Talk:Zaishen Vanquish

Dear Anet

Please. Have my firstborn. <3 71.127.10.226 01:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

An excuse to VQ? Wicked. ®emi¢k§ 02:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I hope that vqs taking place in eotn/elona/cantha also award the respective reputation/faction points... Idmz 13:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I hope this will give more coins than 150 for harder vanq... even if Jaya Bluff is really easy, it's a lot faster to get 100 cc by doing augury rocks! I think the reward might need to be increased. Lady Minuit 15:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Vabbi is also 150 cc. - Infinite - talk 16:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I would expect the reward scaling to be based more on how many enemies are in the area, rather than the difficulty of the area. 66.61.119.166 18:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Be rewarded to VQ in addition to what we already get? win! BeeD 18:59, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

As BeeD said, you're already rewarded for doing a vanquish - that's why the quest rewards are not much higher than other zquests. They were scaled with both rewards in mind. -- Konig/talk 19:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Still a waste of time if you don't need the vanq, there are better way to spend your time. If there was more coins in it, it would have been worth the work maybe. But this is just my opinion, no one have to agree except anet haha. Lady Minuit 20:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

They were implemented with the purpose of focusing those who need to/want to vanquish. So this, unlike non-elite/dungeon bounties, were designed with the purpose of being extras - akin to the missions, combat, and the dungeon/elite bounties. -- Konig/talk 20:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually now that I think about it, they could put in an area that normally wouldn't count towards a vanquish title but could count for this bounty, such as Realm of Torment areas, and those could have much higher turn-in rewards. 66.61.119.166 22:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Trust me, I did argue to get RoT areas for a zvanquish quest. I don't think they got added though. :( -- Konig/talk 23:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Walkthroughs

Are we going to write walkthroughs for vanquishing each area, or direct people to the explorable area page, or just give some tips about what to expect? Manifold 16:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

VQs shouldn't have walkthroughs; there are just too many ways to skin that cat. The explorable area articles already cover the things that people need to know about: pop-ups, spawn-impacting quests, difficult sections, ...  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. We don't re-write the whole mission walkthroughs on the Zaishen Mission quest pages and we shouldn't do that here either. I think we should do away with the section because we already link to the zone at the top of the article and saying "Kill all foes in X." is just a bit too obvious to put in every article. --Valshia 19:09, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

There's a billion ways to do vanquishes, all resort to "set up your favored build, go in, kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill, search for last 2 groups for an hour." A walkthrough will be of no help, unlike with bounties, normal quests, or missions and dungeons. -- Konig/talk 19:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, but konig if you have to search for two hours for the last group your doing it wrong (i would link to ED here but i'll refrain from it) --RhoninSoren 21:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I was exaggerating. -- Konig/talk 22:13, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Location

Why is this quest given in embark and not in GToB ? Wouldn't it be better is all 4 zquests would be both in Great Temple of Balthazar AND Embark Beach ? Respectfully Magnum 07:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Not all 4 for Embark since PvP characters (apparently) can't go there (so I've heard). Dunno why it wasn't added to GToB, but it doesn't matter much, tbh. -- Konig/talk 07:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but in GToB there are 2 zquests only for PvE, so I don't think it would be that bad. Magnum 07:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

It does matters if ANet expects people to use EB for one of its intended purposes (LFG), then it would make sense to move all the PvE Zaishen posters there. As of yesterday, there were very few people using party search in EB. (Yeah, I expect that trade will take a long time to move, perhaps never; the point is that it continues to be easier to find groups in the ZB/ZM local outposts.) Personally, I find it frustrating that I have to go to two places now (whereas before, I only needed to visit one).

Mind you, the update is fantastic: this minor complaint is one of the few blemishes; I would be happy to have to visit three outposts to see another set of dailies offered.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Eh? Two places? Why's this? Go to Embark to get the three PvE quests (the 2 are over there afterall) and then if you can't get a group in Embark, move to the proper place - just as before, except now you can skip port towns. So prior you had to go to 3 places, now it's 2. Unless you also do combats daily... -- Konig/talk 20:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

1. PvE quests are in EB; the combat is in another; that's two locations. It seems arbitrary that ZM/ZB are in two locations but ZVQ is in only one. I don't understand why EB/GToB offer different choices; I would have understood if ANet split EB into the PvE destination and GToB into the PvP one.
2. My second point is that people aren't using EB (at least not yet). That makes it harder for people who want to offer help to whomever and for people who want help with a task that isn't part of the daily activities. I thought EB was supposed to become the proper place. I was looking forward to one-stop shopping.

 — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

EB is for PvE'ers. It doesn't need Combat. GToB should, imo, be for PvP'ers, and imo shouldn't need missions or bounties anymore - but it's less work to leave them there since they don't harm anything. So unless you're doing both PvE and PvP quests you only need to go to Embark Beach. I was never arguing the "do people use or not use EB" - though I saw 9 districts yesterday, so I wouldn't be so sure. I suppose people would use EB for everything but the zaishen quests, since those are still popular enough that it won't be hard to get a group when in the outpost meant for it. -- Konig/talk 21:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Time

Does it change at the same time as the other Zquests? I don't see that documented anywhere. Please point me towards it if you know where it is.--War_Pig5 16:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it changes at 16:00 UTC. Dunno if it's documented anywhere, but I've taken the quests every day now and a new quest always comes up at 4pm. --weby [TALK] @ 16:31, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

You must have the wrong time zone or something. 4pm UTC would be 10am where I am, and I'm sitting here at 10:30am with no new ZV to do. Can anyone please confirm the times and then post them on the main page? --Lustre Of Havoc 話 15:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Your post is time-stamped at 15:32 UTC, which was 10:30 AM your time. So, expect the quests to change for you at 11 am your local time. That would place you in: Winnipeg/Houston/Lima (Peru)/Chicago time zones. Keep in mind that UTC is not the same as London time (which is GMT winter and BST in summer).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Which timezone is UTC then? I looked up UTC and it said UTC was just a broader term for the GMT time. --Lustre Of Havoc 話 18:36, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

UTC and GMT. UTC is the same for the entire universe (there's an official clock that sets the standard). GMT is the time in London and varies with daylight savings just like any other politically created timezone. They are often confused b/c, until recently, they were the same for most of the year (now, they are the same for about half the year) and because GMT used to be the standard. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:52, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

GMT is GMT; it doesn't vary over the course of a year. During the summer, the UK is on BST, but GMT remains the same. GMT and UTC can differ by fractions of a second, but for most of our purposes, they're the same, all year 'round. 82.152.101.82 08:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Repeatable?

Are they? 76.164.119.146 21:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. :( 72.70.225.18 02:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

If they follow the same pattern as the other PvE Zaishen quests, you can repeat them every 20 weeks or so.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, how many possible areas are there, 137? --RhoninSoren 14:12, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

they are repeatable - you get 10k xp for the first time and 15k xp for the second time in the reward - I am not sure after that because only done them once --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.103.44 (talk • contribs) at 17:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC).

Dialogues

I don't know if it's intended, but the dialogue is the same whether you're asking about a quest or you already have the maximum number of quests: Ondriam 11:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

It's probably intentional as the dialogue makes sense either way.–alistic 03:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Event Modifiers

Will rep bonus weekend events double the points for turning these in? Has it been stated either way for certain?

You shouldn't expect anything different; it's just another quest that awards reputation and, typically, the 2x point modifiers do not extend to quests. However, the Kurz/Lux bonuses (assuming they will be available) work differently: you get double points to your title track by spending faction, so, indirectly, you would get double reputation (but, again, that's not any different from how other quests work with bonus weekends).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the response, and agreed. Still probably better to try and do some of these during events so as to maximixe the reward for the effort, where it is practical anyway. 208.65.82.183 16:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure double SS/LB/EotN title rank points weekends affect zaishen quests as well.90.192.224.55 04:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the 2x point modifiers do extend to quests, book rewards are about the only thing that doesn't get doubled. 88.139.244.223 06:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

That's correct based on my personal experience and it's also noted at Zaishen Challenge Quest#Notes. --Silver Edge 07:34, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Book rewards actually get doubled, but their base rewards (shown in the reward dialogue) are halved during the weekend. That's the ArenaNet-way of programming. --numma_cway 17:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

What's the practical result? Do people end up earning twice as much faction or reputation as during the rest of the year? I think that's more important for the article than detailing the mechanics (which we can do here).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I had an old Norrhart Domains ZV saved up, did it yesterday. The faction rewards was listed as 3500, but I got 7000 (because of the weekend). So yeah, the weekend affects it. calor (talk) 18:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Walkthrough's

so my thought is just add the min and max foes along with any notes that this table has on the quest pages. thoughts?- Zesbeer 04:55, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Reasonable, but I wouldn't call it a walkthrough. A mere note would be sufficient. -- Konig/talk 04:56, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Can we make this happen?--Menelmacar 17:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Not able to take 3rd quest

Just went with 3 ZV to the beach to get one quest reward and pick up the new one afterwards. This normally works with the other signposts at the temple but not here. After getting the reward for one ZV and having only 2 active quests left I still got the same message and no new quest from the signpost. Rezoning allowed me to pick it up though. Anybody encountering the same? [[80.137.32.73 22:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)]]

Yes, happens the same to me and everyone I know of. Idmz 17:35, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Feedback:Bug reports/Miscellaneous bugs#Zaishen Vanquish - Cannot Accept Another. --Silver Edge 05:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

rewards

shouldnt the quest areas that are only capable of less heroes or henchmen (such as ascalon) offer higher rewards as the areas are much more harder to complete than an area with say 8 people?

I don't know about should, but the ZVQ rewards scale with the basic reward for VQing. Roughly, doing a ZVQ nets you about 3-5x as much cash equivalent as doing the VQ without the quest. (Cash equivalent assumes you convert all zoins into zkeys and sell for about 6k each; your mileage might vary, but the scaling will not.) There are very, very few outliers (today's ZVQ is one of them, at 6x instead).

Maybe ANet should have normalized the rewards so that every ZVQ was worth about the same amount of cash/XP, but they chose not to. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:34, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Unknown

I've done my best to find this quest called "Unknown" and I still haven't found it. Removing. --71.236.62.138 16:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

This list predicts the upcoming VQs. Unknown is used to demonstrate that we aren't able to predict the specific VQs in advance (at least, not for another 5-6 weeks). — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Suggest alternative User Interface

I think it would be much more useful and enjoyable for Anet to change the user interface for the zaishen quests to allow the player to pick from a list of quests, rather than waiting FOREVER for a needed quest to appear. Still maintain the queued limit of 3 quests per zq category. For example, I just want all of the zv to appear in a drop-down pick list or a pop-up requestor. Click on the one you want and click OK. This should apply to all zaishen quests, not just zaishen vanquish. zv would benefit the most, because many folks want to vanquish more than one area per day. Also, I think there is little problem with allowing players to repeat the same zq multiple times per day, but anet could impose a quota limit per day per zq.66.47.27.36 19:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

First, although I'm too lazy, this belongs in the Feedback/Suggestion section if you want to "officially" submit it. But anyways, I think this would be a nice idea, but unless you couldn't redo one until you did them all, it'd become a sort of farm. Also would be the question of how many you could get per day vs. how many you could turn in per day. ~FarloTalk 20:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Last one?

Since we now know all but 1 of the ZVs, can't we tell what the last one is? I'm too lazy to wait till tomorrow.

It's gonna be Grenth's Footprint. --weby [TALK] @ 16:55, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

And, for Weby's sake, let's hope that the cycle re-starts from the beginning. (More graciously: a big shout out to Weby for doing such a bang-up job of creating, linking, organizing the ZVQ articles...and always within minutes...or sometimes seconds... after it was first offered.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Uhoh, it changed. Can we expect it to maintain the previous pattern or is this gonna start all over again? 87.195.101.155 16:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

It's Jaya Bluffs, exactly as predicted. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

My bad, I could have sworn it was different... now I'll have to catch up after vacation... oh well :)

Now able to take a third quest

I think the bug about taking a third quest is fixed. I just went to the signpost with three zaishen vanquish quests in my log, couldn't get another, turned one in, went back to the signpost and got another quest all without rezoning. If others can verify, the page should be updated. Redhame 19:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I think they fixed it here[1], actually

Redhame 06:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, nobody else is interested, it seems. I have re-verified. This time I took screenies in case anybody needs more proof. I'm going to take the bug notice off the page now.

Redhame 02:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

No reward for vanquish

I had the Zaishen Vanquish Sunward Marches quest active on my Log panel; vanquished the Marches, got the standard vanquish reward and gold helmet, but when I went back to Zenchu, he did not have the vanquish listed and gave no Zaishen reward, anybody else have this happen or know why? Pyx amber 07:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC) 07:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)~

• Just a wild guess, but did you have the quest in your queue for more than one Z-vanquish cycle? Legionaireb 18:06, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Good guess, I thought of that as a possibility. However I have held very few zaishen vanquishes in queue because I they are so time consuming I try to either do them immediately or delete them. If no one else has seen this happen, I'll have to think that I somehow had this in my list for (four-five!) months without realizing it. It is still in my queue now after the vanquish, so maybe I'll do it one more time and report back. Thanks.Pyx amber 18:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Bug description

One of my characters isn't able to take the quest today (Bukdek Byway). The bug does not appear to happen the way that is noted on the page. Either it is a different bug altogether, or I can offer some additional info to help sort it out.

• Until a few days ago, each character had Bukdek Byway in their log. I logged in to each character, did the vanquish, then returned to GTOB to turn it in, then switched to the next character, and so on. (Note that Vanquish is given in Embark.)
• Today, all but one character were able to take the quest again. This refutes the current explanation for the bug as none of them zoned after turning in the quest.
• I have noticed another oddity that I have yet to see anyone else report. When you hold a quest long enough for the next day that it is offered, complete/return it, and then wait till a certain time (haven't pinned it down, but I would guess midnight PST), you can actually take the quest again on the same rotation. This suggests that the rotation and reset logic is not straightforward. Perhaps it does something like check if you turned in the quest "today" where "today" is miscalibrated to a clock time rather than the Zaishen rotation. This would not explain my current situation, however.
• Or I wonder if perhaps, if you take the quest after the threshold time, that it actually counts against the next rotation. In this case, for example, I might have taken Bukdek Byway the last time, after midnight, and because of that, when I turned it in a few days ago, it actually counted against the current rotation.

Anyway, this would be easiest to test using the Zaishen Combat quests since they have a much shorter rotation. That also happens to be where I noticed the bug initially with the reset after midnight. I'll give it a shot myself but would appreciate it if others could try it and post findings. 65.87.26.122 06:19, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"Today, all but one character were able to take the quest again. This refutes the current explanation for the bug as none of them zoned after turning in the quest." "Zoning" most likely also includes logging-out after accepting the Zaishen Vanquish reward and, at some point before that same Zaishen Vanquish is offered again, logging-in to that character again. You probably didn't log-in to that one character (that cannot get the Zaishen Vanquish) since getting the reward for the Bukdek Byway Zquest, but you did for the other characters (hence they zoned before the Bukdek Byway Zquest was offered again), even if you log-in to those characters and didn't change districts or leave Embark Beach (edit: I meant "GTOB"). "Anyway, this would be easiest to test using the Zaishen Combat quests since they have a much shorter rotation." Zaishen Combats are repeatable (i.e. you can turn it in for the reward and receive the same quest on the same day if it is being offered), so I don't think you can use them to test your theory (unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to test). Zaishen Combats have their own anomaly, see Talk:Zaishen Combat#No longer need to change zones?. --Silver Edge 07:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

""Zoning" most likely also includes logging-out after accepting the Zaishen Vanquish reward and, at some point before that same Zaishen Vanquish is offered again, logging-in to that character again." That is a workable theory, but also counter to the current bug note. Should it then read: If a character has not logged in or changed zones since accepting the reward for a previous undertaking of the current quest, the character will not be given the opportunity to take the quest again during the current rotation. Ah, you make a good point about the Zaishen Combats, I did not realize they were repeatable. 65.87.26.122 12:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

1. For your characters that could receive the Bukdek Byway quest, did you log-in (but didn't leave Great Temple of Balthazar) on all those characters at some point after accepting the Bukdek Byway quest reward and before the Bukdek Byway quest was offered again?
2. And for your character that couldn't receive the Bukdek Byway quest, the first time when you logged-in on that character after accepting the Bukdek Byway quest reward, was it also the Bukdek Byway quest day at that time?

If it's yes to both of those questions, then go ahead and clarify the bug note.

Which territory do you play in? Cause another theory I could think of is that if you play in a territory that isn't America (which usually have at least two Great Temple of Balthazar districts), if that one character of yours that cannot receive the Bukdek Byway quest logs out in GToB Japan district 1 (for example) after accepting the Bukdek Byway quest reward and that character logs in for the "first time" (since accepting the Bukdek Byway quest reward) at some point before the Bukdek Byway quest was offered again, the game automatically places your character in the same Japan district 1 that your character was in before (since there is usually only one GToB Japan district), then that might not be considered "zoning" or changing districts for when that character logs in the "second time" (since accepting the Bukdek Byway quest reward) on the Bukdek Byway quest day and cannot receive the quest. If playing in the America territory, it's less likely for your character to be placed in the same GToB district when logging back in than in other territories (since America territory usually have multiple GToB districts), but it's still a possible. --Silver Edge 20:47, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I tested it with the Shadow's Passage quest since I still had that on several of my characters when it was about to be available from the Zaishen Vanquish signpost again. I went and completed the quest on six different characters on the same account. I accepted the quest reward on all six characters when the Rhea's Crater (27 September 2012) quest was available. The following is what I did with each character after accepting the quest reward from Zehnchu in Great Temple of Balthazar and before logging off that character; listed in chronological order.

1. My Necromancer was in the America district of Great Temple of Balthazar when he turned in the quest. I changed to the international district of Great Temple of Balthazar and then logged off that character. Note that the rest of my characters would remain in the international territory when they turned in the quest (and later when they went to receive the Shadow's Passage quest).
2. My Elementalist didn't change districts nor zoned.
3. My Warrior went into Isle of the Nameless.
4. My Mesmer logged out and logged back into Great Temple of Balthazar (and logged out again).
5. My Monk went to my guild hall.
6. My Ranger went to Embark Beach and didn't accept another Zaishen Vanquish quest.

After logging off each character, I didn't log back on to that character (with the exception of my Mesmer as noted above). I also didn't log back into this account after accepting the quest reward on all of these characters. Today, I went to receive the Shadow's Passage (29 September 2012) Zaishen Vanquish quest on these characters. I was able to receive the quest on all of my characters except my Elementalist, which (as noted above) didn't change districts, didn't go into Isle of the Nameless, and didn't map travel to another outpost/town. So a Zaishen Vanquish quest (this most likely also applies to Zaishen Mission and Bounty quests) won't be available to a character the next time it is offered again if after accepting the quest reward your character doesn't change districts nor zones and you don't log into that character at least once after that character accepted the quest reward and before that same quest is available again. I'll change the bug notes to express this. --Silver Edge 06:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)