User talk:Auron/Archive 17

This is an archive of my talk page from 10 February 2010 to 8 May 2010. Please don't edit it; leave comments and messages on my talk page.

98.150.161.251

Can you convince me this isn't you? CheckUser says it is. —Tanaric 00:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Even if it were him, who cares? -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 04:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

because we all know Auron never ever uses IPs or alt accounts solely for trolling or disruption. Vili 点 04:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Probably not. CheckUser is god, after all. -Auron 10:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not, which is why I'm asking instead of just blocking you on principle and RfR-ing. —Tanaric 16:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

lol Auron dunno he has to proxy since checkuser. -Cursed Angel 17:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm hoping this has been resolved either on IRC or via some form of private chat, however for the sake of transparency and to put this issue to bed, I'm assuming that Auron has established that he was not the IP in question? It's just leavig this issue unresolved like this on Auron's talk page, does kinda lead to a lack of community faith in a sysop, thus the sooner this is seen to be resolved the better. -- Salome 02:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Help me out here, Salome. What part of the community here seems to care? -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 03:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused as to how it matters in any way at all that Auron sometimes doesn't log in/logs out to make a few pointless edits. It' not like he's vandalizing or doing anything he wouldn't do when logged in. 98.248.90.248 03:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

He can't be auron. 71.141.243.123 04:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

...bro, that's the IP that posted directly above you. Not the one in question at all. elix Omni 04:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Aha lol 71.141.243.123 04:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, since I was thrown under the bus and made the target of a very public witch hunt, in which Auron was a player, for admitting to (in IRC even though it really wasn't so much of an admission as sharing a memory since everyone else who had been in IRC on the night in question had also participated in this "trolling") one minor instance of trolling with a sock puppet and being a little crabby with the same user, I guess I would like to see this publicly resolved here. The double standards that are being expressed by some of you when it comes to what is "appropriate" behavior for a sysop is mind boggling. -- Wyn talk 04:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm actually pretty sure that was just Xeeron being nuts. -Auron 04:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Only if you've been fooling yourself that the wiki hasn't worked under the "good ol' boy" system for the past forever. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 04:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

If that was "minor" then I'd love to know what the current allegations are... Vili 点 05:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, believe me... I know all about the "good ol' boy" system. Give me a break Vili.. did you even check the contribs of my Lacky sock? If that's not minor, I don't know what to call it. And you are really one to talk considering the outrageous sock puppeting you have done here since your arrival. -- Wyn talk 05:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Bros and bras, let's not turn this into a flame war, or Reggie's gonna come along and archive it. elix Omni 05:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The contrib wasn't what mattered and you know it. It's the, how would you say? Complicity? The mere act of creating the sock(s) itself. Like crazy Xeeron would say, the fact that as a sysop you chose to aid and abet the trolls was disappointing at best. Most people would agree that what Lacky was doing was not intelligent, but it could have been stopped in much less hurtful ways. Calling your choice of actions "minor" compared to whatever henious things Auron's supposed IP posted just makes me question what you do and do not find reprehensible, is all. As for "double standards and witch hunts", I am going to have to consider that little more than a wish to get back at those that hurt you, because to me the two situations do not seem very similar either in severity or in context. (Of course I'm biased, but so are you and everyone else in this thread - hardly anyone is dispassionately disinterested when it comes to Auron.)

I will also leave you with a rhetoric tip: "one to talk" is of no relevance whatsoever to the truth or falseness of my statements. I would also point out as an aside that I am not a sysop on this wiki...and that despite my "outrageous" sockpuppeting, no one has ever once bothered to complain about it or ban me for it on wiki. (Except incidentally through ipblocks. Unlike Ariyen I am too technologically illiterate to proxy.) Vili 点 05:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Wyn; the lacky thing was one minor facet of a torrent of complaints about your behavior. Let me stress the minor part. I was on your "witch hunt" as much as you were on all of mine, but I didn't mention the lacky thing once, because it didn't matter at all. Only someone who had been living under a rock was taken aback by it, and compared to some of the other shit you've done, it was a really nothing to bitch about.

You weren't thrown under a bus because of the Lacky incident. You were thrown under a bus because of your behavior for the past X months. The lacky thing was barely worth mentioning, and certainly didn't concern me at all. -Auron 05:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Really, the only people that cared about the Lacky thing were the people who didn't want to look at the real issues.

Said issues have been going on for quite some time, but in fairness, there are other sysops with the same issues. Don't feel singled, out, Wyn! That's the way to let the trolls win, and we can't allow that on GWW.

Thanks! -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 05:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

@ armond You are pretty bad at copying Nuklear, please learn hao2trol better. Pika Fan 11:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

@Wyn the way you handle things are wrong (PC ver)----Xtreme 12:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I think you guys should get back to the original discussion, there will be other times and other places to question sysops here. Also, the contributions on that IP are nothing more than vandalism reverts and general clean up... --Frosty 13:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

And you should be thrown under a bus for your repeated and continued asshatery here Auron, not get nominated to be a bcrat. Get over yourself. If I treated people the way you do as often as you do here, I would have never been made a sysop in the first place. -- Wyn talk 15:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

"Get over yourself" is rich coming from you, Wyn. Practice what you preach. -Auron 16:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

"And you should be thrown under a bus... I would have never been made a sysop in the first place" powertrippan. Keep going the way you are now, and I fear you won't stay this way wyn. Also, isn't that a threat of violence? Thanks! NuVII 16:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

It can't be, wyn said it. --Frosty 16:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

You should be thrown under a bus, Frosty. Thanks! NuVII 16:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

What you have said has deeply hurt me, for my father was struck by a bus and killed when I was only a little child, I feel personally assaulted. --Frosty 16:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick note saying that the ridiculous personal assaults in this thread need to stop. It would be super if no one else said that anyone else should be thrown under a bus, that is pretty much the definition of a personal attack in my opinion and also completely irrelevant to any of the issues at hand. Misery 17:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Minor clarification, Wynthyst saying "And you deserve to have your actions examined in a similar way" would have been completely appropriate, although not the only appropriate way of saying it. I do realise that was what she meant, but everyone in this discussion needs to step back until they can approach this calmly, or just stop trolling as some participants are. Misery 17:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Good lord, it's just an expression. Lighten up. - Reanimated X 17:13, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

It seems the so called "expression" also suggests people being used as a Scapegoat, with my mother being Jewish, I find this scapegoatism highly offensive, it's almost as if someone has personally attacked me. --Frosty 17:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Almost, Frosty, almost. - Reanimated X 17:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Sock puppets? I LOVE sockpuppets! —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 17:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Cool story bros... funny thing about all this, when I wiki'd this check user thing to see what it was, most of the article seemed more concerned with the ethics of using it in the first place, like it was a Search & Seizure tool and you'd want the VR equivalent of a warrant to use it b/c it's only ever to be used in "bad Faith" cases. IOW: it Strikes me as possibly a greater abuse of power to use it in the first place on some sock that reportedly is only making neutral or beneficial edits. ...discuss... :D --ilr 17:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

That was massively irrelevant. Please stay on topic more, and that is directed at everyone making super tangents in this thread. – Emmett 17:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Not to throw another sysop under the... uh... I mean. I didn't actually checkuser this anon (and I would not have because honestly I hate sock-hunting). Another sysop hit me up privately with the checkuser results and I said I'd take it up with Auron in his stead. —Tanaric 17:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Point is: this entire thing by definition, is a tangent. ...Obviously that's why Auron wrote it off the instant it was brought up. Without multiple actions defined in "bad faith", all the coincidences in the world mean nothing and this was all just another excuse to cause more infighting among the all-too-rapidly growing pool of Sysops for an all-too-rapidly dying game. ...I'm not saying stop though... *unf* --ilr 17:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on Trolling/Socks/CheckUser was:

← moved to Guild Wars Wiki talk:Policy

(Nathan) yo do you still play?

Blocked

Per the discussion on Project talk:Policy. Not sure if it'll even warn you of a block as a sysop, so I'm posting this to ensure you don't accidentally circumvent. —Tanaric 00:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Sysops get the same message and inability to edit as users. -- pling 00:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I find it interesting that troll can be a sysop. --Boro 17:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I find it even funnier that he baited a couple users and then blocked them. after violating 1RR and that they stayed blocked when he was obviously just looking to abuse his power as a sysop. --71.94.9.34 20:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Contact

If one wished to contact you to Discuss a previous blocking how would one do it? Yes I'm briar and yes I'm evading and yes im aware youll probably lengthen my block for doing so but I dont believe I deserved the block in the first place. Which i can explain if you allow me to contact you off-wiki. I intend to serve my block for evasion as i did evade, But i do need to know. Seeing as you and others seem to have it out for me, ill be receiving my fair share of unjust blockings. --24.10.187.37 06:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The answer to that is the Email this user link in the toolbox to the left. While Briar is unable to edit any pages here, he can use the email function. Of course, he has to have email enabled in his preferences as well. -- Wyn talk 07:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikia

Out of general interest (and so I can negatively update my perception of humanity as a whole), do you have any knowledge about the deal to move PvX to wikia? Was it anything like the GW move? I browsed PvX a bit but didn't find anything and my guess is you should know. --Xeeron 15:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I-forgot-his-name didn't want to spend any more money on PvX, plus he has real life commitments etc etc. Wikia is more active and would be able to handle all the technical nitty-gritties rather than waiting for I-forgot-his-name to logon to implement some "extremely" needed change suggested a year ago. Unless there are some hidden politics that I am not privy to, in which case Auron can simply tell you himself, that should be more or less correct of the agenda behind the move. Pika Fan 15:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

jcardinal, however you write it, I think. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 16:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

gcardinal elix Omni 16:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, my question more or less directly relates to 5 digit amount of $$$ that (former founder and web address owner) Gravewit got from wikia for transfering guildwiki there. --Xeeron 16:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I do not believe gcardinal was compensated. elix Omni 16:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Uh... are you talking about the GuildWiki move or the PvX move? Gravewit was long gone by the time PvX moved to Wikia. Also, as far as I remember, gcardinal did get some compensation but it was not really a huge profit or anything. A quick search for information gives me this overview page on GuildWiki, and this news page on PvX. I know there were more pages somewhere on PvX but I'm not familiar with the site and can't find them.

If it was GuildWiki's move to Wikia you were interested in, that can be found discussed at GREAT length here. Skim reading says the "profit" was $62,000 plus $3,000 in stock options, and perhaps more that I didn't read...but then there is a section at the bottom of the talkpage saying that it was given back to the editors, so I'm a bit confused. (Even though I was there when it happened, it was a while ago, and it was confusing even back then...so I don't have a clear recollection of what exactly went down.) Vili 点 16:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

"$65,000 for a shitty free wiki"

File:User Jette Wealthy t-rex.jpg –Jette 17:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Xeeron: this should be what you're looking for. ~ PheNaxKian 17:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

From the looks, it seems like gcardinal was just trying to keep pvx alive and not blinded by the dollar signs. I don't think everyone is like Gravewit, so I wouldn't give up on humanity for right now, Xeeron. — Gares 18:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thx PheNaxKian, that was what I was looking for. And while I only really followed PvX at the start, I am happy that it did not end the way GW did. --Xeeron 20:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

We were lucky to have some people that cared more about the community (not necessarily the registered users, but the people who used the site to download builds), and that has really been in our favor. Actually, our build packs have been pulling in a lot of hits lately too, so the site's not quite dead yet.... Karate Jesus 20:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Basically what they said. We had tried several hosting options and Gcardinal had paid out of his pocket for months on end. He made a public bid for donations to help out, and we didn't get very many of those, either. We tried a deal with Razer - offered their products as rewards for a few wiki contests, but afaik, the prizes were never received by the winners and before long Razer had stopped communicating. Gcardinal was pretty desperate by the time he suggested the Wikia move, and I highly doubt he was in it for the money (and knowing how Wikia works, I doubt they'd have offered any if they could get away with taking it over for free). Gcardinal was pretty busy by then and had (IMO) lost interest in the project, but he saw it through to the end, and it wasn't like he came back from the dead to sell PvX to wikia. Many users had bitter feelings, mostly because we saw what happened to Gwiki, but it really felt differently and wikia treated us pretty well (allowing us to keep checkuser, which is a rarity as I understand it). -Auron 08:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

rpg

What have you already played? —Tanaric 17:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Some thoughts...Ragnarok DS just came out. The online game was decent. Not sure about solo experience. Glory of Heracles and Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes came out a month or so ago. — Gares 18:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

not very many. the pokemon games, the final fantasy games, dungeon explorer (which was turrible), a few castlevanias (although they technically aren't RPGs). that's... pretty much it. I just got done with spirit tracks and phantom hourglass, so i've had my fill of zelda games for awhile. -Auron 00:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

golden sun -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 01:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Try Contact. Should be able to pick it up used for cheap, or I can mail you a copy if you can't find it. —Tanaric 19:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I was looking at DS roms today and I found out Square-Enix published a Dragon Quest IV remake for it a while back. One of the best storylines I've seen in two decades. — Gares 19:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Your best bet is still playing on PC. As the best RPG-s (Baldur's Gate series, PlaneScape Torment, NWN1, Dragon Age) are PC games. --Boro 18:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

No shit? -Auron 02:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I ended up grabbing ragnarok DS. I'll see how it turns out. -Auron 07:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Can you take a look at this, or have someone else look at it? The text is jacked up, and I'm not sure how to fix it. -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 19:16, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

do you mean the text in the "pre" box is overflowing? otherwise i have no idea what you mean >.> ~ PheNaxKian 20:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I was viewing it on a different PC. It looks normal now XD -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 22:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

WoD

you reverted that one. i know it's a relevant page, but i wanted to let wod redirect to this one with proper capitalization, therefore i added the removal tag. In case Well of Darkness is not a good reason to have a disambiguation page (instead of a redirect page to Wail of Doom), wod could simply be changed instead. but having WoD which leads to Wail of Doom while wod suggests two skills seems wrong, doesn't it? —ZerphaThe Improver 22:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

tbh I don't think I've seen anyone use well of darkness ever, I'd say just nuke that disambig and make em both redirects. If it's a problem I guess we could just kill the WoD page. -Auron 04:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

i normally tend to list any theoretically suitable names on disambiguation pages. but i agree that well of darkness, which is if anything a moderately used skill, not commonly abrreviated WoD for sure, so i think turning wod into a redirect won't hurt. we could possibly add a disambig note for that on Wail of Doom, but i doubt that it's necessarily needed. —ZerphaThe Improver 18:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

unneccesary deletion

you deleted a page labeled as "unneccesary" that actually had a purpose. I uploaded four images, allof which you deleted, for a bug report. Last time I uploaded pictures, the pages didnt record the link to them. If that is why you deleted them, that is pointless because you should hav talked about them first. I shouldnt hav to reupload my pictures because of YOUR reckless actions. --Bold Baby Undies 23:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Im sorry. I didnt realize that the pages were moved. --Bold Baby Undies 23:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

You better be sorry. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 04:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

wtf?

I'm perfectly happy with you blocking Loves to Sync for disruption. My issue with you wasn't about anything like that, it was about you trolling other users, like your comment on Kaisha's (admittedly horrifying) picture. If you had rolled a sock and done good with it, we would never have had a problem.

Put another way, I've got no problem blocking for disruption; that's why I blocked you.

In any case, our bureaucrat has the right to interpret that RfR request as troll and not include it in her tally. She chose not to;I don't think it's currently helpful to block Loves to Sync for trolling an RfR when it goes directly against what our bureaucrat has already stated.

—Tanaric 16:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Our bureaucrat has every right to interpret anything how she wishes. I, however, am not bound to sit by idly and watch as a troll manipulates a poorly designed reconfirmation system simply because Aiiane wishes to go through the pageantry. It, quite frankly, is a load of shit. The request should have been ignored or struck. However, that is not my argument. Aiiane is free to get trolled as hard as she wants to, and to put all the unnecessary bureaucracy through its paces.

My comment was simply in response to yours - you are fine with sitting here watching him do his shit, and you revel in the unnecessary bureaucracy. I am not and I do not. He is a troll, and my response was an official warning to stop trolling or get blocked. This wiki isn't a company, and my decisions do not necessarily reflect that of the CEO's. Because it is a wiki, however, I am still free to act on my decisions. You are free to stand by and watch, as you have done and as you are doing. Don't come to me acting surprised when I call a troll out for trolling. This isn't the first time I've done it, nor will it be the last.

I also think your comments are based on the assumption that my remarks are based on our personal history. They are not. I saw a troll trolling, I saw people getting trolled, and I saw a sysop sitting there, content to let the disruption go full swing. I call things as I see them. I told the troll to stop trolling and said that, unlike the sysop who was (obviously) unwilling to place a ban, I had no second thoughts about doing so.

Again, Aiiane is free to do as she wishes. She wastes the entire wiki's time going through the charade, but that's her call. My point, however, goes beyond the bureaucracy. Even if the de-sysop attempt fails, which it obviously will, the troll gets what the troll wanted - attention to himself and attention to his topic. I'm not sure if you think that giving a troll attention will drive the troll away, but let me assure you, that tactic simply doesn't work. They aren't smart enough for reverse psychology. They will simply come back for more. Aiiane will do what she feels is best for the wiki regarding the reconfirmation - I will do what I feel is best for the wiki regarding the troll who started it. They are two entirely separate topics; try not to confuse them. -Auron 17:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

No, you are not obligated to sit idly by. You are welcome to warn or block as you see fit. I do not understand why you called me out particularly for not blocking him -- poke, Aiiane, Pling, and you yourself also did not block him.

I am not upset that you called him out for trolling -- it's what you've always done and a quality I greatly appreciate. If I took issue with that -- for example, if I believed Loves to Sync was acting in good faith -- I would have called you out on that specifically. I agree that Loves to Sync was trolling, but since I do not have the authority to revert his RfR and because I believe blocking him for making the RfR would set a terrible precedent (especially considering the recent "good ol' boy" complaints about the sysop team we've been hearing and dealing with lately).

The only thing I did beyond the rest of you was notify Aiiane that the request had been made in the first place -- and if that's what you're taking issue with, then I very much disagree with you. While we are entirely within our rights to block for disruption, Aiiane is the only person on the wiki with the right to ignore or accept that RfR request right now, and since her last contrib was like 5 days before the RfR request was made, pinging her talk page seemed the appropriate thing to do.

—Tanaric 18:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

You know why I wasn't called out? Because I totally ignored it. Misery 18:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Aiiane hadn't posted in that section, it isn't poke's nature, and most of Pling's comments were either offtopic entirely or about the revert itself, not concerned with the trolling. I could have called Pling out on the issue as well and achieved the same result.

I don't have an issue with you pinging Aiiane's talk page. I had an issue with sysops chilling out while the disruption happened, but your name was selected from the list. I do have an issue with Aiiane playing into the trolling and allowing the disruption to multiply, but as I've stated above, that's her choice.

Frankly, no, blocking him for starting a false reconfirmation does not set bad precedence. When you start a reconfirmation for a sysop, you are saying "this person has completely lost their mind, and is more harmful than helpful to the wiki with regards to their sysop tools... and here is my reasoning." This is a reconfirmation for poke. Not me, not Wyn, not Gordon or any other possibly contentious sysop. It's about poke, and it's over a talk page revert. The request itself is a trolling attempt, and nobody on earth can see it any other way. Blocking him for trolling in this case is no different from blocking him for trolling in any other.

If I was trying to block someone who voted on my reconfirmation... that would raise some eyebrows. That would be bad precedence. Blocking someone for attempting to reconfirm this specific sysop for this specific "offense" is another matter entirely, and isn't even in the ballpark of bad precedence. Not doing anything in this case is worse of a precedent than sitting back in fear that someone, somewhere might think that the sysops are - OMG! - trying to stay in power via abuse of sysop tools. -Auron 18:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

If I may two-cents this issue, I don't think anyone took Loves to Sync's request seriously, except arguably Aiiane. The bad precedent here is not blocking L2S, but rather allowing his request to start an unnecessary RfA. elix Omni 18:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

^

You're just giving the troll what the troll wants. -Auron 18:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Which was kind of my point. Blocking him would also give him an excuse to drama, but it's a better path than being his bitch. Misery 18:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I fundamentally disagree. We specifically wrote our reconfirmation policy to funnel down to a single request after a year so that users could trigger unconditional yearly reconfirmations if they so desired. The fact that a troll invoked that condition after a silly disagreement does not change the fact that "you are saying 'this person has completely lost their mind, and is more harmful than helpful to the wiki with regards to their sysop tools... and here is my reasoning.'" is 100% incorrect. If I can request reconfirmations on all current-but-not-recently-reconfirmed sysops just because I want to see them reconfirmed, there's no reason a troll can't request the same because he disagrees with a sysop's actions. —Tanaric 19:35, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

wtf? -Cursed Angel 19:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

wtf? Trolls delight in wikilawyering, you know that, and L2S took advantage of the policy that is written in order to cause drama and disruption. The very fact sysops have been ignoring his bureaucrat applications every cycle was deplorable right from the get-go. You deal with non-disruptive trolls by ignoring them, and if they become disruptive, you ban them. L2S contributes nothing positive to the wiki, and he's manipulating policies to disupt. You clearly do not understand the needs of the wiki at this point; and that is a sure and firm way with trolls. Pika Fan 19:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

"and that is a sure and firm way with trolls"

With....with his penis? Karate Jesus 19:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Pika: the only ones causing drama and disruption are you and Auron, as far as I can tell. Without the "OMG TROLL" flashmob, a landslide RfR would have passed without incident with none the worse for wear. —Tanaric 19:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

tl:dr, dramallama, /popcorn, etc.--TahiriVeila 19:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe Aiiane is taking this seriously, she is simply following the policy as it is written. Any user has the right to request a reconfirmation at any time. In this case, it has been 3+ years since poke underwent his RfA, so a single request is enough to trigger a new one (regardless of the reason). There is no one on this wiki that thinks for a single second that poke is in any danger of losing his sysop tools, so this is just going to be 7 days of stroking his ego, and letting him know how much he's appreciated for what he does. Stop with all this drama. It's seriously not worth it. -- Wyn talk 19:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe I'm saying this but I have to agree with Pika on this one. Your recent actions have really made me doubt your qualities as a sysop, Tanaric. - Reanimated X 19:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Causing drama in order to improve the wiki is inevitable, especially when dealing with trolls. You are too afraid of policy whores and community backlash(backlash from trolls, no less, tch tch) to do your job effectively anymore, it seems; or maybe deep down you are actually happy these trolls are doing whatever they want. You merely care about the letter of the policy, rather than the spirit of the policy, and that is honestly disappointing. Pika Fan 20:02, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "so this is just going to be 7 days of stroking his ego". Is that what it's called now? Drogo Boffin 20:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

When it's immediately obvious to every single person on the wiki except Loves to Sync that Poke will pass with a ridiculous support landslide, yeah, it's basically just giving the community a chance to tell poke he's great for the wiki. – Emmett 20:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Fanboi votes. Drogo Boffin 20:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Fine. Per this discussion, I have blocked all users trolling in this discussion. —Tanaric 20:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

wtf? Pika wasn't trolling. - Mini Me talk 20:32, 23 February 2010

Oh, the humanity! Karate Jesus 20:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'm gonna take some pity upon y'all and undo the ban. However, my stipulation is that the trolling stops. Now. --JonTheMon 20:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

It is so fucking stupid how one little thing gets blown out of preportion. Auron did the right thing and leave it at that. Drogo Boffin 20:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Except no. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 02:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Tanaric, what the fuck? What purpose did blocking any of those people serve? On top of blocking people for nothing, you've also forgotten to block the troll we're talking about here, the one who disrupted the wiki the most by calling for a bullshit reconfirmation - Loves to Sync.
I applaud JonTheMon on reverting your idiotic bans. I am still, however, confused as to why you quoted this discussion as a reason to ban any of them to begin with. This discussion is about Loves to Sync, the reconfirmation he started, and good or bad precedence set by using administrative action in his case. You didn't ban anyone "Per this discussion," you banned people because you fucking felt like it. Don't even begin to pretend any kind of consensus or the result of any discussion was behind your bans; the immediate unblocking done should be enough to show that you were full of shit.
The most we can do in this case is agree to disagree. You are too paranoid (call it whatever you want, it amounts to avoiding to act because you're afraid of the public's perception) to do what benefits the wiki most - banning Loves to Sync for trolling. As a red herring, you ban a bunch of other people for posting one-liners in an attempt to draw attention away from the fact that you still haven't banned Loves to Sync. Or you just banned them to amuse yourself. I don't know what your reasoning was, but when you're already using bullshit like "per this discussion" to defend something that has nothing to do with this discussion, I'm not sure I care what your reasoning is anymore. Have a nice day. -Auron 08:47, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not here to play Tanaric's advocate, but you need to read what you wrote again. Tanaric was involved in the Love to Sync discussion, but so were you, Auron, and I was in-directly involved as I was watching. If you want to cast blame, then blame me and yourself as well. I'm not too proud that I'll admit that none of this would have happened if I would have stepped in. — Gares 14:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Loves to Sync (or whoever is the puppetmaster controlling that account) is getting fat amounts of lulz from these past few days, and is yet to be banned. That's the thing I find fucking weird. The sheer amount of nonsense here makes me think I'm reading a Douglas Adams novel. :/ --RIDDLE 17:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Talking about puppetmasters, did anyone ever check if L2S is a sock? - Mini Me talk 21:01, 24 February 2010

Gares - I did step in that case. I told the user in question to stop trolling or suffer the consequences. If he continues trolling, I will ban him. I, however, am not Tanaric in this case either, and I usually wait for discussions about the person to end before I place the ban, I don't jump to do it in the middle of the talks. I figured Tanaric had a point and a reason to avoid banning him, and I was going to hear what they were before doing it myself. -Auron 01:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Sup Brah

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Drogo Boffin 20:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

yo. -Auron 08:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Fo realz Drogo Boffin 08:27, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Hao2trollliekpro?!!!--RIDDLE 08:32, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Like this. is for Raine, etc. 08:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not very sure, I don't think your comment has provoked any inflammatory response. I am very sure that mine will, though, because some random sysop will ban me for 3 months for saying this. Refer to my comments of objectivity and tint of unseriousness on Tanaric's page, though. My comment is about as serious as people take it. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 01:12, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

OMG BIG WAVE ON ITS WAY MAYBE

Take Cover.....Or get a really big surf board. Drogo Boffin 21:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

He'll sink - Mini Me talk 21:29, 27 February 2010

Never! - J.P.Talk 21:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

^ Auron can walk on water. Drogo Boffin 21:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

fat guys can't swim, they sink. let alone walk on water. - Mini Me talk 21:46, 27 February 2010

Fat people actually float better than thin people. - J.P.Talk 21:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Really? That's amazing. Maybe he'll be able to survive then. - Mini Me talk 21:52, 27 February 2010

Just shout at the wave 'YOU SHALL NOT PASS.' imo.--neshot 21:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Muscle and bone are far denser than fat, and a regular human body with emptied lungs sinks (go try it in a pool). That's why dead bodies sink. So I hope Auron is the armchair commando we all believe him to be. Thanks! NuVII 21:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

He is. Also, yes@grinch - Mini Me talk 22:05, 27 February 2010

Don't get yourself killed, man. :\ -- Wandering Traveler 22:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Btw, Nuclear, you've let me down. I was expecting something more sexual. - Mini Me talk 22:07, 27 February 2010

They're looking for an excuse to ban me now, the sentencing is due tomorrow at my talk. Feel free to come and help a brotha out, but no penis jokes from me until I'm in the clear. Thanks! NuVII 22:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

That's too bad. - Mini Me talk 22:51, 27 February 2010

Oh wait... This isn't supposed to be funny! - J.P.Talk 23:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Yay! You're okay!

Woo! :D is for Raine, etc. 15:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

OMG 2 meter tsunami, better evacuate fucking everyone! -Cursed Angel 17:33, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

It really could have been much worse. I'm glad it wasn't as bad as they predicted. --Lania Elderfire 18:22, 28 February 2010 (hUTC)

Hopes you are ok indeed. --Silverleaf Don't assume, Know! 00:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Vajazzle you Vajayjay

http://videos.sapo.pt/BDHzidjOWz0uWTtgS31w Thought of you when I saw this <3--TahiriVeila 04:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You have issues. Also, that chick has a huge fucking schnoz. -Auron 06:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I have issues? I'd say the people getting cheap plastic jewelry glued to their vaginas because Jennifer Love Hewitt told them to have issues.--TahiriVeila 13:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

LoL...Do you look for this stuff? Drogo Boffin 20:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

No I have a weird cousin who sends me random nonsense--TahiriVeila 04:02, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

.

"Do I look like a bitch? You're trolling him, he's trolling you, and every one of the pvx circlejerkers are finding it funny and adding their trolling. Don't try to play it off like anything other than what it is. It is going to stop. You've been warned."
You are amazing. ♥ is for Raine, etc. 13:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I hope you won't consider this post "spammy guildwiki bullshit", or whatever it was, because I think it's rather relevant to you, or, rather, you're rather relevant to it.

As you know, I think you're full of win. I recently posted a massive wall of text on Pling's Troll Purge page, and a lot of it was made with your actions - and, in my opinion, general success - in mind. It appears clear to me that you often feel you've the support you need (however much or little support that may be) behind your decisions, and you're a very effective sysop because of that.

I also know that you often consider things that I overlook because you and I often have differing points of view. Because of this, I'm asking you, specifically: is there anything that I'm missing here? is for Raine, etc. 23:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I

needed a song which people could participate in. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 13:12, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

yellow submarine always works. it's an even older meme! -Auron 13:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the Robot Unicorn song is next. That music is so great. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 13:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

That is also fucking old =/ Misery 13:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

KJ's wish, he said it's new ^___^ I could also go with something completely off. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 13:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

What's the song for? :3--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 13:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

The internet is for... Koda Kumi 14:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

gay porn. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 14:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, hot ;o Sadly, I have nothing to recommend then :<--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 14:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

[1] Can't check it at work, but I believe that is the right one. Always_(Erasure_song), 1994. Old. Misery 16:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

"KJ's wish, he said it's new ^___^ I could also go with something completely off."

I didn't say the song was new, I said the meme was kind of new. It's spreading in some places with people drawing love-fests with robot unicorns will typing out the song. It's right up Chaos' alley, both metaphorically and quite literally. Karate Jesus 16:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I know a couple of good gay songs. →[ »Halogod (talk)« ]← 16:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

feel free to stop talking about useless crap now guys. -Auron 16:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

there's a beer named after your Hunter

http://www.11points.com/Food-Drink/11_Things_You_Didn't_Know_About_Natty_Light

Vili 点 20:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

"If you think Natural Light sucks, then your F-ing MOM sucks!" is for Raine, etc. 20:59, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

How was Briar trolling...?

I mean really? ;~;--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. Wasn't that a bit fast? Who did he troll? I would very much appreciate a link or two. Thanks! NuVII 20:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Same, skill balance discussions = trolling?--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

1 2. The first was obvious trolling, the second was a baiting attempt. -Auron 20:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Wat. How? I honestly don't see how... I mean is defending someone you don't like all of the sudden trolling?--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

... -Auron 20:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I expected a block for that tbh. Really, that was neither trolling nor baiting. Sometimes people DO actually have a hard time understanding something.--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:40, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm doing my very bestest to not get involved in all of this, but I must commend the sharpness of your nose, Auron. Those posts do look and smell so innocent, I can't believe that they could be bait. But you're probably the better judge of bait than I am. Also, ECx2 so this post is no longer funny but stale. Thanks! NuVII 20:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

You're trying to troll someone who is infinitely better at trolling than you, Unendingfear. It doesn't work.

That is the catch, Nuclear. He was trying to appear innocent, and his first post alone was innocent enough, I probably would not have done anything about that one at all. But the second post was 100% trolling/baiting, and that on top of his nonsense in the first post ("You, as sysops, should not be playing into the trolls games and allowing the scapegoat to take the fall." <- lol, irony) was enough for me. -Auron 20:46, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The only place I ever have trolled is good ol' yahoo answers. Ever. I am not trying to troll unless disagreeing with you is suddenly bannable?--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, the part directed at Nuke, he was saying to not let 'er be perma banned for being troll food.--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Trollity troll troll. -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 21:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

wat. Who's trolling?--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 21:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Auron you're being paranoid. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 21:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm not. But I do find this entire situation rather amusing.

• "The sysops are doing a terrible job at letting trolls get away with trolling. The trolls are the real problem on this wiki, not people like Ariyen."
• "OH FUCK A SYSOP BANNED A TROLL, HE IS COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE AND MUST BE ABUSING HIS SYSOP TOOLS."

Pick a side and stick to it tbh. -Auron 21:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I disagree, Chaos. I'd label Auron's recent stance against the torrent of trolls this site seems to have spontaneously attracted merely as proactive. We need someone like Auron to keep a cool head and pull triggers when those triggers need to be pulled - with the resignation of brains and wyn ragequitting, Auron has become a vital organ of this wiki, and we simply can't afford to question his judgment, not with the current turmoil we find ourselves in. My previous concerns aside, I fully support this zealous and righteous ban.

Also, stop ECing me and my sarcastic posts. Thanks! NuVII 21:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I never picked a side on the Ariyen case, did I even make a post on it? If so, where? Link please? Also, Briar was not trolling. Stop putting words in my mouth too, kthxbai.--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 21:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, he was. Your inability to detect trolling (or more likely, inability to admit it) doesn't mean that none exists.

For specifics:

• "You, as sysops, should not be playing into the trolls games and allowing the scapegoat to take the fall. That only serves to make you, as sysops, look impotent and stupid (this is said with the best intentions, I assure you)".

Prefacing or suffixing a personal attack with "not a personal attack" doesn't cut it, and hasn't ever cut it. "You're stupid, except I don't mean it in the NPA breach kind of way" has never flown on this wiki.

• "That argument followed no logical train of thought whatsoever and made absolutely no sense at all. I cant even begin to refute it because I can't even begin to understand what your getting at other than you seem to think I'm saying she somehow doesn't deserve a perma-ban or something."

This is simply trolling. -Auron 22:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

In the first case, he's saying that he means that it's making you look like what it's making you look like. Besides, he wasn't banned for NPA as I read?

Second case, no, he probably genuinely doesn't understand the post of the person.--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

You are ridiculously bad at trolling. -Auron 22:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice way to try and change the subject. You are bad at trolling Oh wait. Never mind, you troll the whole wiki and don't get banned, despite being a bad troll. Also, as I said before, if I am trolling it is only in your mind that you see it as an excuse to ban me for baiting. I do not intentionally troll anywhere (I stopped trolling yahoo answers months ago).--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Unending, you're stupid, but that's not a personal attack.--neshot 22:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not a personal attack, I am rather stupid. :3--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I counted the words troll/trolling approximately 30 times in this section. That says enough. Reaper of Scythes** 22:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

hookay auron, since you've wasted enough of my baits for today, I'll have to respond with a semi-serious post for a change.

• "You, as sysops, should not be playing into the trolls games and allowing the scapegoat to take the fall. That only serves to make you, as sysops, look impotent and stupid (this is said with the best intentions, I assure you)".

Actually, what he said was far from a personal attack. It's already well-established that "you look stupid" is different from "you're stupid". Now, we can split hairs all day long, but the reality remains that while his comment might be borderline NPA, it is not NPA. On another note, I'd be the first one to accuse a sysop of being incompetent if he/she fed a troll, and I'm sure many others would follow suit.

• "That argument followed no logical train of thought whatsoever and made absolutely no sense at all. I cant even begin to refute it because I can't even begin to understand what your getting at other than you seem to think I'm saying she somehow doesn't deserve a perma-ban or something."

This is simply something you might have said. Okay, maybe that's a bit of a long shot, and I don't to be accused of putting words in your mouth. That sounds like something I might have said. Thanks! NuVII 22:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

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"If you think Natural Light sucks, then your F-ing MOM sucks!" is for Raine, etc. 22:47, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

the drama llama strikes again!--TahiriVeila 23:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Briar isn't the only one choosing their words carefully... -Cursed Angel 23:47, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Friday!

So what's the plan for today? ~Shard 19:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe tomorrow/Sunday? Call me whenever. ~Shard 00:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

lurk on irc until you find ciel, I have a wilderness medicine course all weekend. -Auron 00:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Phone broke on Tuesday so I can't contact either of you except online. Last time I talked to Auron though, I don't believe he mentioned having to take a course. When will you both be available then? If not this weekend, I have no classes Tuesdays or Thursdays. Ciel 02:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm only really free on weekends once spring break ends. ~Shard 06:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I have nothing all week. It was a red cross thing ciel, you shoulda been there, becky whatever her face is taught us how to bandage bullet wounds and apply tourniquets and all kinds of fun stuff. -Auron 05:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Useful skills. :> is for Raine, etc. 06:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

It's no laughing matter, Raine. Hawaii is a battlefield. elix Omni 06:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Gotta watch out for them falling coconuts. And lava. is for Raine, etc. 06:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I once got mugged by lava. It was packing some serious heat. --RIDDLE 07:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Coconuts have no natural predators, they're becoming a real pest. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 10:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Shard and Auron and Ciel should grab their rifles and go coconut hunting. For the environment, y'know? is for Raine, etc. 15:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hunting coconuts is their rite of passage to manhood. Only 7% of participants survive. elix Omni 16:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Raine, Felix, Chaos, and Riddle - unless the topic on my talk page directly concerns you, refrain from commenting on it. You all talk way too fucking much, and while I can't 90/10 you or tell you to shut the fuck up, I can ask that you not spread your spammy GWiki-esque bullshit onto my talk page. -Auron 23:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

[2]

Is this really a violation of something? If it is and you can point me to policy I'm violating I will delete it immediatly, but I was under the impression that one didn't need to obtain permission from the second party to post an E-mail exchange between users in their userspace. --Master Briar 00:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you really need to ask this? Private shit is private. People shouldn't have to worry about whether their emails will be plastered all over the net when they write them. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 00:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

When its a discussion regarding whether or not a Sysop on this wiki is performing their duties they should not only worry about it, they should expect it. Again, If you can point me to the policy that I am violating I will immediately take it down. But as long as this is just Auron screaming OMG BLOCK NAO PLZ! then I'm not very inclined to do so. --Master Briar 00:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Armond, anything you say anywhere on the internet can be used against you, regardless of how "private". Ever seen the "guy has 'yummy cum' email"?--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 00:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

cool story bro ;o ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 12:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

before you go

will I ever see you again? you're my favorite jew. :( -Cursed Angel 14:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

April 1st? Reaper of Scythes** 14:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

"See you guys, I'm outta here. - Kaisha"

Nooooooooes! ;D Karate Jesus 14:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Tanaric rage quits, Pling resigns, now you too? :-(. --Lania Elderfire 14:43, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

^ if only ;_;--File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png ɹɐǝɟ ƃuıpuǝu\ n \ 14:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean, "You people"? is for Raine, etc. 16:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I think he's talking about "you people". :D--Lania Elderfire 16:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

April Fools?--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 17:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy Easter

Hope you have a good one. Reaper of Scythes** 09:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Jews don't celebrate easter. -Cursed Angel 15:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It's like christmas, we go to the movies. At least you got jesus's death date right, considering you're off on his birthday by about three months.--TahiriVeila 00:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Obey

Your little line about it with "nobody cares", really made me laugh... I was thinking the same thing, and I was trying to care like maybe I should or something, but I just couldn't. one dimensional characters + lame plot ftl. --Lania Elderfire 04:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Meh, it's something new. Besides, I won't be jacking off over it unless I see some 34'd versions of the two groups =p--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 04:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't particularly care about the Obey/Dismantle stuff, but you do have to admire ArenaNet's strategy with it. I don't think I've ever seen so much excitement and anticipation over what will probably be a half hour's worth of new recycled pve content. elix Omni 05:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It's almost like they have a real marketing strategy! is for Raine, etc. 05:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

wait, people still play gws pve?--TahiriVeila 14:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

People play GW? Thanks! NuVII 23:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

At least people are on it's wiki... -Cursed Angel 23:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Raine and Felix - apparently you forgot my request to stay off my talk page with your spammy bullshit. -Auron 23:24, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Just so we're clear, am I also subject to that request? My posts aren't exactly brimming with meaning either. Thanks! NuVII 23:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I considered mentioning you and cursed, but neither of you seem to stalk my page with the regularity of the others I mentioned. -Auron 23:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Awww, you're so kind. Thanks! NuVII 23:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't off-topic, but if you're going to get all burthutt over two sentences I guess I'll leave you be. elix Omni 00:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe I ever said it was off-topic. Reading am hard. -Auron 00:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

RC Nuke lol

nice super deletion... hope we didnt need all those pics for anything Sonic Friday 01:49, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, i've been busy

Hehee ^^ - J.P.Talk 02:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

ulc

What does ulc mean? Looks like some encrypted revert justification. —ZerphaThe Improver 12:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Use lower case. -Auron 12:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

i.e. GWW:ULC. -- pling 16:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Remind me to move the other contests to the article name with minorcase letters only someday. I can't stand this single contest stepping out of line from the others >.< —ZerphaThe Improver 15:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

hi

In the future, do try to at least make an effort to distinguish between a troll post and a sincere one. Wanks! NuVII 15:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

>Trolls saying "i'm not trolling, i promise!"

lol ok -Auron 00:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Pruning

I understand that you're sick of all the strange bullshit that's going on with this site, and that you feel your hands are tied. My question to you is, why are you reluctant to ban because of reconfirmation? Most people with a brain will accept that you generally have the best interest of the wiki in mind, and will let you keep your responsibilities. I didn't think you'd be the type of person to hold back because of what other people think. If even you are slow to act against the kind of behavior that is frowned upon, fearing mass retribution from trolls at every turn, then what is really taking place here? This isn't the Auron that people are used to, imo. You shouldn't need to ask permission or make suggestions to ban trolls.-- Tha Reckoning 18:18, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Part of the problem is trust. I don't trust the bureaucrats to have my back. I don't even trust the rest of the sysops, minus one or two. I still remember what happened last time I was reconfirmed - a troll went directly from talk page to talk page, begging people to sign my RfR. Nobody did anything to stop him, nobody even said a word. On GuildWiki, I trusted Cory and Bax to keep me around, even if I banned all the trolls on the wiki and they all sent fifty hatemails a day. On this wiki, I can do no such thing. I would be fighting the trolls, who all make bullshit excuses like "I wasn't trolling," the carebear sysops like Salome who follow me around and unban trolls I've banned, and bureaucrats, who I can't trust not to overturn bans (as they have been known to do, and said that would be willing to continue doing) or to support me if anything comes out of it. And this is on top of the problem with the thoughtless voting system, which I'll cover.

Votes are fucking retarded. There is no way to ensure that the people are voting for legitimate reasons and not for petty personal hatreds and dislikes. The majority of people who oppose me on stuff are butthurt over one thing or another. I remember calling ShadowFog bad at the game when he refused to use observer mode to find out what the "meta" was, and he's hated me ever since, following each and every election and opposing me whether it was for bcrat or sysop. It's fine that he dislikes me, but it's not fine that he's allowed to oppose my every bureaucrat and sysop election because of it, without giving reasoning for any of it. It's fine that Wynthyst had people that loved her because she designed their userpage, but it's not fine that they're allowed to support her adminship simply because of the userpage design.

There always seem to be enough votes to start a reconfirmation for me. When one starts, I always ask for them to link me to cases where I've abused my sysop. As you can tell, the most they come up with is me voting neutral on DominatorMatrix's RfA with "Meh" as reasoning. But even when they have no argument, they're still allowed to hold my reigns - I cannot act in fear of retribution from people that hate me for no other reason than holding a three year old grudge that has nothing to do with sysop powers.

If you want the situation to be fixed, the bureaucrats have to be on the sysops' side, not on their own side. Sysops have to be able to trust the bureaucrats and each other, and that can't happen with bullshit like block reviews going around. This pruning is a good first step - but as you can tell, some trolls will be left over, and the remaining sysops are going to have to pick up the slack and bring the hammer down hard.

And lastly, elections have to be fixed. The bureaucrat election has been a farce for far too long. It needs to simply not exist. It has been the subject of trolling more times than not, even on a good day it's generally useless, and the system can be completely replaced by GWiki's bcrats-electing-bcrats without losing anything (except all the trolling that happens every election). Back when this wiki started, there was a ton of fucktarded ideas (like signatures with no images, super-restrictive userspace, etc), but most of them have been fixed. The only glaring one left is the stupidly designed bureaucrat election. I'm sure it was designed with the best intentions in mind, but it was a stupid idea, and it needs to die a fiery death for the overall benefit of the wiki. Nobody can look me in the eye and honestly tell me that the bureaucrats we have are going to abuse their position, and that kind of thing hasn't been a problem in the 4+ years I've been around guild wars wikis. As long as they pass the position on to someone they trust before leaving the wiki themselves, it'll be fine (unless someone gives bcrat to gravewit). -Auron 00:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

You seem to be under the delusion that politics have a fair and rational basis. What you're describing has been at the very nature of politics and political action since Demosthenes addressed the Athenian. Man up and deal with it or get out of politics. It's not an attack on you, but you don't have the attitude of a politician. You have a problem with the game, but there's no way to fix the game unless you control every nuance of it. So do what every politician has done since the dawn of time; take control or get out.67.159.44.134 00:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Heil Auron? :> 98.248.90.248 00:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

This is a wiki about a motherfucking video game. It would get along just fine without any politics whatsoever. -Auron 00:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course it would, but as long as the wiki intends to have administrators who wish to be more than janitors and hall monitors, politics will play a vital role in its very nature. I highly suggest you take greater powerr and responsibility and oust the politics. Fight for what you want and give no quarter, but don't complain when things don't go your way. 67.159.44.13400:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me exactly what I've been doing for four years. Someone asked me a question and I answered it, I didn't go out of my way to talk about the flaws in the system. Log in next time you want to post on my page. -Auron 00:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I find it strange how you comment on how the bureaucrats don't have your back in one breath, then in the next seem to be happy with them holding their positions perpetually. Misery 15:28, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Shades of grey. What's wrong with a good bureaucrat holding his position indefinitely? I think Auron's point was more along those lines than "let's keep our current bureaucrats forever". In short, treat bureaucrats more like sysops - elected when needed, removed when necessary. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 22:35, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

When I went to school and learned English, I was taught that separate paragraphs are separate points. I guess that's not the case everywhere else. -Auron 00:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.

the bot had my Head off >_> --Neil2250 , Render Lord 08:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont think its a bot. --Master Briar 08:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Briar im slightly worried how you know all these people.However.Heres a cookie *Chuck* --Neil2250 , Render Lord 08:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I feel special now. ^^ --Master Briar 08:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It isn't a bot. Several of us have had conversations with him. -- Wyn talk 08:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe bots have to pass Turing test before being issued their bot licence now. --Xeeron 09:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

My bot plays RA better than your average player. Does that say more about my bot or the average RA player?--TahiriVeila 03:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Shannara

I see from your chars name you've read the Shannara series... Nice to know someone else has!--File:Image-Necro Shea mo signature.jpg Necro Shea Mo 01:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

On my case...

Oh ya, are you on my case or something, you've deleted or moved lots of my stuff.... Why? Are you checking everything I do and fixing my every flaw? Hello? I'm enraged to (FINALLY) notice my sig pic has been deleted. Why?-Annoyed Necro (Shea mo)

No one is "on your case", we are just moving moving images to conform with policy. Your sig pic hasn't been deleted, its been moved. Calm down bro –alistic 01:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Auron,um.. really sorry, I didn't think to see if it had been moved....-- Necro Shea Mo 01:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh hai dere

WB.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 02:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

^^ -- Wyn talk 10:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I actually missed you. — Why 08:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, seriously!, welcome back! --Lania Elderfire 14:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

What they said.--neshot 15:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Stay Cool Brah

Whats up fool? Drogo Boffin 12:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

not much, killed lich king 25man yesterday and got hugely drunk celebrating. still trying to recover. -Auron 12:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice. I am looking to get "hugely drunk" soon. Drogo Boffin 12:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

You should have invited Shard over. He spends too much time with Adrin, and I think both need good influences on them like you.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 16:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

whenever I take him places he just has a coke or something, I'm usually the only one getting margaritas. -Auron 00:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Shard, Underwood and Adrin aren't into drinking, they make me feel old--or like a drunk.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 15:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey

On the pages documenting enemies, is the "items dropped" area just specific for shit dropped by that type of enemy, or is anything they drop meant to go there? -- Tha Reckoning 09:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Right, nevermind. -- Tha Reckoning 09:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Bog standard weapons are not listed. Elemental swords/Icy dragon swords are exceptions.--Neil2250 , Render Lord 09:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)