User talk:Kokuou/Archive 1

Hello, Kokuou, and welcome --Fallen (talk) 01:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)to the Official Guild Wars Wiki! If you need help with anything, don't hesitate to add a message to my talk page. I highly recommend that you check out the "Welcome to the wiki" page - it's extremely useful as an initial guide. Best of luck and happy editing!--§ Eloc § 01:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Eloc's RFA

In response 2 ur comment on Eloc's RFA, isn't discretion part of emotion? Correct me if i'm wrong, but disretion is a key attribute in being a sysop, is it not?--Sum Mesmer Guy 14:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Not when you get so emotional and involved in something that it makes you irrational. Besides, Eloc is far too focused on castrisizing everyone based on the letter of the wiki's policies, rather than the spirit. Kokuou 20:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Discretion is most definitely not governed by emotion. -- ab.er.rant 16:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Gah!

Vandalism!? AHHHHHHH!

just kidding! thanks for the quick revert ( I was at work)--Ryudo 21:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, no prob. Wasn't sure about the BDSM part, though. Had to actually look at a couple of your edits to make sure. :D Kokuou 22:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Hello! Thanks for voting on my RfA. The whole experience was very enlightening, and the people there were very friendly and honest, much like yourself. Take care! --People of Antioch talk 17:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. :D You're doing great work so far, so keep it up and you may get a different vote from me on your next RfA! ;) Kokuou 22:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Stygian Hunger revert?

Why did you revert everything I just did? I tested it out and it makes sence. --ImperialPriest 13:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Because there's really no proof that they are rangers. They're in an elite area, so they likely have a lot more energy, hence their ability to spam skills. The fact that all their skills are necromancer skills is more than enough reason to believe that they are, in fact, necromancers. Kokuou 13:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

They take HALF damage from elemental damage. This is proof that they are ranger. --ImperialPriest 14:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you can convince the rest of the community, then by all means, change away. Not saying that I don't believe you, but I'm pretty sure that monsters only started having secondary professions (or at least began using skills from their secondary) in EotN. Monsters from all other campaigns usually only use skills from their primary profession. Kokuou 14:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Then no offense, but who are you to revert my changes without testing them yourself. Wiki is about "facts" not "assumtions". Your "assuming" all monsters before EotN was released are only 1 proffession. --ImperialPriest 14:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you take a look here, you'll see that a level 28 necromancer creature will have an armor rating of 3*28=84, resulting in lower damage taken from elemental damage. And really, you don't know for "fact" that they are indeed rangers. I'd say that much more empirical evidence needs to be taken into consideration before officially changing their profession on the wiki. Kokuou 15:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Support

Hey Kokuou, as my recent RFA has been successful so I wanted to take the time to thank you for the support you gave me :) --Kakarot 02:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Awww, thanks! I see how much work you do in the recent changes, so I thought you deserved them seeing as how some of the current sysops aren't even active anymore. :D Anyway, congrats on the new sysop tools! :D Kokuou 03:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Quick Question

Do you listen to Dir en Grey? Just wondering where your name comes from.--Fallen (talk) 01:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey! :D No, but I know who they are. My name is the Japanese word for "king." It's a long story, so I'll spare you the details, but I've used this handle for quite a long time. Does one of their songs have that word in it or is it a title of one? Kokuou 01:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Lol I'm tired, I though your name was Kodou, which is a name of their like #1 hit song. Nevermind xD--Fallen (talk) 21:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Healer

Hi! Care to explain why the example build didn't meet the GWW:BUILD standards? And thanks for cleaning up my wording :) English isn't my native language. -- Mini Me 20:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh btw, that may sound a bit rude, but I'm just curious. -- Mini Me 20:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi! :D No worries, there's no intonation or metalinguistic information (like speech stress and other voice qualities) on the internet, so it's hard not to sound rude sometimes. Basically, GWW:BUILD says that only popular builds that people refer to by name and are recognized by most players (such as an SS Necro or a Touch Ranger) are to be documented, and even then, only the core skills used (so, Spiteful Spirit, Arcane Echo, and possibly Insidious Parasite for the SS Necro) are to be documented, not full builds. In other words, they're supposed to be very, very general. (The reason PvX Wiki was set up was because of the cluttering and unmanageability of builds on other Guild Wars wikis, if I recall correctly.) The Healer article is supposed to generally describe a healer's job (just like we have separate articles for Ranger and Barrage ranger), instead of giving skill suggestions. If you feel that WoH Healer deserves its own article, then feel free to start a new one! (You might wanna take a look at 55 Monk or one of the other Builds for a style reference.) :D Kokuou 00:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see! I guess I misunderstood it then. Thanks for clearing that up :) -- Mini Me 11:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Augury Rock

kokuou leave the edits i put into augury rock in geez. alot of ppl wont think of it. even if you can do it to other bosses who cares. its a walk through and its in the walkthrough part of the page. dont jus go round deleting pplz edits --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:203.23.239.136 (talk).

First, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~). As for the edits, that page lists techniques specific to killing the doppelganger. Not only is the method that you keep listing non-specific, it's quite slow and inefficient compared to the vast majority of other techniques listed. It's no surprise that the boss runs away from you when you back up; it's called 'losing aggro' and can be done anywhere. In any case, it's slower and less effective than most, if not all, methods listed there already, and I have already had other editors agree with my removing the edit on that article's talk page, which is where you should talk about this as well. Kokuou 07:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Red Links are bad!

lol put something on your user page:P -- Wynthyst 05:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No they aren't! Lord Belar 05:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't be a smarty pants Mr. Font Color #DD2200 :P-- Wynthyst 05:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

<span>, actually. Lord Belar 05:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Mmm... SPAM! Okay, okay, give me a little while. I'll get something up there soon enough. Le sigh, so much for trying to be incredibly secretive... I mean lazy... yeah, lazy. >,> Kokuou 16:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL! Thank you for eliminating the red link :P-- Wynthyst 19:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

hehe, he didn't someone else did :P --Shadowphoenix 19:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't. Some vandal thought that it was funny to vandalize my page and call me a troll because I was reverting his vandalism. Yeah, I don't get it either. o_O Kokuou 19:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

*whisper* {{delete|u1|speedy}} for those who likes red links ;) - anja 20:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

*whisper* shhhh, red links are bad --Shadowphoenix 20:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

By/With

See User talk:JonTheMon#Lists. Calor 19:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

yayay

Oni waz a biatch,sowwi<3. gud nuf? q.q! Oni was terribly bored when he wrote that,and was sick of izzy. and in onis oppinion,he does -BIP- fail. every area in the game is unbalanced,And he just released immortality ingame ;D. Oni just cant understand why someone like him getz to balance the skills. Oni 09:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Guild page tagging

You may want to give them more than 4 minutes to build their pages before you tag it for clean up :P AGF -- Wynthyst 10:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, well most people starting a new guild using the pre-made template, and the way the page was laid out, it was fairly obvious they didn't know about GWW formatting. And I wasn't really assuming bad faith, but the links that are in the {{guild cleanup}} explain how to format the page better than I could. Besides, I figured it was easier to catch it earlier while it was in the RC log than later. :D Kokuou 10:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Dark Icy Pandas guild page, we have been working with them for awhile now, but there are some language issues. I would really like to see the tag removed rather than their page get deleted. -- Wynthyst 13:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

True, but Plingggggg did leave a message on their page on May 14, albeit in a language I don't understand except for the Guild Pages policy link. I assume that is what he was trying to tell them (to tidy up their page a bit). It's been more than a month since then and their page shows up in the RC log quite a bit. Would it be possible for Plingggggg to PM one of them in game? It does seem like they're pretty active in GW, so it would be sad to see them have their page deleted (not to mention their awesome guild name :D). Kokuou 20:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It's in German, and the issues that were talked about in that message were dealt with and the clean up tag was removed. I know, cuz I was the one that asked for the message, and the one that removed the tag.-- Wynthyst 20:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. The page still has a lot of superfluous stuff that's been pointed out and subsequently removed from other guild pages to conform with GWW:GUILD, but if you feel that it's cleaned up enough, then go ahead and remove the tag. I suppose there are other guild pages that have gotten away with far worse. >,> ... :D Kokuou 21:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The scope of arbitration

Arbitration is the last stage to sort out a user issue -- going to the committee isn't really necessary when one uses bad language: 1. we don't censor obscene language here (unless they are used as personal attacks) 2. the first stages would involve asking the user to stop politely out of respect for others (which you did), perhaps going to sysops if the situation escalates or there are personal attacks. The arbitration committee should generally be used only when all else fails; even then, I personaly doubt a case will be accepted on the grounds of bad language alone. -- Brains12 \ talk 22:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I realize all of your points above, but CA has constantly been asked to stop using words like 'faggot' and 'gay' (the former being extremely offensive) several times by various users. Allowing such language, in my opinion, gives the wiki a bad reputation and should be disallowed if several users have asked that the behaviour stop. Maybe we could implement something that allows users to hide comments from selected other users on talk pages (other than your own)? It'd probably be a technical monstrosity, and wouldn't protect new users from such language, but I know there are several users here I'd prefer not to read comments from. Kokuou 00:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that's technically doable, I'm not aware of any hide-comment sort of extensions.

Yes, if someone is repeatedly asked to stop but contiues to do something disruptive, then that could be met with administrative actions (but possibly not arbitration). However, that doesn't necessarily mean we should disallow the action altogether, nor should we censor the action. I'm apathetic to the debate of whether we should censor bad language, but while we don't have something definitive saying "No bad language allowed", I'm staying in the position to let it be used. Once it gets disruptive, however, that's a different matter. -- Brains12 \ talk 08:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree that we shouldn't censor bad language (although, this is the official wiki linked in game, so it'd be interesting to hear ANet's position on such things considering they've never said one way or the other; after all, they do have an in-game censor). Heck, sometimes it's almost even warranted (granted in extremely limited cases), albeit even in such cases racial and prejudiced epithets should not be allowed. While I find the language used by CA in this particular instance extremely disgusting and totally unnecessary, it wouldn't even bother me if it were used on his and his friends' talk pages. However, he's insistent on using such language on high-traffic pages like Regina's talk page, which many users go to daily to hear GW news and ANet's stance on topics brought up by other users. It's this kind of thing I find disruptive. I mean, come on, he's belittling other users and adding nothing constructive to the conversation.

I do admit, though, that I was incorrect in stating ArbComm in my post. I meant I'd bring it up to the admins. Sorry about that. I just don't understand how people can have a total and utter lack of respect for other fellow human beings. (Okay, I do, but you get my point.) Kokuou 08:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with Kokuou on this completely! -- Salome 11:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi

can you read this[1] please? Contributors do not own the suggestions they post, and I WILL change them to ensure that they are Suggestions NOT essays! (Terra Xin 05:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

If we're going by that, then it should give you the rights to edit other people's user pages as well. While it's not specifically against any rule here at GWW that you can't do so, most users refrain from editing other users' pages out of common courtesy and respect. As for the suggestions, while the original poster doesn't "own" the contribution, it's much more preferable to contact the original poster and have them reduce it rather than going gung-ho and butchering something down that someone else wrote, especially with things like user pages, guild pages, and suggestions. Kokuou 05:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

To simplify my point, user pages are NOT articles. You actually don't have the right to edit another person's userpage, because its not signed under GNU. Suggestion pages, however, are! I gave you the link, did you even read it?(Terra Xin 06:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

Actually, they are all under the GDFL, so you can copy the material. (with credit). Editing is a policy matter. Backsword 06:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

No. User and Guild pages have seperate policies. Backsword 06:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Terra Xin, I'm not saying anything about policy at all. I'm saying that it's better to ask the original editor to reduce the content of something it you deem it too lengthy than to simply take it upon yourself to do so. If, after some time has passed since the request to cut things down was made and nothing has been done, then I would go ahead and do it myself. Again to reiterate, I'm not talking policy, I'm talking courtesy and respect for other editors. Kokuou 06:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

We have approximately 10 new suggestions every few days - these are expected to increase as the game nears its date. Half of these suggestions contain mispellings, incorrect formatting and overly-lengthy descriptions, while others are ideas which have already been suggested. Some of the contributors who release suggestions do not log in on a daily basis, and if they refuse to have their suggestions edited, I'm not going to turn around and say "oh well, lets move on." The goal of the suggestions is to allow users to present their ideas, but to ensure that their ideas are full of clarity. The best you'll get from me is a note on the discussion page stating what I've changed and why it was changed. I usually make a note saying something along the lines of "if there's anything that I've left out then feel free to add it back in, but make sure it's to the point". Btw, it's also curteous to read before making a suggestion, if you've seen half of the suggestions that were made prior to my editing, you'll see that it's not the case. Im not here to make strides, if I see something that can look less stressful, then I'll change it. (Terra Xin 06:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

We don't edit other people's comments, full stop. Whether or not it's allowed by the GFDL, it's basic etiquette (and policy) to not change comments -- which include suggestions. -- Brains12 \ talk 08:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I actually reverted one of this girl's major changes earlier. She had dumbed down a rather in-depth idea into "Show adrenalin bars." With no capitalization or period. Very rude if you ask me. —Utopian ♫ 08:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Either one of you want to revert this? I'd do it, but I'm not about to break GWW:1RR. Kokuou 08:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Done (: —Utopian ♫ 08:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Spanks. :D Kokuou 08:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Kokuou's comment "If we're going by that, then it should give you the rights to edit other people's user pages as well. While it's not specifically against any rule here at GWW..." not editing other peoples user pages, IS actually covered here, so I would say it is against a specific rule to do so. The suggestion pages, however do not fall under the same policy as userpages but I would have to agree with Brains12 that "We don't edit other people's comments, full stop." -- Wynthyst 09:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I did see that section, but the wording doesn't specifically prohibit it, hence my response. Although I suppose depending on your interpretation of that section it could be covered in a sense. After all, we are allowed to edit others' pages if, for example, there's a section of coding that's causing the page to go wonky (although getting permission to help beforehand is usually the norm). I do agree that it is very frowned upon, though, to touch anyone else's user page. :) Kokuou 09:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I have a mouse in my hand and I feel like the villian who is about to crush it like a wine glass.(Terra Xin 12:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

Cut me some slack, please! If you're going to revert the changes without even reading why they were changed then make a note of it in the discussion page. If you can't come up with a reason then I'm just going to re-apply the edit (and I'm already aware of the 1 revert rule.) There are many more pages like this that I've condensed and I'm not going to exercise a policy of courtesy that doesn't even exist.... And I'm being labeled as rude...(Terra Xin 13:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

Do not edit other people's comments. I cannot put it any simpler. Don't violate the one-revert rule either. I understand that you want to help the suggestions pages, but it's not our place to edit comments made by others -- if you think ideas should be condensed, ask the person who created that comment; don't go any further than that. -- Brains12 \ talk 15:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand the one-revert rule, and it also states that when a person makes a revert that a valid reason be attached. None was added to the talk page... go, have a look. Besides, I wont be making any changes to that page, for now. But these suggestions are not comments pages. Users understand that once they post their suggestion it will be subject to change. I'm sorry but I will not adhere to a request not to edit articles unless there is a specific policy against it. Your logic is beyond mine, other contributors like myself are merging pages, renaming titles to make them simpler and reformatting the structure of the page so that it matches the template that they were supposed to use in the first place - all of those are examples of what you would deem "we shouldn't be editing" but apparently when it comes to a lengthy written article ohhhh no you can't touch that page. (Terra Xin 22:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

There's a difference between revising titles/structure, and completely revamping someone else's ideas. Fixing spelling and grammar? Okay (albeit leaving a note is polite). Hacking out the bulk of someone else's comments or suggestions? Not okay. If you can't live with that, feel free to go to another wiki or propose changes as this wiki is run by the community, not by Terra Xin. Kokuou 22:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

What note would you have wanted me to leave? "Reverted because Terra is being impolite. From request by creator"? Because thats exactly why I did it. —Utopian ♫

I've submitted a Request for Comment, so we'll see what the community has to say. Kokuou 23:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I honestly can't see why Terra Xin's got nothing better to do that edit people's suggestions. I mean, is it that important to her life? Please tell Terra to find more productive things to do. --PCGamer07 17:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

woohoo!

Happy/Merry Canada Day!!!!!!!! (not sure what the correct pre-fix is for that) May your maple syrup and skinny diva's always be bountiful! :) -- Salome 11:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

lol, thanks :D Oh, you forgot the salmon. NEVER forget the salmon. o_O Kokuou 11:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

i don't believe u! >.<—ZerphaThe Improver

BUSTE... err... I mean... o_O Kokuou 12:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Guild Moving

Thanks. Somehow my colon key broke, so that didnt help matters at all >.< -- Wandering Traveler 05:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, no worries. Gotta stop banging on that keyboard when you get lag! o_O Kokuou 06:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Lmao I had a hard drive fail because I kept getting mad at the lag XD. Dominator Matrix 02:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Helpful

Thanks for the suggestion, guy. Hope this makes you happy; it's all your fault. And I probably could have made it simpler, but no one ever got a laugh out of simple. - Vik 04:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Whats this guy problem?

74.185.225.215, no really, whats this guy problem? does he have some beef for his excuse to vandalize?--ShadowFog 13:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

No idea. o_O Most vandals, I suspect, don't really have a beef, per se, as much as a lack of maturity. ;) Kokuou 13:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi there Kokuou, thanks for jumping in on my talk page today, I appreciate it. There doesn't seem to be any point reasoning with him unfortunately. I've asked him to stop making threats on his user page, mine, elsewhere, but I doubt we'll see the last of him. I do, however, have a question regarding the last comment I made to Burning Freebies on my talk page. I felt I owed him an explanation for how I was confused by the various references to his age, so I explained why I was confused and advised him to update them in future to avoid others being so confused. Would this be considered revealing personal information as per the GWW:NPA ? If so, then perhaps I should give no explanation. --Bunny - Angel talk 19:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

hey there. No worries at all. :D The wiki is no place for personal attacks nor threats, and using the excuse that "other people do it, so I can too" not only shows a lack of social responsibility, but is very childish (admittedly, he's only 12 or 14 and still has a lot to learn about life, but choosing to take part in this community means at least abiding by the rules, even if you don't fully understand them). As for your comment, I don't think you've gone into any policy-violating territory. You didn't call him an "imbecilic 12-year old," so I think you're safe in terms of GWW:NPA. On the contrary, I was glad to see you handle things so calmly and maturely, given the entire situation. This wiki needs more people like you. ;) Kokuou 23:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations. Honestly, I was surprised by the overwhelming support I received. -- Wyn 07:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi there!

You had asked for some food-related suggestions on my page, and I completely forgot to jot down some notes when I saw it. I did add a few thoughts this weekend, and hope they are helpful! Have a great time at PAX. -- Gaile 19:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Celebration!!!

Happy Birthday!!!!! ^^ |Cyan LightRefreshment!| 14:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, why thank you! :D (Sigh, one step closer to death... Uh, I mean, "Oh happy day!") Kokuou 14:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hahppy b-day! yeh I hate b-days...saddest day of my life xD Blood 01:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday! — Wolf 02:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't here, still happy BBD!. --Silverleaf Don't assume, ask! 16:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)