the technical difficulties. Erasculio 21:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

i would like to see the summaries, just makes everthing a lot quicker :P -Anti Oath

I agree with the summaries. Posting full logs would seem redundant and unnecessarily weigh down the wiki. Just about anyone visiting here would have the knowledge and ability to find the logs in one of the fan forums to look up details on the info they need. Plus, much detail would be given at some point on the official site. {{User:HanokOdbrook|HanokOdbrook]] 10:22, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Remember when one of the summaries said that a "big thing" was coming because whoever wrote it made a mistake in the summary ? Remember the problems that caused. I'd say that at the very least the screenshots of the chat should be saved on the wiki somewhere.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:203.184.43.52 .

At least the OCR team should complete the "full log" sections, we have summaries but no logs for a long time now. This would prevent many mistakes - and we won't need the screenshots. BigBluetalk 09:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Permissions

At the moment, I've been operating assuming that permission from the original logger would be necessary prior to posting text versions of the logs on the wiki. I still believe that this is the most polite way to do things, however, is it technically/legally necessary to get the logger's permission, as we are not using the actual images posted, but rather only the text contained within the images? As this text was originally typed by Gaile, who is the actual copyright/information holder? --Indecision 21:53, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

That's actually a good question, now that you mention it. I would guess it belongs to either Gaile (as she was the one who said it), or to Arena Net (as it was said within their game). I doubt it would belong to the logger, even if I agree that it's polite to ask for permission. Erasculio 23:12, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

IANAL, but I do not think that the poster of the image can assert a copyright over the text in it. I may be wrong though. --Rainith 23:19, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I don't think there is any reason why you should ask him. -- (gem / talk) 02:58, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

I do have a list of the guys from boat who said we could use their logs on the wiki. Send me a PM on GWO, Erasculio, and I'll send it to you (otherwise, I'm so scatterbrained these days that I might forget to send it to you). I still think it would be a nice gesture to say : "Log courtesy of" or "Logged by".Zahra 16:55, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Giving credit should really be done; not on the log page itself, but on the talk page. What comes to asking permission, it is a nice gesture, but not actually required as the lines written by Gaile are factual information, not creation of the loggers. -- (gem / talk) 17:10, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

I disagree on giving credit on the talk page for the logs - while there's really no need to do so, I think it's a nice way to say thanks if we add a "Log courtesy of xxx" in the end of the log itself. Erasculio 19:43, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree with giving credit at the bottom of the log itself. See the bottom of 20070307 for my idea on formatting/wording. If guild pages are allowed, this could be wikified later. --Indecision 19:53, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

I like the format you used. The only thing I would like to change is the indentation - between the italic and the note not having the bolded with italic that marks Gaile's chat, I think the credits would be visible enough without it. If you really want to keep it, I'm ok with it though. Erasculio 21:10, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Formatting

Here's the log (permission arrived). I'm not sure about the format, though. I have kept it as simple as possible, following a suggestion above to remove the line breakers but keeping the text exactly as Gaile typed it. The huge block of text feels a bit "raw", though...Does someone have an idea of how, well, make it look prettier? I thought about bolding the "Gaile Gray" bits but I think that would be redundant (the only reason why I haven't removed them is to make clear where it's a new line). Erasculio 07:14, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

perhaps some extra line where new topic in talk starts? or bolding summary informations? - MSorglos 10:32, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps also wikification where it is useful, although that may be quite a large job. Alternatively, we could use summary headings (perhaps formatted less obtrusively, maybe normal size bold italics) within the chat (e.g. ~Heroes Ascent Information~ prior to the short discussion about HA). Not sure if this would break up the chat log too much. --Indecision 11:04, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Suggestions for formatting which I will implement in the article:

• Wikification. This shouldn't bee too hard if only things important for the content are wikified.
• No headers in between the text.
• Bold + italics for the "Gaile Gray:".
• Summary at the top. Summary bullets organised in the same order as the content of the talk. -- (gem / talk) 13:39, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Number of Logs/Page

I'm curious as to the number of logs people would like displayed on the main Gaile/Frog Talk article, as they are quite large. I think perhaps dealing with it in a similar fashion as the Game Updates page might work (e.g. archiving monthly and two months available on the main article). Given this, how far back would people like the archive to extend? That is, should I start working on earlier logs (6th March, and February logs). --Indecision 19:59, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree with the idea of archiving them, and I would suggest to do so per month. Right now I just did the log for February 23rd (I chose it because I realized you likely wouldn't skip logs, so we wouldn't end up doing the same one : D). I think we would be ok with the logs for March and February. I don't know how to make the archives pages myself, though... Erasculio 21:10, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

We could also only include the summaried on the main page and provide links to the full logs. That way we could have more logs on this page before the need to archive. -- (gem / talk) 04:20, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I think that including only summaries on main page is great. This would also make navigation easier in my opinion (One page one log on subpages). - MSorglos 10:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I've now added the summary heading to all of the logs and added no include tags to remove the full logs from view on this page. There are easy links to see the full log, but I would appreciate it if someone would make the summaries for the older logs. I'll make one for the newest log. -- (gem / talk) 04:26, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Thank you!

I was just cruising around the GWW this evening when I randomly clicked through the Gaile/Frog Talk link and lo, amazing progress! This is something for which I really want to express my thanks, because a log is helpful to players for any news bits it may contain, and helpful to me as a reminder of things on which I can follow up. I take a lot of notes, but I also miss some of the stuff I say, or am asked, or hope to accomplish after a visit. I can read the log and think, "Oh, yes, ask Mike about [such-and-such]" or "Check with the programmers about the timeline for [this update]" or "Do we know a final date for a decision on [that other thing]?" or even "See if I can wheedle more information about the next holiday event." Oh, yes, and when reading forum threads with alleged quotes later, I can ask myself, "Did I really promise that?! and then sleep at night knowing my halo is still in place. :) So thanks so much to those of you working so hard on this section! --Gaile 01:17, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Requests

How can we have a request page where we can post some request?

I have the feeling those suggestions are better suited for the Fansite Forums, where the community may support (or not) your idea with further comments and improved suggestions, therefore giving Arena Net an incentive to put it into the game. Erasculio 21:29, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Fansite forums are better for this, but you are also allowed to start such a thing in your user name space. -- (gem / talk) 04:07, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Like I'm doing, for example : D Erasculio 11:30, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Fan forums are the best place for suggestions. This is because we spend a lot of time, singly and collectively, reading those forums. Alternately, yes, you may post your thoughts on your personal User Page, another great idea. Thirdly, articles devoted to a topic--for example, a page about Hero Battles--might be enhanced by comments added to a discussion page linked to that article. To be completely honest, game development suggestions or questions about game development on a dev's personal user page seem a bit inappropriate. --Gaile 23:54, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Here is my talk page for some requests i posted, u can post here too "Request"

Full log for April the First, 2007

Guys, I have began doing it (I did the first image), and now I'll ask the person who did the log if he could send me a copy without the water-mark (that really hurts the OCR reading). If someone doesn't want to wait and would rather do it now, remember that the first of the four images is done. Erasculio 22:49, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

There it is. I have added "The Frog:" to the Frog's dialogues, so they're easier to find. Erasculio 09:30, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, they are always alot easier to read here than from screenies. - Anja Astor 09:44, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

GW2

This game sounds like it sucks...horrible in general. Ruins all the original elements of the game people liked. A cheap version of WoW. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:205.127.169.30 .

A strong statement considering the game is not out yet, nowhere near completion and is merely opinion. Whilst you are entitled to your opinions I fail to see how this is do with the article this page is for. --Lemming64 16:17, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Should people be entitled to sharing their opinions when they are not supported by information? Alaris 05:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I imagine that they should be entitled to in an appropriate forum. This wiki doesn't seem like an appropriate forum. 69.112.29.153 16:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Gaile Talk, Kamadan april 7th

This was (as usual) logged on GWO by [TBC] - but no summary was posted here. Is someone already working on it or did it fall through the cracks? The chat in question happened BEFORE the ATS chat..

Moved ATS Talk to Gaile/Frog Talk/20070407SecondLog and added Gaile/Frog Talk/20070407. Now you can add a summary and the complete log. BigBlue 07:01, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Remember that this is a wiki - if something is not there, there is nothing preventing you from adding it yourself instead of asking others to do it : ) Erasculio 10:18, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Next time use the big move button at the top, then you are less likely to get reverts, and it keeps the edit history afaik. --Lemming64 12:06, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Gaile Talk, Maguuma Stade April 14th

Screenshot:

— Rapta (talk|contribs) 16:31, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

What was this all about? Wiking 17:24, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Read this forum thread. Some ppl at GWO made a ralley for the Mursaat and it seems like the Mursaat got wind of it. :) --84-175 (talk) 17:28, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Stupid cause but thanks for the heads up, mate. Wiking 08:45, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Random place to ask this, but...Do you guys think we should document the "Mursaat Rally" on an event pahge? Granted it was something small and player driven, but I think it's worth documenting it not only as a player activity supported by Arena Net, but also as an interesting event that happened in GW. Erasculio 10:14, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

I think its worth documenting, but I'm biased because I was there :) --Indecision 10:18, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

On a side note there was alot of talk in Kamandan International 1 about where Gaile was most people came to the conclusion that she was at Maguuma Stade --Spartiatai 12:01, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

I don't think this "event" justifies it's own article. But I would agree to a link to that forum thread from a note on the Gaile log. --84-175 (talk) 17:32, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Having learned about this just now, I think this deserves it's own article as it is an in game event which was influenced by ANet. (Don't tell me the Mursaat ran away from the Shiverpeaks without ANet knowing ;) ) -- (gem / talk) 07:17, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

I've added a note to this log. Now everybody understands and I think we can leave this on Gaile Talk for now. BigBlue 07:37, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

crude archiving

Ok I have made a crude archive as the main page was getting quite long with the articles building up, however if someone wants to create or import some kind of nice navigation for this, please be my guest :) --Lemming64 12:35, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

mac support

one thing i think they should do is put it up 4 mac users 2, it looks interesting --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.147.138.168 .

Although it's not officially supported, Guild Wars will run in Wine on a mac as long as you have an Intel processor. Details are in the running the game article. -- Gordon Ecker 22:14, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

I think it would be cool to have Guildwars for mac Osx 10.4 Or higher, G5 or Intel Based would be awesome, it would be my final step to getting rid of windows. As far as using wine...no way lol, PURE 100% Guildwars on a mac! - Chrisworld 02:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Currently, I am using a MacPro OSX 10.4 Intel Core Duo with 2gb of RAM using CrossOver to run Guild Wars. Works great for me and has a few small issues with combat sounds and a partially visible cursor. Other than that, it runs like a dream and plan to use it this way other than using it in BootCamp. -Xalis

PVP updates

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/531/gw160re6.jpg

worth adding? "Possible Faction PvP updates coming soon." I'll add it in, if someone can give a reason not to, post it here and edit it out.

Then Something big is gonna happen soon, a BIG PvP Update! - Chrisworld 02:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Ranger Quiver Graphic

I asked Gaile what she thought about A graphic of a Quiver of arrows (just a graphic) on Rangers or ?/R. Her response was that she thought that was good, im hoping she adds it to a list lol. - Chrisworld 02:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Then we need a quiver for paragon too..and warrior..and monk...and..EVERYBODY! Because everyone uses bow. Lightblade 18:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Why not add a quiver/spearholder graphic to any character when they equip the relevant weapon ? Wouldn't that be a better solution if implemented ?? Clan Yumemiru 18:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Reason they didn't in the past is Quiver + Guild cape = messed up clipping. There's already too much clipping with armor and the guild cape. It'll look horrid with this in place unless they spend some serious time fixing the cape and armor interaction. --File:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG Vallen Frostweaver 19:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Quivers weren't always worn on the back - sometimes they hung off your belt. Movies these days teaching people the darndest things! - BeX 03:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually Quivers should be the offhand item for a ranger and a crossbow being a true two handed weapon that does not allow for a special Quiver because you always need to use two hands to hold the crossbow. Granted this don't fit with real world exactly but to me a closer to the real thing. Quivers could give a bonus such as dmg+1 or dmg+2 etc. But a crossbow would have shorter range but higher dmg. It would be like a shortbow range at maximum. But with more deadly force and natural armor penetration if they are at point blank range. Just some crazy thoughts I posted long ago in a forum far far away... and this is the less detailed version as well...Chik En 21:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Auction House

hey i have heard people talking about an auction house for guild wars, what do they mean exactly? like the auction page on guru inside the game? or something else? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:72.211.138.192 .

The concept would most likely differ between people, but the main theme is somewhere (or someone) you can put your items up for trade, with your price and a search function for people to find your things. That way you don't have to stand in town spamming for hours and can go and play the game. - BeX 04:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

To specify, they are talking about the possible addition of such an auction house, it currently does not exist in guild wars (and Gaile stated that it will not come with GW:EN as well). --Xeeron 09:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Possible in GW2 not GW1 =P Biz 09:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't even want an auction house as trade improvement. I rather have those stores you can set up like in: Lineage II, Rose online, Maple story. --Jurrit 12:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of what people want or would like (myself included) , A.net have already confirmed the system will not be implemented in GW1. No matter how badly we could use a more formalized, chat-independent item exchange/trading system (and the Five Gods know we do!) I seriously doubt the current game system allows for any implementation withough some serious recoding ... which takes time away from creating cool new content for us to play in. Not ? Clan Yumemiru 13:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I like the idea of a merchant like runescapes ^.^ While simplistic, someone could buy exactly what you sold back. Elviondale 17:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No1 is gona buy white items I sell to merchant and No1 is gona sell Flawless Golds for 300 coins to merchant. Biz 17:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well obviously. I said I liked the idea, not that the devs should get on implementing as we speak. I'm talking upgrades, runes, collector items. "Hey, I need 5 hydra claws" "Well I just happen to have some". Guild Wars already scales the costs of dyes, runes, materials, etc- it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to introduce that same scaling to items. Have some insight.. please. Elviondale 22:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid the sheer volume of different items makes this impossible. To put things in perspective, there are already over 200 (!!) types of different collectable drops alone ... I appreciate the idea, but I'm afraid the logistics and implementation falls flat rather quickly - it's a lot of effort, and I mean a LOT of effort - which is probably better spent elsewhere. Clan Yumemiru 06:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I think for most items, you could have merchants like we already have for runes, dyes, and materials. 1 price per item, using mechanisms that are already in place, and you need a few additional NPCs for the different types of items (put them in Lion's arch, Kamadan, and Kaineng; people can travel there for those purchases). Minis, drinks and sugars, quest items, some often requested collector items (have the list grow over time). It's not a trade house, but it'll reduce the demand for one. Alaris 14:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Its not like adding that will be any easier then just adding a real auction house, either way none will happened in GW1 if you are to judge from information available at this point. Biz 14:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Indent reset. Actually, we know Auction house won't happen. But from a programming standpoint, having done my share of programming so talking with some experience, an auction house requires the addition of a lot of code for user interfaces, for comparing offers and buyers, for keeping track of transactions, etc. In contrast, merchants can re-use of lot of existing code, and so should be much easier to implement (though still require some work, of course). I think it would be a feature worth implementing to make the wait for GW2 easier. Alaris 16:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

"No trade spam in All Chat"

Hello there Gaile and others. Quick question about this topic. Are we allowed to start reporting usernames of people who are not following this rule, even after a friendly warning? I usually post the following: Gaile Gray:Please tell people that we will be starting to enfore the "No trade spam in All Chat" in the VERY near future whenever I still see people SPAMMING their trades in the Local chat. If we are allowed to begin reporting names, where would we be allowed to do so? Thank you everyone. - Nweasel 01:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yikes man... I don't want to sound like a jerk, but do you really want to be the spam police? I personally don't spend enough time in districts to write down the names of all the offenders and report them, but I'm pretty sure that there's some sort of automated system that flags your account... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Elviondale .

Offensive names, suspected bots, and suspected gilsellers can all be reported at reportname@arena.net. Anything else should be routed through the support system. MisterPepe talk 02:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright. That's basically what I needed to know. We'll see if something more turns up in the coming future. Thank you! - Nweasel 02:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Log for 7th July

Anyone have the log for this? There isn't one up on here which is my usual source for the ones I miss. --Lemming64 21:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Log for 7th August

http://guildwars.gameamp.com/forum/showTopic/62915.php - BeX 11:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

SMS Payments

I was wondering, will the SMS payment options be available before the Bonus Mission promo ends, and if it will be an option in the Online Store or PlayNC? Karuro 16:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing Gaile Logs

Did nobody log Gaile on 19. or 22. 09.2007? (it was me, forgot to sign) - MSorglos (talk|contrib) 13:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

They are normally up here [1] but I can't see either logs for those dates. --Lemming 16:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

30augustus last post, I'm missing her in game. Today it is 7oktober, 1month not in game :*( .

Adding an Elite Skill/Contest!

Gaile, I was just thinking of something that would really... boost the community. And take almost no effort from programmers and whatnot. Adding an Mesmer elite to the game. It has 1 less elite than all the others because an elite was pulled before prophecies went live.

It would obviously need to be core, but I think it would be... such a boost! Mesmer are already VERY scarce, mainly in PvE so giving them a new elite wouldn't cause any balance issues.

My idea: Host a contest on the main website to create a new elite Mesmer skilled (attribute don't matter.), they must create the skill along with the icon, etc. Pick 1 Winner, 10 Honorable mentions The 1st place reward: MINIATURE Dying Nightmare <A great idea I thought of, seeing as how your looking for new ideas for mini's) 2nd place reward: Miniature Mallyx (or something like that)

although it sounds simple, i do not think this will be implemented, they have said not much more will be going into GW1. just my thoughts. --Robot 18:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Especially since this missing elite has been apparent for 2 1/2 years now. I don't think they'll fix it :\ -elviondale (tahlk) 00:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think that mesmers have 1 less is a valid reason. They have 1 less than core, and warriors have 1 more. Rits/Sins have 10 less, and Paragons/Dervs have 20 less. Also, the missing skill is a prophecies skill, because they have the same number of core skills as other core profs. Alaris 02:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

While we're on the subject of new Elite Skills, why not a new Elite form for Derv's seeing that there is an additional God/Avatar Fun 21:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Why Not 'Avatar of Abbaddon' Or 'Avatar of Kormir' ? that could be cool. --Robot 20:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh. "Avatar of Kormir, Elite Form. You are blinded for 70 seconds and cannot attack. You gain 1 energy whenever someone else kills a foe for you. This skill is disabled for 0 seconds." --Mme. Donelle 01:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Corrections to the Summaries

We really appreciate that players are logging chats and keeping records of what is said during in-game visits. It's nearly impossible for us to do that, with the challenge simply of keeping up with the quickly-scrolling text. However, putting up a synopsis of a chat, without some sort of establishing proof (such as screenshots of the actual chat log) can create problems.

What would the wiki community like me to do about those errors? Is it appropriate for me to correct the summaries? (The page history will reflect the changes, so there is a record and no "stealth changing.") Or would it be better to make a note below the topic on that page? Alternately, should I make a note here on the talk page and hope that someone will amend the topic page? I know it is essential that the content not remain uncorrected, because there can be all sorts of issues with inaccurate information, rumor control, and so forth.

For instance, the summary of a chat on December 17th has some serious errors:

• "SMS and IVR caused big problems in the Online Store, but she knows that something new is coming soon"

• No, SMS and IVR have not "caused big problems." The only problem has been that the systems have not been fully rolled out. We are going to expand purchase options, but in the meantime it would be best to avoid wording that implies there has been a failure somewhere within the existing system

• "They are preparing a new contest for Europe, similar to Minimania Contest"

• Absolutely incorrect. We are not -- and likely will not -- prepare a contest for Europe alone. Our goal is to offer contests and promotions on a global basis. The Mini Mania Contest was designed to balance a very large marketing promotion on Europe. To offer another contest in Europe alone would create another imbalance, and we'd be back to offering a regionally-restricted contest yet again. That is something we are trying very hard to minimize or even eliminate.

• "Also a contest for Asian minipets, i.e. Panda, Kanaxai and Naga"

• No contest, per se. These miniatures may be used for prize support in upcoming contests, but we are not devising a contest expressly to give them away. That's a fine point, I know, but it's important that it be made.

Please share your thoughts on the best way for me to amend inaccuracies or even simply clarify a message (and how to fix the inaccuracies in that summary). -- Gaile 02:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all: Merry Chrismas Gaile! :) To your concerns: As I stated somewhere above we need the OCR text of your logs, but the "OCR people" didn't had the time to do that for a long time now. Unfortunately I'm technically not able to do that. My written summeries here are mostly based on third sources - and I know that this can cause many errors. But I'm believing in the power of a wiki, unfortunately not many wikipedians are correcting my posts. I would be grateful if somebody or you could change some elements in this lists. I think we have two options:

• Simply changing text, wrong interpretations: adding the word not
• Striking things out with <s> and the correction after this.

I'm prefering the first option. And yes, I think your are also allowed to change texts in here. BigBluetalk 09:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Ofcourse you can edit the summaries to include correct information as long as it follows what was said in the actual in game discussion. If the situation somehow changed after the talk and it's very important that people should be aware of it, don't change the lines of the summary if they reflect what was talked in game but instead put a bolded notice about the change in situation. -- (gem / talk) 16:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

i dont get this, why do people interpret what she says and write what they think instead of Gaile just writing down the list of upcomming features herself? And im pretty sure she can change it to what was said so nothing confuse --Cursed Angel 17:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

A full exact log is presented when possible, but the summary is there for those who don't have time to read it all. Making summaries doesn't usually cause problems, but there's always a chance of a mistake, but that shouldn't prevent us from making them since they are very useful. And yes, Gaile is as free to edit the summaries as anyone else on the wiki. -- (gem / talk) 20:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Never forget, Gaile: Despite being someone special, you're also one of us. Merry Christmas :) --Snograt 22:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the good suggestions! And yes, Snograt, I'm totally "one of us" here. I just want to be respectful of how the community as a whole would like me to handle this rather-unusual situation, so that's why I asked. :) -- Gaile 22:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

dont know if you know ;)

I was reading a book earlier today and it had a city called 'Askelon', and a race called 'Drin' (like 'rin'). Just wondering if you guys got the names from the book "In the hall of The Dragon King" by Stephen Lawhead. And also, (tell izzy to nerf bloodspike more)(i saw xen of ownslaught running it and its so gay). Thanks. 24.141.45.72 22:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Ashkelon was a major city and home to the Philistines back in biblical times. Also located in the middle east is the "Ascent of Heres". If you look, you'll always find, whether its intentional, coincidental, or non-existant. -elviondale (tahlk) 05:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

'uncharted lands'

Sorry if im a bit late but what do you mean by 'It is currently unknown whether players will be able to visit "uncharted" lands' do you mean this in Guildwars 1 or 2? Best regards Richi2k7

I'm positive she refers to those zones of the world map that currently do not have maps, like the North of Shing Jea, Weast from Echoval, East from Kaineng, the black isles in the Norther area of the Tyrian map, etc... MithranArkanere 02:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Reporting Real World Traders

Hey Gaile I would like to ask you if you could recomend to whom ever is incharge of reporting and that kinda a stuff to add a new catagory called "Real-world trading" for when ever you get those pms telling you to go to www.(insert name here).com. Cuz its really not spaming since they may only give you 1 pm. And its not really boting, cuz unless theres a bot that pms people, i don't know if there is, someones gotta be finding people to pm. Apocalypsefu 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to agree, it's getting pretty bad going to The Great Temple of Balth and hearing ten pm blings before I even map in only to see a bunch of pms from gold sellers. RA is getting just as bad.--75.60.221.251 03:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It's unsolicited and commercial, that's a kind of spam. -- Gordon Ecker 05:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I report them all the time via the Support website. I'd like to clarify on whether should I add a screenie or does the IGN of the offender along with district and time suffice? Barinthus 09:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a kind of spam, but most people do not know that they have to use the Spam option for that. They should clarify it in the description. MithTalk 11:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Well isn't spam a constant flow of messages? Apocalypsefu 21:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

That and also as well unwanted and unsolicited messages. Such as those annoying emails some of us get re: certain enlargement products and what not. While techinically those are not a constant flow since they came from different sources, those are considered spam. Think junk mail. Barinthus 22:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

FIX GUILD WARS

Im not gonna lie gaile but I NEED HELP! WHENEVER I START UP GUILD WARS, THE GRAPHICS FAIL, the SCREEN FREEZES (not like literally like you cant move the mouse, but like the last image is there, you cant see whats going on right now.)

I LITERALLY DONT KNO WHAT TO DO! this is being stupid and i already missed an awesome event and i dont want to miss another!!! ;( ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '

Can you find out whats going on please??? TitanSacranus 00:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Gaile can't do anything, this is your problem on your computer. Get a new graphics card, or lower all the game settings as far as they can go. Calor 00:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I already tried downloading the Catalyst thing and everything i can do to repair the graphics card or whatever and it doesnt work. And i cant lower the game settings because i only got 1 second before the frame freezes =\ TitanSacranus 01:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Uninstall and reinstall if that dosnt work make sure your computer can handle GW Apocalypsefu 01:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

You could try the Support on the official website. They likely will want your computer's specs. Is this first time you tried running GW on that computer or you've ran the game on that computer before and it's only stopping working just now? Details, details, and take a breath :) Barinthus 02:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

*Breathes* ok. Maybe i should start at the beginning. After a crash on GW one evening, im guessing it was just some thing that just happened like one in a million. The next week, the screen's frame begins to freeze in place (put it this way. The last frame shown playing guild wars freezes, but you can tell you can move your mouse. Right-click to go to look around which removes the mouse and you can tell) so i started getting annoyed. This is when i tried to look on the wiki for help, and posting on my guild's yahoo for some info if this has happened. Someone in the guild replied saying that someone else in the guild has had this happen: uninstalling and reinstalling does nothing, updating graphics card does nothing, you have to reinstall windows. So far, i dont kno what to do: Reinstall windows, or get a new graphics card. I just tried to go online again after i updated my graphics card (Radeon x300), does not work =P. If there is any solution from you guys plz post it. I dont want to miss the 3rd year birthday of guild wars or any cool events =\. TitanSacranus 03:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I notice above that you installed Catalyst, two questions: Did you get the right version? Did you remember to uninstall your old version? If you installed the wrong version or neglected to unistall your old version, both can cause the problem you're having.--75.60.221.251 04:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm... good point. I know i got the right version, but i dont think i remember uninstalling the old version. maybe i should download another, uninstall the stuff i got then try it. Thx for pointing that out. Ill give ya a K the next time im in GW ^^ TitanSacranus 12:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. You're playing GW's on an X300? I hope you have all the in game graphics settings turned down to minimum. If it isn't, then try that as well. --Shaia 08:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

See today's game updates. Try now. Maybe it is fixed. MithTalk 12:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm... its so far working... =D!!!! Its working. But just in case, i put the graphics way down. THX GAILE! AND EVERYONE ELSE!!!! TitanSacranus 13:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

online store

Hi Gaile. Is it a possibility that one could purchase a Divine Aura key from the online store? Could the developers make that an available option? I know it only came with the Collectors edition of Prophecies, but the trouble is, that edition was never released in my part of the world. I think there would be many players that would be interested in having this ability on their cool characters, not to mention a revenue stream as well...--Shaia 07:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Much as I understand where you're coming from, it'll never happen. To add the perk of a CE to the store would devalue the CE itself. Why would I, or anyone else buy a CE down the road if the special perk is just going to be made available separately down the road, I may as well buy the normal version and then pick up the bonus later. All I can suggest is watch eBay, they do show up there on occasion, just be careful so as to not get an already used copy. Dargon 16:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

A few counters: (1) The CE for prophecies also contains an art book, a soundtrack, and a headset. The CE for Factions and NF also contain lots of goodies. So there's lots of reasons to get those aside from online perks. (2) We're talking about pricing a visual effect with no in-game advantage, who would be available for purchase 3 years after the game came out. I feel sorry for those who would feel cheated by this. (3) Lots of people paid to get the BMP early even though it was offered down the road (and still would have if they knew it would be). I for one plan on getting the CE for GW2 regardless. Plenty of people will pay extra for the CE perks, because it means that they get them for sure, and even if offered separately at a later time, they still get them before everybody else. -- Alaris 17:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

And we already had the Million Edition Update. I bought Nightfall collecter and I would never go for letting people get it again, but I don't mind people getting the /bonus items, the miniature or the dances. They should let people get the keys and soundtracks. Specially for those that were not here when the game was out. A new player may love GW even more than one player from 2005, so do not letting him get keys for some things just because he had no internet or no PC or he never knew about the game... I don't think that being fair. MithTalk 18:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I can understand where you're coming from regarding the value of the CE. However, it's been how long since the Prophecies CE was released? And bear in mind, as I said that the Prophecies CE was never - NEVER - released in my country. We all know about ANet's policy about 'buying' accounts on EBay as well.

Perhaps ANet could link these purchases based on the amount of time that one has played the game or may be make it available based on how much XP your character has accrued, since there currently is no other 'reward' in place for having a high amount of XP (PVE XP that is) - what is the point of having 30 million XP anyway? One only needs so many skill points as well. Besides, a divine aura key is not going to devalue a CE in any case. The line should be drawn on the CE Pets though - can see the Kunnavang price fall through the floor although how that would be a bad thing, I don't know. May be ANet could make the 'special' pets available as well, for all those 'zookeepers' out there that want to fill their HoM. Aside from Tournement wins, it's not like a lot of work went into getting the 'special' pets anyway.

So almost 3 years down the road, how your CE of Prophecies is going to be devalued by having the divine aura key made available as an option to those willing to pay for it, well I just don't see it.

The idea is a simple one I suppose, but can be one way to 'stimulate' a now dying GW's world by making some of these things available to the hardore, long standing (or should that be sitting) supporters of the game :) --Shaia 14:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Everything devalue. In the same way that having Sorrow's Furnace finished today it's not the same like the first time. Since the EULA says that no in-game stuff is owned by players, the only things they cannot sell again are the material contents of the CEs. But More Varesh or Kuunavang miniatures when the existing ones can be Dedicated or the Divine Aura or the dances... they are not something that hurt anyone. Lately you barely see them used. The 'top-notch' players that would disagree more with this are the ones that will probably move to GW2, after all. MithTalk 15:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not entirely true. On the one hand, those who possess these unique things have indeed something that others would have to pay dearly to acquire (try getting an unopened CE for Prophecies off EBay). Thus they have something that has a value because it is rare. And they can justly claim that decreasing its rarity would be devaluing it. But what follows is a matter of opinion entirely... do you (1) keep these items as rare as they are, or do you (2) introduce new copies of these items for more people to enjoy. It's the eternal struggle between the have's and have-not's.

With regards to the BMP, even though I had bought the game online for the purpose of getting the BMP, I voted for option #2, and I am glad that ANet did make the BMP available for purchase for a fee. I think that they should also do the same for the dance, the minis, and pre-order weapons. But that, I insist, is an opinion of mine. Opinions are not up for debate. -- Alaris 17:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Collectors Edition

"Gaile Gray and The Frog Talks Saturday February 9, 2008 The old Collector Editions most likely will never be available again." So now we are from "CEs will never ever be released again. 100% sure." down to "most likely"?

Collector's Editions are what they are, collector editions. Other products that have these editions also have a limited number. I think it's fair to the people who paid extra or were early to not publish these anymore. I remember seeing multiple CE's of GW:P going for $100+ BlazeRick 19:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

But what about in-game stuff? The 1 Million edition items and the BMP where released separately. They are not like special boxes or pins or things like that. And specially when it comes to miniatures, the last customized ones could have horrible big values that could encourage people to eBay CE editions to get ingame income. At least the in-game content keys could be available again once GW2 is released. MithTalk 19:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I caused confusion with that statement. To my knowledge they will never be released again. It is my belief that they never will. It is my opinion that they never should be released again, most specifically the special in-game elements, such as the Divine Aura or the Signature Dances. However, I am not now and never was in the position of having absolute decision-making powers on this matter. For that reason, I would prefer to say "most likely" rather than make an absolute statement, even if I believe that the statement could safely include the word "never." Thanks for letting me clarify. -- Gaile 17:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Games Convention (GC) no longer in Leipzig

Regarding Gaile's info some GW content might be shown on the Games Convention: The GC will be replaced by the GAMESCom in Cologne. The better infrastructure there was one of the reasons for the agency behind the Games Convention. It was promised to be even better, but well. The only thing that is for sure that there will be no Games Convention anymore, it will now be called "GAMESCom" and start in September instead of August. --Longasc 00:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Where can we get tickets, and when will it be? :) :) :) Now I can visit it too, not far from the Netherlands Death Sligher 12:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Longasc. I thank you for the information about GC. It was under the impression that GC would take place one more year in Leipzig, and then move to Cologne in September of 2009. So I appreciate the update on date and location very much. -- Gaile 02:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I hope i can take away the confusion. The webpage still speaks of 20th of August 2008 in Leipzig. Here is the webpage: http://www.gc-germany.com/. I think Gaile is right about 2009. The website of GamesCom speaks of 2009 themselves. Here the pressrelease: German trade association Bundesverband Interaktive Unterhaltungssoftware and Cologne's trade fair business Koelnmesse have announced that the Leipzig Games Convention will be replaced with a new industry event, called GamesCom, set to take place in Cologne, Germany in September of 2009. The new event was revealed at a joint press conference between Bundesverband Interaktive Unterhaltungssoftware and Koelnmesse, according to a German reporter from consumer website Eurogamer. During the conference, BIU head Olaf Wolters reportedly said that while Leipzig had done a great job, the organization aimed to internationalize the event further and support Cologne. The new location will reportedly offer 284,000 square feet of exhibition space, and some 80,000 hotel beds are available in the immediate area. German TV station RTL, whose base is nearby the Cologne event location, will support the event. The September timing is related to the holiday season in Southern Europe. (the webpage: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=93392) cu at leipzig Didis

Ah, that explains it, then! Thanks for the information, Didis. I think that Cologne will be a wonderful venture for the event. I was there as a child, and again in 2006, and I found it to be a fascinating city with wonderful history and a very cosmopolitan view. I may just have to get myself over there next September! :) -- Gaile 16:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Plastic Surgeon

Quote: "There are no plans for a barber or hairdresser in Guild Wars." Oh well =S 65.34.193.183 18:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Guild Wars One or Two? 68.204.198.205 06:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

One. It might still appear in GW2. -- Alaris 13:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Alaris is correct. When I said "Guild Wars" in this comment, I was speaking specifically of Guild Wars (GW, GWF, GWN, GW:EN, the first franchise) and not the generic game title that could be applied to Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guild Wars 3, etc. I always hesitate to say "Guild Wars 1" because there really is no such title. Hope that helps! -- Gaile 17:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Eeek, don't say GW3! -- Alaris 13:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, now, Alaris, you know I'm not making any announcements, I'm just speaking in very general terms. I didn't mean to startle you like that! :D -- Gaile 16:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Just my sense of humor. =D -- Alaris 17:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Rename

As Regina, the new CM, is planning to do regulary visits for social interaction, I think it's neccessary to rename this article. What about "Ingame talks"? It's neutral, so it can include old Gaile as well as Regina talks. Suggestions, opinions? BigBluetalk 08:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see ArenaNet talk:Portal poke | talk 08:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Regina talk(s)?

Anybody have any copies or recall any Regina talks? We haven't had any added here and I know she has done some, because I've seen a few screenshots bantered about. Just wondering cause it seems like she does have news for us that she shares, and it would be nice if we could get it documented... (Satanael 06:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

All I have seen is the talk where she says they are considering new weapons for the Valor monument. MithTalk 15:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Community manager

It would by awfully nice to hear from the CM more than just once every few months, otherwise we just think you just don't care. 69.247.22.37 03:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Worth keeping?

Is this page worth keeping? A.net does not appear to talk to us much anymore. --136.142.214.19 22:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it doesn't change the fact that they used to in the past. -- Gordon Ecker

Gaile was in Kamadan ad1 today. Not sure what it was about. Something about using spamming to report emote spammers, and not to report it as a bot. Kyle van der Meer 23:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

"Your account has been banned for repeatedly being excited about the April Content Update" -- BlackHoleSun 15:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)