Talk:The Great Norn Alemoot

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Any one knows off requirements for this?

Didn't get it before doing Olaf's mission, did get it after. Backsword 10:37, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I did the mission together with my girlfriend. She got the quest. I didn't. And we have been playing everything of GW:EN together. So there seems to be some kind of bug. - Damadmoo 19:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Confirming same behaviour. When playing with a friend, after completing, Olaf's main quest, he got it and I didn't. We had almost synchronized our quests so it is either a bug or something completely different. - -- 22:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
You might to be a female character to get this quest, given the quests following this Celaeris 23:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I have done this on my warrior who is a male, so gender isn't a requirment :P --User Gummy Joe Sig Icon.PNGGummy Joe 23:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Any chance of getting free drunkard minutes out of this? -Ensign 02:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Nope, the title doesn't budge just like the tihark orchard misson :/--User Gummy Joe Sig Icon.PNGGummy Joe 09:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

BUG: You can go thru the teleporter to edge of maps

This quest is one of the most silly quest and hardest to do that i've never seen in Guild Wars I just can't do these three stupid pigs enter the right area in something like one minute. Boring as hell.

--- All who cant seem to get it from Olaf might try talking to Olrun Olafdottir neer Raven Point Biz 15:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Well this one of the dumbest quests Ive ever done. Would always mess up on the race part. But i found an easy bug to complete it after many many tries. Drink from each barrel 3 times at the beginning, then run the race, and finally herd the pigs. After i did this, it said i completed the quest, yet i never moved the kegs. Don't know if it will work for everyone, but it did for me. -Stewart

Only reason this seems stupid on the slalom is because you fail if you while running around a marker step further then the vertical boundary of next marker so you really gota do it right, those "bugs" can be intentional considering this is drinking challenge and sepose to fully blind you at high detail. Biz 11:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Has nobody thought to simply turn post-processing effects off yet? --Santax (talk · contribs) 11:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
If you drink form the barrels 3 times at the beginning you don't even need to run the race, just herd the pigs in. -Eric
That's what I did. It tried to do it right, but it was too frustrating. I couldn't figure out the slalom; since it was never successful I don't even know which side I was supposed to start from. The time is tight even if you know what you're doing and you brought a speed boost, but the quest doesn't give you even the slightest hint about what you're doing until the timer has started! I wanted to do the quest without reading the wiki first since it sounded like it might be fun, but found myself thrust into a situation with little instruction and a 2-minute countdown timer. Bcstingg 18:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I drank twice, ran the kegs, drank twice, started the slalom from the bottom, drank twice and then herded the pigs and finished the quest the normal way. I noticed that the pigs herded much easier this way than trying when I tried to skip a step.

I got drunk before starting (1 spiked eggnog) started to herd the pigs, completed before drunkenness expired. Worked out in no time. EG

Quest giver[edit]

I suspect Female chars get this from Olaf, and male chars from Olrun. Can anyone confirm ore refute this? Backsword 20:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

My Male char only gotten quests from Olrun. Biz 11:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Post Process Effects[edit]

Ok I did this quest and embaressingly I had trouble without a running skill and failed herding pigs while uber drunk. Obviously intended, but I had an idea. On gthe Flask of Firewater page it says, "Note: Your screen will not change if your Post Process effects are off," does this apply to this quest? If it does it will probably be removed, although it probably doesn't as this isn't 'real alcohol' in the quest either. Dancing Gnome 04:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Post processing is better be off for this quest =) Biz 08:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


A guildie told me she did this quest once and without doing any of the conditions, she waited 10 seconds (she was confused) and then talked to the quest NPC again and she was rewarded for completing the quest. This didn't happen to me though so Maybe it was fixed or maybe something else triggered her victory, she said she didn't move though. Dancing Gnome 04:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

If you could get me a solid repro on this, that would be great. Until then, I don't think a bug should be on this page based on hearsay that "sometimes the quest just completes itself" - User Linsey Murdock sig.jpgLinsey talk 23:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Bugged for me, I when to practice pig herding before I started it, completed itself when I got 1 pig inside. Dyslexicon 09:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
It takes 3 pigs, not one, so 2 must have gone in without you noticing. It has been well-known for awhile now that if you don't talk to Sif, you can complete the quest by simply herding the pigs. Pucktrapper 00:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
After roughly 5-10 minutes of "Here, piggy-piggy-piggy" and lots of body-blocking, I managed to herd three piggies inside, and while I hadn't spoken to Sif Shadowhunter yet about the quest, I could accept the reward from Olrun Olafdottir anyway, even though Sif still had the arrow above her head xD Paddymew 16:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

This bug is still active, as I just did the little piggy herding. Got all three pigs into the kennel and I completed the quest.

I experienced the same thing more or less. Before talking to the NPCs I practised slalom and the quest was complete.

FYI - I completed this quest without doing anything at all. Approx. sequence of events (I wasn't expecting a bug, so didn't put effort into tracking it.):

I spoke to Olrun, accepted Defend the Breach, and completed it.

Afterward, Olrun appeared outside the entrance to Raven's Point. I collected my reward, and then accepted the Alemoot quest and traveled to the alemoot.

I joined the alemoot, spoke to Sif w/o first speaking to Olrun. Got generic text. I don't remember if I spoke to Olrun at that point, but I did not accept any tasks from her. I then map traveled to Olafstead and quit the game.

The next time I logged in, I eventually went back to Olafstead and went out to meet Olrun in her accustomed spot. Instead of offering to take me back to the alemoot, she instead congratulated me and gave me the quest reward. 08:47, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Order of Requirements[edit]

Ok someone said you can drink from the barrel many times to trigger the second drinking event, does this mean you can also herd three pigs before starting the quest while sobre and then once you fulfill the other two requirements you pass? Dancing Gnome 04:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Pigs don't react to you before you start the counter. Biz 08:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
They don't but you can bodyblock them into the pen (be sure that the pigs' movement-routes away from the pen are blocked, keeping the routes into the pen as their only option). After this, you can just collect the quest reward (without even starting it). --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).
Seconded. I body-blocked three pigs into the pen before starting, and the quest was finished right after I had begun. It took ~5 minutes, but was a lot less frustrating than the quest proper. --Threid Threid's talk page 18:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
This quest must be full of bugs. I just tried to do it like 10 times and failed, mostly because the slalom didn't detect the first flag half of the time, so I gave up and mapped out to olafstead to switch my build from N/R to N/W. When I made it back to Olrun, instead of a quest dialog, I got a quest reward with Feel No Pain, so somehow the quest actually completed itself >_>"... KageSennin 16:45, 10 April 2010
HAHAHA!!!! if you just spend five minutes herding the pigs, then the quest will just do itself. but it takes 10 minutes if ur body blocking them:)
How the hell can you possibly body block the pigs? I've been trying for at least 25 minutes because it's way too laggy for me to complete it otherwise and the pigs just don't do a damn thing, they just sit there and smell my feet. 13:16, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Different Professions[edit]

Somehow I don't think this quest is compatible with certain professions. I can't do it on my Monk at all - I've tried Mo/W with "Charge!" and Mo/R with Storm Chaser, Tactics and Wilderness Survival at 12 respectively - and at best I get 58 seconds to attempt to round up unresponsive pigs, or the pigs respond but quest doesn't update. Ally said to take nothing but run skills, but I don't get anything beyond additional speed - and I still run out of time. I get the impression after countless tries that the quest is somehow bugged or not working as intended because no matter what I try, my Monk cannot complete it. Any suggestions, or ideas if the quest is in fact bugged? Nbajammer User Nbajammer sig.jpg 04:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Splitting Into Male & Female Articles[edit]

Against – I don't think this is necessary, as it is not listed in the Quest Log as male or female, and just means more clicking in the wiki wasting our time. I would prefer to keep the article as is. josəph 20:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

A split is totally unnecessary. The quests are too similar. Just put in the differences.
Yeah. Completely unncesary. The differences are almost only in dialogs. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 02:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree, differences are minimal at best. Not worth the extra space; the article has it covered as is. If there were more differences I'd support this, but there just aren't.Miss Innocent 02:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Diffculty Level is too High[edit]

Anyone agree with me? Done25 20:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

What? It's just running around while drunk. The only moderately difficult task is herding the pigs. --Valshia 20:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Turn off the post processing and get some solid run speed boost while controlling your movement manually and its not hard enough.~But really secondary quests can be as hard as it gets with no real effect on overall game. Biz 21:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Everything other than the pig gathering is easy. I have about 1:15 on the clock when I get to the pigs...I can never manage to get the last pig in before the time expires though... Done25 15:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Struck lucky tonight, the quest spawned with a pig already in the pen, so only 2 actual pigs to herd in. I suppose if you're having trouble, you could get into the area and see if there's a pig or two in the pen before starting the whole quest sequence... If not, /resign and restart... BramStoker (talk, contribs) 19:15, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
idd this quest is to difficult.
I despise this quest. Only do it for the skill. It's buggy and I've only ever gotten it by luck. Only quest in the game that makes turn it off and walk away. c0c0c0
I guess there's a reason for the 15k xp reward? ;) — Galil Talk page 03:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I think whoever gets that little far into GW:EN doesn't really give a damn to xp. :S - Lud 13:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I failed on my only few attempts, but I haven't really put much effort into it. They never think I'm going far enough around the posts; I seem to cut it too close every time.Miss Innocent 02:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
F*** THIS QUEST. Herding 3 pigs in under a minute is ridiculously hard. And you can't drink fromt he barrels more than once each time so that's not even helpful. --Anon.
I tried it once and did it in my first ever go. What is annoying is that I then tried it on another char and found that the bit where you have to run around like your in a slalom race is bugged and that if you run past on the correct side of the thing but too close to it, you still end up failing which is somewhat annoying. However i found the pig hearding bit rather easy, just take lots of speed buffs and turn off post processing. -- Salome User salome sig.png 16:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
You can't run to close to next set of poles or you will fail. Biz 08:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Herding the pigs is based too much on luck. I have a question? Is it even possible to finish this quest without cheating (turning off post processing)?? The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) at 11:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC).
Well, the oldschool people who crawled all over presearing completing every quest they found allready had loads of Pig herding practice, plus nothing says that turning off postprocessing is cheating there are loads of people who can't play with out lag with it, and most other just hate the glow effect and turn it off because of that. Biz 15:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Nothing says that turning off drunken effects on a quest designed to be done while drunk is cheating? What? I mean , mine are almost always off anyway from questing drunk and I don't intend to attempt this with them on since it's all glitched out anyway, but...let's not try to pretend it's not cheating lol.

OK FINALLY!! BEFORE TAPPING SIR SHADOWHUNTER to start the quest, herd 3 pigs into the big stone pen and then get reward from Olaf Olafson, who will appear next to Sir Shadowhunter. Again, do not tap Sir Shadowhunter. It took me at about 30 minutes to get the 3 pigs in the pen, a real tough task, but i finally got them in. - Jagawa

Indeed, u can round up 3 pigs before starting the quest and that somehow finishes the entire thing. Thanks for the tip. --Czarphanguye 21:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
LOL "BEFORE TAPPING SIR SHADOWHUNTER" 1. its Sif 2. Tapping? sounds wrong in so many ways--Crazyejackson715 18:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd tap her for a quest any day. I fail to see how she can be mistaken for a sir, though. (Bladecutter 15:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC))

Tried this, not luck. The pigs don't react at all, they just move around randomly. Tried just herding them without talking to Sif - no luck, the pigs just wander. Tried drinking from both kegs first, still no reaction from the pigs. Any suggestions? -- 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Wohoo!!! Its do-able before even starting the mission. Even though those ---- piggys dont react when not started mission, its still doable with some body-blocking (and alot of patience(and luck)). Got 1 when spawned and 2 got pushed in.

Completely lost[edit]

I've attempted this mission about 20 times, and I always fail at the part where you have to run the track or w/e. Are we not supposed to go by the center? Because every time I get close to center, i fail. It's like the dot on my map is my fail point. I've also attempted to put the piggies in the pen before talking to Sif, but the Pigs don't let me body block them, they walk through me half the time. I've got a Character that has almost all the EotN PvE skills, but Im completely stuck on this one, half makes me want to quit >.< Any other tips would be appreciated, greatly!-- 10:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
The slalom markers have a pointer on one side. That is the side you have to curve around the marker, not a straight line through the center of the markers. The path is designed to be quite snaky and not trivial. For me, finding the right starting point was not straightforward. 14:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sex Change[edit]

I, like many others, bought an extreme makeover kit, thus changing my sex. I happened to do this while the quest was still in my inventory, and it seems that I have to do the quest twice to actually move on to the later norn skills quests. :s Here's an image with proof. I have both 'Feel No Pain' and also the quest still in my quest log.Link Of The Desert 09:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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Just Impossible when you have more then 500ping[edit]

im laggin really much, i rubberband too much for the running part and if i make it those piggy's always get stuck or i rubberband past them HELP ME! No need anymore, used spirit wall to herd em in

Out of bounds glitch[edit]

you can walk past the portals when your doing this quest and end up on the edge of the map (sadly not at the right angle to see drakkar under the ice) screen here

you can also run thought the boundry to sifhalla where its completely deserted. (keep forgettign to sign) Chaos Beserker 20:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Edge of the World?[edit]

What exactly do they mean by this? If anyone could provide a screen shot, that would be great. --Leet Tankur 03:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

It means where there is normally to in game space it cuts off to nowhere. - Giant Nuker 14:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Bug: pigs don't start running[edit]

Sometimes the pigs don't start running when you approach them. 07:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I just did this on my paragon and I was using Fall Back and Incoming. This was a great build for the pigs because it speeds them up too! Just a small recommendation for any paragons out there. 21:19, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Completed it with only 2 pigs[edit]

I did it without talking to Sif or drinking anything. Getting the first 2 pigs in wasn't that hard, but the 3rd one would NEVER enter. It wouldn't even approach the entrance. After a while however the quest said I completed it, even though I never got a third one side. Previously Unsigned 09:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Pigs not responding at all[edit]

I can't get the pigs into the enclosure. They just walk past me and ignore all my attempts. :( What should I do? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) at 11:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC).

I'm having the same problem. The pigs just walk around like normal, even during the timed portion of the quest. If this bug/glitch/whatever doesn't get fixed I'll never beat this stupid quest. Good going A-Net. 13:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Bring spirits in your build; they can help with body blocking.
The pigs definitely behave differently during the timed portion of the quest, so it's not bugged/glitched/whatevered. (The main difference is that, after the timer starts, the pigs will bounce off you, so you can point them in the opposite direction...which is exactly how herding works.) If you are having trouble, keep rezoning until you see that some of the pigs are already in (or at least close to) the pen. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 15:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Bug? Completed the quest without starting the challenge[edit]

I tried the quest a couple of times yesterday. After failing to finish the challenge about 5-6 times due to a bit of lag and not being able to get the pigs in, i tried to herd all the pigs in before i began. One had already spawned in there, and 2 were real close and practically walked right up to the entrance, so i blocked them a bit and they went in. This triggered the quest reward, and registered the other previous bits as already done because of my previous attempt. Anyone else experience this? --Burning Freebies 20:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

It's listed under pig-herding tips and as a bug under Notes. Perhaps the phrasing is unclear and, if so, perhaps you could suggest an alternative (or edit it yourself).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 21:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I added another bug at the end-hope its ok. Change if it you want--Burning Freebies 11:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
By itself, it's fine. However, it's basically the same bug/anomaly as what's already listed on the page. I've tried to combine them; take a look to make sure you think it will help the next person avoid (or exploit ^-^) it.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, thats better than mine. Thanks, --Burning Freebies 18:17, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
[reset indent] Not sure what, if anything, has been changed since the previous set of posts, but I just did this thing for the first time, in 9 minutes. What I noticed is that if you get too close to a piggy, it'll teleport through you rather than move away (don't know if this is some patch code added to make pre-herding harder or if this is always the way it was). It won't, however, do this is you're not too close--about two of your body-widths seems about enough. Though it's (still) a pain, herding these little b*stards doesn't seem all that hard as long as you do your best not to let them TP through you while they're facing away from the pen--the usual thing you'd be doing, i.e. bodyblocking them from moving away--as they'll end up even farther from the pen. In addition to finessing them closer to the pen the "normal" way, I also worked to induce them to TP through me while they were facing the pen since they seem to want to move into you more than they want to move away. In any event, I completed the quest without talking to anyone beforehand, so this trick remains viable to avoid the extra rage via the legit approach. Kruhljak (talk) 13:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


What is fun about this, what is useful about this,

Note to Dev, Look Travis we are all sorry Old Yeller Died and you Miss those lovely days you spent together herding pigs or cats; but your a programmer now, you could have spent the time Fixing Aliesha or something useful, but no! Its a damn shame this Stupid Chore is necessary to collect a good and useful skill; but it is a stupid chore, so if you got any other Herding games in mind for GW2 Forget them. Ren Hort -- 05:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Festive Norn Merchant[edit]

The Festive Norn closest to Olrun Olafdottir acts as a merchant in this area. I don't know if anyone's ever noticed this before. I have a screenshot if it's needed. Blue Totoro 07:05, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a screenshot, but at least one other Festive Norn in the area is a merchant as well. They have standard Norn merchant lists. Blue Totoro 07:06, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Clarification on use of 'bug' to complete without timer[edit]

I just added a bit to the bug section, as having just done this quest in a leisurely and less frustrating way, after repeatedly failing, usually around on the slalem, I felt a little clarification was needed, as the bug section didn't state clearly that you don't need to even start the timer. Hope that's okay. Forgot my login :/ ~Lya

I dislike this quest[edit]

The M'er F'er who designed this quest needs to burn in a lake of fire for all eternity. When running the damn slalom, half the time it won't count my 3rd turn. Seriously? WTF?!?! The GD pigs do not move when you block them, except when they travel THROUGH you!!! Otherwise they stand still, sometimes standing in the middle of a fence! You move to one side, and *BLINK* they are five meters behind you (my ping is, at worst 70)! I need an extra 30 skill points just for having tried this abomination of a quest! -- 21:19, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

try the suggested 'don't actually do the quest' way. Once ur in don't talk to the npc just go and herd pigs. Once u get 3 in the pen it will complete and since you don't actually 'start' you have infinite time. It's annoying to do but better than the alternative of actually doing the quest. Signet of Spirits is really useful for herding since it adds 3 more body blockers. I'll also add I once went into the quest to do the 'herd pigs' method and went to go eat dinner and forgot about going back. After dinner I watched a movie. After the movie I went back by my pc and found that at some point 3 pigs must have made it in the pen. Durp da durp (talk) 22:02, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, kind sir! I shall try that soon, if not tonight. -- 20:45, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Just remember the pigs are even more annoying to herd this way, but, try leaving it afk and u might get lucky. Sometimes the pigs spawn closer to the pen than others so don't be afraid to just start it over until you get an easier spawn.Durp da durp (talk) 21:07, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

You sir, have saved my sanity! It took way too long, but that method worked like a charm! I cannot thank you enough! Many blessings be unto you... (I'm drunk, but the thanks are real!)!