Talk:Guide to earning Hall of Monuments rewards

This is just a copy paste job from my user made guide. Please discuss on what should and should not be included before we go about making heavy changes. --Moto Saxon 16:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

This is a pretty well put together guide, there are a few things that can be changed here or there, mostly to make it more formal, and also, I'm not sure what relevance some of the images might have. Aside from that, pretty much what Saxon said :D ~FarloTalk 17:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Include/Don't Include

Include:

• Fastest way to 30 points
• Fastest way to 50 points
• A list of what can be bought (if you have tons of money)
• A list of what can be farmed (if you have no money)
• How many points are possible from each individual campaign

--Moto Saxon 16:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

tapestries

my bad. you are correct, only 4 need to be earned. thanks for the correction tennessee. --Moto Saxon 18:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

It's confusing. (Or, at least, I always have to re-check...even though I remember having checked before.) Somehow, it feels that five monuments deserve five tapestries (I dunno, mebbe Ogden should provide one and Gwen should donate the second.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Great job with this article

I rly want to congratulate whoever wrote this article. It looks pretty impressive. I think I'm gonna start right now what says in there. Magnum 18:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

It was started by User:Saxon, and I agree, it is a very well written article and is really helpful in keeping track of what route to take for GWAMM and 50/50. ~FarloTalk 18:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

i don't have all campaigns

I just added the new section "I don't have all of the campaigns". There are probably many different ways this could be broken down. I tried to keep as simple and straight forward as possible, while still being detailed enough to be helpful. Any thoughts or suggestions is always appreciated. --Moto Saxon 05:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Just for some reference, here's the numbers I used editing this section, which I think are correct:

• Core: 35 pts (8 Devotion, 2 Fellowship, 14 Honor, 3 Resilience, 8 Valor)
• Core+EotN: 43 (8, 6, 15, 6, 8)
• Core+EotN+Prophecies: 43 (8, 6, 15, 6, 8)
• Core+EotN+Factions: 45 (8, 6, 16, 7, 8)
• Core+EotN+Nightfall: 46 (8, 7, 16, 7, 8)

I hope I did everything right, and I tried to make things look as clean as I could as well as consolidating the notes, but I'm sure someone else (5 bucks on TEF) will come by later today and do way better than me.

Also, I thought I'd see how the smaller images inline with the text looked, go ahead and change the images or revert if you don't like them. ~FarloTalk 09:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

nice work on the tidying. I was up till 2:30am working on it, so no doubt I missed some stuff. And the new pics look great. As I was drifting off to sleep I had a new idea that would completely change this section. I want to get some thoughts before wiping out our work. Right now we have listed the max potential of points and where they come from. It would be unrealistic and unlikely that anyone would work towards getting them all, as many pvp titles and expensive pvx titles would be involved. So instead, let's just state the max potential, and then list the easiest statues to attain that would add up to 30. I think it would be way more helpful than it currently is. Thoughts? --Moto Saxon 13:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I know the feeling, I was drifting off towards the end there as well (I'm on PST, I finished about 4am). I do like that idea, because yeah, all those PvP/PvX titles would take years to do compared to the PvE ones, but "easy" is a strange word :P. I have a couple ideas that we could try and see how they look.

First, we could completely wipe out the work we did last night and instead have: Core + EotN + (Prophecies/Factions/Nightfall) in 3 separate sections. Since EotN is required to even open your HoM and the "Core" by itself is irrelevant since you will have one of the 3 campaigns. With these sections, we could list the quickest/easiest to 30 and under that list what else there is in each as well as a maximum.

Second, so we aren't so heavily reliant on the Core and the maximum it gives, we could keep most of the work already done and re-word/re-work it to be in a list of "easiest to hardest" or something like that.

I began by liking the second idea first, but as I wrote I began to think the first would look a lot better, so I vote for something like that. If we were to do that one, we could simplify the page even more and incorporate the "I only want 30" section into it, showing the fastest way to 30 with each campaign alone and then with all of them available. ~FarloTalk 20:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

My idea was similar to your 1st one, but once I got working on it I realized that it is quite easy to get 30 points from the core areas + eotn. Not surprisingly, this list is pretty close to the "recommended 30 list" we already have on the guide. We may want to combine the two and just make some notes on additional options depending on what campaign is owned (ex: charming the imperial phoenix/black moa if you own factions.) --Moto Saxon 03:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. When I get a chance tonight, I'll see about re-working them, unless you have any ideas. (yay sandboxes?) ~FarloTalk 04:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Feature Nomination

Alright, so discussion is going on here to get this featured on the main page. A few issues I wanted to bring up to get this page solidified are:

1. Are the images under the section headings necessary or helpful to the article at all? Yes.
2. If they are to be kept, what images should be used? Any suggestions for better images are welcome. Updated.
3. As mentioned in the previous section, we need to solidify a format for that section of the page. I'll give it a crack later tonight as well.
4. Added: Are we going to link so heavily to PvX? Especially for PvP builds, as those can change fairly often.Removed the links throughout, link to PvX at the bottom.
5. Edit/Expand the intro paragraphs? Seems a little informal, even for a guide, and could be expanded for the front page. Added:Also, I think the headings fall under "informal" too.

There's our list to work on, I'll add and check off stuff as it's brought up or finished, so let's get it featured! ~FarloTalk 01:54, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

IMO, the current images do not help, however images could be added to be helpful or at least more relevant to the article. I'd suggest the following: Remove the travel-icon (unnecessary); change the mox image to an image from "Fellowship" (I'd suggest tapestry or generic pet statue); Replace the Hourglass Staff with an image from "Valor" (I'd suggest tapestry or the sole cropped weaponstand); replace the gwen image with something more generic (I'd suggest tapestry, or one of these two); remove the dhuum image (replace with an elite mission statue? FoW and UW are copped; File:"Honor".jpg also works); finally replace the obsidian armor image with something from "Resilience".

Currently, the images don't add anything to the article, and since the sections are about specific monuments, why not have the image relate to the monument rather than a random piece of what's added to said monument? An actual monument being on the page is far better than a random item/image that has some relation. If you have something explaining an aspect of the guide, like the top image, then that's even better. Konig/talk 03:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

About the builds - I rather wouldn't link to them, especially not repeatedly (some are repeated at least twice, particularly the elite mission ones). Builds change all the time so they'd need constant updating, best to just have a note at the bottom "For recent builds visit PvXwiki (url linked)" or some such. Konig/talk 06:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'll try to get a decent render/screenshot of the "tapestry", if not, I was thinking of rendering one of these for the one to display: File:Eternal Master of the North.jpg because it's the HoM, File:Eternal Hero of Tyria.jpg because it's cool looking, or File:Eternal Conqueror of the Domain of Anguish.jpg because it's one of the "hardest" areas to do, and Mallyx is a badass. Thoughts?

Also, where's Saxon in all of this, I feel like I've hi-jacked his page :( ~FarloTalk 07:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Added a couple notes. Where's TEF when you need him? ~FarloTalk 08:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys, sorry I have been absent lately...I'm a wedding photographer, and summer is literally my most busy time of the year. I'll try to hop on in a bit to help out with the tidy. Thanks Farlo for picking up my slack and being a big contributor on this :) --Moto Saxon 15:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I adjusted a couple of the headers, made the main pic a little larger and a few other small edits. A lot of the work had already been done by Farlo. --Moto Saxon 19:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Good to here Saxon! Take your time, it's not going anywhere (except the front page). I think that limited campaign section is pretty much done, might be touched up like everything else as we go though. ~FarloTalk 20:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

To be honest I think would be more appropriate than the FoW-statue next to the Honor monument part. The current pic just seems so out of place to me.--Mark, het Beest 17:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Number of weapons for Valor?

The article states 1-13 of each kind for the Valor monument, but as far as I know, there's only 11 different ones possible to display. At least that's what the HoM calculator states. Shouldn't it say 1-11 of each kind, with a total of 15?Zohane Trueaim 13:55, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Quite right. Since the bows all count the same, there are only 11 statues for each set. Fixed. - Tanetris 15:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

monster kill

Every time i see the m-m-m-m-monster kill it reminds me of counterstrike. Is that where they got the name for the achievement? I have not heard it anywhere else. What Im getting at is I think it should be either a trivia or note on the bottom. Anyone else agree? the_decline 10:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Then you must be young. It's a reference to Unreal Tournament, where it was the best short-killing streak back in '99 :P CS mods just copy-pasted it tazer 11:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Unreal Tournament is also what first came to my mind when i saw it, didn't the headshot also originate from it? I recall hearing it plenty whenever i sniped. Da Mystic Reaper 11:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Yup, headshot is also from UT. UT generally had awesome announcer comments. GODLIKE! tazer 15:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

this is the best thing ever

whoever made this is a genius. why hasn't anyone done this yet? so practical. ty --99.236.18.156 02:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! it was a group effort between myself and a few others. I honestly think that the guild wars community has one of the best wikis ever. --Moto Saxon 21:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to thank everyone that contributed to this guide (and to a lesser extent, the wonderful Guild Wars community as a whole). I've never really cared about the HoM enough and I vividly remember having a mere 9/50 points despite playing since 2007, but because of the effort put forward in this and several video guides on youtube, I decided I would finally bother getting to at least 30/50 (which I have now achieved). --92.6.238.47 23:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Not quite right

"Quick guide to 30 points with limited campaigns" is wrong, since it says that you can make those 30 with any campaign plus EotN. You can't get more than five points from 11 weapons if you own only Factions+EotN, and no more than six points if you own only Proph or NF + EotN. For 7 points out of 11 weapons you need Proph+EotN+NF. Otherwise with only a single campaign (that isn't Factions) and EotN you need 15 weapons for 7 points. razor39999 23:54, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

It's possible to get all the weapons regardless of campaign, since they can be purchased from other players without actually participating in the content that awards them.-- Pyron Sy 00:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

/facepalms self, doh I forgot about something as basic as that. :D Just shows how much I hate and avoid trading in this game. Spamadan ftl. razor39999 14:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Trading is an important part of the game, lol SuperRobertWa 16:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Lovely spoiler

In the pic. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.163.131.225 (talk) at 23:07, December 16, 2011 (UTC).

You mean it saying "Monster kill"? Doesn't seem like anything important. ~FarloTalk 23:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Wouldnt really class that as a spoiler, just a random out of game easter egg --Hazedesunna 10:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Its a play on the c.c.c.c...combo breaker meme.Yumiko ^,~ 22:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

No wai! ~FarloTalk 23:38, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd say it's more a reference to Unreal Tournament see here. Though that itself may be a reference to combo breaker. 87.115.20.196 23:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

It's a reference to Unreal Tournament (wich the famous headshot also originates from) and not the combo breaker of Killer Instinct (yes combo breaker originates from that game). Da Mystic Reaper 01:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Headgear note

The note about "headgear not required" for armour sets isn't exactly right. If you play warrior, for example, you can't display your armour set without the helm.Biggus05 18:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can. You never need a headgear in order to display the armor in the HoM. Konig/talk 18:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Quick Guide to 30 Points Error?

The part that says "6 points - 1 rare pet (which gives both that statue and the normal pet statue), M.O.X., and 7 more Heroes." Shouldn't that say "and 8 more Heroes?" When I plug in M.O.X., a rare pet, and 7 heroes into the GW2 HoM calculator, the progress for 10 companion statues stops at 9. It seems the rare pet does not count toward two statues for the purpose of that monument. Is this correct or is the calculator erroneous? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.25.42.90 (talk).

Both are correct. When you add the rare pet in the actual hall, your HoM Calculator increments twice: once for rare pet and once for generic pet. When you predict progress manually on the calculator, you have to enter each separately. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 07:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

To make a clarification: Adding a rare pet when no other pet is in the HoM adds two statues, but if you just click "rare pet" on the HoM calculator, it will only add the one statue. Hence TEF's statement of when predicting progress manually. Konig/talk 07:50, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

How about this: "3 points — Accounts linked." I just registered Guild Wars 2 / linked my accounts and did NOT get the 3 points. -Q

Massively article

Massively has just put up an article on filling up your HoM. It looks pretty good. -- Hong 08:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Something a bit more basic is needed: How to USE the HoM.

This is a great article, but it doesn't answer my most basic question: How do I actually use the HoM?

I don't mean what titles do I need or what heroes. I mean, how do I "fill up" the Honor monument when it only lets me put 5 statues up. How do I get the other couple dozen titles and achievements added, or at least recognized?

Same question for heroes, armor, etc. What specific steps need to be taken (assuming you have the prerequisites) in order to "turn on" those items in their monument?

Also, what are the limits? I would guess that a single character can only add X titles and other characters need to do the rest. But, I don't seem to be changing the numbers when I try that. There must be some kind of matrix specifying how many times each title can be used, etc.

Any help would be appreciated, but once it gets figured out, we should put something up on this (or a similar) page. Daddicus 05:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Some of the information is on the Hall of Monuments page. --Silver Edge 05:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure the HoM page explains the basic steps for dedication, but even if the monument is displaying the maximum it can, you can still add more statues into it using the same method as adding the first ones. As for the particular items/titles that go into the HoM, the page about that item/title has all the info about how to acquire it, and once you have it, just go the HoM and dedicate it to the monument it belongs to.

The only limit in the HoM is that each item/title is only counted once per account, no matter how many characters have that title. I believe one character can acquire everything needed in the HoM, assuming you're dedicated enough to that one character (and start with LDoA). If you want to see your actual progress towards the GW2 rewards in-game, talk the Historian dude and ask to see the Account view, that should match up with the website point-wise. If you're seeing discrepancies between the game and the website, note that it can take a bit of time to update (I usually see the changes within a couple of hours) and I've heard that logging out/exiting the game forces it to update sooner. I hope this answers all your questions, and if this info isn't elsewhere, perhaps it'd be worth adding to the HoM/Monument article. ~FarloTalk 06:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

At the expense of sounding like a total assjerk, the article is "Guide to earning Hall of Monuments rewards" not "Guide to using the Hall of Monuments" - as such, this article does not require, nor is it intended to, show how to use the HoM. In other words, this article works on the assumption people are looking at the article for aquiring rewards, not using the HoM - the latter being served by, as pointed out, Hall of Monuments, which is linked (and one must assume in writing these kinds of articles that the reader will already have the basic knowledge of what can and cannot be put in, and how to put it in - as such it can reduce the size into the more important parts of how best to utilize your resources, which again is the point of the article). Konig/talk 06:46, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Something about halfway between this page and Hall of Monuments is what I'm looking for. Let me give a specific example to explain:

My character on the account in question has 27 titles. I've added several of them, but I really have no idea which ones. I'm not even sure how MANY I've "used". I have four other titles on another toon that this guy doesn't have (a pre-searing guy with LDoA and the booze/food/party titles). But, I can't tell which ones have been added and which ones not. I did find a link on the main monument calculator page that shows a list, but it isn't clear who added them.

However, from two of the replies above, it seems to be that each title can be added only once each, regardless of how many toons have it. So, this part is a bit more clear.

Is that how it works for all five monuments? If so, then I'll read the other link more carefully, and maybe I'll have my answers. If not, I'll comment there (or here, as appropriate) again.

Thanks! Daddicus 01:38, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Take the character in question to your HoM and speak to the monument, click through it once and you should get a list of the statues that are currently displayed, those that are "added but not displayed", and then buttons to add any statues you haven't already. Just do this with all the monuments on all your characters and then you'll know you're up to date.

All five monuments follow the same rule, so yes, adding the same statue on multiple characters doesn't increase the point count any more than the first. I might be wrong, but once a statue is added to the HoM, you won't be offered to add the same statue again on any characters. ~FarloTalk 02:19, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

To be a little more direct: Add everything you can on every character you can. There is no limit on statues as long as you've earned it on that character (and have a tapestry up). If you have overlap between characters, they will only count once on the calculator and display once in account-wide view, but it doesn't prevent you from adding them. If it says you can add something to a monument, there is no reason not to (unless it's a mini you want to sell undedicated or weapon you want to sell uncustomized). - Tanetris 21:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) (If someone knows how to reset indents, please do so. Thanks!)

Thanks. I'll do it that way. One more related question: If you put up a legendary title, does it still pay to put up the underlying titles? (e.g. if I put up legendary vanquisher, is there a benefit to putting up Tyrian vanq. as well?)

To reset an indent, just take off the colons and add the {{Ri}} template to the begining of your post.

Yes, the "Legendary" title is a separate title, so you'll get another statue for adding it. As Tanetris said, there is no downside to adding a statue (except for weapons or minipets you plan to sell), so if you have the choice, why not? ~FarloTalk 19:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Daddicus 22:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Problem with the guide for limited campaigns

I'll be lazy and copy and paste "These recommended points are possible to achieve no matter which campaign you own but it then says "7 points — 11 weapons, including at least one destroyer, oppressor and tormented." If you only own Factions and Eye of the North then the last 2 are not possible to achieve so I think the guide needs work. 2.103.175.89 00:15, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Nope, just buy the weapons directly off players. Problem solved (expensive I know) File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 00:17, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

You can try giving (or compensating) the raw materials to a trusted gamer-friend (who does have access) to buy what you need. --Falconeye 00:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Farming

Where are the best places to farm the material for destroyer weapons? --Icyyy Blue 20:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

You can look on the pages for diamond, onyx gemstone, and Granite Slab for details. However, consider these sources:

• Dungeon farming: the end chests often yield onyx and diamonds and many dungeons can be run rapidly (either with a sin or with a custom party). If you bring Light of Deldrimor, hidden treasures on levels 2 and below also have a chance of dropping gems (among other rare materials).
• Granite can be farmed by killing golems in Oola's Lab (either during the quest or the dungeon); their runestones salvage into 6-8 slabs each. Some people like farming stone elementals in Old Ascalon.
• Geode farming (that actually produces sapphires and rubies, but those are easily converted into cash and useful for Vabbian armor).
• Farm anything, convert to cash, and buy at the rare material traders.

Good luck. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion for Quick Guide

I would like some help with the quick guide to getting 30 points. One of the suggestions is to get rank 3 in the Zaishen title. This requires 200 Zaishen keys. As of right now Z-keys have a market value of around 7k, similar to ectos. Destroyer and Oppressor weapons are both relatively cheap. To give some perspective, people sell War Supply stacks (one Oppressor weapon) for around 13 ectos (or around 12 Z-keys). Destroyer weapons are even cheaper than this, with the caveat that you cannot choose what weapon to craft. So let's do some math:

9 Oppressor weapons with Z-keys = 9 x 12 = 108 Z-keys

1 Destroyer weapon with Z-keys = 1 x 10 = 10 Z-keys

1 Tormented weapon with Z-keys = 1 x 32 = 32 Z-keys

So it would take around 150 Z-keys to make 11 weapons, and one of each type. If you put all of these weapons in the HoM, that would be 7 points, and 7/8 in the valor monument.

If, on the other hand, you use 200 Z-keys on the Zaishen chest, you get 3 points in the HoM (plus Z-chest drops which may or may not be worth good money)

If a person wants to quickly get 30 points in the Hall, it would be much faster to buy elite weapons with either ectos or Z-keys, than to use 200 Z-keys on the chest.

I'm interested to see what you all think about this. This is only my second time editing any article on any wiki, so sorry for any errors I make.--142.129.122.217 11:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I reckon your math would be better applied to the "Cheap" guide. (and if you were being supercheap, I'd say just run WiK on all your characters to get enough medals... no purchasing necessary). Math looks alright to me. -Chieftain Alex 12:29, 3 March 2013 (UTC)