User talk:Salome/Oct 09 - May 10

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Code halp

So, I had to search through my own talk pages because I once saw a character bar that I really liked, and eventually, I found yours! Because the images go into the menu and I always found that neat. However, I've come across a small roadblock. All the images are different sizes, and I'm wondering what part of the code could help fix that. Several images need their own special sizes, and I can micromanage that myself. I just don't know where in that mess to do it :P-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.pnganguard 20:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Vanguard, I'm not sure I'm answering your question here but I think you mean the fact that the icons are hovering over the tabs themselves. Like the ranger icon is slightly above and to the right of Salome's name on the tab bar.
All of the important stuff can be found in this bit of code:
! style="width:9%" | <div style="position: relative; top:{{{relativ-top|30}}}px;">{{#if: {{{TabName1|}}} |[[Image:{{#var:image1}}.png |{{{size|30px}}}]]}}</div>
To adjust the position of the image you play about with the following bit of code:
The numeric value there controls the vertical axis placement of the image, the higher the value, the lower the image will be into the tab.
Also you can resize the images by changing the values found in this bit of code:
It should be noted however that in my use of the template, as found here, I override both of these values by containing the following usage:
| size=40px | relativ-top=27
which makes those values uniform across all tabs, regardless of whats in the source tab code, thus if you want to manually change each of the tabs pics to different sizes and placements, I would recommend manually changing the source tab template code.
Sorry for my wordy explanation, I'm always a bit crap at explaining my use of code as its mostly what I've cobbled together from things I've seen elsewhere which I've liked. Lensor would be able to help you more than I in this instance really, as I used hers as a template for my own. But I will help anyway I can matey. Regards -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll attempt to figure it out on my own, but I might need to call on you to fiddle with it yourself, if that's okay D:-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.pnganguard 14:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I got it :D-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.pnganguard 14:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I really don't get it

I really do not understand why you are being such a hard head about this Nicholas link. Of course it is going to use something that isn't used elsewhere. The optional fields in the {{archive-box}} are perfectly viable and acceptable options. I don't understand why you can't be in any way flexibile. IMO it makes you a HORRIBLE candidate for Bcrat, and even worse as a sysop. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 19:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Wyn, it is a shame that you interpret people not agreeing with you as being hard headed. I am also somewhat surprised that you still take intellectual disagreements about the formation of the wiki in such a personal manner. I know you care about this wiki, so do I and so do alot of people, being able to discuss what we care about in an open forum and how we would like the wiki to grow, is part of the joy of the wiki and the continual free flow of ideas is a positive thing. If you read my comments you will see that time and again I am trying to think up of solutions to this issue and I have not once suggested removing the link completely or have I tried to completely disregard other peoples suggestions. Instead I have repeatedly thought and rethought of ways we could compromise and make things work. Having an archive box which says "Alternative Nicholas Archive" when read as a normal user, does not make any sense. I am currently seeing if their is a way I could manually mod the archive box on that page, so that it can be both clear, prominent and useful to all users involved. Beyond that I have to say I fail to see why you are taking this so personally. As a sysop one knows that a user putting forward their point of view in a respectable manner is not to be confused with trolling or being disruptive. Thus far however many of your comments have been emotional and defensive throughout with continued comments that could just incite flames than you have continued to personal messages on both de konnings page and my own venting your frustration. To be honest I'm a bit surprised by that and a bit disappointed that you are letting your more emotional side over run the logical Wyn that I both care about and respect, thus in the interests of friendship may I ask that you both reread my messages as a friend rather than an adversary and take a new look at what I've been saying. All along I've been trying to work with you to find workable solutions, not against you. Be well Wyn and warm regards -- Salome User salome sig2.png 20:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
But modifying the archive box goes back to using a format that isn't used anywhere else, so you are contradicting yourself. As to taking this personally, I really am not, I just don't understand that absolute resistance to any of the suggestions that have been made. Considering there was no resistance at all to having the alternative dialogue actually ON the talk page for MONTHS, adding a simple, single line link at the top of the talk page seemed a very unobtrusive, and acceptable solution, and even poke agreed. The fact that you are lawyering against a permanent link (even though that appears to be the clearest way to make it clear it is NOT game factual, and trying to hide it away as another archive (which it is not) just doesn't make any sense. I am not saying this because you are disagreeing with ME, it's just prolonging something that really doesn't merit the amount of debate it has gotten, and I'm just dumbfounded at the whole thing. I really wish people would stop calling me emotional, because the only emotion I have exhibited is sheer disbelief at the absolute inability of some people to compromise. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 20:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Wyn I'm not going to argue with you about if you have been emotional or not. If you feel you haven't been, then I won't tell you that you have. Either way instead of jumping on me, take a look at what I've been working on ever since you mentioned modding the archive box. (I have attached an image below. I just need to get the code right and I'm pestering a few guys to help me code it, I also think if we made this change to the archive box template as an extra variable it might come in handy in the future if this ever arises again in the future. What do you think? -- Salome User salome sig2.png 20:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

User Salome Modded Archive box.jpg

I think it's great. And you might want to move your question (not this whole topic, please, that talk page is already long enough) to the relevant talk page. Just so as to not fuel anymore of the ramblings about elitism, etc. that have already plagued that discussion. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 20:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
We don't need to modify the code of the archive box actually, we could just use something like {{archive box|[[/link 1]]<br>[[/link 2]]<br><hr><center><b>Fan Fiction</b></center><hr>[[User:Wakawaka/link 3]]}}--Fighterdoken 20:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Fighter, you are an absolute STAR!!! You can have my first born!!!! :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 20:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

On the topic that won't go away

I appreciate your efforts to craft a compromise on the link/don't-link for the non-canonical Nick. Thank you.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

thanks Ernie. That really does mean alot to me. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 23:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
You are welcome. PS please call me TEF (for some reason, no one else uses, Ernie).   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
That's a total invitation to troll Ernie. Misery 06:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

You kept a level head there and conveyed what were basically my views with a lot more eloquence, tact and diplomacy than I could have. IMO needs more Salomes here :) Jennalee 11:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Was really worried that I just annoyed alot of peeps during that convo so I'm glad that people realised I wasn't trying to be an arse. Thus once again guys, thanks alot, it does mean alot to me. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 18:15, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


don't ever do that again, please. -Auron 07:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Other side to the story?

I imagine there's another side to the current drama that resulted in B'crat voting changes. I'd be interested in hearing your side (either here or via email). Thanks.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 07:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

This may partially answer your question if you were unaware of it. Misery 08:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Misery. That partially answers my question.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Seriously Ernie, that was the best response I've had to that statement today. I don't know why, but I laughed really hard at the way you worded that. Perhaps there is something wrong with me. Misery 08:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, I hope it was a good just because laugh. (Perhaps there is something wrong with you: while I took pains to word my response for a possible snicker, it hardly rates a laugh unless it was entirely at my expense.)   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I think I am easily amused. What a horrible affliction. Erm, I think I also drifted off topic, so any further responses should probably be directed to my talk page, it's mostly full of irrelevant crap anyway. Misery 09:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I have responded on the talk page of the page in question. Hopefully I will have answered you there, if not please tell me and I will answer any questions you may have. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 12:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, I think that addresses my concern that people might have been reacting in advance of having all the facts. I appreciate you taking the time to respond candidly to the issues raised.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
No worries TEF, anytime man. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 09:23, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


Do you check/have an email linked to email this user, or is my email lost to the void? Misery 07:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that Miz, I have been focused on my main email account due to me getting accepted for LTK, and neglected to look at my wiki mail. I have read and responded now. :) Regards -- Salome User salome sig2.png 09:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Cool beans, just wasn't sure if you got it. I'll likely respond when I get the chance. Misery 09:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
No worries. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 09:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I've sent you an important email. I hope you read it soon. Batchie 08:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
letter bomb imo -Auron 09:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

You deserve this!

Knight This user owned Sonic in an epic chess game.

Sonic the CHESS NAZI Sunday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 20:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

LOL, thank you kindly, although I wouldn't say owned, it was a really enjoyable match! Thank you for a great game! -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


We are so good at wall of texting each other. Misery 19:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

LOL, it would seem so. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 19:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Time Zones

Actually, that is still being discussed at GWWT:GF#Time Zones and GWWT:GF#Final Tables Format. --DryHumour 19:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


Late ban is late. Also, passive aggression is just as much of a violation of NPA as active aggression. So, Wyn is at equal fault. Not saying that I wouldn't have done the same thing, just saying....poor timing....and poor reasoning. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 21:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

KJ no offence mate but your back seat sysoping is becoming tiresome, you've been doing it for awhile now and each time it's been barely hidden shit-stirring. Wuhy broke NPA, Wyn did not. Calling someone's idea stupid is not a breach of NPA, calling someone an asshole is. If you can point me to Wyn's clear breach of NPA, I would be grateful, if not I would suggest you go read policy again and see what is defined as a personal attack. I would also suggest you take into account that over the past 3 months this is the third time Wuhy has been blocked due to personal attacks. persistant troll is persistant. Also as a closing point, a 24 hour time lapse is not a get out of jail free card. Hope this helps. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC) everyone stressed out or something today? The passive aggressive bullshit is getting old. Next time a simple, "KJ shut up" would suffice. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 22:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
It won't matter, because you can't take a hint to shut up. This drama is getting really boring and predictable. Really, it's like a broken recorder when I troll RC:"oh noes you were aggressive in a passive way" in pretty much every post you have made. I dislike Wyn and Salome in general for various reasons not different from yours, but I respect the way they ban the annoying and disruptive people from the wiki(which is doing their jobs, btw). Just read the claptrap in Wuhy's contribs, and tell me he doesn't deserve a permaban right from the start. Pika Fan 22:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, things get pretty old when you're the only one even mentioning it. -Cursed Angel Q.Q 23:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Seems like some people had colonoscopies today....or should have one. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 23:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
No, you just need to shut up(is this direct enough?). Pika Fan 23:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad I never represent myself as who I actually am on places like this, if I took these things seriously you'd all make my brain explode. Though, "I like this place. It's exciting." And, Wyn is being passive aggressive, but what can ya do? /goes back to his cleaning. ~~ 23:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Since i didn't bothered catching up with the background of the discussion, all this Pasive/Agressive talk is making me think of something else. Too much anime i guess XD.--Fighterdoken 23:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
lol, way to "retaliate" like an angry 12 year old. -Cursed Angel Q.Q 23:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
TROLL FIGHT! /throwstroll. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 23:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
this isn't pvx, stop sucking each other off. -Auron 23:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
KJ shut up -Cursed Angel Q.Q 23:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


I did it like I did, to better viewing as well as not being too long and messed up like so many are. They're harder to see as is. 18:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

As already said on the formatting page I was going to wait til a consensus was reached either way. This wasn't aimed at you Ariyen, it was just trying to find consensus on a preferred style. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 23:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Because that section is already long enough

Have a Wii? Point and click (actually click and point, but, meh) swimming is possible (and kind of addictive) in the scuba diving game: Endless Ocean. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 17:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

not tried it but how does it determine depth as a 3 dimensional point? As in how does it now if i want to swim just a lil up and to the side or if i want to swim up and to the side and all the way into the picture? -- Salome User salome sig2.png 17:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Kind of hard to describe, but you click and swim forward. That can be up, to the side, down, etc. You're kind of swimming along your viewpoint. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 17:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Okie dokie, I'll probably give it a shot as in a 3 dimensional space not sure how it can work out how far into the picture i wish to swim without some other form of input indicating depth as point and click only really functions on the X, Y planes, thus with the addition of a Z plane things tend to get confusing for point and click. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 17:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
There are plenty of similar applications that have been programmed. Drag and drop of vertices in 3d modelling programs for example. It's not perfect, but you fiddle a bit and it works. Misery 17:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

writing skills

Could you maybe break future responses into paragraphs and be a little less verbose? I often find it hard to read your comments. Thanks :P -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

sorry, been writing alot of articles recently and seem to be stuck in that writing style, which is making me even more verbose than normal. I'm finding myself saying things 3 times, when once would do. I'll try and cut it down abit. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 22:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't be a spazz

I meant the hoo-hah, I wasn't calling anyone a spazz. You know I love you Salome. Misery 18:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

YAY!!!! (stops crying into pillow) <3 -- Salome User salome sig2.png 18:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Color Help

Thanks for the layout template; I'm much indebted to you, Thor, and Lensor. If you've time, I need help matching the color of the tabs to the color of the page. As you can see on my user page, I can't quite get the colors to match (at least on pages that aren't the first one). How do I fix this?

Never mind; I just figured it out on my own. Sorry for pollutin' your talk page. Once again, kudos on your design. --Threid 22:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Name Pronunciation

Is it pronounced Sal-o-me, Sal-ome or Sal-o-meh? Something else? The wiki world awaits your response. --Threid Threid's talk page 22:54, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL, the name itself has a few different ways of being said, mainly due to it not having a clear Aramaic root and it now existing in about 8 different languages. I personally have always pronounced it "Sahl-oh-may" and when I think of my ranger that's how I say her name in my head. Hope this helps. :) EDIT: Also your user page is coming along nicely!-- Salome User salome sig2.png 00:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
That's how I wanted to pronounce it in my head. Interesting name choice, and congratulations on having a Wikipedia page devoted to your name! My user page is a near carbon-copy of yours; thanks for sharing, and for noticing. Cheers. --Threid Threid's talk page 02:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi, just dropping you a note. Have a nice day. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 13:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

??? Errr...thanks i suppose. (WTB a clue) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
He is informing you that NuckleaVII has a banner that resembles a system image banner on his user page. Misery 21:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
And that matters why? Many people have that kind of banner asking for new messages and directing to their talk page, as long as it doesn't rick role people or in any other way troll the hell out of people, I'm not personally sure how it's a problem. The text also makes it pretty clear that it is not a system message. (just reread that and it sounded kinda aggressive, didn't mean it to come out like that, just curious as to what AFK thinks the issue is) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Not a NPA vio

I like anal sex a good deal. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 00:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC) (proceeding comment was made by Karate Jesus, not Salome.)
See? Now that I know where the line is, I can narrowly avoid bans. Owait, do I have to have a friend that's an admin to do it? Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 18:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Impersonation: Quick and easy way to get banned. Salome may have missed that bit, but it still doesn't give you the right to reciprocate. --NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 18:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Same thing happened to me with no ban, so obviously it's not a vio. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 19:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
lol KJ, find something else to do, you ain't no good at this trolling business -- pling User Pling sig.png 19:03, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I know...but I do my best :/ Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 19:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
"Salome may have missed that bit...doesn't give you the right to reciprocate". Gee, I'm sorry for ignoring the issue and making uninformed comments. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 19:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Can I be fucked writing a long winded polite explanation of the differences in both issues? *ponders* Not really, as bored of explaining things to people who have no grasp of nuance, so in closing KJ you said you don't like passive aggressive comments and prefer blunt statements, so do me a favour STFU & GTFO. (also a friend who's an admin?! ROFL Cursed and I are not friends by a long shot) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Can YOU leave everyone else alone and CALM DOWN!|Killer demonUser Killer demon User-Killer demon.jpg 09:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
And can you stop posting to dead topics? poke | talk 13:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Have to admit, it confused the hell outta me for awhile. Was searching about on my page for an edit for ages, until I accepted defeat and checked the edit history. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 14:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


"Also Vili when did you get back? I thought you quit the wiki. WB (although I'm assuming this is somewhat belated)"

...what'choo talkin' 'bout? I haven't quit the wiki for awhile now. At least a week, certainly. I'm also on #gww like every day. (You are aware that I go as Alex` there, aren't you? We've conversed more than once within recent memory. :\ ) Vili 点 User talk:Vili 04:59, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

"I haven't quit the wiki for awhile now." - I lol'ed. poke | talk 15:45, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
So thats who the mysterious Alex is on irc.... --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Clearly I did not know alex was you, I thought Alex was just friendly. lol It's good to see you back anyway. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 17:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
"I thought Alex was just friendly" - I lol'ed again :O poke | talk 18:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


You are nominated. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 21:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Awe Awe --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 21:06, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
costly interrupt is costly. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 21:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Got to interrupt the stances they use while they're down. --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 21:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


Have a Happy and a Merry!  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 00:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)



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You're the opposite of me. :P User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 20:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL. Yes Born in Derry and now living in Bonny Edinburgh! Although I don't think I would ever go back now! -- Salome User salome sig2.png 20:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Born in Glasgow and living in Dublin for me. :P User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 12:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Are user page edits minor edits?

Asking you because this page said I could ^_^. Is there an unofficial policy on marking edits to user pages as "minor?" I feel like I should, as such edits are secondary in importance to GW content edits, and may be readily excluded from the "Recent changes" section by those seeking to keep up on more important (less unimportant?) edits to the wiki. The minor edit page seems to imply that if an edit is not likely to be disputed, it may be marked as minor. So, is marking edits to user pages as "minor " a matter of preference?
P.S. This is a matter of truly minor importance, but thanks for your help anyway. --Threid Threid's talk page 08:49, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no real set rule on what must be marked minor or not marked as minor. The main thing to take into consideration when editing user talk pages is that there is a Mediawiki option that a user can set to only email them for non-minor edits to their talk page, and not email them for minor ones. So if you want to respect this option, then anything you don't consider worth notifying the user of (fixing a typo, continuing a conversation that's actively going on, et cetera) should probably be marked as minor; anything you would want them notified about should be left as non-minor. Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 09:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Yup Aiiane pretty much covered it all there. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 12:55, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Aiiane, I was going to post this on your talk page, since you're the new bureaucrat and all, but I was more familiar with Salome and Abberant and didn't want to bother someone who might be busy with official duties. In any case, thanks for the quick response! I'll continue to mark my user and talk page edits as minor. Most of the users on whose talk pages I'm posting are wiki lurkers anyway, and they notice that something's changed fairly quickly. --Threid Threid's talk page 19:57, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Generally, posting on an admin's (or even a popular editor's) talk page will get responses from all sorts of people, as many of us have each other watchlisted. - Tanetris 21:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Especially when you post the same thing on multiple pages, all of which I have watchlisted. ;) Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to get opinions from two people of different wiki approaches. Hope that's okay. --Threid Threid's talk page 06:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Just to add on (a bit slow) but this is suggested in the etiquette section of the User Page policy: "When making edits to your user page or its subpages, always mark them as minor edits to allow them to be filtered from the list of recent changes". Pretty sure the etiquette section means it's optional, even though it says "always"... /shrug ~Celestia 07:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Soz o_O

I was having an afternoon nap when you PMed me. :( We still haven't gotten to do any adventuring together, which we definitely must sometime soonish. Anyway, a happy new year to you and your SO, and here's to a great 2010 for everyone! :D --KOKUOU 23:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries mate. Happy new you to you too and we should definitely go do something in game together at some point soon! -- Salome User salome sig2.png 14:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

So I heard you're a year older?...

Happy Birthday! This user would like to wish you a Happy Birthday!

-- My Talk Lacky 05:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Salome! :] poke | talk 08:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Happy Birthday, indeed! --Threid Threid's talk page 08:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations Salome ^^ -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 09:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Happy Birthday Salome :) --Kakarot Talk 11:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks guys! Much appreciated! :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 14:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Happy birthday ;) WhyUser talk:Why 15:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Happy birthday =) User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 21:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations Sal! ^^ - J.P.User J.P. Christmas sig.pngTalk 22:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, Salome! :D --KOKUOU 22:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

"better handle on the BC/sysop role divide"

I'm not going to pursue this further on the ArbComm's page thanks to Wynthyst's request, but you are actually wrong in the divide you mentioned. Lena did not ask Gordon for an ArbComm; Gordon proposed him one (which IMO was a mistake, but anyway). We have had, in this wiki, the following chain of events:

  1. A sysop decided to review old perma blocks and discuss with other sysops (and no bureaucrats) if those blocks should exist or not (which IMO was a mistake, but anyway).
  2. An user comes asking for a review of an old perma block.
  3. Either we assume that bureaucrats are needed to review perma blocks (and thus 1 should not have happened, given how it was the sysops who discussed the issue there) or we assume that bureaucrats are not needed to review perma blocks (and thus Gordon had absolutely zero obligation of proposing an ArbComm to Lena).

Either way, Gordon is wrong. Erasculio 14:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, imo it isn't that big of a wrong. The sysops reached a set of decisions based on their consensus, and since Lena didn't like the decision, he escalated it to ArbComm. It's like a court ruling going to a higher level. --JonTheMon 14:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's a big issue either, but I think Erasculio's point is simply that Gordon shouldn't have taken the initiative in mentioning ArbComm to Lena at all. -- User Sig.png 14:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Aberrant is right, but the specific reason why I'm mentioning it here is in reply to Salome's comment on the divide between the role of bureaucrats and sysops. Given how Lena had not asked for an ArbComm, Gordon would have been perfectly in his right to tell Lena "no", using the same discretion used in the block reviews. The current ArbComm request is the consequence of his decision. Erasculio 15:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
So you think that Lena shouldn't have been told about the process because he didn't know about it? Or do you think that it's not under the purview of the bureaucrats to review perma-bans? To me, Gordon just said, "I'm done with this, if you want help, this is the next step. Do you want to go to the next step?" I would compare it to the Ask an Account Question page here. We don't turn away people, we say, "this is what we can do, if you need more help, contact support". -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 15:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
"Or do you think that it's not under the purview of the bureaucrats to review perma-bans?" - Do you think it's under the purview of sysops to review perma-bans? If yes, Gordon could have said "no". If no, Gordon couldn't have reviewed the perma-bans in his Block review page. Erasculio 15:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Even if Gordon had specifically said, "no", (which is basically what he did), the next step still would have been to request an arb-comm. Whether or not Gordon could have or should have reviewed the blocks in the first place, is, imo, a mostly separate issue (I say mostly because Lena likely wouldn't have contacted him or used the specific language he used had Gordon not constructed the project in the first place). -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 15:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Rather the opposite: Gordon not only said "yes" to the appeal, he also created the ArbComm request. He cannot claim he had any obligation of doing so, as his own block review page showed how he believed the had the authority to review permabans; and not only to unlift permabans but also to no unlift them, as the blocks in that page which were not lifted were not sent to ArbComms.
See, you cannot claim Gordon had no discretion in this issue (which would also mean he had no blame in the following drama) and ignore Gordon's block review page. Either Auron's statement in the ArbComm page is right (and thus Gordon would be wrong), or Gordon could not have reviewed any block and thus that project should have been voided (as it wasn't); in either case, Salome's point about the divide between the role of sysops and bureaucrats is moot, given how Gordon himself is not following such divide. Erasculio 15:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
If they were occurring at the same time, I would mostly agree with you. However, Gordon's block review project was shelved, and he is proposing a policy instead. This took place (weeks?) before Lena's most recent request for a review, so I think that Gordon's simply changed his mind, or is following what he believes to be the current consensus pending a change in the official policy. You're trying to compare separate events, both in time and "space", I just don't think that's the way it's working. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 15:48, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) One of the many roles of a BC is to act as almost an appellant court in instances where a user feels he is being treated unfairly by the sysops. The recent discussion of block reviews made it very clear how the sysops felt about Lena's block, therefore the next natural step (both logically and according to policy) is for Lena to request an arbcomm. If the BC's feel that the arbcomm is warranted (which I don't think it is), they can decide to pursue the issue further, however they can also decide to oppose the arbcomm. It is this choice that Gordon has given the BC's, which will bring final closure to the issue. The fact that Lena is not as familiar with out policies and administrative structure should not be used to prevent him from prevailing himself upon the forms of appeal that we have put in place, exactly for instances such as this. You're statement seems to suggest some darker underhanded motivation to Gordon's actions and their is 0 proof of this evident in Gordon's actions. It also suggests that you seem willing to prevent users (regardless of their history) from utilising all methods of appeal open to them if they do not know those methods are available to them, which I personally find far more underhanded.
Further to this your logic above is faulty on a few points, for example you say that either you feel a sysop can review perma-blocks or cant, either of which means that Gordon has acted incorrectly at some point, however it overlooks the simple fact that BY POLICY a sysop has complete discretion to review a block by them self, however CONVENTION and simple WIKI-ETIQUETTE says consensus must be reached in reviewing blocks, as it avoids future wiki-drama. Gordon tried simply abiding by policy with his block review and it caused a shit storm, now he's acting as the other sysops asked him too, which is putting a review forward for consensus to be gained via the BC's, and you seem to wish to crucify him for this.
As I said before, this is a NONE issue and is only being made into an issue by people moaning about Gordon. Gordon has given the BC's a choice, as any sysop being asked for review should have done in this instance. Those who wouldn't are preventing the BC's from fulfilling their role as intended on this wiki. Simply put guys, I don't really know why you lot care at the moment, only 3 people on this wiki are BC's and the ball is firmly in their court. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 17:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

(EC) Freedom, I would agree with you if the block review had been shelved for being considered a mistake. But it wasn't, as it was only archived when it had no block left to be discussed; the proof of that is how the blocks which were uplifted remain uplifted now. If Gordon believed now (iow, after closing his block review project) that reviewing perma blocks requires a bureaucrat, he would have asked for an ArbComm now for the blocks which he removed in his project. The fact he has not done so (and is not doing so) shows how he still believes a sysop can judge whether a perma block is valid or not; and so he could have used his judgment to tell Lena "no". In less words, what Gordon did wasn't what he had the responsibility of doing as a sysop; what he did was what he decided to do as a sysop, and thus he has to bear the responsibility of his decision when questioned. His claims that he's just doing what Lena asked, or Salome's claim that he's just doing what every sysop should have done, are false. Erasculio 17:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
"You're statement seems to suggest some darker underhanded motivation to Gordon's actions" - not really. As stated above, I think he took a decision (as he chose to help Lena) and is now trying to pretend he didn't make a choice at all (that he just did what Lena asked of him), which is not any breach of policy but wouldn't be a nice example of, in your words, "CONVENTION and simple WIKI-ETIQUETTE".
"It also suggests that you seem willing to prevent users (regardless of their history) from utilising all methods of appeal open to them if they do not know those methods are available to them" - assuming, of course, that Lena knew the results of the decision regarding Wafflez's account, that he didn't want a block review for his own account, that he didn't know about the ArbComm and that he could not be bothered to find about methods in which he could appeal himself. Again, Lena did not ask for an ArbComm, Lena did not state he wanted an ArbComm, he did not state he wouldn't be satisfied with a block review, and he talked to the person in charge of the other block reviews (who did not, in the log we have, tell Lena the conclusions of Wafflez's review). You are free to assume Lena knew just enough about the wiki to coincidently talk to the person who has expressed being against the circunstances in which the block took place and against permabans while not knowing about ArbComms or block reviews, but forgive me for not following such naive line of thinking.
"Gordon tried simply abiding by policy with his block review and it caused a shit storm" - and yet he did not give up, considering how the blocks which were removed thanks to his block reviews are still removed. Hence, he still agrees with his block reviews; and if the option of block reviews is valid, saying "as any sysop being asked for review should have done in this instance" is false - Gordon, when asked about for review, believed and apparently still believes in block reviews instead of in ArbComms. Erasculio 17:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Again thats wrong Eras, the general consensus of the admin team on the blocks that were lifted (and are still lifted today) were that they should have been lifted, thus no need for further appeal on behalf of the user involved. The general consensus on Lena was that the block should stay, Lena feels that the sysops are being unfair in regards to him and thus the correct course of action now is to appeal to the BC's for arbcomm, as clearly stated in our policies. How can you not grasp that? I'm not saying every other sysop would have asked for the arbcomm on Lena's behalf, I am however saying any sysop, doing their job correctly would have done so. Which is probably why Lena asked Gordon, as he was the most likely to take an impartial look at the issue and raise it through the proper channels. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 18:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Further to that I am not being naive, it is quite clear why Lena choose to talk to Gordon. Even if Lena himself only wanted a block review from Gordon alone,(in the hopes that Gordon would be more willing to lift the block than any of the rest of us), Gordon knows the general consensus of the admin team is against the block being lifted, therefore Gordon's response's are limited to either wiping his hands of it and preventing Lena from even having the chance of having his appeal heard by arbcomm or following established policy and raising the issue to Arbcomm due to Lena's continued statements over the past months that he is being victimised by the sysop team. The BC's are there partly as an appellant body for instances where a user feels unjustly victimized by the sysops and wanting a review of their block, despite the validity of that claim. Which is why the BC's have the right to decline the review. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 18:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Agreed with Salome. The ArbComm request is completely appropriate. I expect ArbComm to decline the request, which is also appropriate. Nothing Gordon did involved his sysop powers -- notably, he did not revert the block himself. Are we seriously complaining about somebody asking for something they're entitled by policy and tradition to ask for? —Tanaric 18:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but...

...if my RfA isn't approved, I don't think I would be a good sysop. I'm not too much worried about whether people accept my argumentative personality or not; that kind of thing changes over time, be it for better or for worse. I'm worried about whether the community accepts the posture I have described in my candidate statement; I have stated multiple times how that is the kind of behavior I believe the sysops should have, and those discussions have always frizzled, I don't know if thanks to apathy or disagreement. With my RfA I'm forcing the community to give me an answer (through voting, right, which isn't perfect but appears to be as good as it gets): if I'm opposed, people could be opposing what I said about the roles of sysops, or just opposing me; if I'm accepted, people would be accepting both me and what I said about the roles of sysops. So unless I'm accepted (which is currently very unlikely), I would take it the community disagrees with me about how the sysops should act; and I couldn't be a sysop if I wouldn't be able to follow consensus on the role sysops should have. Of course, that's not necessarily a bad thing (there are plenty very good reasons to oppose both my point of view and me, I'm the first to admit it), so don't think I'm trying to complain about your vote change or trying to change your mind; I just wish the current sysops would follow more the role I have described (and that we got the Move image command on GW2W). Erasculio 16:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Im pondering

Did you get your signature with Texmod? it seems like something i remember from Spraypainting cows in Zashien Menagiere...--Neil2250 , The Zoologist User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 21:50, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

File:Red-leaf-icon.png. It was somewhere in the dat. poke | talk 22:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Mine is from the dat but its not the red leaf one. It's actually the green one which i modded the colour of in GIMP (which is why mine is a tad more yellow). Never knew their was a red version. That was wasted work on my part then. doh! -- Salome User salome sig2.png 00:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Yup.spray painting a cow does have its ups. Btw,This page is 55 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections -Neil2250 , The Zoologist User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 16:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Yup I normally archive on certain months though, for example the next time I normally archive is March, although by that point this page will probably be somewhat unwieldy. :( -- Salome User salome sig2.png 22:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Afaik page length is only an issue if you use like, IE6 or something, and those people should be opposed and antagonized until they see the error of their ways. WhyUser talk:Why 23:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I just hate Scrolling,personaly.--Neil2250 User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 19:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

image question

I know you haven't started on them, but I forgot to reply. Anyways: do we still need dye charts or will you do that too? I have a couple I can probably do still. I'd like to help when you get a system made for the new images if that is possible. I haven't worked much with textmod or alpha channels recently, but how hard can it be? Oh and about the irregular image sizes, that was more about the individual pages for armor of a certain gender, not like for masks galleries or such. It makes sense there. That's why I didn't replace the other images in those. Previously Unsigned 10:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC) 07:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

You there? I don't want to waste money on Vabbian Armor if you're gonna get a dye chart of it in February anyways. Previously Unsigned 01:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey mate. Sorry about not being about. Okay anything you don't dye chart I can. I can also dye chart anything as I have access to all the armours for every proff and about a thousand dyes of each colour. Thus do not put yourself out of pocket if you don't want the armour as I can get any done, which you don't. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 01:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I technically have enough money it's just those damn headpieces where you can't change the attribute and the storage space that kills me. I don't spend much otherwise. For white and black I just photoshop the individual parts together, should do that for Red and Silver as well really. Was wondering if you'd get images from the dat file or whatever you do too. And how did you... honestly you have them all!? For like each profession and gender!? Hax... HAX!!!!!!!!! The way I've been doing them now is just in alphabetical order, no text... I don't know if there is a real guideline (I did read the project tutorial), but I saw some with text and it was so distracting to me and took up extra space so I left them out. It's still easy to see what is what with only 10 dyes and in alphabetical. Previously Unsigned 02:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I dont bother with each gender. You can go to the gender change person and preview the gender change and thus it shows you the armour on the opposite gender. That's what I've been doing. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 11:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you send me some armor pictures then? Like just the screenshot in all dyes? I'll crop and make the final image giving you credit if you don't mind taking some pictures of armor dyed but don't feel like doing the whole process. Can't use Llye for female armor myself since I use the dye preview window since I don't use white/black dye. I wish I could have like guest access to your account how you can have guest access to a guild lol. It'd do all the pics there. It's funny that I'm even interested in this at all since before this I was working with undyed sunspear armor and haven't given a thought to any armor or weapons besides what is functional and cheap. Previously Unsigned 00:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
You there again? If you could take some quick time to do some images I'd love to get all the dye charts for armor you have done in a week or less. How long can it really take? Previously Unsigned 05:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Well at the mo i'm working on my old comp which has a shite integrated graphics card. I've had to send back my new nifty GPU as it went BOOM, so I won't be able to get started on those images until it comes back. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 11:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for telling me. Sorry if I've been too annoying with the messages and such. I just really like to get responses/confirmation on things. So thanks for that. Previously Unsigned 12:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Nay worries mate, its not annoying just had alot go wrong with my stupid comp recently. Feel free to ask me anything on here though, as I don't consider it pestering. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 11:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, can you post when you do have your new computer and everything working? So I know when? Previously Unsigned 19:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

So, any update? I have nothing to ever do, I want to make a difference in something, even if it's just a poor wiki about a video game. Previously Unsigned 22:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

No worries mate. My graphics card is still away being tested at the mo, they are taking bloody ages. Feel free to get started. When I get my GPU back I will get started too, if your pics are better than mine I will leave them as they are, however if I think my images could be better I will post them up on your page so we can decide together which should be used. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 10:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Mine will probably not be better than yours. I was talking about dye charts lol <_<. I'll help you with the other stuff if you like, tell me how that will be done though with the channels and everything. Previously Unsigned 15:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Any update yet? All this silence is driving me insane. Well, not really. Previously Unsigned 07:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

So, what about now? Previously Unsigned 19:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Got component back, having a friend come round to install it tomorrow. However not happy with how it looks as it looks a bit on the damaged side. So will have to see how it does. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

What about now? Previously Unsigned

Now? It is NEVER going to be done! Previously Unsigned 23:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about not being in touch. To be honest I've had a bloody nightmare with my GPU. Never ever shop with SCAN, they are a bunch of charlatans. I am currently looking for a new GPU, much to my annoyance and for some reason no supplier seems to have the GTX 275, which is highly annoying. I am sorry and I don't mean to be dicking you about, but it really is out of my hands. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 23:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Newegg has one from EVGA here [2]. Not sure how long their stock will last...but newegg is like king when it comes to service :). --Lania ElderfireUser Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg 02:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
You should leave them negative reviews at Reseller Ratings or RipoffReport. Me, I only have a ATI 4670. Previously Unsigned 03:51, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I would need three of my current power supply to run that card. :( -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 12:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

How bout now? Previously Unsigned 05:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I really hate to keep poking you, but unless I'm here like a cattle prodder with a pointy herding object, it's not gonna get done! Any update on your graphics card yet? You must have SOMETHING by now, even if its' not the best possible in the world. And if I get some files and know how to upload them I can begin even if you're busy. Previously Unsigned 04:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I think Salome's real life is keeping him busy. I'm sure he'll get to it once he has time, I don't really think poking him every couple of days is going to help much ;) WhyUser talk:Why 12:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Well he said he didn't mind so until he puts his foot down I'm not stoppin! Look at the original date... Previously Unsigned 12:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey mate, Why is a guild mate and someone who I consider a friend, so he knows more about my off wiki life than most, but yeh real world stuff is keeping me fairly busy at the moment. I'm not annoyed by you poking me those previously as i know this has dragged on. At the mo im looking at GPU's and seeing what i can afford and when some more will come down in price. Once i order my GPU, you will be the first person i tell. (i will also be able to finally get back on GW, which ive been missing recently) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 13:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Well I saw you on Guild Wars, I guess this means you're back, unless you were only camping for lucky points. Previously Unsigned 19:41, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

now? Previously Unsigned 23:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

You must have something by now. Can you at least tell me if you're not gonna do it? I mean I already know you aren't but I it from the horse's mouth. Previously Unsigned 01:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay just for response's sake, (as already explained this in whisper online), but have been a tad busy with my flat mate going through treatment for stage 4 cancer and at the same time looking for a job (due to their being no law jobs because of the credit crunch, thus buying a GPU was put on the back burner), I should be getting a GPU tomorrow. (If Amazon delivers on time) thus once it is up and working I will get started on the image project over the weekend and I will contact you in game to show you how I intend to approach the project. Cheers. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 16:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Grrr.... Make that tomorrow, damn you royal mail!!! :( -- Salome User salome sig2.png 17:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


Can you help me with my image? Its about this. I want the version of 18 jan 2010 10:29 with the Destroyer Scythe, but for some strange reason I cant :S. Thank you very much. Reaper of Scythes** User Reaper of Scythes Juggernaut1.png 10:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I reverted it for you, however it seems to be the same? -- My Talk Lacky 11:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
IT could be an issue with your cache not updating matey. The wiki has that issue from time to time. It can display the wrong image even if you've chosen the correct image on the image page. Refreshing the page tends to help and waiting for 24 hours. However as Lacky said the image history on that page has the above image displayed since the 18th Jan. There's an earlier image but that one was uploaded on the 1st November. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 11:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
F5 Ftw :), Thanks for your help. Reaper of Scythes** User Reaper of Scythes Juggernaut1.png 11:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


High five! -- My Talk Lacky 08:48, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

yay!!!! Sal is happy! -- Salome User salome sig2.png 20:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Cake for everyone! -- My Talk Lacky 23:53, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Anon

Why'd you have to block him? :( We were about to start a lively conversation and you didn't even give me a chance to find out who he is :( --TahiriVeila 20:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks are bad. -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 20:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
My apologies Tahiri, I will try to block after you've had your fun with the trolls from now on. ;) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 20:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much good sir!--TahiriVeila 20:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

You're gay?

That's cool. I never expected that. — Mini Me 21:30, 29 January 2010

LOL most people just assume I'm a woman on the boards/forums/wikis. People tend to be more surprised about me being male. Which is probably somewhat worrying. ;) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Well I always thought you were male, but really, I never expected you to be gay. So are you married or something? — Mini Me 21:36, 29 January 2010
They assume you're a woman? That's sexist and homophobic and...I'm kidding Salome. Cudos to you for being open with who you are. That is brave and strong.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 21:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
@Mini; Nope, been with my partner for a fair few years now though. However I'm only 28 and finally getting into my career stuff properly, so I've put considerations of marriage on the backburner at the mo. When my life calm's down, I'll considerate it then but although I agree with the concept of gay marriage and the legal grounds and reasoning for it, I'm still not sure I personally want to ever get married.
@ Yasmin; Thanks alot, although I owe alot to my Grandparents. They always had friends from every possible walk of life and background, thus I was brought up to believe that people should always stand up for who they are. In fact my God Father and his Husband are my godparents. It did however come as somewhat of a surprise to my family, training to be a catholic priest for awhile probably threw them slightly (although for the life of me, I don't know why, as it's almost a requirement of the job. [that was a joke told to me by a Catholic Cardinal, for anyone who may be offended by that comment]). I'm quite happily adjusted about it though, as are my family and the great majority of my friends. I think what helps me alot, is that I don't let me sexuality define me. Also 99% of my friends are straight, thus I don't end up ghetto'ising myself into a wee gay group, which is a bad trait I've seen in alot of my gay mates who only tend to have gay friends. I think that when a person does that, it puts them in a somewhat odd social environment, which is not reflective of society at large, and can be rather damaging, not to mention bigoted. (One of my oldest [now ex]friends did this to such a degree that she became Hetrophobic, which is just crazy). -- Salome User salome sig2.png 22:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
My father was in the seminary through high school and undergraduate too. User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 22:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
People are people, as far as I see it, and the only type of person you shouldn't date or marry is someone who hurts you or abuses you. My eldest sister happens to be attracted to African American men, my younger sister happens to like Asian American bothers me that when they bring boyfriends or potential boyfriends around, the color of their skin is the first thing our mother comments on (worse still, my eldest sister and brother are half Filipino, they're adopted, but my mother forgets that and sees them as white). I fail to see why small factors like color--or in your case gender--make a difference. Why does someone else have to like what I like? I mean, if you take your coffee without cream, that's your thing, I don't care because I'm not drinking it, you are. Put tobasco sauce in it for all I care.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 23:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
My wife is currently working with transgenders who are either currently incarcerated or have a mental disability. Try explaining that at a dinner party. People have some sort of natural trigger for things out of their comfort zone. Such as, when I tell people I'm an advocate of gay marriage rights in Texas and that I've been in marches/protests. I really don't think that's ever going to change. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 23:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) @Yasmin: That's fine and well as far as rhetoric goes, but prejudice is deeply ingrained into everyone's mindsets. I challenge you to state that you treat everyone equally 100% of the time regardless of appearance, race, religion, etc. I would trust a black person less readily than a white person who is equal in all other aspects. User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 23:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
@Felix, Everyone is indeed a little bit racist, as the song goes. If you put a Scottish person and an English person in the same room and asked me to pick one to be friends with, I would probably pick the Scot each time. However we can accept those negative traits about ourselves and work through them, I suppose it's an ongoing process.
@KJ, yeh I'm guessing that wouldn't make you too popular in Texas. I'm getting increasingly worried about the UK however; there seems to be more and more Daily Mail readers everyday, who tend to be xenophobic, sexist, homophobes. worrying times indeed. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 23:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
At least you admit to yourself Felix that you feel that way. I have such an oddball life and know too many interesting people to really have a comfort zone...especially in my line of work. I guess if I look deep down, I suppose I do have a prejudice its against people with no personal style (Winnie the Pooh shirts on people over the age of 12, spandex pants, anything worn by Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears because both of them are terrible dressers) or people who insist on wearing pajamas outside the house.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 00:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's wrong to dislike sloppiness of dress. I'd take a potential employee less seriously if they wore pajamas to the interview, even if they did end up being brilliant. I also reflexively assume anyone over 12 with <child's thing> is probably a pothead or something, since they like that sort of fashion...if I remember the "Marijuana Facts" presentation correctloy. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 01:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Hehe it's good to know there's a fellow gay around here :P (God I'm soooooo late for this discussion) --MageUser MageMontu sig.pngMontu 13:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
There's actually a fair few of us on the wiki and ingame. :) -- Salome User salome sig2.png 14:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


I added the sic tag since it has always been "Elonian" not "Elonan" - as such, Elonan is incorrect and thus would be needed, technically, as we are to document accuracy, not what we feel like putting up. -- Konig/talk 01:17, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the sic tag just for stuff that's in-game, not on the website? I mean, there's got to be some other things hat were copied from the website to the wiki that don't have the sic tag that would be in the same category... -- My Talk Lacky 02:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
There are sic tags for articles copied verbatim off of articles and the manual. Why not the site itself? -- Konig/talk 02:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I removed sic as it was referencing a made up proper noun, i put in the edit summary that i understood the use of Sic, as it's normally elonian and not elonan. However in this instance we are documenting a war chronicle verbatim, thus lore wise, in this instance that's how Murro, the author of the articles, wrote it and as such I personally don't see the need for the Sic reference in this instance. Feel free to disagree with me though, as it's mostly personal taste, I ust felt it looked abit ugly in the heading. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 13:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I can understand that it didn't look all that nice in the heading, but we have the sic tag for other misspelled "imaginary" proper nouns elsewhere, even in titles if I remember correctly, so I don't see why that should be an exception. -- Konig/talk 19:12, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
How about I just contact Emily and see if she can change the text on that article to Elonian? -- Salome User salome sig2.png 19:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. :D – Emmett 05:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Herring Slap.

Chess. Now. Finish it. →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 19:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

get down sier

"In short STFU oni." and dont pa poeple 21:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Read the policy? It might be a bit rude, but it's not a personal attack. WhyUser talk:Why 23:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
As Why said, it's not a personal attack. It's a suggested course of action and a tad rude indeed but to be blunt Oni was circumventing a perma ban to moan at shard about something that wasn't even vaguely related to GW or the wiki. Being told to shut up was in fact absolutely fair. Please 127 if you are going to wiki-lawyer, read the policies beforehand. Thanks. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 18:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
if you read it youll find no example of this please read your poliocy yourself 18:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Haven't we discussed about the mission "STFU" just recently. It just isn't a personal attack :P - J.P.User J.P. sigicon.pngTalk 18:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
notinh isnt just an attack and everything is just an attack we can only asume and salomes arrogance twards this oni doesnt show he was 'only' rude 18:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
shut up, thanks. -Auron 18:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)