Talk:Rebel Yell

Copy / paste error?

Norn territory? -- Gordon Ecker 19:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC) Yes it was >.< Omens 02:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ascalon Charr?

Do Ebon Vanguard title skills and the title effect work on the Prophecies Charr? - HeWhoIsPale 19:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Did Lightbringer's Gaze work on Prophecies Titans? Nope! Same thing probably applies here... File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 14:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes it does work but only if you get exp. Dancing Gnome 21:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

It works in ascalon, as long as you get xp from the monsters. 217.123.100.130 15:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

For energy and adrenaline maybe, but has anyone tested the armor bonus? MithranArkanere 14:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

All the skills could potentially be tested as well. However, unless there is evidence that it is not working, I dont see a need to do so. It would be rare for a skill with one condition and several outcomes to report one outcome, but not the other. --Xeeron 14:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I tested this against a level 23 Charr Flame Wielder using Flare. Without Rebel Yell: 67 damage. With: 60. -- bcstingg (talk • contribs) 17:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It most likely works as it doesn't say that you have to be in Charr territory.--§ Eloc § 08:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It works on all Charr, of all levels. LB Gaze doesn't work on Proph Titans because they aren't (technically) part of Abaddon's armies. Yet. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.237.82.247 (talk • contribs) at 07:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC).

I did some testing and this does affect all Charr of all levels in all locations, but you only gain the 2 energy if you get exp from killing a Charr. -- Kirbman 02:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Billy Idol?

Rebel yell is an actual term and not just the title of a song. There's no way to be sure whether the skill refers to the song or the Confederate battle cry, but it seems more likely to me to be the latter. 404notfound 02:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It's probably better to go for the most accurate source Terra Xin 04:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The skill name really isn't a reference to anything, I think. The Vanguard are rebelling. It's like a shout, a morale boost for the soldiers fighting back against the Charr. The thought that it would specifically referencing something is silly, unless ANet really has that much time to think something out like that.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.111.194.242 (talk).

They do have the time. See Drakes on the Plain, Blimm, and Rodgort's Invocation for a few references. In my opinion, the name is probably a reference to both the song and the battle cry. I'd imagine somebody thought up one or the other, someone else in the office pointed out the second reference, and they couldn't resist putting it in given both meanings. ~ Mortimer 09:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Or (and this is a crazy far-out theory here) they're rebels and the person in the picture is yelling. They do have time to think of stuff like that, yes, and they do it sometimes...but in this case there is zero evidence for either theory. On the contrary, this whole Rebels = Confederacy theory is pretty much disproved by how discongruous Ascalonian history is with American. It doesn't make any sense. Green Arrow 12:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, that is a crazy far-out theory, considering all the other pop culture references ANet uses. Here's an idea, though. Why not add notes about everything to the trivia section, like on Gadd? ~ Mortimer 20:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, the only place that refers to the Ebon Vanguard as rebels is the skill Rebel Yell, which is another indication that the skill name is a cultural reference. ~ Mortimer 20:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The Dawn of Rebellion, among others. And no, no notes to the trivia section. I'm OK with that for things that are pretty much definite, but this is a bit too sketchy. I mean, it could be a trivia reference, but just about anything could be a trivia reference. There's nothing to back it up except the name, which perfectly makes sense not being a reference. Green Arrow 22:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Or ya'll could stop assuming either way and ask Emily to confirm. You should have an answer by this time next year. -Auron 22:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Dawn of Rebellion is talking about rebel Charr, not the Vanguard. It's almost certainly a trivia reference. Also Auron, good thinking! Done! ~ Mortimer 22:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that's more useful, lol. ^^ (edit, just adjusted the spacing to make it make more sense oops) Green Arrow 23:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It's totally absurd to claim that this skill's name should be derived from a Billy Idol song, when the description of the effect closely matches what the Confederate soldiers tried to achieve by shouting their "rebel yell" going into battle. But since we're obviously not going to agree on this, I'll just remove the nod to Billy Idol ... OR I will insist that we put a trivia under "Sneak Attack" stating that the name was derived from the Jack Wagner song Sneak Attack. Manassas 15:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Green Arrow 19:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, both should be mentioned, imo, because of the skill guideline here -> "Trivia about the skill, such as the skill name being a reference to pop culture."

Like both references are a "reference to pop culture". -- riyen ♥ 01:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) My point is that the fact the skill has the same name as the title of a Billy Idol song is purely coincidental. To me it is very obvious that the skill is a reference to the Confederate battle cry (from which Billo Idol also took his title). My point, both above and below, is also that you could probably find at least one song matching half of the skill names if you wanted. What about "Meteor Shower" by Owl City, or "(When) You're All Alone" by Avril Lavigne? - Shold we put that in the respective trivia sections? Manassas 10:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The idea that this has anything to do with a song about crying out more for sex is just stupid ... and somewhat creepy 81.109.150.45 19:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Stacking?

Does this armour bonus count towards the 25 armour cap or does it work more like an insignia? --Curse You 23:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it falls under the cap, but is able to give more than 25 armor itself. It is a skill and is on your effects monitor, so according to that it should be part of the cap. 84.87.168.39 00:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

How is it able to exceed the 25 armor cap if it only goes up to 10AL? -- Strike When Ready 21:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a valid question, actually, because even if "it only goes up to 10AL", it's nice to know whether or not using another skill will provide the maximum armor gain (i.e., if I use "Save Yourselves!", do my teammates gain 100 armor or 90? --Mystisteel 21:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Trivia?

The icon looks like Sousuke? Clearly it's Captain Langmar. You can just make out the head band and patch. The spiked shoulder armour also gives her away. Makes more sense being her too. Sousuke indeed...

Incorrect Ingame description

This skill doesn't give any bonus adrenaline, and the +2 energy functions like soul reaping, you just need to be in range. -- Arkhar 02:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

This skill absolutely gives bonus adrenaline. --Sahjiarah 11:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Best Faction Bonus?

I think this is easily the best faction title bonus. Adrenaline, energy and armour against Charr! Can be used in Dungeons with effect AND in Prophecy! Dwarf one is the worst.... all those dungeons and how many have destroyers in them? Pfft. Dancing Gnome 19:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

While the dwarf bonus is very focused, the fact remains that the destroyers are typically much harder than other enemies, and it is useful in most of the primary quests if you want to hand in multiple Hero's Handbooks. --Ari 23:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Dwarf bonus is also very helpful if you're farming Destroyer Cores for you-know-what. -AyaStowar

bug?

I don't get any Adrenaline from this buff. I've tried on HM Charr in Dalada Uplands. Is this going to be fixed?--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:80.129.88.39 (talk).

Starcraft??!

So, I pick up good ol' Starcraft and start playing the single-player campaigns...again. Anyway, the first campaign, the Terran one, is known as the "Rebel Yell" conflict. AND said conflict takes place ten years after the Guild Wars =o

No? Master Saji 06:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

No. ACW. Rebel Yell. Backsword 06:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't intend this to be a response to anything said above since it has been years since those comments were posted. I would just like to point out that the Terran Confederacy in Starcraft is heavily based upon the Southern Confederacy, and this is likely why the Terran campaign in Starcraft is called Rebel Yell. --Deadly Sophie 00:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Bonus Adren

First Question. With R10, and "For Great Justice!" would this give just +100%, or +200%, or +300% (2 strikes, 3 strikes, or 4 strikes)?

Second Question. If, say, you hit a charr with Enraged Smash, or Dragon slash, would the bonus adren be affected? 82.80.144.54 01:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Adrenaline gain multipliers are capped at 200%., also any percent of adrinalin gained is added as a percent of a strike, if you gain 25% more energy, and you hit 4 times, you get 5 strikes of adrinalin, but if you hit 3times, you get 3 strikes, and 75% that you cant use untill you get another strike. please read Adrenaline

69.131.130.185 16:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Adrinalin? --> adrin 04:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes

I feel like my only purpose in life is to delete stupid trivia from this wiki. Green Arrow 01:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Except the Confederate reference is certainly plausible. The song is stupid, but the parallels between the war and the Vanguard's situation is more than just a coincidence. King Neoterikos 01:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

What parallels, other than the wording? I see, well, none. Just because they're rebels doesn't make it a parallel--there's been a lot of rebels around in history... (forgot to sign sorry) Green Arrow 01:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Read my talk page. King Neoterikos 01:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree the song reference is stupid. However, even if it wasn't named after the wikipedia def of rebel yell, it still is similar and should stay in trivia. i dont know whats to dispute about that --adrin 04:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Until trivia is confirmed, it shouldn't be on the page. I'm removing it until Emily (or someone else who knows) gives a response. ~Shard 04:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

That's not really how it works - unconfirmed, but plausible, trivia can be noted on pages, and there are quite a few examples of this around. Getting ArenaNet to confirm it is a plus and allows us to remove "may be" and the like. If it's confirmed as being wrong, then it can be removed. If unconfirmed trivia is contested but can't be absolutely confirmed, it should be discussed in terms of plausibility and likelihood. -- pling 11:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Confederate reference is certainly plausible. --JonTheMon 19:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

As is Billy Idol. What do you do with two plausible references? ~ Mortimer 19:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

include them both --adrin 19:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Adrin. We should include them both. -- riyen ♥ 21:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. The song reference is obviously coincidental. You will probably be able to find a song to associate to every single skill in the game if you wish to do so. If we put the Billy Idol song in the trivia here, I will insist that we put a reference to "The Flogging Molly song Wanderlust" on THAT skill page. On the other hand, the nod to the Confederate yell is certainly plausible as the skills functionality closely resembles what the Confederates tried to achieve with their "Rebel Yell". Manassas 10:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Confederates couldn't use PvE skills in PvP. -Auron 11:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

What's your justification for calling it 'obviously coincidental'? ANet likes their pop culture references, hence this could very likely be another. ~ Mortimer 04:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

The Billy Idol song is a reference itself to the Confederate battle cry. So citing it as a reference to the song is pointless.. ~ batmanhatguy 8:19, 31 January 2010

If somebody named a character Ford as a reference to Ford Prefect from Hitchhiker's Guide, would you call that a simple car reference? ~ Mortimer 20:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I have to amend my previous stand; according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Yell_(whiskey) , Billy Idol was hanging with Keith Richards, an avid fan of Rebel Yell Kentucky Bourbon. He asked if he could use it as the title for a song. No doubt it was then that he did the research into what the Rebel Yell (historically) really was, and used it in the historical sense in the song. batmanhatguy

Range

Should it be mentioned that there is no range limit to this? Like if your party splits up, you will still get energy when they kill a charr. Kormon Balser 23:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Update - Thursday, May 17, 2012

R5 = +10 armor, 100% more adrenaline --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 21:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Gedrel of Ascalon

I am talking to him right now. He offers no way to obtain Rebel Yell. I'm not bragging, but I am level 3... LOL! Regardless, he only offers handbooks. What am I missing? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Xanobi (talk).

Could you double-check that you have a rank in the Ebon Vanguard? As per "Talk to Gedrel of Ascalon [Vanguard Herald] in Eye of the North after attaining the first rank of the Ebon Vanguard title." Greener (talk) 23:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

also, it is *not* a normal skill for your skill bar. You use it by displaying your vanguard title (checking it in the hero panel). Durp da durp (talk) 14:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Doh! You both are right... I was thinking it was a skill, and I couldn't find it! Thank you, guys. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Xanobi (talk).

You should try developing basic reading skills or be less lazy. You have repeatedly asked questions on talk pages where the answer was to be found on teh associated article page. Steve1 (talk) 20:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

You know, when you shit on people, because you are so much superior, you might want to make sure you can spell one of the easiest words in the English language. THE not TEH. You, sir (I assume) are the lazy one. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Xanobi (talk).

Also, sign your comments with four tildes (~ ×4) Durp da durp (talk) 01:27, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Durp da durp, I agree with you whole hardheartedly, but I have a stalker here. Anytime I post anything with my signature, this person feels it is appropriate to demean me, and anything I write. I'm not positive, but I believe it is Steve1. I could be wrong, though. I made a mistake, and as you see above, this person cannot wait to attack me. There were two people who pointed out my mistake, and I graciously thanked them (you included), but Steve1 decided to attack me, personally and unprovoked. Normally I would sign after my comments, but Steve1 wants to viciously attack me with or without my signature. Personally, I feel like these are targeted attacks against me.

Do I expect you to do anything about this? No. Steve1 has a personal vendetta against me. I have no idea why. I don't expect him to ever stop; he hates me, and I seriously do not know why. I think it is too frightening for him to actually talk to me, and confront me about whatever it was that I might have slighted him. I am truly sorry, Derp; You shouldn't have had to read this nonsense.... You are clearly a good person. I just needed to vent. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Xanobi (talk).

You can report evil-doers on the admin noticeboard: Guild Wars Wiki:Admin noticeboard

Just scroll down and rea... use this: https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_Wiki:Admin_noticeboard#Vandal_issues

Greener is rather active atm, he'll shine his Ray of Judgment on matters and if his verdict is guilty, smite the culprit with his hammer!

Toodles, Steve1 (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the aforementioned Greener, sparing you the need to head to the admin page (though you are certainly still welcome to do so).

I've been over the history of the discussions related to User:Xanobi. We've all been guilty of having to be told to RTFM. The wiki has been built to be a repository of information about the game, including hiccups or issues that players may need to be aware of. If an article is not clear, then we invite people to edit the information or to suggest edits which may help others in the future. To this end, when there are edits to an article's talk page we tend to look at them closely to see where we could improve. It is disheartening to repeatedly find questions which have been answered already in said article.

To be clear, this does not mean that our articles are perfect or cogent. The fact that editors are still watching over the talk pages is proof that we expect things may need to be updated. But much like with The Boy Who Cried Wolf, it is irksome to repeatedly find false alarms. I'm not saying your questions have been at all malicious or asked with ill-intent. Quite the opposite, your questions have been very honest. Any snide comments that I've seen in the discussions so far can easily be attributed to frustrations from editors having to check and double-check articles only to find out that the information was already there.

tl;dr. Please take the time to read over the articles carefully. If something is unclear, please ask for clarity on the talk page or edit the article yourself. People's comments or responses so far have all been relatively above-board and I see no reason to act in any admin-like manner at this time. Greener (talk) 16:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Just a FYI, as long as you sign in, and, even if you don't sign comments, all your contributions end up in your user contributions that anyone can find. https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/xanobi . I looked through them and can somewhat understand the frustration of the active wiki editors. Durp da durp (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

An article that require double checking from the reader in order to find out that the information is already there might sometimes indicate that said article lack clarity and/or do not present correctly critical informations. I dont say that every article should bare the same quality than nuclear plants user manuals with redondancies, schematics and outlined directives circled 2 times to make sure that the info is still conveyed even if you are drunk and havent slep for 2 days, but still, the aim of an article is to help people, not to create distress. Try to get in the shoes of casuals and think of a bug that can cause a mission to fail as the "do not under any circumstance" section of anuclear plant user manual. Yseron - 90.65.49.195 11:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

My apologies if I was unclear. Here was my counting of my own actions:

1. Reading the talk page to find that there is a question from a player.
2. Finding the answer written in the article. (first check)
3. Going back to the question to see what I missed.
4. Reconfirming to myself that the article answered the question. (second check)

I do put myself in the shoes of the casual player, or at least one of initial ignorance, as I do not play the game. All this said, if you see a way in which an article can be improved, we invite you and everyone else to improve it. Greener (talk) 12:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Your post and its meaning were crystal-clear. Don't apologize for stuff like that, that's just feeding the trolls. ;-P

Why don't you a) read up on the stuff he (xanobi) asked about in the past and check the appropriate pages, before you come across so judgmental / high 'n' mighty and b) take your own medicine and actually improve stuff?! Steve1 (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

not sure why people are attacking him. If you are too important to answer him, don't. No need to be rude. And yes I just went back through his contributions and was disappointed there was nothing spicy other than lolenglishlessons. Justice (talk) 16:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)