Talk:Meek Shall Inherit

Sounds awesome

This Flux sounds great. I hope it or something like it is actually used one month. --Combatter 21:27, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

It's most likely going to be the Flux in March. --Silver Edge 21:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

This might also give +2 to the primary attribute of the secondary profession, since the descriptions say "all attributes" instead of "all of the secondary attributes" like in Hidden Talent. --Silver Edge 04:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok, so this is apparently already active, even though I haven't gotten the new build yet and it's still February (yay leap day!). First of all, it doesn't give +2 to the primary attribute of the secondary procession, and second of all, it doesn't appear to take effect until you zone after changing your build. In other words: I logged in and went to the gh on my Dervish, who had a build that (of course) included an elite. When I removed the elite from the build, the flux effect did not kick in. However, when I zoned to the zaishen menagerie then back into the gh (with the elite still removed from my bar), I then recieved the health/energy regeneration and attribute bonuses. To test it, I then, without moving, put the elite back onto my bar. I retained the regeneration and bonuses until I mapped out and back in. Very odd. Ailina 02:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

so if you echo a nonelite will you get this bonus because you have no elites on your skill bar?--Cactus 02:38, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I've just tested it and no, you do not get the bonus when you use Echo followed by another skill. Conversely, you maintain the bonus if you cast Arcane Mimicry on ally with an elite when you have no other elite. I will add this as a note to the page. --Combatter 08:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh someone beat me to it! --Combatter 08:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

B-but it's not march yet! 66.41.71.33 03:14, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Tell that to the GW game client. Funny how the leap year extra day is not taken into account. Had a local banking service bug out cause of this 'glitch'. Y2K v2.0? -Wrei110.175.241.56 04:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The Flux always changes at 0:00 UTC on the first of every month without requiring an update. Your comments were posted on "1 March 2012 (UTC)", so the Flux had changed at the correct time (even though it might still be 29 February where you live). --Silver Edge 05:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Yet another flux that seems somewhat geared to making Paragons more competitive (seems they have mostly useless Elite skills anyway). Just do the Paragon update instead Anet, instead of these concellation fluxes. 82.11.226.30 12:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It is probably a way for them to see what would or wouldn't benefit them in a real update. There are plenty of other builds though which don't really rely on elites which might benefit. (WM)2.24.248.101 18:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

yeah, I can easily make Earth and Fire elementalists without an elite, for instance, the Savannah's Heat meta could just go with a high damage skill instead. Likewise, many domination and illusion Mesmers can live without an elite, as can Rangers. I don't think I could Monk or Rit without one though (not that I would ever bring Rit to PvP, except maybe HA or GvG, but I haven't done those in a while). I don't play enough front line PvP to know about melee classes. --Falseprophet 19:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Monks can go without an elite. Iv'e been using a Boonprot build and i'm pumping out large heals with a simple cast alone, protection doesn't require an elite either. Da Mystic Reaper 20:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Ritualists can go without an elite; if your not running a 3+ binding ritual-heavy build (no ST) or a 3+ weapon spell-heavy build (no SC). Ritualists-builds have always focused on weapon spell/item spell/binding ritual synergies and not reliant on any single elite unless a rit player is focused solely on a single aspect of this trinity at the expense of other two; and will thus need an elite to compensate for that loss of power. --Falconeye 21:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

My first thought was: monk-flux. Once upon a time (prophecies) monks only used elites as a form of utility. Even then, monking without elites was more or less possible. No elites were actually good, but most had unique utility instead. The same is actually true for elementalists and warriors. We have forgotten about that time...

With this flux, it should be possible to monk better, since healing/protting gets more benefit from attributes than damage, especially in the high regions and including DF. The other effects take away a little bit of utility stress allowing a non-elite defense to keep you alive. eg GolE combined with some earth protection, which used to be pretty common before meta shifted in factions.62.159.14.62 10:50, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Biblical reference

Is it bad that I know this because I saw the movie Constantine? :p Pastafarian Hunter 16:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

That's OK, I am Christian and I never heard about it :D InStars 16:58, 1 March 2012 --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.84.161.248 (talk).

Way to shove your religion into people's faces, Anet. Better get those kids to church where they can stay dumb. After all, you like dumb kids because they make you rich. Koda 20:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I though John is a follower of Haruhiïsm. Da Mystic Reaper 21:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

A videogame makes a reference to the Bible...suddenly, the creators are all Illuminati Christians....gg Koda 71.194.87.164 21:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't see what's wrong with the Biblical reference. There's plenty of decent literature within it, whether you are a believer or non-believer. 128.119.156.84 00:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Koda's just another evangelical atheist. Sardaukar 03:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

The worst kind of evangelist. And the worst kind of atheist. And the worst. FleshAndFaith 04:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

When it is unconstitutional to shove god in the classroom, you shove him into kids' games. What a dickless action. Children and religion should be kept as far away from each other as possible. Koda 16:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I fully agree with that. Da Mystic Reaper 16:45, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Since there are so many well-known meek quotes out there, they intentionally chose one to piss off atheists. Anyhow, this is getting out of hand and is not related to discussing changes to the article. --JonTheMon 17:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Being an atheist the name being a biblical reference does not piss me off at all. Religion of any sort often finds it's way into games trough quotes and references, this one isn't an exception. Ask yourself this how many people would actually know it is a sentence from the bible without the trivia, my gues it's about 1% of the people. Going back to the topic, the name sure does suit the effect :). Da Mystic Reaper 18:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

This isn't a kid's game. You have to be 18 to register an account to play, whether its for you or another person. Also, schools are allowed to mention material relevant to history and theory, even if it is religious. They aren't allowed to say "This religion is true, and lets learn why", but they are allowed to say, "This historical event was directly influenced by this religion". Grow up, if you are concerned about your kids (assuming you have them), try TALKING TO THEM instead of crying about a game. FleshAndFaith 23:40, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Lol, although I did know it from the Bible initially, my first thought when I hear it is always the lead-in lyric to The Temples of Syrinx by Rush 76.164.65.219 06:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Pretty sure I've heard of that biblic reference many times even tho I haven't a clue what 'book' or paragraph its from (probably in some episode of the Simpsons and various TV shows). If you haven't come across that reference by now you haven't lived long enough (or maybe the rest of us have lived too much lol). Not that I am defending religion, but at least some (not all) offer good ethical guidelines to live by. -Wrei110.175.241.56 22:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

So if its a good thing to quote on, how come there are no references to stoning fornicators to death? There are a lot of evil things in the book, yet people seem to only refer to the good things. 99.2.136.57 02:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Koda... Regardless of whether you believe in its claims and tenets, you must recognize that the Bible is one of the most influential pieces of literature in human history. If you can't see the difference between a harmless literary allusion and actual evangelism, good luck reading Shakespeare without having an aneurysm. Besides, the concept it references isn't even exclusively Christian; surely everyone can acknowledge the value of humility. redomen 19:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Humility? I always thought the verse was about bowing to the man so he could keep your ass down. I prefer the LaVeyan verse; "Blessed are the strong, for they shall inherit the earth!" But that one isn't nearly as memorable, probably because it's stating the obvious. The bible is so ingrained in the culture of most English-speaking countries that it's no longer all that religious to crib lines from it. It's the same way with Shakespeare, although the reasoning is different (he's dead and can't sue). –Jette 19:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Even if that's the intent, Christianity hardly has a monopoly on oppressing the little guy. By the way, it also bears mentioning that there's a host of other things in Guild Wars that are derived from the Bible and probably didn't upset you. Or how about Hinduism? Or Islam? redomen 20:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The game has plenty of stuff based on multiple religions and a quote that originates from the bible (Anet might as well have got it from somewhere else) isn't something you should be bothered with, when you compare it to an entire profession. Da Mystic Reaper 20:43, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

This is the first time Anet throws it right in your face. That is the problem. Keep your religion away from kids. And yes, the minimum age to play the game is 12, not 18 like someone in here said. Koda 20:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

So it would please you to have this special flux ability removed? Personally I don't like political or religious debates, but atheists scream the loudest and the longest. BTW checked out your page is it appropriate to have a political agenda on there? Censorship is a bad thing and I don't care if this skill said, "I worship Evil" or whatever. This is just a game Koda, don't make mountains out of mole hills.--Wendy Black 21:14, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Atheists are nothing compared to the screams of muslims (one bad word and you must die), followed by jews (one bad word and you are an anti-semetist). Da Mystic Reaper 22:59, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Ok, this is getting out of hand. Yes it's a reference to the bible. Section. Closed. --JonTheMon 23:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

You can close sections on this wiki ? --Yeen 17:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Technically, no. But you can revert anything posted by anyone in the most obnoxious manner possible, which is close enough. For some reason it's not considered a breach of that ridiculous revert rule, probably because no sysop is anal enough to enforce the rules in the name of inane religious "debate." –Jette 18:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it inane in this case. The situation as-is effectively allows some people to arbitrarily "get in the last word" - or at least, that's how people engaged in the discussion will see it. And, when it's no longer actively monitored, someone's going to resume it someday, and not necessarily the initial people. It seems like it would make more sense if someone volunteered to host it on their talk page, and the whole off-topic discussion were moved. MA Anathe 19:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Well we have the youtube comment section for intelligent religious debates don't we. I'm fine with this tbh. Yes I realize the irony of ignoring the endthread to say I agree with it. --Yeen 20:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Balthazar, the God of Fire and War; Dwayna, the Goddess of Life and Air (also the leader of the True Gods); Grenth, the God of Death and Ice; Lyssa, Twin Goddess of Beauty and Illusions; Melandru, Goddess of Nature and Earth; and Kormir, Goddess of Truth and Knowledge. all i can say about religion in this game is its all around you, games based on religions in one way or another, sorry if someone else pointed this out in the thread already but i couldnt see anything, dont wanna play a game with religion references of any kind in, dont play, no one is forcing you.Spark-TBa 16:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

oops didnt see the end thread comment :P sozSpark-TBa 16:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Woot! mending wars! xD

Also double degen weapons with vamparic strength can be used better now. First Samuel Il X 20:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, cuz so many people have double degen weapons lying around just for the day this flux took effect. ;p Good point about single vamp weapons though. I find it hard to believe a warrior will ever be an effective spellcaster in any regard, though. I wonder is there any spellcaster that would really be better off without their elite to take advantage of 1/3 of a point of energy per second? Two attribute points is pretty negligible compared to the benefits of the most popular elite skills. Physicals will rule March? --75.17.145.160 06:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I have several myself. elix Omni 10:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Slow clap for responding to the most sarcastic part of the comment. And no, most casters will like their elite skill over 1/3 energy per second and mending. Axe wars just got a hell of a lot more fun with a 16/13/10 split and a conjure. Vald [Citation Needed] 11:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Certain caster builds require an elite to work but others do not. A monk's boonprot build can function without elite as well can an ele's earth magic build function without an elite, it just depends on the build the caster is using. Da Mystic Reaper 12:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Also every build not built "arround" an Elite profits from the flux. Thinking about mesmers where most normal skills overpower Elite skills anyway. Given the +2 to all attributes, especially fast casting) it feels a lot stronger being a mesmer now.

The +2 to attributes is pretty significant and the energy regen is useful for a lot of builds. An example (albeit probably a fairly bad one) would be a Derv caster - higher armour, attributes on par with a primary caster, and Eremite's Zeal + regen for energy. Great for anything which needs a lot of energy but not an elite (works OK as an Assacaster). TBH, anything which uses elite energy management. 2.24.254.169 18:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The ones that profit the most of it are the ones that use an upkeep enchantment and the +15 energy -1 energy regeneration inscriptions. The 2 aditional attribute points can be quite significant but people look at the numbers to much so they don't notice, small point can and often do make the difference. Da Mystic Reaper 18:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I really do love this flux. My favorite proffesions are melee(also ranger) and the elite is usually just icing on the cake, but now you can get a lot of cupcakes instead of one cake. (attribute splitting)Also, I've been messing with mending, and i must say 6 regen is useful at times :P First Samuel Il X 05:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)