User talk:Lania Elderfire/Archive1

back from the dead?

It's been a long time, my love. How have you fared? -Auron 06:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Lol, I've been doing well. How have you been? --Lania Elderfire 07:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Eh, alright. I went to colorado, joined a rock band for awhile, came back home, and am going to school. Pretty boring really, but that's life. I also don't play guild wars anymore, if you hadn't heard :p Your life must have been more interesting though, do tell! -Auron 07:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) My my my, if it isn't the one and only Lania Elderfire! Auron's quite correct, it has been a while. At the risk of being horribly redundant, how've you been? — Defiant Elements +talk 07:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm finishing up my biology degree, but I'm going to change my career to something a little more exciting like working as a field agent at the FBI, but that's a long term goal, and I need to get into better shape :-). Biology just isn't exciting enough for me anymore. Oh and I still do play guildwars sporadically, and mostly logged in AFK. ^_^--Lania Elderfire 07:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I can help you with getting into shape. Set the goal of beating my recent 5K time of 20:56. By that point, you should be in plenty good shape. (By the way, I don't think we've met. My name is Riddle) --RIDDLE 07:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

My main problem is going to be the pushups for the physical fitness test. I need to do ~50 pushups continuously to get a good score for women. I can only manage about 20 so far. lol, sad ^_^; --Lania Elderfire 19:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Start your days with 20 pushups, and then do 20 pushups an hour or so you go to bed. Then slowly start building up, going up to 25, then 30, then 40, etc. --RIDDLE 19:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

You're like the fifth person that's come back from the dead within the last year. Good to see you again. Vili 点 07:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Hah just realized a week ago that Vili = Entropy lol... plus it's on your user page! I=major phail lol --Lania Elderfire 22:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Inferno

Does it really matter if Kaineng comes first, if it so happens the skill is also offered in Senji? If you look at the locations in Prophecies, there are multiple locations offering it. Yet, using your logic, only one of those places is relevant for the article, the first one. I dont happen to know if it actually belongs on the guy in Senji or not (since i've already unlocked things). But from memory, I thought there was quite a bit of overlap with most of the skills offered in factions. As is, I just dont think your reasoning is right in and of itself. Seems more like you are making edits for the sake of edits. Which, if it happens to be the case, is rather lame. If it was a matter of "confirmed its not actually a part of senji", thats a totally different issue. But you didnt say that. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.232.157.34 (talk).

Inferno is a core skill not a factions skill. Michiko in kaineng has all the core skills offered in factions so it's redundant to add others. Other skills such as Blurred vision is also offered by akane in senji but is not listed under the skill trainers. So by convention we don't do that mainly because so many trainers offer core skills that to add all of them will clutter things too much. The case is different for factions skills however, and we do add the other skill trainers as it varies and Michiko doesn't have all the factions skills. --Lania Elderfire 19:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

[1]

He wasn't banned for that edit. You are currently in violation of GWW:1RV. I don't really know how I feel about that note, but reverting it because he was banned seems dishonest. Misery 19:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes I realize that, but I think these reverts were related to the comment posted above by 76.232.157.34, and the strings of vandalism that occurred shortly afterwards may be related. Plus leaving in bad tips and things that goes against common convention seemed damaging. --Lania Elderfire 19:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

In a future similar situation I suggest it would behoove you to argue for the note's removal on the talk page rather than breaching policy to remove it yourself, seeing as it is not obviously vandalous. Misery 19:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'll do that in the future, thanks :-) --Lania Elderfire 20:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, ZOMG YOU ARE A VANDAL!. Misery 19:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Lolmultieditvandals --Kyoshi (Talk) 19:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Damn that was a mistake, I think I got mixed up with the other vandalism reverts I was doing >_<. So many vandals all of a sudden... --Lania Elderfire 20:01, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

PvX Peeps

So do you dislike PvX wiki and the people on it? I personally hate PvX but I dont hold it againt the users. I do not and will never have a PvX account nor will I visit the site. Drogo Boffin 18:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I was one of the people that originally defended the builds section on the original guildwiki, and through conversations with Defiant Elements and other people, suggested some policies for vetting for PvX wiki. Soon afterwards PvX wiki started to become plagued with some of the same problems that guildwiki had, and I quit doing anything with the wiki at that point which was around october 2007 as I lost interest in the game and with all the squabbling that was happening. I wanted to like PvX wiki and get more involved but it was too annoying for me. I recently came back to the wiki but to GWW instead, and seeing to what happened to PvX wiki I'm disappointed. Yes I dislike PvX wiki as I don't like the culture there but many of the users there I do like. PvX style trollers are in the minority but they sure are efficient in causing a problem aren't they? heh... --Lania Elderfire 19:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Drogo Boffin 19:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) The "problem" with PvX is probably the vetting system, which leads to elitism and arguments, thus trolling. The good players are worshipped, and if you're any bad at the game and can't make your points in a civil manner (common problem, and better players rarely cba to explain their points thoroughly.

Also, I wasn't saying that anyone should be laughed at, I was saying that admins should be capable of taking things such as the KJ-penis remark with a laugh and keep their head cool, instead of being incredibly angry at someone for "making the topic less serious". If you keep to topic, there is probably not a single topic which wouldn't do better with a little unseriousness. Helps taking things with a better attitude, which this is all about. Pretty terribly put because I'm writing this in a hurry, but I hope you can figure out my point and reasoning. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 20:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Userspace

Users are permitted to post anything they like in their userspace as long as it is not in direct violation of other GWW policies. Regardless of whether it is directly related to Guild Wars or not. Kaisha's picture was not in violation of any policy, and should not have been summarily deleted without discussion per the Deletion policy. -- Wyn talk 20:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

So undelete it. Drogo Boffin 20:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

And just how am I suppose to do that Drogo? I am not a sysop anymore. -- Wyn talk 20:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) It all matters on opinion. Pling, me and others feel that it violates policy, others like you feel that it doesn't. Just because it's policy doesn't mean there aren't different ways of interpreting it with different perspectives and opinions on the language of the policy. What others consider pornographic, some feel it's just fine. Plus why are you telling me this? I don't have any power over this matter... --Lania Elderfire 20:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Wait your not a sysop. WTF how did I miss that? I apologise for the error on my part. Drogo Boffin 20:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Please point to the policy that the picture violates? There was nothing pornographic about the image, it was a picture of a girl in a bikini top sitting at her computer. In the weeks since it's been posted it's not been questioned for it's suitability, and even if it had been, the deletion should have followed the proper deletion policy steps (tagged, discussed, wait 3 days). That is "proper" on GWW. Seeing sysops disregarding policy and procedure based on "discretion" really oversteps the purpose of discretion imo. -- Wyn talk 20:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree about discretion it is too wide of a loophole. As I have stated, I have not seen the image and cannot comment on its nature. Tho I would not say that a girl in a bikini is anywhere near pornagraphic, even if she was in a provocative pose. Drogo Boffin 20:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

So, that's the picture that's been causing so much drama? It looks to be a type of camisole, which is usually an undergarment, or possibly even lingerie. The picture doesn't show a lot. I think Pling was overzealous in the reasoning behind the deletion, but I'm inclined to let it stand. All-in-all, it would be better to upload a less controversial picture if Kaisha wanted to post another one. — Gares 20:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

But then she wouldn't have a lot of drooling geeks after her, and that would be no fun. ---Chaos?- (moo!) -- 01:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

kiai

Prince Momozono? Vili 点 02:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

What's Prince Momozono? Is he the son of the emperor or sumthin? It was intended to be a reference to kendo since that's the martial arts I practice, and you always kiai with almost anything you do in kendo :). --Lania Elderfire 03:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

the URL is almost as long as the book. I'd suggest buying it instead. It is probably a different word though, since I get what you are talking about but it is called something else in other martial arts. We call it a "key-up" for instance. (yay english spelling of asian words) Vili 点 04:43, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

It's mainly Japanese martial arts that call it Kiai, other arts from other countries call it something else... like battle cry in English ^^=. --Lania Elderfire 16:43, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

color profile in 3D games

I don't always like making new titles. Anyways about quality, have you seen heard of this yet: Feedback:User/Previously_Unsigned/Fullscreen_with_monitor_profile? I'm surprised nobody has bought it up. I've been trying to find ways to enable color management with fullscreen and there is NO way. I'm thinking it has to be limitation of DirectX or something... I installed the ATI CCC too, no help with that. It's like when you play fullscreen, Guild Wars disables both Window's color management and any third party application you have taking over. And to be honest, my monitor is dying so I really need it. Just thought I'd share that too... Previously Unsigned 16:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hows the new title? ^_^. As far as i know, you need a 3rd party application to make the color profiles persistent in 3D games. Programs like Powerstrip 3.8 does it but it won't work with vista, or some of the newer graphics cards. It's mainly a device software limitation and I think Nvidia control center or ATI CCC doesn't have a feature to apply color profiles in fullscreen 3D. Though I'm not sure how programs like powerstrip will affect screenshots as I've never tested it myself. --Lania Elderfire 16:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I do have a program, Huey (though I want a Spyder) though it's disabled in FS. I don't understand why windows mode is ok which is basically the same. Wouldn't think screenshots would be affected by the program, and the current release is from November 2009, even tested with Vista 64. But if they can build this, then ATI and Nvidia should also be doing it, or game developers. "Yeah, we made all this amazing art work and great graphics, too bad you can't play fullscreen if you want to see it exactly how we did it." It might work after all! Previously Unsigned Omg... this program looks like absolute overkill, not sure if I can do this. Previously Unsigned

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG I AM LIKE FOAMING AT THE MOUTH NOW AND YES, THESE CAPS ARE NECESSARLY (and they will also be useful on March 20th, which is Dynamic Range Day]). PowerStrip fucking fixed the fullscreen color issue! I was poking around the program and didn't think I would ever find it but I totally stumbled upon how to do it and now I'm going to die.

THANK YOU for mentioning that program, even if you didn't directly solve it... most people didn't have a clue what I was talking about or ignorantly brushed the issue off. I'm gonna link how I did it somewhere on my page or SOMETHING. Previously Unsigned 09:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome :-), glad the program worked for you! --Lania Elderfire 15:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Question

"I agree. There is nothing we can do for her and the best thing for her and for the wiki is to part ways. Also I would suggest to keep the tone and language of the discussion as neutral and non-confrontational as possible to minimize the likelihood of her possibly harming herself in the arbcomm process.--Lania Elderfire 18:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)"
Do you have her medical status? I guess you have to answer that with a no. You don't know about her (medical or psychological) situation, so don't talk like you do. Real life experience can help to give a good indication but are not always a good source to calculate anothers situation. I do agree with the fact to keep the tone neutral, but thats in fact an Arbcomm isn't it? A neutral 'court'. However, you can't say she will possibly harm herself, even if we look to all the thing that happenend. Fact is that we don't know her and we can't base her reactions on her history. I trust you in that you mean it all well, but in my opinion you need to remove the medical/psychological from any further comments in this case. Oh, and the fact that Im listed as a friend on her userpage doesn't change the perspective of this opinion. -- Cyan 20:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with Cyan. Those two posts made it sound like she's some suicidal person with multiple personalities (not that there's anything wrong with that if she did). You talk about her getting angry over certain things, did you think she may get offended/mad over these theories of yours? ~Celestia 00:07, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

BPD doesn't make someone crazy or have multiple personalities and they don't need to go to a psych ward, they mainly need outpatient counseling and therapy. It's also an educated guess based on her behavior on the wiki, just like diagnosing a mental disorder is an educated guess even by psychiatrists. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but just in case I'm not I don't want people acting mean unnecessarily to her. I'm sure she'll be angry when she see's this. All I'm saying is... be careful with what you say, be nice, and don't be combative...though that's something everyone should do but don't. --Lania Elderfire 01:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

DE

I was pretty sure he left wiki because of, y'know, getting married and paying attention to the wife and stuff. Could be wrong though, I've not talked to him in forever. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 02:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Me neither... like I said, I don't know the full details but the drama surrounding him before his absence probably didn't help either. --Lania Elderfire 02:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Discord

Discord needs either a condition & hex or a condition & enchant. Your note change assumes the enemy is already hexed/enchanted. Which is a valid state to be in, since you can apply the condition when it's needed (your version of the note). Just pointing out how the note isn't fully accurate, but needs context. --JonTheMon 18:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Lol I was mixed up with Necrosis, besides necrosis is a skill so it wouldn't have worked anyway. Ty for catching that.--Lania Elderfire 18:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

AR

Jon is just trolling. Don't feed.

The info is well known among those that experiments about this stuff. And much of it confirmed by various people from Anet. Test it yourself if you won't take our word for it. Backsword 17:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Damage calculation is the behavior that I notice with attributes and damage... not armor penetration. Also, who from Anet confirmed it? where is the evidence that you are talking about?? --Lania Elderfire 17:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Not penetration, that's multiplicative, this is substractive. Does it matter who from anet commented on what part? Izzy was one of them, does that change anything? You can est it with Wild blow vs a target dummy if you need evidence. Backsword 17:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It matters that you cite your evidence (i.e. provide links) that we're all wrong, but only if you want anybody to believe you. --Riddle 17:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Using Wild blow on a target dummy doesn't support your conclusions... if your information is true, wild blow should be doing a lot more damage against the targets... about 60dmg vs 60AR target, and around 30 against a 100AR target if using a maxed swords at rank 12. --Lania Elderfire 18:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is also assuming that your strength is at 0 and no armor penetration mods are on the weapon. --Lania Elderfire 18:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

No, it should be ~31 at AR 60, before custom and inscription. Backsword 18:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Clarifying, at your values it is 60 AR, with 12 rank at level 20, that is -60, and then -20 from autocrit., as such, 60-60-20=-20 effective ar. Since protection is negative, the damage should be higher than listed, but a difference of 20 does not mean dealing tripple damage, it means plus squareroot of 2 more. Backsword 18:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Read Armor rating carefully and check your math. AR is on a Logarithmic scale with 40AR leading to half damage or double damage depending on which way you go. Even at AR 0 the damage multiplication is ~2.8x, and at -20AR (assuming negative AR is possible) the damage multiplication becomes 4x. --Lania Elderfire 18:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Also SQRT(2) yeilds 1.41 which is the same damage modifier as -20 AR; giving 40AR total, which is the expected from a crit sword; giving a damage of ~31. --Lania Elderfire 18:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

That's just it: it is a logarythmic cscale, which means that it doesn't matter where on it you are. If the difference is between -90 and -70, or between 87 and 107, that 20 AR difference is always ~*1.414 damage. Which is what you should see with Wild Blow. Backsword 18:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

A further way to test this: attack the AR80 dummy, that should be excatly lised damage. (80-60-20=0 prtection), or drop rank to 8 and hit the AR60 dummy. (60-((*5)-20=0 prtection, again). Both should do listed damage. Backsword 18:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) 0 protection or 0AR means a 2.8x damage multiplier which means 61.6 damage at rank 12 max damage sword. This does not occur on a 80 AR target. Which means the AR subtraction you are talking about doesn't exist. Your math isn't right, that's why you are coming to strange conclusions about armor ratings. Please re-think your math before replying to this. --Lania Elderfire 19:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Zero protection, zero effect, is the same as not having an influence. Or a multiplier of one, if you want.

I don't see why you think *2.8 would be neutral, that's obviously an effect. Try rerunning your calculations with the assumption that zero effect (from armor) means a multiplier of 1, and check of expected resuls do not match obesved values. Backsword 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Didn't I tell you to read the armor rating article? Didn't I tell you to check your math? Your mathematical construct... using 0AR as zero effect isn't the convention used to describe armor rating. 60AR = 1x is the convention we use to describe armor rating and damage. If you don't use to same mathematical conventions nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever. Even with 0AR = 1x damage multiplier, it still doesn't make sense. Fireball doing 91 damage does 91 damage on a 60AR target, and 46 damage on 100AR target. Unless you are saying that every attribute reduces AR. --Lania Elderfire 19:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

'My mathematical construct' is ArenaNet's mathematical construct. It is how the game works. I'm not sure what part of the AR article you are refering to. The tables? Clearly states that they're normalized, but yes, there are errors and I'll fix them.

As for Fireball, it's a spell, so doesn't use rank, but level instead. (3*level to be exact). You can test this by using a character who isn't level 20. Harder than attqacks, since you can change rank easier. Backsword 19:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how many times I need to rephrase what I'm saying. Your "math" doesn't match the community mathematical formulas. The community mathematical formulas describe what's happening in the game exactly. As for Fireball, I was trying to illustrate that your 0AR=1x dmg mult model doesn't work, and with the 3*level thing are you trying to say that level also subtracts armor rating? Are you trying to reinvent the wheel here? --Lania Elderfire 18:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Fix the right thing!!!!

The information is now being duplicated because someone undid a change to the template. Fix it right Damn it! Fix the template! And then put the stuff back WHERE IT BELONGS. --Max 2 05:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I know you want to scream at me but honestly, my edits seem to echo community consensus. I know it sucks to say this but you do need to communicate better with others in terms of what you are trying to do. The wiki is a community... much more of a sand box community compared to real life, but it's still a community. When you want to make big changes you need to communicate "clearly" what you want as an end product, and how to make those changes. It's the same with any project in real life, big or small, from painting the bathroom to building a high-speed rail system. You need to communicate with those involved, those that will be affected, and gain consensus. If you paint the bathroom a khaki color w/o telling anyone, and if your spouse wanted passion purple; there are going to be some arguments. It works the same here. See you in a week! --Lania Elderfire 16:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

your edits don't echo community consensus, they echo your one celled brain. grow up and quit attacking people, because they wish to improve the wiki and you can't stand that. 206.214.217.246 23:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

You attempt at sockpuppetry and pinning personal attacks on me by making a personal attack on me doesn't amuse me in the least. --Lania Elderfire 01:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't the one calling someone else a liar and saying they're master of denial. that's attacking. you're attacking me, an ip on sockpuppetry, who do you think I am? you don't know me, stop attacking aka npa as I feel offense from you. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:206.214.217.246 (talk).

Then stop using an open proxy. [2]. If you want any of your words to mean anything at all. --Lania Elderfire 01:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

ip words maen as much as yours 127.0.0.1 02:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Legitimate IPs and people from closed proxies are fine and welcome. Open or public proxies on the other hand... people use it to bypass a block, disguise themselves, or bypass certain local firewalls. Wikipedia automatically tempblocks any open proxy IP's due to their disruptive nature. About the only constructive use of open proxies is to bypass certain blocks instituted by a restrictive regime like China, and for a fake sense of privacy (most open proxies tend to eavesdrop). --Lania Elderfire 03:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Heck, uespwiki outright permabans open proxies. --Riddle 03:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe that's something we should be doing too? Identifying open proxy IP's are easy using domain tools or any similar tools. --Lania Elderfire 04:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you blind as to what's allowed here? Open proxies are used by anyone.

And are mostly used by people who don't have the balls to comment from their actual account. It's pretty rare for a total random to be commenting via open proxy on discussion pages with a past history of the topic, it's usually just someone evading a ban (or trying to evade having one placed to begin with). -Auron 05:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Frog legs

are actually really good. They taste like chicken (and I mean that very literally). --Riddle 06:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that's why I want to try them some day since a lot of people tell me that they taste good. Just seems odd that frogs which are quite different from chickens taste the same lol. --Lania Elderfire 17:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

They don't just taste like chicken, they look exactly like chicken legs/wings if you're not paying close attention. This is why I'm always wary at Japanese buffets. >_> Vili 点 16:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

You have been nominated...

Do you accept your fate? Y/N? --Riddle 01:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought about it for about 0.25 seconds before deciding to decline. I thought about just saying "no" but I thought that might be rude to the person nominating... Apparently I have no interest in being a b-crat or admin lol. Besides, there are better people for the job at the moment, and I have way too many "administration" tasks to do in real life which has much higher priority. --Lania Elderfire 06:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not at all current on things related to Guild Wars these days, and I can hardly claim particular or special knowledge of you. I apologize if what I said was a mischaracterization or just plain out ignorant. I suppose it won't matter (this election anyway), but I want to reiterate that I bear no ill will. I keep lists for "good" and "bad" users, and you're still on the former. Vili 点 06:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No offense taken, and thank you :).--Lania Elderfire 16:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

signature

i just thought i would bring it to your attention: your reply on my talk page says something about fair use for my butterfly signature. does that mean i can now take down the copyright tag? or? please reply on my talk page since i will be checking there for replies. thanks!! |Cynn's Thong| 20:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

"with no block records"

Is there a way to view blocks that I don't know about? Or were you just saying it as "I never have seen him get blocked?" -- Konig/talk 02:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

If you go to that person's contribution list, there is a block log link towards the top. I'm not sure if you need to install GWW tools or not though. --Lania 02:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, I searched the contributions of one of the last blocked fellas, but can't see a block log link. -- Konig/talk 02:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Look at the top (near the title), it should say For <name> (Talk | block log | logs ). –alistic 02:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

If you can't find it you can use this special link and replace the user name with the person you are curious about. (http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ALania_Elderfire)--Lania 02:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Never knew that! o.O -- Konig/talk 02:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, now I see the block log link (it was higher than where I was looking before). -- Konig/talk 02:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you,

For your kind post, =) Rogueonion 07:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Now when someone posts again, just ignore it. I know it's hard to just ignore it and walk away, but it's the best option for everyone. --Lania 15:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I messed up on archiving, can you explain to me what I did wrong? I am leaving it as it is because I am unsure what it is that I did wrong, Rogueonion 08:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

You copied everything over to archive 2, so just add the archive 2 link to your main talk page, and remove all the comments that have been copied to archive 2, and that should be it. --Lania 14:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Rockin, Thanks, Rogueonion 18:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Go Pink!

Just wanted to drop a note and say that I like your ribbon. My mom's a survivor and now does lobbying work for the Komen Foundation. So right on! (Satanael | talk) 17:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I like "your" ribbon, too, because it's cute; but, I have my reservations about its value. Vili 点 04:35, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

A brief look at the articles on that site and I have to say I'm surprised to see there isn't one about the health benefits of tin-foil hats in their prevention of government/alien mind control. --Rainith 04:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

And as for the copyvio mention, according to this site, down at the bottom of the (admittedly ugly, 1996 era) page "No one company or organization or foundation owns the rights to this worldwide symbol. However, individual pink ribbon designers can hold all rights reserved on their copyright..." So if that is correct and Lania either created her own graphic, or used one that is GFDL compatible, then it is fine. --Rainith 04:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

LOL@Rainith, (health benefits of tin-foil hats) I have not looked at that site, But I would like to say that, Most places that directly collect cash for some form of charity keep a HIGH percentage of said cash for themselves, and very little of it actually makes it to said charity, <information gleaned from my brother as he worked for a charity collecting cash and 50% of said collections were "his wage," Rogueonion 05:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I lol'ed at the health101 site. wall of text coming!! watch out!!! LOL :) Our lab was awarded a grant for about $500,000 for breast cancer research by the susan g. komen foundation. Our lab studies how cytokines and transcription factors affect breast cancer metastasis to bone, and no; we are not developing any pharmaceuticals or conducting any translational research. We're a basic research lab. It's true that research funded by charitable organizations can benefit pharmaceutical companies but it's a long winded road. First, charitable basic research is published (2-5 years). Then pharmaceutical companies might design drugs that target specific factors (2-15 years). Pharmaceutical companies apply for FDA approval (6-months to 20 years). The average from drug design to market is about 10-15 years, and about 90% of compounds ever created for possible therapeutic purposes never make it to the FDA approval process. Of that 10% that reach the FDA only about 20% or less get to market. Big pharma is evil, and they are greedy bastards... but at the same time, drug design and marketing is a long grueling process that costs pharmaceutical companies between 400 million to 2 billion+ dollars for each drug.

That site basically takes half-truths and twists them into something completely crazy and completely nuts. Site does say that diet, exercise etc can have a large effect on cancer risks which is true but it's quite disingenuous to say that it prevents 98% of breast cancer. Vitamin D deficiency does increase cancer risk, and sunscreen can generate reactive oxygen species under the skin when exposed to sunlight for a long duration... but to say that the sun prevents cancer is a dangerous thing to say. Other things like the BRCA genes... they mention that fruits and veggies target BRCA1&2... don't they know that it's a gene that codes an very important DNA repair protein? Don't they know that if something targets it, it suppresses it's activity? By saying fruits and veggies target BRCA genes, they are saying fruits and veggies inhibit DNA repair; which is completely bogus. Fruits and veggies have no effect on BRCA genes, the only way to reduce cancer risk if you have BRCA mutations is to reduce DNA damage. Eating a lot of fruits and veggies and no red meat have moderate DNA protective effects and mildly reduces lifetime cancer risk. But you know what? If you get ductal cell carcinoma insitu when you are in your 20's, and have BRCA1 and/or 2 mutations, you basically have a 100% risk of getting breast cancer, and no amount of exercise, fruits, veggies, and diet is going to stop it. Sites like that are more harmful to women than even the most dangerous chemotherapeutic agent, because it makes women think that all it takes is a good diet and exercise and sunbathe to prevent breast cancer and they end up opting out from lifesaving anticancer treatment.

As for copyvio of the pink ribbon, if you click on to the image, there is a link that links it to the wikia commons image. --Lania 15:28, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

That's cool, I didn't know you played such an active role in breast cancer research, that's really impressive. I just had a thought, if we could find a gfdl friendly ribbon picture that's a little bigger, we could make a user box for people, and maybe have it say something that will attract attention. (Satanael | talk) 06:44, 1 July 2010 (UTC)