Talk:Nicholas the Traveler/Archive 5

02 November

Anybody know where he is? 24.16.96.202 16:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Place hasn't changed yet... - J.P.Talk 16:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

He changed a full hour ago. Cracko 16:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

/facepalm. I just realised it too :S - J.P.Talk 16:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

He's found! ☆ Traveler: Mourning Veil Falls/ 5 Tempered Vial Glass per ☆ http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4925150&postcount=3474 --Find And Seek 17:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

And guess what? Tempered Glass has already sold out at Rare Mat venders :D Glad I bought mine fast. Karate Jesus 17:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Lawls. Buying was a waste of money. They craft cheaper from a [Materials] npc. 5 dust and 20 gold each. Magic Talk 17:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Ooh, good thing I saved my stacks of dust. 17:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.19.140.9 (talk).

I did that too. Got a stack of them. I just wanted to make sure and get them before dust was sold out too. Karate Jesus 17:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

since when did you need to buy dust? :P yay for an easy week :) 82.8.227.172 18:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah really, who buys dust from the trader. Very easy week indeed. Start salvaging all those demonic remains...if you dont already ;-) Justice 18:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I saved a stack of Demonic Remains incase he asks for them NEXT week ;) Magua 18:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

What hes collecting and his dialog fit so perfectly. Thats rare for him and in general the normal collectors. Justice 19:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Ye, almost like a poet wrote the dialog. Also, indeed very easy week this time, only needing half a stack of POGD... Timus - Talk 20:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Currently Durheim Archives is under Luxon control, so if one has more Kuzick faction than Luxon, just die outside and you'll be resurrected very close to Nick. Sardaukar 16:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it works. Markus Clouser 21:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

which has caused some to redo the explorable area to see him for their gifts

What? Can someone please rephrase this to make sense? I'm not sure what this is trying to say... Rose Of Kali 13:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I could rephrase it to make sense if I knew what it meant in the first place...What I draw from it is that due to Nick facing terrain, people rezone to go back him for their gifts? *confuzzled* ~Celestia 13:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

It comes from the old bug note that had nick facing rock walls and Anet would then move him or do other such... the bug of him facing the wrong way never caused him not to give gifts... it did cause players to hunt for him again after zoning... MrPaladin † talk 13:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

What? Why? Huh? O_o Rose Of Kali 14:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Hehe what I mean is I donno why that portion of the note is there either... I'm all for removing it and just leaving the note that sometimes Nick is facing an odd direction... MrPaladin † talk 14:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

My point, partly. ^_^ Currently that note doesn't make any sense with whatever it is trying to say. Are people going back for seconds because he's facing the wrong way? Or does he not give gifts because of it? Or what? So far Anet only changed him once from that rock in Vabbi, which didn't affect his collection for that week. And the Asura area reset blunder had nothing to do with him facing anything. Anyway, I'm gonna remove that part until someone can rephrase it into something that actually makes sense and is accurate. Rose Of Kali 14:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure what she meant was that new builds were offered to fix Nick's location and/or facing direction. -- FreedomBound 15:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Ariyen added it as a bug. I removed it because I disagreed with the fact that it is bug. >> User talk:Ariyen#bug So she removed the bug tag. de Kooning 15:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Facing the music about facing the walls etc

I think everyone agrees that Nick sometimes faces a wall or inanimate object of some sort. We haven't yet come to consensus on why this happens or how we should note this behavior in the article. Clearly, some of these about-faces were errors by ANet (since ANet changed his orientation in a subsequent build). Some peeps think that 1-2 of these situations was intended by ANet (e.g. when his monologue described the feature that he might have been looking at).

So, I propose that we simply note the fact that he doesn't always face the direction from which the party is likely to arrive; that is sufficient for the average player. On the talk page, we can continue speculating whether this is a bug, an anomaly, or intentional; we can expect a more definitive answer if/when Nicholas returns to a previous location/item-request.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. For example this week it is very likely he is facing the way of the river on purpose.--Wysth 17:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

This week he's talking about a waterfall, so it only makes sense for him to be facing one (which he is). There has only been one true error so far, where he was in the wrong spot to begin with, all others are people just being nit-picky. --Curse You(talk|contribs) 18:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Also, I don't see a problem with it being a note on the main page. -- riyen ♥ 18:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Here's the more neutral text I would propose: "The Traveler does not always face the direction from which the party is likely to arrive." This removes the implied speculation(s) and covers all his appearances to date.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

What about a simple "Sometimes, Nicholas is facing a wall."? poke | talk 19:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

What about a simple " " (that's a blank space). It was a bug, they fixed it, let's move on. We don't generally document fixed bugs, and I really don't think we need to in this case, since he moves every week anyway. -- FreedomBound 20:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Then explain why he faced an obstacle landscape, aka the hill, last week? It happened not only to me, but I saw a few in alliance complain. Had to redo it a couple of times. I don't think it's a bug, but just something that happens. I'm for Tennessee Ernie Ford's version that would help. -- riyen ♥ 20:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

NPCs don't have to be facing you when you approach to talk to them... Are you saying that he wouldn't talk to you because he was facing the hill? -- FreedomBound 20:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Unresponsive,had to restart? 72.148.31.114 21:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

He's a traveler, he's out looking at the scenery and etc. personn5 21:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

And he is some kind of scientist, so let him explore the walls and their structures! ^^ poke | talk 06:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

checking at my local airport and tourist attractions I do see that travelers don't always face me when I enter the area... they are often doing their own thing for whatever reason they desire... they still talk to me if I tap them on the sholder and offer them dead bits of creatures I kill... but then they usually run for some odd reason... MrPaladin † talk 13:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Fore-Knowledge

Running around in game this week i notice someone saying that destroyer cores are next weeks items. I see alot of this sorta thing happening. People claiming fore-knowledge of the next weeks items. Where do they attain this knowledge and is it viable? 76.20.33.106 07:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, were they right in the past? poke | talk 08:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

You will probably ear them saying that X items is next week traveler's item. Trying to artificialy raise the value of that item. And then you will ear their mule account saying WTS X items for xxxxGold. For now none but Anet knows what's next week item. M3G 08:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The only foreknowledge that I know being actual fact happened due to a glitch and someone saw nick in the crystal overlook one week prior to when he was ment to be there... asside from that its probably people running a scam to try to inflate the price of something otherwise rarly used and worthless... take a quick look at history and we see that nick rarly collects items that are mainstream... I doubt destroyer cores or sup charr carvings are going to be nick items. MrPaladin † talk 13:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Good point. Now that you mention it, I've thought about this before but never really put 2 and 2 together. But for some reason I found myself saving otherwise worthless items just in case... 70.189.106.136 02:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Quests that change spawns in area

Should we take this to a generic comment that "if you have active quests that change spawns in the area nick will not appear until you abandon or complete that quest and rezone"... every few weeks we find some quests that change the spawns and cause nick not to spawn only next week to remove the comment and find another... MrPaladin † talk 14:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Seems acurate and worthwhile. Rose Of Kali 14:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Definitly helpfull! M3G 15:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Added wording to try and help those who don't understand what an active quest is... reword it if its not clear enough... thanks MrPaladin † talk 15:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Found! 9th of Nov.

He is in the Maishang Hills (near Eredon Terrace) collecting Guardian Moss Browcio 16:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Searching... not showing up Neora 16:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

EDIT Confirmed maishang hills, east of eredon terrace can someone upload a picture? I don't know how. Collecting 1 Guardian Moss per gift Neora 16:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Taking screens now, has been confirmed. Aswed123123123 16:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Here are screenies - http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/aswedEMD/gw009.jpg and http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/aswedEMD/gw010.jpg Aswed123123123 16:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

If only we had saved our moss from all the tusk farming. MrPaladin † talk 16:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, it might be suggested to rename this topic to November 9th.... 9/11 has a much different meaning to americans... MrPaladin † talk 16:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? I mean, really? 9/11 is just the european way of saying 11/9. As an American I can assure you that not all of us have such a weak constutition that we can't even stomach *seeing* a 9 followed by two 1s.65.207.54.194

I agree w/ 65.207.54.194. It may be an important date but it's still just a date. Magic Talk 17:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

When in doubt always opt for clarity. Changed it. de Kooning 17:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to offend... it has a different meaning to "some" americans... I'm well aware of date formats working both in IT and being an Australian... Well now that that is fixed onto farming moss... will probably use the same farm as the tusks... I do rememebr getting mosses at a fair rate as I did that... MrPaladin † talk 18:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

So moss on 9/11? ... MABEY THE MOSS IS A BOMBER!! DONT COLLECT IT!!!(Joking :P...low drop rate though -.-)--Neil2250 20:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• insert eyeroll here* yer low droprate is always countered by only needing 5... MrPaladin † talk 20:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Drop rate is terrible. WHat on earth is going on?

It's not a nice one, is it? :( Although I guess last week's item was (relatively) simple so can't complain too much. Kevio 21:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It sucks as hell, been solo farming for over an hour and a half and only got 2 mosses...And if u see the prices the sellers ask you just want to get on farming again :P (because 5k is what you pay for a gift, not the collectible for a gift, in my point of view)... Timus - Talk 11:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

They gave us an item with a low drop-rate so we have something to do while we wait. Batchie 12:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

4 hours, and 0 drops. But I'll have to wait 25 hours till Steam downloads the data from my broken 2nd install disc of MW2 so... — Poki#3 (talk) 17:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Enjoy your game uh... damn, is it even a game anymore? -Auron 17:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Even worse, a console port. de Kooning 17:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't care about MP or moding at all, and I'm not paying twice the price for a console version that I can't play Spec-ops with my friends with, and that also has the same features at the PC version. (not going to continue discussing here since it's offtopic) — Poki#3 (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

First Time

This is actually the first time i give up farming and refuse to buy the items, nicholas wants. i have been solofarming for hours now and got only two drops. giving up now. first week i won't get gifts since nicholas appeared. things can only get better...i hope ;) ~ Dragon 19:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I say, keep doing it. If you won't at least you can get two gifts this time. Markus Clouser 21:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

nah guardian moss has a lower chance to drop than ectos i'm betting. easier to just farm ecto and sell them then buy the gifts --adrin 23:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I've had better luck this week in Hard mode (usually, trophies seem to drop more frequently in NM). Try just the 3 Guardians outside Boreas and don't bother with the Wallows unless the healers drop something valuable. Repeating that short run over 30 minutes a couple of times, I've always found at least 3 moss and as many as 7. Since I generally am unlucky with lockpicks, boss drops, and VQ drops, I suspect that other players will do better.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:13, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

november 15

fast easy way to get to him, leave town, dont pay luxons (if kurz) and die, u res 25 steps away from him with no enimys --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.19.17.183 (talk).

Lol nice, but it's only about 75 steps from the portal anyway. ^_^ Rose Of Kali 11:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

November 16

go go go! first one to find him gets a Jonny10 15:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

No searching from me, I g2g to work in an half an hour :( --Find And Seek 16:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

He's in Wajjun-Bazaar and searches for Plague Idols x3 Source Jonny10 16:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

last time i checkec the jade sea was nowhere near wajjun bazar its in the city area69.118.254.55 16:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed. If you register an account, you can edit semi-protected pages like that. -- FreedomBound 16:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Awww, fudge, just sold like 20 of em cuz of the leet skill farming, frikkin nick :P Timus - Talk 17:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Could someone confirm whether it's 2 or 3 idols? The research/main page and the article say different things. -- pling 17:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Fixed. (And thanks Arduin for fixing the plague idol page.) -- FreedomBound 17:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

NW corner where the monk boss would be.and it takes 3 idols per gift24.56.23.89 17:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thats fast this week btw--Wysth 18:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

"OUMAIGAD HE'Z BEEN IN FACSHUNS 4 2 LOONG!!!11" ....Wait for it....wait for it.... Markus Clouser 19:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Everyone gets a cookie! Jonny10 19:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay [1] Markus Clouser 20:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see anyone complaining when he was collecting rare materials :p Also, I like him in factions, because of the same tempered glass vial week, the ease of the item collection forced me to get from Eternal Grove to Morning Veils, which in essence nearly completed 25% of factions for me :D Yay for killing Shiro ! 203.217.17.192 22:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I do a contest in my alliance.

I have people guess where Nicholas is going to show up the next week. I offer them a 10k Prize if they get the Place and a 50k Bonus if they get the item.

Prophecies: Old Ascalon, Kryta, Maguuma Jungle, Northern Shiverpeaks, Southern Shiverpeaks, Desert, Ring of Fire Factions: Factions Island, Factions City, Echovald Forest, Jade Sea Nightfall: Istan, Kourna, Desolation, Vabbi Eotn: Norn, Vanguard, Asura RULES: 1. If there is not a winner the money will be carried over to the next week. 2. Please Number the posts. 3. And please include your primary In Game Name. 4. Duplicate answers are accepted, but prize will be split between winners.

I am looking for any suggestions on how to improve on this contest.

This is actually the place for discussing the content of the article, despite what all the above comments might indicate. You'd be better served asking a forum, or asking your guild itself. –Jette 08:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you sign in and post a link to either your talk page or a special Nick contest page in your user space, I would be happy to offer my two cents. (As Jette suggests, you are more likely to get advice on this type of thing in a GW forum; check the official webpages for a site in a galaxy nearby.)   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 10:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Can I do a submission even if it's not technically a "guess" ? >8) - [John Hargrove] talk 09:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Haha ... good one John. I have a much better idea though. You can tell me and then we can split the spoils afterwards. That way it wont be as obvious a cheat (and I will get a headstart in farming the stuff for my 5 accounts) - Fantastic job on the whole Nicholas business by the way. It has really breathed some fresh air into the game. Manassas 11:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I have a great idea to improve the quest. Learn the actual names of "Factions City" and "Factions Island"... Thankyou! 65.40.197.16 18:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Confirmation?

Is there any confirmation on the new location?

They have his dialogue listed. I'd say that's a pretty good confirmation. –Jette 16:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

hopefully this will put some life into infusion runs again :D Jonny10 16:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

30 November

Confirmation on GwG: Linky. oldskool griffin farm! yay?! Jonny10 16:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Not exactly, since they're Frozen. — Poki#3 (talk) 16:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

7th December

He's been found, Deldrimor Bowl asking for 3 Shiverpeak Manes per gift. I would gladly edit the page but I don't have a guru account and don't want one so I can't see the screenshot which im guessing contains the map and the dailogue. French777 17:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Again Shiverpeak Mountains? I guesse he will be in Eye of the north next week.--Wysth 18:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't give a fuck where he'll be next week (not saying: Who gives a fuck where he'll be next week cause of all the haters out there) --87.67.163.9 18:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

If you don't give a f*, then why are you here swearing on your IP? I give a f*, I own a spare Prophecies acct, so yay for me again. Rose Of Kali 18:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

^ Seconded. It would be pretty strange to just walk down the street, walk into a random shop with an advertisement and start talking about how you're not interested. Paddymew 18:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

O.o Anyone else think Nick's dialog is just a wee bit odd? Magic Talk 20:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

They haven't done Eye of the North in a while.. though this one's easy so I can't complain.. got my 15 walking over to Nick--SunJinyu 03:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

This week was an easy farm, clearing Deldrimor Bowl in NM would yield around 40+ manes. He could have easily asked for 5 manes per present and it would have been fine lol. 193.215.199.34 14:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

December 14th

Sacnoth Valley 2 stone grawl necklaces per gift source Jonny10 16:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

December 21st

Nicholas the Traveler is in The Undercity, collecting 3 Ancient Kappa Shells for 1 Gift of the Traveler. Confirmation? Sardaukar 18:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I went, he's there and really wants the 3 Ancient Kappa Shells per gift. Too lazy to take a screenshot and post it, though. Zahra 18:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed with a screenie Jonny10 18:22, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Guru link didn't work for me so here. Sardaukar 18:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Holy crap they're overcompensating for the easy earlier farms. Don't think many will get the full number this time. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.112.198.130 (talk).

You've got a week, and, as usual, this is entirely optional, especially with the festival stuff going on. -- FreedomBound 19:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

These I don't find half as bad as the ones last week, drop rate is ok, killing them isn't too bad, the only really annoying thing is reaching them. Helps to have Seeking Brother Tosai quest active and leaving from Wajun Bazaar, that way no fighting on the way to the Undercity and just 2-3 small Am Fah Groups on the way to the Kappa.--SunJinyu 21:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok,I'm not really complaining but seeing how hard to farm these is, I spent a considerable part of my day thinking up concise ways to express just how frustratingly hard it can really get. So, here we go in order of succcess (imo):

1) I just barely managed to get 15 of these after 3 straight hours of farming and 25 runs (roughly one per run sometimes none at all).

2) At one point, my despair was so great I went around in neighboring outposts offering to trade 50 putrid cysts for 1 Ancient Kappa Shell (which is probably the analogy of the amount of said items you'll end up with).

3) And finally if all this is not enough for you consider the following:

Gwen and Pyre have a greater chance of making out, having children and raising them according to the tennets of the Mursaat/Titans religion than you getting an Ancient Kappa Shell in the Undercity this week!

Suffice it to say that I made 10k just from selling all the random ~30g clutter I got on all the runs...Seasons Greetings to all of you :D Nefeli of Mirrors 18:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

10k isn't too shabby. I'm going start farming tonight and I haven't been in the UC in a while, but I wouldn't think it would be all that bad. No hex or enchantment removal, no self heals, no interrupts, do all cold damage, and iirc there are plenty of them. Then find the quickest way to get to them and I figure a decent solo build should net a good amount of shells per run unless the drop rate sucks or just get unlucky. — Gares 18:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Gwen and Pyre would've been a great romance. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

fanfictionfanfictionfanfictionfanfiction Paddymew 23:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

What sucked about this wasn't the Kappa or the drop rate, but the getting there part. You have to run through a hoard of afflicted with a boss to get to the Kappa, then after you kill a couple dozen Kappa and watch the rest die while fighting random afflicted and Am Fah before you reach them (thus no drop for you), there is no convenient rezone portal, so you have to map back to town and run all the way there again, and again, and again... <_< This was one of the more boring/annoying/time consuming Nick farms so far. Mursaat Tokens was another bad one. Rose Of Kali 23:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

If you have the Seek out Brother Tosai quest the you can head south-west out of The Marketplace into Wajjun Bazaar to the entrance of The Undercity there, you don't have to fight anyone on the way to The Undercity. Then once inside head south and then east past Chung, the Attuned and down a slope and head north, you can get to the Kappa groups, only having to face one group Am Fah. Also, to easily rezone, just suicide into a nearby group of afflicted and you should ressurect at the southwest shrine where you came in, and then you can just rezone there and repeat the journey to the Kappa. Tidas 00:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

And if I don't? That's quite a run, regardless. I was zoning in from the nearest outpost (Vizunah local). Rose Of Kali 00:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Why dont you try from Nahpui Quarter? No figths at all Anna81 08:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Do following:

(1) Take a full human party(6 or 8) and start at Vizunah Square (Local), fight through afflicted and you are at location. Wipe them, Kappa! Repeat till you get 15 items or blue in face. (600 not working here)

(2) Take a 600/smiter, {you can take just party, but it takes longer, take (1)} (can take guildies/friends as leechers as filler for rest of party) and fight from Nahpui Quarter through Am Fah and enter UC. In there, you take right and then proceed to location. Few Am Fah to fight on the way there. After you finished, return to Wajjun Bazaar portal from UC and then re-enter back to UC without fighting Am Fah in Wajjun Bazaar. Repeat all route to location. Repeat. Jagtiger 16:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

It works just fine with a 3-hero Discord team from local Vizunah. 4-man party means more drops for you (you don't care if the other 3 are heroes or people, you still don't get their share). Took me about 2 hours to get the 15 shells. Rose Of Kali 18:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

However with other people, if they get any extras you might be able to buy them from them. personn5 18:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

If you have trouble killing the mobs prior to the Kappa, you can bring a full team of heroes and henchmen, and just flag all of them or just the henchmen a compass range away when you get to the Kappa so they don't get any of the drops. --Silver Edge 06:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Just go as shockwave/sliver ele, the Am Fah are a joke just avoid that necro boss once you get in undercity (if you enter from marketplace side as I do). Got all 15 in 4 runs doing it solo, quick and easy. Not to mention a few celestial drops from my kappa friends. Nay the One and Only 07:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)