Talk:Zen Daijun (explorable area)

Bug...?

When i enter this area in HM, to vanquish it, it says I have killed every foe in the area. But the problem, is that it doesn't say I've vanquished the area, I can give anybody a picture if its needed... Anybody know why?--139.164.151.98 13:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

• It just so happened i had to kill about ONE animal, I killed a pet(bird) which you can make hostile to gain this area...--139.164.151.98 14:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

• Just to clarify, you will actually need to make one of the many animals in this area hostile first (red bar) before killing it to get credit for the 1 foe vanq. One way is to attempt to charm it with Charm Animal which innately causes it to become hostile...but there are several other ways to do so. You will NOT get the 1 kill vanq credit if you kill an animal while he's still friendly (green bar). --Dar Drakor 01:34, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Vanquish 'exploit'

I do not think the terminology 'exploit' is appropriate as I believe I read an article by Gaile Gray on Guild Wars Guru that it was intentional that Canthan characters would not have to clear the area in order to vanquish it.

I cannot find the specific link because of the infamous suckage of the search engine, but of the threads I did find, it was stated this was because Canthans had cleared the purple haze previously during a quest. Just my 2 cents. Alex Morningstar 09:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Cartographer

Any % toward Cartographer known? – josəph 10:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Miasma

I removed the note about being led by a factions character who has completed unwelcome guest to remove the miasma because I did not encounter any miasma at all in the entire area while H&Hing with my dervish, (who last I checked wasn't Canthan). Kelvin Greyheart 18:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Afflicted Ritualists

Even though wiki says that HM Afflicted Ritualists everywhere have Flesh of My Flesh, while vanquishing Zen Daijun the only skills i ever saw them use was Spirit Transfer, Recuperation, Mend Body and Soul, and Weapon of Quickening. I ended up trying to kill them last, and wait for a res, but they never did. They are a much lower threat to your team here, than in most areas. Sloh Em Oshun 17:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

One-kill exploit failed when soloing

I tried to vq with just my Sin, but the one enemy trick didn't work. I then entered with a full party of heroes, ran around for a minute and then killed a pet - bingo. My Sin is a high-end char who had vq this before, maybe that mattered. (IIRC I had to actually fight a lot of foes here back then). --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:ButeoRegalis (talk).

Exploit or intended by developers?

→ moved from User talk:Tennessee Ernie Ford#Zen Daijun (Explorable)

Hi there - I recall someone mentioning once that a developer said it was intentional that canthan characters should not have to vanquish this area since they had previously purged the afflicted from it anyway. I feel that it is not an exploit since it is merely the killcount being increased by one, how else can this note be phrased? (I beleive that exploit makes it sound like it was unintended or forbidden, which it is not.) --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 17:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with Alex. From a lore/storyline point of view, you've helped Zunraa clear the area in An Unwelcome Guest, so it stands to reason that there wouldn't be any afflicted afterwards. The REAL anomaly (or anomalies) are that non-Factions characters can't do this as well, and that the afflicted aren't replaced with other monsters to kill, like in most other explorables whose spawns are altered by quests. The latter at least can be explained by Zunraa's role being something akin to a guardian spirit, and this area is supposed to be a haven of sorts. Thus having monsters that want to kill you would be odd, after you've supposedly cleared it of evil. -- Hong 18:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmmn. Obviously, if we can find ANet staff stating/implying this, then I would have to admit to being 100% incorrect.

However, I have a lot of trouble reconciling this with the Tier 2 ZVQ reward offered for Zen Daijun; if ANet expected that this area should be VQable in a single kill, why did they offer 150 zoins instead of only 50? (I don't think it's that odd that non-Canthans cannot take advantage: it's generally true that rewards, esp. in newbie areas, are better for the natives. Plus: only Factions toons can complete AUG, so, lore-wise, non-Canthans haven't cleansed the area at all.) Also, I don't believe that clearing an area of evil means that there are no foes at all; it could just mean that the afflicted are gone and we are left with the standard enemies. In particular, afflicted are removed from Haiju (but not other foes).

So, what does that mean in terms of how we describe this in the article? Regardless of the reasoning, if most of the community thinks this doesn't count as an exploit, we shouldn't list it as such. Chieftain Alex and Hong do count (leaving aside their own modesty) as important voices in the community, so... unless there's a sudden swelling of support for labeling it as an exploit. I'm inclined (for now) to rephrase. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:35, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

"That does not sound like something we would intend. Whether it's worth the time and effort to amend is another subject." — Gaile on Bukdek

The closest quote I could find, is gaile suggesting that the Bukdek Byway exploit was not intended. She could have said, Zen Daijun was intended, but this sounds like it was not. (I agree it's inconclusive.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

TEF eats crow

I found the relevant quote:

"That is an intended game mechanic. As one of the designers explained, it’s a storyline element that has the area cleaned out when you go back to show that you defeated the plague in that region, which makes it clear that you actually impacted the world by doing that quest.

He did have one concern, that players might not realize they need to challenge a non-hostile creature, so it's possible the quest will get tweaked just a tad. But overall, it's working as it should."

So, it is intentional. I think we need to cite this and rephrase. My apologies to all who remembered reading Gaile's statement back before I had even heard of the game. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I helped my gf (Factions born) do the attribute point quest on my para (NF born), and afterwards there were no foes in Zen Daijun when we returned. Didn't test in HM.

WoC + vanquishing

should it be mentioned that the 1 enemy trick with vanquishing doesnt work once you started winds of change, in the notes sections it says about how to get the 1 foe vq, but doesnt say it can be halted.Spark-TBa 11:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Accepting the "Memories of Purity" quest from the Herald of Purity (Kaineng Centre) corrects this problem. Yol 15:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Factions "One Kill" Vanquish + Charm Animal

I can confirm that if Faction characters want to go the "extreme pacifist" route with this vanquish, simply charming the same Tiger or Crane with the Ranger skill Charm Animal will trigger completion of the vanquish. However, the measly experience and gold rewards are not given to players who charm them, with "..." appearing in place of "You have earned 5 experience and 5 gold!". --Slapperfish 20:35, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Good catch! Thanks for adding it.

I found this actually takes a lot longer because you have to dismiss any existing pet (or remember which heroes haven't tamed one yet). Plus: who wants to give up 5xp and 5? I also confirmed that it works with heroes in the party, although all but two heroes come from outside of Factions/Cantha. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 03:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

This (the "..." chat window message and no experience and gold awarded) also occurs when you vanquish Bukdek Byway by defeating Drinkmaster Tahnu (since you don't kill him) with Chasing Zenmai and The Drunken Master active. --Silver Edge 03:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Description

What exactly is lush and tranquil about it? Last time I checked it had a brown sky and was full of Afflicted. Also if Zunraa supposedly protects it, he does a terrible job. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.169.181.150 (talk) at 03:37, 2012 July 28 (UTC).

Last time you checked must have been before you kicked the Afflicted out; after that, there's nothing except a few animals (unless you bring Tyrian or Elonian toons).

And, if you follow the storyline, you can see that Zunraa did as well as could be expected for a not-quite-god who was targeted for extermination by another not-quite god. (In fact, the point of Zen Daijun is to help Zunraa uncover the source of the infection so that he can go back to his cushy government job of hanging back and enjoy the lush and tranquil scenery.)

Of course, before the mission...and after Winds of Change, things are a lot uglier, so... I can see why one might object to the intro. (As it turns out, the WoC version's article uses the same phrase...and it's probably inappropriate in that case.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Killing not charming

Charming did not work but killing did KiteEye (talk) 02:29, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I may be mistaken but I was able to do this on a Canthan character but had to kill on a Tyrian character. I also did it before it was announced by Gaile that "Factions characters can vanquish this area by killing or charming a single animal. This trick requires that all characters have completed An Unwelcome Guest and that Winds of Change is not active (either because the character has not started it or because Memories of Purity is active). It will not work if the party includes any Prophecies or Nightfall characters. This is an intended feature, rewarding Canthan natives for their role in clearing evil from the area." Drogo Boffin 03:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)