Talk:Evennia

The leader or a leader?

Is there any conclusive evidence that Evennia actually outranks the other members of the Shining Blade Inner Council? -- Gordon Ecker 08:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

After the death of Saidra and the betrayal of Markis, I'd think she was the only member of the Inner Council left, but then Hayda's article mentions something about someone called Bartholos. --Santax (talk · contribs) 08:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, let me rephrase the question, is there any evidence that Evennia actually outranked the other living members of the Shining Blade Inner Council during the Prophecies campaign? -- Gordon Ecker 00:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

During Seeking the Seer, Onar Ironblood refers to her as the Shining Blade's leader. Tedium 03:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The last member?

Is she really the last member? What about Livia in GWEN? Mechu95 18:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

it does say only confirmed member.. so maybe there are tons that survived just not confirmed Zachariah Zuan 21:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that note should be changed. Thanks to the new end-game area, we know that Evennia gave up her position to Bartholos. Thus, at the end of Prophecies, she's no longer even a member of the Shining Blade, and Bartholos is the only confirmed member of the Shining Blade Inner Council. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 22:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Tattoo

Where can I find a good picture of the tattoo on her back? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:67.182.240.98 (talk).

Just go to the outpost for the Iron Mines of Moladune mission. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 22:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hero

Anyone else think she'd make a great Monk Hero? if we all agree then Anet may update her into becoming a Hero Zachariah Zuan 16:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I highly doubt Evennia would become a hero. 24.233.254.51 21:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I hope that she doesn't become a hero. Besides the fact that she is with the Royal Family after the events of Prophecies, we don't need a fourth Monk hero, it would be completely pointless. If any new heroes are added, they need to be Mesmer, Assassin, Ritualist, and Paragon. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 22:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

it's better than making Master Togo a Hero...i'm not gonna spoil also I recommended a few more people for Hero status in the Hero article including Nika check it anyway http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Hero Zachariah Zuan 15:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Plus it'd kinda throw of the storyline making a character like that a hero. 24.233.254.51 21:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Dialogue with Ebon Vanguard

Can anybody record the dialogue with the ebon vanguard outside eotn? When I had the dialogue I wasn't aware that nobody had written it here yet, so I forgot to record it. And it is quite essential to the storyline of the war in kryta after all. Symphy 10:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It is on both the Gwen and Thackeray and the War in Kryta dialogues page. 217.237.68.98 12:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah well, I added it now, didn't realize it was on those pages. Didn't check the Gwen and Thackeray one, and must have missed it looking through the War in Kryta page. Anyways, it's there now. Symphy 12:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Missing

I probably should have thought to check for her before slaying Koril, but now Evennia is gone from the Krytan encampment outside of Ascalon. -Yossitaru 03:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Adelbern finally seeing her? Sardaukar 07:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Nope. im up to date on WiK and she is indeed still there.--Neil2250 07:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Have you done Temple of the Intolerable? She's missing for me as well, and I checked after I did the quest. Sardaukar 07:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah no, i was just about to head off and do that >_< so we can cofirm after that quest she goes missing?--Neil2250 08:01, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't check before I did the quest, but comparing what you've done and what I've done, that seems to be the case. Sardaukar 08:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I think we could do some quick looks around the other Ascalon outposts in case she was getting frustrated waiting on the King, but didn't go home, because I did check over at Lion's Arch and the Shining Blade Camp. If she's nowhere to be found, we can probably submit this as a bug. If no reports come in, I can do the check myself in a few hours since I'll be getting to bed really shortly here. -Yossitaru 08:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't find her anywhere around Ascalon's outposts, nor any mention of her by any of the NPCs. So, she's either been accidentally removed from the world, or mursaat came along and took her away, and no one cares. -Yossitaru 19:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I have a strange feeling shes in the shiverpeeks somewhere...--Neil2250 19:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

My guess is that’s she’s received an audience with Adelbern and that she’ll reappear when Adelbern gives his decision on whether to support Salma or not. Sardaukar 09:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Still Missing

After the last WiK quest, Livia tells you that "Evennia has gone missing in Ascalon". What the hell happened? — Poki#3 (talk) 22:18, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

That's the mystery of it all. Was it Zain, whom we saw Evennia doing /shakefist at? Or was it King Adelbern? Perhaps it was the charr or natural wildlife of the area. Maybe she found something and has been unable to send reports to Kryta? We don't know. o.o -- Konig/talk 22:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

It did strike me as odd that Zain was still there when Evennia was added. Unless he's just some incredibly useless message runner, it doesn't make sense that Dorian just left him there for all those years to talk at the still staying Ascalonians. I guess Isaiah's not calling him back for the war confirms him as being just plain forgotten. He's probably been left entirely out of the loop and just thinking "Why's that crazy woman shaking her fist at me?" -Yossitaru 02:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Well I see two reasons for keeping him there: 1) He's a quest NPC (he gives and is involved with quests, so shouldn't be removed unless you're removing the quests). 2) Dorian could of easily kept him there until Dorian's death, they were always trying to spread the faith of the Unseen Ones. As to why Isaiah kept him there... who knows. Maybe Isaiah didn't know or didn't care. Isaiah was a poor leader anyways. -- Konig/talk 02:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

He could be removed for people who already did the quests. Ramei Arashi 04:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

She was kidnapped by the Canthan assassin that gave Zinn the sabotaged golem cores! The assassin will demand a ransom and the PCs will enter Cantha to stop him once and for all, save Evennia, and prevent the assassin's guild from killing the emperor and destroying the capital. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds pretty solid. Is that for real or just a theory? How do you know he was Canthan? --Musha 02:20, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Revert

The quotes that were removed only contain information that was already integrated into the article. We need to stop this trend of having pages on important NPC's and locations that are basically just lists of quotes. Something like this (obviously without the big ugly blockquote at the top) would be preferable, since it prevents duplicate information. And as for the "learn to House of Style" thing, there's not been a real agreement on using lowercase race names on GWW. I'm of the view that using GW2 style rules for GWW just creates a confusing inconsistency between new/important pages and the thousands of old/minor pages that won't be updated. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

There's no need for additional information if all that's necessary to note is in the quote though. While having a quote for what the person said is rather redundant (like the WiK NPCs that were on the website), but having quotes is not a bad thing in the least. In fact, I prefer having quotes - of both outpost descriptions and out of the manual or website. Now note that I think something like this is unnecessary, as it just quotes from an item in the game. But it isn't pointless nor redundant. So I'm not against it.

As to the House of Style - it only makes sense to document pages how they would be with proper English - human isn't capitalized so why should skale, mursaat, charr, etc.? The only time they should be capitalized is via documenting dialogues and quotes. For the old articles, they can be edited when they're updated (that's what I do), or if people who know of said house of style goes to them. -- Konig/talk 01:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Because they're capitalized in-game. If by "House of Style" you mean the article on Anets blog, then that applies to Guild Wars 2 (there's too much text in GW1 to retrofit, and too many articles on this wiki to do the same.) — Poki#3 (talk) 21:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

For a time (beginning of the WiK - mostly the stuff in EN with Thackeray/Gwen), race names were lowercase - but they seem to be capitalizing them again. And we can take the dialogues and other things which are copied verbatim as capitalized, but lowercase the non-copied stuff. -- Konig/talk 22:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

They probably started capitalizing them again because they didn't want to create such an inconsistency within their own game. Which is what will happen here if we suddenly decide that thousands of pages across the wiki need to be changed. We keep the wiki consistent with the game. --Santax (talk · contribs) 08:29, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Fine, capitalize races and professions. But on the quotations (why did you remove it again as per the talk page when there is no consensus? Only us two commented and we're in disagreement), we should keep them. I kept the first one removed since that one is rather pointless, but the description one is not. -- Konig/talk 21:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I've summed up my thoughts here. Why have a quote if everything the quote says can be included in the article? It's ugly, repetitious and lazy. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, well, that's the GW2Wiki, not the GWW. Also, there's still no consensus on what to do with them. -- Konig/talk 22:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

It's the GW2Wiki, so my thoughts on using the quotation template are invalid? Right. Are you actually going to address the argument? --Santax (talk · contribs) 06:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

That's not what I meant. I meant that arguments over there are for discussions over there. But whatever, I'm not the one who practically redirected the discussion elsewhere - to a place, I might add, which was not discussing the topic. To which I responded in said elsewhere. So please, do not call me out on not addressing the discussion. -- Konig/talk 07:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I like having the quotes. It gives a bit of "inarguable" flavor to the article and can sum things up nicely sometimes. Manifold 15:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Since it belongs here more than where it was posted, in response to "As for the quotations, yes, I don't like the way the quotation template looks, but it's also the fact the quotes become outdated and are often inaccurate. Since the content technically property of ANet despite being on the wiki, we could just integrate it into the article and keep it updated (so if a character dies, change present tense to past tense etc.) as long as we add {{arenanet article2}} or something so that other websites know not to direct copy-and-paste from it." Changing the tense of an article is stupid. Should we make everything about Rurik past tense? What about Saidra, Togo, Shiro, Abaddon, and everyone else who dies in the game? They are still alive when someone starts the game, and in some cases (Langmar) when they finish but then the NPC dies off-screen in end-game content. The quotations do not become outdate because they are about things in a certain time. Should we replace the first quotation about Ascalon - from the Prophecies manual - with that of the EN manual and only have one? Certainly not! We cannot deny the existence of things that happened in the past and only document things as they stand in known lore. If we did that, we might as well remove all lore from this wiki and move it to the gw2wiki and discuss things here as it will be in GW2's time. Something, by the way, that would be idiotic (though I am not completely opposed to it, as it would make lore searching and documenting easier since it would be in one place - but that would deter from the purpose of the two wikis).

The issue, if there is any true issue aside from personal taste (and sometimes this has to be ignored in order to provide a good documentation) lies simply with the template. Removing it shouldn't be done, changing it, however, is a viable option. As is how it is used. -- Konig/talk 04:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

where is she in Old Ascalon?

I can't find here to get the dialogue. I've done the scene outside the Eye. NVM turns out you have to get Vanguard in keep scene first. Ramei Arashi 01:38, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess she's not anymore in there,she disappeared and probably will be revealed in futre GW:Beyond updates. --86.111.99.139 13:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

A moment of Silence

She was nice, she was kind, she was smart, her duty to the shining blade will be remembered, we will miss our Luminous Monk friend Zachariah Zuan. 13:30, 15 April 2015 (UTC)