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GW Hack or wiki lack?

I was doing the last mission in Nightfall together with some other people when i see this assassin with some nice armor, so i thought i should get that armor for my assassin. I win the mission etc. etc. Then when i check wiki armor galleries for assassin the armor is not there! I checked everything very carefully but nothing. I do not have any third party programs and have never downloaded anything special for GW. So is this a hack or just a lack of information on the wiki?58.172.73.153 17:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

it's most likely neither. If you're sure it was an assassin, it's possiable that it wasn't just one type of armor, so you wouldn't find an exact match. Look for individual pieces instead ofa whole set. ~PheNaxKian Talk 17:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

All armors are accounted for, and I doubt anyone was able to hack Anets servers. A screenshot would have helped. You sure it wasn't the Deldrimor armor set? It is often overlooked. --Arduinna 17:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Look again at all armors in the game for all professions and No screen - it didn't happened =P Biz 10:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps the assassin in question was a hero? Heroes have their own armors arts. -- Alaris 13:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Have to agree with everything above. It is highly unlikely to be a hack, as for a wiki lack, the armour overview pages are in fact quite thorough on this wiki. Thus it either wasn't an assassin you saw or it was a hero, who do indeed have sexy armour. Can you describe the armour you saw? As if so we may be able to help direct you to the armour in question. -- Salome 13:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I am 100% shure that it was a assassin and not a hero. I have checked through all armor galleries and none look the same. i didnt think i would need to take a pic cause i thought it would be on the wiki. I do remember the name of the character(double bladed tuna chick). The armor had on legs and chest like wide silk strings that were gold and flapped around all the time. All the rest of the armor was like normal. Just flat with a golden pattern(dragons i think). Hope this helped to find the answer.58.172.73.153 18:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

This might sound stupid, but you are not running textmod with a armor skin mod loaded? Because if you are 100% sure it was an assassin, that is was not a hero, and that it is not on the wiki that is the only thing I can think of. --Lensor (talk) 19:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

That settles it... you've seen Elementalist in Vabbian armor =) Biz 20:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anyone can confuse an Assassin with an Elementalist, be it male or female...--Arduinna 22:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I know you said you were certain it wasn't a hero, but your description sounds awfully similar to Anton's Deldrimor set, or possibly Jora's default armor. As for the person you saw: the name "Double Bladed Tuna Chick" doesn't exist. It can't: character names may have up to 19 characters; this one has 24. I tried every 19-character variation of the name I could think of, but those didn't exist either. So you were definitely mistaken about at least one aspect of this person you saw. --Mme. Donelle 14:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Ooh, perhaps it was Necromancer Primeval armor dyed yellow? --Mme. Donelle 15:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Quite a fun search for this armor, isn't it? :) --Arduinna 16:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Proberly an armor Combo that the Person Likes, you dont have to just run the set u craft u can chop and change --Wild 08:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

What he is describing sounds like a mix of armor including Ancient (go to other wiki to see a better picture then is posted here).--Shayne123 16:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

ROFLMAO "...go to other wiki to see a better picture then is posted here..." Lame screen shots FTW apparently -- Salome 18:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Im not saying this is the case.. but i remember years ago with a friend we see a ultra extra rare warrior with an Awesome armor and when we come close he left the town.... A couple weeks/months later Nigthfall and the primeval armors cometo the game XD.. i know i kno.. sure its not the case.. but is nice to dream about.Kioga 19:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like this mix: Hands and feet from the Nightfall Ancient armor set and chest and legs from the Factions Elite Exotic armor set. Qaletaqa 02:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Monastery Credits etc.

I've made a good bit of my money through buying monastery credits for 50g and trading them to a monastery quartermaster for scrolls valued @ 100g each. I've asked about this on the talk page for "Scam", but I'd really appreciate an official view on this. Is what I've been doing considered a scam? I consider it a decent way to make profit, but I have gotten several *awful* messages in-game from people saying I'm ripping noobs off and I'm a scammer, calling me phrases I won't repeat, etc. To be honest, I have not settled some of those arguments in a respectful way. It could be considered ripping people off, but in the same way, so could several other ways of making profit. I'm not going to continue this if you think it's not alright or if it definitely is not alright. Thanks for your time.-- Shew 21:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This sounds like a support question more than anything. As the discussion below notes, there's a difference between intentionally misleading people/lying and selling items to people who are just not savvy enough consumers to know the market value of an item. It sounds like a case of "buyer beware", but I can also see the point that if you're an experienced player, the nice thing to do would be to ask for the market value for an item. Whether this is something that could get your account blocked, I'm not entirely sure. --Regina Buenaobra

Quick thing: the "etc." refers to Luxon Tokens, Imperial Commendations, & other items for trade.-- Shew 21:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not a scam, you aren't tricking anyone. You aren't stealing from anyone, you are simply giving people who don't know the value of the items in questing money that they might otherwise throw away for more storage space.~>Sins WDB 23:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't consider this a scam. But people might say that you take advantage of those who don't know the value of things, as the quartermasters are usually right around the area where you obtain the said collectibles, so they have access to them, just haven't figured it out yet. I wouldn't worry about this too much, but I'm also not the type to use this to get rich. I might try buying them and changing for booze or superiour salvages/IDs, that's about it. Rose Of Kali 23:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Scam? No. If you're doing that with monastery credits then you're taking advantage of new players who don't know how things work, that in my view is a negative thing. But, that's just me. [puts hand up] I'm one of the guys that'll post in local that's they're worth 100g when someone tries to buy them for less. :P 000.00.00.00 23:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm guilty of doing that too. :P *slaps the parrot on the beak* Rose Of Kali 23:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

@ the 0 ip: hehe; I don't get mad when people do that because it's perfectly fair & honest, I just get mad when people say don't buy from "username." I don't do this with the intention of taking advantage of people; my intention is to get money.-- Shew 01:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, by the way. I think I'll drop this way of profit & stick w/ harvesting Nicholas's gifts.^^-- Shew 01:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh... money. There is a better way to get money, which is the one I suggest those that like to ask for 50g to open the storage in a newbie town... to get the 50g and change district to beg again for 50g: go outside and kill stuff. All scams are done with the intention of getting money at the expense of other players' good will, naivety or lack of information. That's not an excuse. This may be in the gray zone, and players do not lose much gold when being scammed this way, but it doesn't make it less bad. MithTalk 01:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Good point there. I'm not scamming, though. And just to clarify about my above comment, I'm talking about Nicholas the Traveler, of course. I'm not one of those people who sells the Huntsman's gifts for 5k.-- Shew 01:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, now that I think about it, it's more like a scam...-- Shew 01:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Another comment; sorry; I'm not a proponent of farming. I prefer profit/ quests to the former.-- Shew 01:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw a guy in GTOB selling "huntsman gifts (the gifts from the traveler)" for 4k each, and he seemed to perfectly aware that those are different things when I asked him. So I reported the scammer... Rose Of Kali 10:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I think there is a definite line between this and a scam. A victim of a scam does not receive what he thought he was getting; this, however, involves someone aware that they are selling their monastery credits for 50g each. They are not aware of the full value, but nor is anyone who buys any item for less than it could be sold for. It's profit; pure profit. Maybe it does leech off of ignorance or apathy, but it's definitely not a scam.-- 199.88.16.253 13:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

No, that's just a type of scam, there are more than one, for example... 'service scams', 'hide truths scams', 'show and tell scams', 'the ol' switcheroo scams'...and scammers get more and more 'imaginative' every day. There are items with not actual minimum values, such as ZKeys or Trophies with no 'Value' property (Torment Gems, Chalices of Diesa), or weapon drops, those may be deeper into the gray zone, but quest reward trophies have actual minimum prices: the maximum amount gold you can get with them. A scammer won't say "I'll buy all your trophies that can be used to get 100g with this collector next to me for 50g", he would just try to get lucky. There are collectors in the Shiverpeaks that will give you 125g items in exchange for 5 8g trophies, but you have to get there, giving extra value to the transaction, so buying those is not a scam. But for quest trophies the collectors are REALLY easy to access... MithTalk 14:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The various types of scams you mentioned are examples of what I said above; this is NOT a scam. A scam involves DECEPTION. There is absolutely no deception. Both parties are fully aware of the transaction, not necessarily the value, though. But a scam exercises deception.-- 199.88.16.175 15:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Imo this is not a scam. You can offer a low price to buy anything on the market, why would that be so bad? Any player, new or old should be so smart to check prices before they sell and/or buy something. If you don't, then that's the risk you take. I myself am a real noob in prices so most of the time I sell my stuff (too) cheap. I really don't care, if I cared I should check it but I'm too lazy for that. It's not that the real world is any different. Sure it's a good thing to protect the 'weak and fragile' people, but people taking some responsibility for their own actions wouldn't be bad either if you ask me. -- Pepper - Dewdrop talk 16:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hiding the truth is a type of lie. Unless you tell people they can use the trophies themselves to get double the gold you pretend to pay them for, (in which case they will obviously go for the collector) you are deceiving them. MithTalk 17:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Deceiving would be if you would tell this person that he can't get more for it or something like that. Would you argue that in a store they have to tell you you can get an item cheaper at a different store, or otherwise they are deceiving? There is always a chance people will abuse the fact that you didn't inform yourself, better learn it quick (and cheap if you ask me ;)) -- Pepper - Dewdrop talk 18:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not deception. It's either their ignorance of value or their lack of care about the credits. (Shew)-- 199.88.16.253 18:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I never ever liked the idea of credits and stuff, jsut give me gold as a reward and alow me to buy the stuff from regular merchants... MrPaladin 18:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Concealing truth is different in execution from directly lying, but that does not necessarily make it any different in consequences. Hiding the truth in this case can be considered benign by many, but you make money from other people's ignorance, which can be considered exploitation. So again, this may not really be considered a scam by definition, but is one by the mentality of what you're doing, as you are consciously hoping to catch people who don't know. The only people who sell these are new players who cannot find a use for them yet (older players will trade them at least for kits, if they really don't need them for anything else, or use them the way you do), and as such, they will not have much money to begin with, and that 50g seems like a lot to them, but they don't realize that they've just been jipped out of another 50g. So it's really up to you if you do this or not, but do realize exactly what you are doing. I wouldn't feel bad if I ripped off a power trader who has millions of gold and property across multiple mules, as that's what they do anyway (not like I'd ever have enough initial capital and market savvy to even think about outsmarting a power trader...), but I certainly don't feel right ripping off someone who has nothing to begin with.

You're all saying that it's the credit seller's fault for not checking prices, but you're basically saying that it's ok to scam, as it's always the victim's fault for not knowing about that type of scam and not protecting themselves. Yes, becoming a victim is their fault, but that doesn't make you innocent. Rose Of Kali 19:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't say I would feel right doing it. The question was is it scamming, and imo it's not. And I don't like to bother with those thingies, so you can see me selling them...even as a nice gesture for those in need. And I disagree with making distinction between who you scam. A scam is a scam, it doesn't depend on how rich the victim is, it's about the principle... EOT for me ;) -- Pepper - Dewdrop talk 19:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

All I was saying that in this particular case, 99% of the time you are dealing with beginners. I guess I was feeling a bit Robin-Hoody. And the fact that it's the victim's fault, doesn't make it ok for you to continue. This is still a question of mentality, not the official word. In Romania incest is legal. Would you still do it there just because it's ok by the government? Rose Of Kali 19:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok ok one last post :P The question was "Is this scamming", not "Is this a noble act" ;) I have never bought any of those items, nor do I intend to...too much fuzz over 50g if you ask me. -- Pepper - Dewdrop talk 19:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok ok, the question also was "if you think it's not alright or if it definitely is not alright." This to me is "not alright." Rose Of Kali 19:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm back home so now I can be under my name. I think it's clear that this is not a scam. I as well get the feeling that this is unethical. That's why I was asking about it. I'm defending that this is not a scam, not necessarily that this is moral. I will stop the exploitation, as it's definitely taking advantage of peoples' ignorance, but it's NOT a scam.-- Shew 20:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) scam: a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation, it's only a scam if you represent to buy the item for a fair value, otherwise it's just like, irl, those ads that offer to buy people's gold jewelry for cash. They are not scamming unless they claim to be paying a fair price for the gold, and do not. If you say it is a fair value, and people have a reason to believe you, then it is fraudulent. Otherwise, there's no reason people can't sell anything for less than the real value, if they want to. (Satanael 21:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC))

That's the thing. You are not offering a fair value. You are offering HALF its value. And people won't definitely agree to sell for less if they knew they can get more as easily as walking 5 steps to the collector and then 15 to the merchant. This is not like Shiverpeaks collectors, in that case you must walk a lot to get them exchanged, so the extra cash comes from the extra job. But in this case you can buy those items next to the collector itself! Being the people naive or uninformed is not an excuse, and those that buy Monastery Credits for 50g depend on no one being there to reveal the truth, and then is when this is revealed as a scam. Of course no one is going to prosecute or ban you for this, since it is so little gold and it may be hard to get outposts where no one explains the real value of the items, but, yet again, it's not an excuse to do so. MithTalk 00:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I suggest this section be moved to Talk:Monastery Credit, as it really didn't have much to do with Regina. Rose Of Kali 21:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Or Help:GAME. — Why 21:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I was trying to get Regina's (or ANet's) view on this. & Mith, you fail to understand what a scam is. Just because something is possibly immoral doesn't mean that it's a scam.-- Shew 02:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

@Mith: is buy low/sell high a scam now too? 67.237.225.252 02:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It's deceitful, which is enough to call it a scam. King Neoterikos 07:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Except for the part where it isn't deceitful at all. As long as you aren't lying to him (50g is a great deal, twice what they're worth at the trader!, etc), you aren't deceiving him. If you're saying "hey, I want to buy your credits for 50g," and nothing else, it is not a scam in any sense of the word.

Either way, this has degraded into a circular argument between people who confuse morality with scamming (protip; when there's money involved, morality takes a back seat, even in real life). I'd suggest people stop taking this in circles and just let Regina answer, if she so desires. Before anyone hits "save page," read through the thread - if someone's said what you're going to say, don't bother posting, as you're just getting in the way of this being a remotely useful section for anyone to read. -Auron 07:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Repeat accomplishments

OK so now that we can display our accomplishments account wide in the hall of monuments what is going to be done about repeat accomplishments? Are we going to be given anything or rewarded in any way in GW2 if we have Norn armor on 3 characters on the account or will it be exactly the same as having 1 set of Norn armor? I was just wondering about this so that I can decide weather to work on getting my favorite looking armors for my various different character or if it would be wiser to work on getting different armor sets for each character. Thanks. Kraken 01:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think she can answer this. 000.00.00.00 02:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Pet Collecting

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Now that we are busy beavering away to fill up the meanagerie with all the pets available to us, is there going to be a title track connected to this collecting. Just a thought!! --91.194.221.225 11:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Not when you can pay to have 90% of the pets in all evolutions. Can't really have a title track for the few special ones (that took me a few hours to collect.) --snograt 11:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

As I always said, a simple trophy of Melandru in the HoM would be most fitting. No more titles. Rose Of Kali 17:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Would be nice to have something, would actually fill it then. Like other titles aren't gold sincs anyway... Aro 21:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, since you can't bring people to you zoo even with a locked Charm Animal, it would be nice to bring people to your HoM to show them your statue. But a title is a bit too much for something so easy to do. Sorrow's Furnace is easy too, but it has a statue. So a HoM statue should be enough. MithTalk 23:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

There are aren't any plans to add new titles to the game. --Regina Buenaobra 21:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Repeatable PvE Daily

Has the Dev Team considered adding an additional Zaishen Banner for Elite Missions(Repeatable)? This would help bring more players to these missions throughout the week I'd think, as well as provide a method for PvE-players to acquire Zaishen coins as the current method requires you to PvP or slow PvE-progression via the bounty/mission quests. Just something for the developer staff to consider, PvP dailies should do nicely for PvP-Incentive, this is what I believe would work best for a PvE one. Xitoahc 18:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Most PvPers PvE already and it has 90% of the community fanbase tho, I'm not sure if much more PvE incentive is needed beyond that, lol. I think it's a cool idea but for other reasons (those areas are dead, also for other reasons). I also don't think you can post this here, no suggestions allowed and all that. :/ DarkNecrid 19:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

PvE-Endgame incentive is what I'm referring to, as well as another means to acquire the Zaishen Equipment bags for PvE-only players. Urgoz, Deep, Domain of Anguish and Slaver's Exile are fun cooperative missions that deserve more player attention than what is given currently. A repeatable PvE-daily that would encourage players to form groups for that specific date. The Bounty and Mission are great, but after both are done all a PvE-player has in terms of continuing Zaishen coin progression is PvP. I don't think another means of acquiring Zaishen coins would be a bad idea, seeing as the developers are comfortable with allowing more ease of access to the coins via the Repeatable PvP-quest. Xitoahc 19:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It's good that they are not repeatable, as this encourages people to play multiple characters. 218.214.126.215 05:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

There are two things lefts without people gathering: Challenge Missions and Vanquishing. Those are the hardest ones to find partners. And it would make perfect sense to make Challenge Mission rewards repeatable. And rewards could scale depending on points, starting with 10 cooper for 100 points, and 10+n additional points for n*100 extra points. Challenge missions with an end, such as Glint's Challenge (and Tombs if you consider it a challenge like Glint's instead an elite mission), would have a fixed price. Coins could be also be given at the end of a Vanquish: 35 cooper per boss plus 1 cooper for every 10 enemies would do just fine, and area with 400 monsters and 5 bosses would give 40+175=205 coins. MithTalk 10:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd like challenge missions+vq zquest but I think vq reward should depend upon time, talus chute(384-404) in proph would give +20 if completed, +40 if completed under 75 mins, additional +60 if completed under 60 mins and additional +80 if completed under 45 mins. First nerf 600+smite tho.. - Wuhy 86.101.134.142 14:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Making the reward time-dependant will only make people use the build that provides the highest AI-/skill-abuse, and people will only be accepted into groups if they are willing to play that build. Besides, the biggest mistake (IMO) ANet did with Factions was to use time limits for Expert/Master reward levels instead of providing real bonus goals like in Prophecies.

If at all, the additional rewards should be given for skill. No deaths +100 points, 1-3 deaths +80 points, etc. Xelonir 15:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

No Deaths isn't any better because it can cause a lot of frustration (ask Survivors) and grief. (see now this is the kind of thinking game designers have to do :/) — Poki#3 (talk) 15:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

yea w/e for me i just wanted to say that boss kills are dependent on the area and every quest would be the same just pointing to a different area so... yea the death stuff is better with a step, what about consumable disabling...+50 coins if you dont use any? and +50if you dont use pve-only skills?:P - Wuhy 86.101.134.142 16:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree with the consumables handicap, I never party with a group that demands cons for trivial things - you want cons... bring your own, I don't need them, I carry my own candy canes, that's about it. But I don't agree so much with PvE-only skills. I personally vanquished about 98% of the world with heroes and henchies (Joko's Domain was a little too much), but no consumables (I'm just cheap like that), and pain inverter is a life saver against many of the AoE bosses, even if you're in a mostly human group. And taking away my Necrosis would make me cry... I think using single-person cons (like cupcakes) should cost you 45 coins from the reward (per person who used them), and using any party-wide cons could cost 100 coins to everyone, NOT additive with the 45 for single-person cons, so the most you'd ever lose is 100, not 145. Now there's a challenge for those who want it. Rose Of Kali 22:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)