Talk:Zinn's Task

anyone got a location of the lair yet? I was told the NW corner of the falls - Byakko 03:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Well if you go there and it is, let us know :P Briareus 03:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOSH 10 PLATINUM AND 50k XP!!!

Location of the Lair

The location of the lair is int he north-western area of the falls. It's past the four or five groups of those mesmers. There will be an area to click like in the chasm to enter EotN called "The Falls". You need Mox in your party to access it. If you're with more than one human player the player that has brought Mox needs to use "The Falls" to enter the Secret Lair. Demy 03:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Repeatable?

Someone said it's repeatable is that true? 122.104.161.96 04:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm nearly done so if so, I'll report back here and let you know! Briareus 04:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

You can do it on your other characters but it will not let me get the quest again on the same character that has completed it. OblivionDanny 04:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Will you be a sweetheart and upload the information about the automatonics or whatever, then? I'm very curious...Briareus 04:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Looks like people are already on it ;) ill leave them too it. OblivionDanny 04:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

When you destroy the book, you can't get it again (that I know of) So I guess its one time only.

I haven't checked to see, but the description when you hover over the book says that if you lose it, you can get another one from Zinn in his secret lair. I don't know if that means it would be repeatable though (I doubt it) Tgannon83 05:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

If you abandon the task cause you wanted to do one of the quests again, even if you didn't complete the whole thing, it won't let you. So unless you really want the reward it's more fun to just not complete any of the quests. Druid 05:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

What I understand from Mr.IP question, yes You can do the same quest with other characters. Meaning you can keep rewarding yourself 10k 10 blah blah summoning and 10 blah blah tonics but I doubt anyone is willing, those newbies islands are long and being low level doesnt help either to spam this quest with new characters over and over again.--ShadowFog 02:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The quest is NON-repeatable. I've even checked destroying the manual and aquiring it from Zinn again to no avail. Updated the Notes section. (added Signature: ChaosCom 18:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC))

Yeah it would be a pain to make a character just for that, but doable. A factions character would seemingly have the easiest time. I would hate doing all the nightfall quests to get over to that place o.O — Seru Talk 15:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Easy Riddle?

I was suprised at how easy the riddle was, and and another gulidie had found out the riddle almost right away from the picture in the journal. It only made sense that the clue he gave you would mean that damn giant group of mesmers. Oh well, maybe they'll make some harder riddles for us to figure out? :] Demy 04:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you explain the group of mesmers? The riddle makes sense to me, but uhhh doesn't seem to involve the mesmers. Stop when it hurts seems to just refer to what falls do... if you fall, you stop when it hurts. haha maybe I'm way off though :P Tgannon83 05:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I took it as that's the part that hurts most in that area, no as it was the end of the cliff. I remember vanquishing that area in Hardmode, those mesmers wiped my party pretty easily. That part of the area hurt the most, so it made sense to me to look around that area. Demy 08:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that the loading screen for the Golem Training has the background for Maguuma areas. Even though the info was here, I started with an idea of where to look. 75.146.48.190

I find prophecies annoyingly long and boring. I suppose that's because I started playing this game from factions.Pika Fan 15:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I started with proph and still hate it. I have to get runs through Maguuma now >_>- Vanguard 15:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Reward Dialog

I just noticed it was from Invader Zim, Hilarious! - Byakko 04:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

"JUST LIKE DOG" Just like Dog from HL2? They're both robots.A concerned citizen 05:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Zim refrences ....

Zinn's task [Zim, just push the 2 N's together]

The mongoose dog line is a reference to G.I.R from Invader Zim. [First episode, when G.I.R is told to adopt a disguise].

So is the line "What does the "G" stand for?" again from the first episode of Invader Zim, [the other robots are S.I.R's], but G.I.R says "G.I.R reporting for duty" Zim asks "What does the "G" stand for?" G.I.R replies "i dont know" then cackles madly.

Another Zim reference, Zim after seeing G.I.R cackle madly, asks "Is it supposed to be .... stupid?" The Tallest [the leaders/inventors] reply "it's not stupid! It's advanced!"

[there is even a T'shirt with this catchphrase on it]

There may be other references, but as i have not done the mission yet i dont know [I cackle madly] 09:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)203.16.182.12 MK

Ahaha awesome! I love Invader Zim. I was reading it and I was like, "Oh boy I can finally contribute trivia", and then someone else already did. It's pure Zim; there's no Dog from HL2. Gir always dressed as a dog in IZ. Vael Victus 13:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I would like to point out. Alex's robot in HL2 is named Dog. Maybe why someone thought it was a reference to it, golem is a machine, dog is a machine. -shrug- Demy 04:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

If M.O.X. was a reference to Moxon's Master, I just figured Zinn was to be put afterwards... MOXZinn... That's just my opinion. It seems to fit well with all the Zim references too. ~ Da Si 18:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

"The dialogue sentence about DOG might be a reference to the robot Dog in Valve's Half-Life 2. " Since majority of the trivia is in reference to Zim, I would say the whole DOG thing has a to do with G.I.R.'s disguise (e.g. a dog). Btw, G.I.R. --Shadowphoenix 22:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually the whole dialogue at the end is a reference to G.I.R. from the Invader Zim, if you rewatch episode 1 of the Invader Zim series after the part where Zim lands on Earth there a part where he says "It's time for disguises." Gir replies "I wanna be a Mongoose.", after the part where Zim disguises himselfs he later says: "Okay, for you I am thinking a maybe... A dog." in which Gir ask "Can I be a Mongoose-dog?" 82.155.195.58 13:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Cake And Waffles

Notes

"Though not confirmed, the charatcer who has M.O.X. as their hero MUST be the one to click on The Falls, to enable the option to dive in. "

I can confirm this, went to click and I wasn't the one who brought M.O.X., wouldn't let me enter. Player that had brought M.O.X. with them was able to move us tot he Secret lair. I can get two computers running again if you want a screenshot. Demy 08:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I can confirm also. As well as that you do need MOX to get into the Lair, but I don't think you it beyond the Golem Simulation and getting into the lair, since I did all 3 subquests without MOX in the party.

Also, if Nox = night, Pox= plague, maybe Rox is a reference to the titans? I can't think any direct correlation, but they can sound alike.75.146.48.190 16:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd think rox would be that it sound like rocks, which could be a reference to the titans...

I assumed ROX meant rocks, as in stone, as in Bloodstone. I added it to the notes, seems pretty sound to me. Briareus 20:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ye I know, I went into the Falls, without MOX in my hero team, and when I finally got to the place in the Falls...nothing, so I checked the wiki and then thought fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- Timus - Talk 19:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

The page says there's an anomaly, in that you must have MOX with you if you want to enter Zinn's Lair, even though it's not in the quest log. Although that might be different from other quests where a certain hero is required, it IS mentioned in the Golem user manual. Shouldn't that me mentioned as well on this page perhaps? Sjeng 10:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Who's the Master

I might be missing something here, but didn't it say that zinn was captured and whatnot. I was expecting to be jumped at any minute when getting the reward, my point being its just kind of weird that, unless I am being really dense, there is no allusion to who the client was and why the power crystals seemed like they were trying to escape as noted in the reward dialogue for the Deactivate *.O.X missions. I really hope someone can explain to me what I am missing or that there will be a follow up quest to answer some of these questions Monk Texas Ranger 17:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The power crystals had some sort of sentience, R.O.X. was the mastermind who demanded that the golems be built, likely exerting some kind of bond over some random dude to be created himself. At least, that's what I got out of it. 74.129.68.132 18:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I'm hoping it's foreshadowing for more bonus content like this. Some random villainous dude doing stuff (possibly affected by one of the dragons like Svanir was). Random speculation, go! --Valentein 18:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Valentein - I think we are still going to see more of the person behind this. Erasculio 18:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's obvious that the identity of the original client is supposed to be left as a nagging unknown, perhaps to be answered later. Given that the overall goal of the plan was destabilizing all three human civilizations, I think we can safely pin the blame on a non-human race or group. Add to that the idea that they obviously have some expertise with magic manipulation of their own (e.g. providing their own Power Crystals), even perhaps implanting their souls or minds into other containers. So: A race with a vendetta against humans, magically inclined, and with the possible ability to implant themselves into other receptacles. Who do we know like that?! IT'S TEH MURSAAT!! OMG MURSAAT!!! MURSAAT ARE BEHIND IT ALL!!!1 Arshay Duskbrow 02:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, is there any one or group of people that we know who would target the three groups that were nearly killed? --68.32.187.152 05:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

It must be Kormir. Everyone knows she's evil. 24.179.144.91 06:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting my money on the Seer things. They came out of nowhere to help with the Mursaat, and then poof, no more was heard from them. Granted, I think it was said there were very few of them left..but they were meant to possess strong magic. Briareus 06:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Time Travel. Cue Evil Chronomancer overlord boss for GW2A concerned citizen 06:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Apparently it has no connection to Bahtek, according to Linsey.

Linking to the individual quests

Wouldn't it be better if this article had links to the three "Deactivating x.O.X." quests? Right now it's a bit counter intuitive to find those quests. Erasculio 18:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, though this article does have a general walkthrough for all of 'em. Briareus 20:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Dog Reference

I played Half Life 2 fairly recently, how is a simple mention of a dog a reference to this? Sure, Alyx's pet but GOX's mention of a dog... I don't see the reference.- Vanguard 02:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I'm more inclined to agree with Vael Victus and Shadowphoenix above that with all the Zim references, the reference is more likely to be of GIR's standard disguise as a dog than Alyx's robotic friend. --Thervold 16:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Nox or Nyx

According to this its Nox so please don't change it again. — Seru Talk 23:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record, Nox is the Romanized form of Nyx. They are one and the same.--118.90.109.253 13:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Runnable?

Is it possible to run to Zinn's Lair or does MOX have to be alive in order to activate "The Falls" NPC and get into the lair? --Combatter 00:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The party leader needs to have Mox and be the one to activate the falls. I don't think it's runnable, sadly.-- anguard 00:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Ive just checked and provided MOX is your hero, it doesn't matter whether he's alive or not in order to activate the NPC. So it is runnable. Yay!  :) --Combatter 01:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

:)

Was very fun, albeit easy. Easy way to do all of the quest is to load gwne with interupts like tease. things like guilt help a lot against nox if ur too lazy to watch his countdown. I never ran into trouble in any missions tho, so i wish it was harder - I even ran to zinn's lair easily. Hope more of these show up.75.80.128.228 22:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Names

Anyone else noticed that the Golem's names seem to be a reference to the campaign they are found in? ROX is a reference to the bllodstones, POX is a reference to the plague, and NOX is a reference to Nightfall. --Saberhagen (My Talk) 09:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Look up the page at the Notes section above from last year. – josəph 23:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I thought that the "ROX" in question might well be the Titans... dirty great three-legged rocks that they are ;) 82.69.0.3 23:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

This is hardcore. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

This is the worst, most random trivia section I have ever seen. Pointless and confusing. 74.179.134.142 14:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Its a wiki; do yourself a favor and help us make it better. ^_^ --Falconeye 02:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

What campaign? (the unanswerable question)

To what campaign should we assign Zinn's Task (and its associated subquests)? I doubt we'll get a clear consensus, but perhaps we can get a strong/majority preference. The problem is: it's not really Core (since it's not available to people who own only one campaign), it's not really Beyond (since it came out well before GWB was a brand), it's at all a Bonus Pack Mission (even though it's often available through the same package), and it ought to belong some place (since it's a potential requisite for starting WiK).

We've tried to address this before...but never come to any conclusion. Here's a summary (unbiased, I hope) of what people have said to date.

Proposed campaign	Pro	Con
Core	It's available to everyone; does not require completion of anything else.	It's not available to everyone (you have to own the three primary campaigns).
Beyond	ANet devs, at one time, suggested it was part of the storyline that connects GW1 to GW2 (which is the lore raison d'étre for GWB	It was released well before Beyond was a concept.
Other	It doesn't belong to any campaign we can name, so let's not try to. This also allows us room for anything else that might not fit in a neat box.	Surely we can do better than none of above.
Zinn's Task	What's wrong with having a category/campaign of its own?	Why create a campaign with only a minor set of optional quests?

There's no urgency to deciding this issue (we've wrestled with it for months if not years). On the other hand, we can make a command decision now and save us from going through this again later. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, neither this nor this provides an official name for the update, so we shouldn't just make one up, and we shouldn't stick it into categories where it doesn't belong (Beyond).

"Campaign: Other" would categorize into "Other quests" and link to Other, which is.. not optimal, but could be changed in the template.

"Campaign: Multi campaign" is probably more correct, but requires slight changes in the template as well.

"Storyline: Zinn's Task" is ok for now. It doesn't link anywhere informative, but it doesn't create new categories either. Tub 23:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, Zinn's Task is probably the best we can get without going "multi campaign" (the latter just doesn't sound good imo). I personally find that Beyond: Zinn's Task (or alternatively Beyond: Trial of Zinn) is the best solution, but I'd settle for going with Zinn's Task - it doesn't create a new category and it links to the over-arc quest. Only issue with Zinn's Task is Trial of Zinn, which is clearly part of Beyond but is also part of this storyline (thus "Storyline: Zinn's Task" is not incorrect). @Tub: "{{{1}}}" it referring to Zinn's Task quests, and this, I assume, referring to Beyond, I however don't know what Musha's referring to (when Linsey said such), so I think his source is, truthfully, the solution to this whole mess. Konig/talk 23:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Im for Beyond: Zinn's Task, as the Trial of Zinn retroactively bundles Zinn's/M.O.X.'s quest chains as Beyond content (unintentionally, or not). This issue is driving me nuts on the Quest nav and List of ---- Quests. --Falconeye 04:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

When I got to the Trial, I didn't have any of Zinn's Task completed, and I still was able to complete all of the EotN main quest chains. Zinn is strictly an optional additional story line. If it was a required Beyond task, then I would agree that it should be added to that category, but it's not. --CraigDC42 04:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hard Mode

There is no Hard Mode version of this map. Meaning: if you enter the lair in HM you will automatically be set to Normal Mode