Talk:A Little Help From Above/Archive 1

Unlike the Wanted quests leading to this one from Lion's Arch Keep, there is no additional reward for completing this in Hard Mode.

I am rather sure the reason behind this is because these are not bounty quests but are in fact normal quests.- Zesbeer 23:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Salma gives them, like the other one, so i think u ar right on this one! --Mann 08:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Did it in HM, took me 1.5h and yes, same reward - at least it was challenging THC4k

Ugg

well im at 50DP looks like another quest i cant beat even with discordway Yay Killing Charr talk 23:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

maybe its because they want you to use something other then discord way.- Zesbeer 23:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

discord is pretty much fail against anything not enterly stupid just take a resto rti boss on hm with mbas it simply cant win 127.0.0.1 00:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I pretty much assumed that after a few "War in Kryta" encounters. Ended up modding Discord to be more survivable. (DaveBaggins 00:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

my bad not discord sabway ^^ Yay Killing Charr talk 01:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

"sab"way and discordway are both crap. sorry to say, but it's a shitters way through PvE. |Cynn's Thong| 01:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

And that's why IWAY in PvE is FTW! Warherox 02:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Lol, this is still easymode with Discord. I'm even looking at the wiki while standing in fights and I still win without anyone dying. InfestedHydralisk 02:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

If sabway isnt working you need to go to discordway. sabway is too outdated anymore, save for a few instances. and dont hate on discord. when i discord in pve it opens up my time so i can do flips and shit while my npcs kill everything, sometimes i even get on a boat. Siris/talk 00:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I still use sabway and it does moderately well. Just... takes more effort on your part nowadays. No more AFK-fighting.-- anguard 17:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Justiciar Sevaan

Does anybody know if killing him while doing this quest will also satisfy the victory conditions for the Wanted: Justiciar Sevaan quest? - Zaxares 01:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

It does. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 01:36, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Sweet! I'll make sure to grab the bounty before doing this quest then. :D - Zaxares 01:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I believe you will only satisfy the main objective, but not the bonus, unless you do the quest in HM as well, which is not required>Filofax1us 03:32, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I was going to do it in HM anyway (don't particularly feel like dragging around 4 level 15 henchies without elite skills against beefed up White Mantle), but thanks for pointing it out! It's useful to know for others who might be wondering the same question. - Zaxares 07:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Wanted: Vess could also be done as well, but just try to get a group, people are dumb. Ramei Arashi 23:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Fun as hell

Anet is finally doing something sorta right. Although I had to use dual discord with a bit of SoS, I found this quest to be amazingly engaging.good job anet keep em coming.The Emmisary 02:00, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Yea this is a lot of fun. Just did it in 29 minutes with a good pug. We made jokes the entire way and killed everything in a few seconds. Although they are tough mobs, nothing beats the unbeatable golem barrage when you you agrro every group in Shaemoor :D--Zeonozero 04:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

This mission had a decent mix of fun and infuriating moments. It was a bit too easy to over-aggro, imo. Bad luck I guess. Was fun once we got the ball rolling, took around 1 hour for me and my friend. P.S The Orbital Bombardment was cool. 217.9.223.19 23:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I soloed this with H/H. Nicely difficult. Being the only one in my party able to carry Zinns weapon my question is ; is Zinns weapon a one at a time device or can all players grab one.(Jaxx Hammer)--173.16.56.248 06:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Each player can get one. — kyrasantae 08:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Unbeatable golem barrage? I used it when my party was about to wipe, I didn't notice any of the White Mantle going down. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 19:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you should use it at the start of battle not the end. Besides it does do damage maybe you just dropped at fail spot69.107.74.43 20:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

It does like 100 damage to foes within the area whenever a golem explodes. InfestedHydralisk 21:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The skill is only visible for a brief moment, but I think they use Bit Golem Crash, and there's at least 4 of them in a small area. We don't have a page for the beacon, right? Manifold 22:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

~Oh yeeah, Went my War, a LC, Discord and a RC prot + Hench in HM and had a Blood Bath! Totally red-lining my builds...took me around 30+ mins I think...Thanks ANET! Please MORE of this mission difficulty!!!~Still no "The Soul Reaper" :(...

Strange. I have been trying this quest solo and it has been as unpleasant and tedious as this game gets (and I am comparing that to the contents of all 4 campaigns). I can't see anything fun about this; certainly not for solos. --Deafblindmute 22:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The original poster should seek help for his masochistic narcissism. I'm sure this kind of slog would be fine as a side quest, but to make it a tremendous central bottle-neck, keeping casual players from accessing further content shows the devs intentions rather starkly. I'd been looking forward to GW2, but this mission raises serious cause for alarm.

Tried it in Normal, tried it in Hard. Thought I had decent Heroes, but this mission proved me wrong. Was looking forward to the rest of the War in Kryta content, but I guess this is where GW ends for me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philmosk (talk • contribs) at 23:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC).

Ohmg defendud mursawtt

OOOOOH OH GOD HEROES BE CAREFUL NOW THEM MURSAAT DAEMONS ARE LIKE SO FREAKING FORTIFIED AND IT WILL GIVE Y OU A HEART ATTACK SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT LIGHT-HEADED... OOOOOH MAN THIS IS SO HARD PLEASE DON'T DIE OR ANYTHING NORMAL MODE IS SERIOUS SERIOUS SERIOUS BUSINESS OH YOU'RE BACK WELL YOU'RE NOT GETTIN SHIT UNTIL DWAYNA FINISHES PROGRAMMING OUR REWARDS!!1 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

You also want a bigger reward for every other quest in Guild Wars if completed in HM? Markus Clouser 14:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

They started it with the Z mish and quests followed by the wanted and the Courier runs... this is considered end of game content... should do something for HM 192.203.160.241 17:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

No I'm just poking fun at Kryta acting like we're newbs when all we're doing is assassinating one mursaat... Yeah... Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

It's because so many have been killed, all the remaining ones have to be eliminated. InfestedHydralisk 21:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

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Yah dont run this h/h with a war when u get beacon ur basically useless. BurrTheKing 03:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

You don't need to use the beacon at all, but I do wish it functioned as a skill that only recharged when you talk to Zinn, or had a long recharge. Manifold 03:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Or if one person stayed behind to punch in coordinates to fire off golems where your party calls for them... 67.158.10.44 04:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Cartography

Should this be noted in regards to previously inreachable areas? --Falconeye 04:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

No, because you can access the area regardless of whether or not you have the quest. If a note should be added, it would be on the Divinity Coast (explorable area) page, not here. 68.118.250.100 18:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Trivia?

"This is your mission; do you accept it?" Sounds familiar? Your mission, should you choose to accept it maybe? 83.251.193.118 05:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd call that a long shot. 145.94.74.23 06:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Optional objectives

It's already mentioned there's no need to talk to zinn, but I just tried it and you don't need to do "Acquire the Key to the Fountain of Truth by killing Cairn the Berserker in Loamhurst" at all. Just go directly to the boss, kill the 10 groups + open the gate - you'll complete it just the same. But quicker! Future 15:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeaaaaa but thats no fun so shhhhh.The Emmisary 17:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I just wlaked over and killed it. No need to talk to Livia even. ! Backsword 22:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

That was a glitch, and it's just been fixed Kirbett 00:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Good thing they fixed it - it IS more fun to do the entire thing. I did the entire quest the proper way on my main character, and then a second run on another. It wasn't until the second run when I tried out if you could skip objectives. Everyone should however complete it the proper way at least once (well I suppose there's not much choice now that anet fixed it) Future 06:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

New skill?

I saw a white mantle use "To the Limit!" but he shouted "Everyone, To the Limit!" and all the white mantle started using Adrenal skills like crazy. Phil 15:56, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

There is a little chance you will scout that when using "To the Limit!", like the notes state at the skillpage. ---- Demonic Cobra 16:35, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Maps

Added the 'needed?' maps. First time i've done this so if i've done it wrong, drop me a line on my talk page Kraal FardaleTalk 17:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

looks perfectly fine to me. Backsword 22:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Magical Pop Up Groups are LAME

Groups that just appear are at least reasonable in UW or DoA...due to the whole demonic aspect. But White Mantel just appearing after you kill Cain is just annoying and LAME. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.207.147.98 (talk).

-- Well the Mursaat have "returned" so this could account for their teleport abilities :) I mean, look at all assassins and such around the game, they can teleport aswell :) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:90.224.177.250 (talk).

Just advanced teleporters from the crystal desert MrPaladin † talk 22:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

@op i like it. also please sign your comments with ~~~~ thanks!- Zesbeer 00:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

@ 90.224.177.250, the Mursaat do not have abilities that allow them to freely teleport around Tyria. Remember the Inquisitor in Iron Mines of Moladune? That guy had to reach a Mursaat teleportation pad in order to escape us. He would've surely teleported away if he'd had that ability. But he didn't... -Thalador Doomspeaker 07:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

No i think thats just because this mursaat was weak.--Neil2250 07:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit:and Explain the cinematic in sauls story where the mursaat appear from no-where--Neil2250 07:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

@neil they are called the unseen for a reason.- Zesbeer 08:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

True Sight: You got it; Mantle don't. 24.197.253.243 08:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I found it easier to wipe after killing Cairn to completely skip the spawns. Phil 12:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

It must be either a shadow step or a cloak of some sort Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Obviously they Map Travel, since Shaemoor is a White Mantle outpost. -77.166.63.187 07:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Easier in HM

Yup, not a joke. I find this quest to be much easier in HM. As someone pointed somewhere above, henchies are just crappy as hell against white mantle in nm. With lvl 15 and no elites, they do little to no damage, have low armor and health, therefore leeching most of the party's healing. My recommendations to make this quest easy and fast?

1. If you can, go in normal mode with at least another player. With 2 players and 6 heroes, this quest is absurdly easy.
2. Case you have to solo it, do it in HM. There isn't too much difference between nm & hm white mantle, but you'll obtain a large benefit from having 4 lvl 20 henchies.
3. If you go in nm I'd even say that I find better going just with 3 heroes and use no henchies. A group of a player and 3 heroes can blast white mantle groups away, and the healing will be much easier.
4. Pull, pull, pull! Do you know how to pull? Then pull as there's no tomorrow damnit!

Just my 2 cents --Lhoj 10:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

4... yes. Mobs will come at you all the way from Pluto at the fortress. If your eyes aren't on the radar you will likely wipe there once. And DON'T FORGET TO TAKE THE GOLEM SHOOTER IF YOU DIE!! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:22, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It's hard to pull if you're the only player and carrying the Beacon... >.< But yes, those magical beamed-in mobs were the bane of my first attempt at completing it with H/H. I'd managed to battle my way to Cairn and killed him (and the other boss nearby, just for morale) with a few deaths, but nothing that couldn't be worked off... But getting bushwhacked by White Mantle without the opportunity to prepare or set up kill zones soon sent everybody into -45% DP or worse.

I'm sure this quest would be extremely easy in NM with a group of all players (or just 2 players and 6 Heroes), but non-elite henchies just won't cut it here. If you're doing this in HM, either get other players to help you, or use consumables. - Zaxares 00:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

This quest is incredibly poorly balanced for HM if you play a non caster class and you solo. In fact if you solo it's much harder. Having to run all the way back to Zinn means the beacons are nearly useless and holding onto them for the right time means you can't attack or use your skills. THERE IS A REASON PEOPLE HATE ARBORSTONE AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE FALLING ROCKS. BUNDLE ITEMS ARE BAD FOR SOLO PLAYERS WHO PLAY A NON CASTER CLASS. 122.105.107.211 03:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The solution? Just don't use Zinn's beacons. In arborstone or boreas you have to carry the items necesarily, but in this quest you don't even have to talk to Zinn. I've made the quest 4 times by now (3 in HM, 1 in NM (I don't like to go Hm with the monk and rely on heroes damage to wipe out mobs :P)), 3 of them with melee classes (well, in fact 2 with melee clases and another with a ranger) and have never taken a beacon. I just think they hinder more than they help. --Lhoj 08:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

yea, bundle items suck for non casters this is true, Rogueonion 07:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Rez Shrine

Should it be noted that Zinn's lab acts as a rez shrine here even though it isn't marked as one? 173.19.255.112 21:57, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

And that the stupid thing needs to be closer to the damned fortress. I hate wiping and having to run all the way back. Such a waste of time.--Ph03n1x 02:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Bush in doorway?

Is that a misplaced item? I notice that every time I go through that gate (near the end of the mission) that there is a bush in the middle of the gateway, every time, even though I am aware it is there, I and my party get hooked on it while tying to get through the gate. I am unsure that this is a good spot for it, but has anyone else noticed this? Rogueonion 07:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

AGREED!

That bloody bush has caused so many wipes because i couldnt get thru it.

MOVE it or Lose it! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.92.93.106 (talk).

Yep, I got snagged several times. Manifold 15:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

But guys.... that's the Mursaat's secret weapon :( The Emmisary 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

LOL But what I am wondering, is, Does it belong in that doorway? or is it just there to make that stupid doorway the size of a pea because the mission was not hard enough carrying bundled Items through MOBS? <facetious. Rogueonion 00:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, Just woke up, that sounded better between my ears! Rogueonion 00:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

AH! clear thought, What I wanna know is, should this bush be noted by the test krewe or is that not the kind of thing they look for? Rogueonion 00:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

This bush is present in the Divinity Coast mission as well. I always get hung on this silly plant to and from Fountain of Truth. Yeger Mayster 18:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey! You are right! I never noticed it in the Divinity Coast mission because I always run past that straight to Sanctum Cay lol But maybe the Test Krewe should get in there and tell them to move it, I mean, what good is a doorway if everyone has trouble moving past it? Rogueonion 23:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hehe im sorry this is old and late to reply but damn did the title to this make me crack the biggest smile. dirty thoughts. now about that bush. yes plz do remove it. even though ill never have to go back to that evil freakin hill i would like to know for future characters that the bush isnt going to cause me to get caught and wipe i too know what its like. damn yucca plant.----torqueblue 21:44:42 (UTC) 4/23/2012

Shortcut

should it be noted that after killing Cairn the Berserker you can just party wipe and be resed at the starting point, therefore avoiding the 10 hidden groups? Waldir 14:52 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I can add it to notes I guess but only after you can gain more support for the idea. --The Emmisary 16:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed this is a valid way to avoid the map-traveled mantle. Rogueonion 13:48, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Recommended Hero set?

Tried this twice. Both same spot, failed due to overaggro. I pull a group a mile away from another and somehow they still zerg me. Kudos for improved AI, "Hey, what's going over there? Let's check it out." But still. Sure, I'm in Hard Mode (so the henches are level 20), and it was smooth up to a point. I just think I need to use a different hero set. -- anguard 14:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Discordway --Neil2250 14:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't like discordway. Requires the player to have a specific condition-starting build. That fucks my freedom, and shoots down my versatility. Try again.-- anguard 14:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea if this will works since I only used it for Slaver's Exile with a buddy. Thats about it. Tahlkora can do some stupid stuff so you might wanna take your own monk build if your not sure. Or you can take a classical MM for meat shields. Try and take another person as a human SoS and a smarter-than-henchy prot monk are prob going to help. Good luck.

Build Sets

Mesmer-Panic, Spiritual Pain,Unnatural Signet, Power Drain, Leech Signet, Chaos Storm, Cry of Frustration, and Complicate. You can switch out complicate for a rez or something. 9 FC 12 Dom 9 Insp Monk/Mesmer- Leech Signet, Power Drain, Healer's Boon, Orison of Healing, Resurrection Chant, Patient Spirit, Healing Seed, and Vigorous Spirit. 8 Insp. 12 Heal, 10 Divine. Ranger/Necro- Incendiary Arrows, Poison Arrows, Savage shot, D-shot, Lightning Reflexes, Rez Sig, Blood Ritual, and Needling Shot. Rez and BR are changeable. 12 Wild 10 Expertise 8 Marksman 2 Blood. Alternates: Ritualist- Signet of Spirits, Bloodsong, Pain, Destruction, Spirit Boon Strike, Painful Bond, Protective was Kaolai, Splinter Weapon and Draw Spirts. 12 Channeling 10 Spawning 8 Resto. Give time to setup if tough group is in way. Not entirely sure if it uses draw spirit on its own. Elementalist- Sandstorm, Ward against foes, Ward against Melee, GoLE, Earth attune, Earthquake, ReZ, Eruption or Ebon Hawk. More of a Defensive Build. 12 earth 12 Energy

--The Emmisary 21:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Help with solo?

I've tried on normal and hard mode with H/H. All my heroes suck. I'm a Ranger, and almost all my elites are ranger skills. What should I do? >.< --InfamousMyzt|

Get better heroes and use a scythe/daggers. 98.248.90.248 02:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly man? you Have a couple options, pull together a Ritualist build using channeling and communing, then spirit spam your way through, or =) put runes on your heros, that helps ALOT if you need builds you could try PVX wiki builds (though honestly I am not a fan of said web based builds). Rogueonion 05:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

well little late but happen to find that using a panic mesmer was a really hot idea. even though they cure those hexes fast it still nice to see about 14-18 little !! near the door ways. ----torqueblue 21:49 UTC 4/23/2012

Notes

I think the note that says take care when dying is a little redundant, As it does work to wipe the entire party res then run a much shorter distance to the end, and who seriously does not "take care" when dying I mean really? Whoops the previous unsigned comment was made by me Rogueonion 16:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Attack him from behind

Found it was much easier to go around behind the hill Ally is on and pull him back from there, he paths away from his buddies. Had heavy interrupts, just focused on him and his guards were too busy with the minions to notice.

Glitch

I cannot obtain this quest after completing the riverside assassination. Google -> GW Guru showed my Im not the only one and apparently it is a glitch that came with the update. Any solutions? 83.160.29.246 21:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC) Jake

I also cant get it either. Not sure why.. Richard

I had the same problem. I had to get the war in kryta quest from Murro? I think. Because that quest didn't exist when the content was first added. After I did that guy's quest, I had to do the three wanted quests again, and then went straight back to A little help from above.