Talk:Charr

External links

• Concept Art for Guild Wars 2 on Kotaku: Charr

Possible Copyright Violation?

I've noticed a massive change in the Charr article. After my original article with the subsections on war with each kingdom, Santax has copied over much (if not all) of the old wiki's article. Let me know what you think. File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 13:51, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

It's from the Prophecies manual. It has {{arenanet article2}} on it so it should be fine as far as copyright is concerned. --Santax 14:11, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Oh, silly me. :) File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 14:40, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Citations

There are several things I've put in this article some of you may not know of (namely fire being the physical manisfestation of the Charr's Gods, the first Charr invasion being in 1070AE, and maybe some other things). I acquired most of this information from the Guild Wars manual, page 34 (for the year 1070) and pages 58+59 for other information on them. -Eldin 14:22, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Um, Charr Marty? Never seen one of those... Perfidia 23:25, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Fixed, probably just a typo -Smurf 23:31, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Charr Picture?

Wouldnt it be better to have a picture of actual charr from prophecies rather than concept art for charr 100 years into the future?-Dread Pirate Fargus 13:58, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

I wouldn't say it matters considerably. I must admit the new concept art looks a lot nicer than the Prophecies art (which looks like comic book art). Though I'm not fond of zebra-striped Charr. File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 01:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Concept art is cool. Most people know what charr look like anyways, so I wouldn't worry about it.208.92.184.201 10:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)Zeke64

Source?

I see that the section on "Eye of the North" and the picture/caption near it were taken from the developer's diary, but could we at least site it or say where it comes from? That just seems appropriate to me - or else it just looks like it could be made up. Let me know if I'm wrong on this one. Kami No Kei 00:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's from the fansite kit. Both have identical or nearly identical text and images, but the fansite kit version is usable under our copyright policy, while the IGN version cannot. -- Gordon Ecker 01:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I just feel like we should at least tell people where it came from. Or is it implied because this is the official wiki? I'm not trying to sound offensive or sarcastic, just wondering. Kami No Kei 02:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Sense?

"Charr in Guild Wars Prophecies have no family and belong to the Charr army. Charr in Guild Wars Eye of the North will belong to the Charr family." - And what does this mean??? --Longasc 20:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The family and army are how npcs are organized. - HeWhoIsPale 20:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Still, what we have in the article is confusing and ambiguous. I suggest we elaborate on the note or just delete it, since it doesn't seem too relevant in its current form.--Stormrunner 20:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Doe's this mean that the EOTN vanguard title bonus does not trigger on ascalonian charr? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:24.188.56.124 .

I imagine it applies to Charr as a species rather as a family. --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't get any energy bonus from killing the Charr in Prophecies when I had Rebel Yell on me, so I don't think you get any benefits from the blessing. However, further review says differently; as long as you get experience. I tested this in Hard Mode, and Rebel Yell works against Charr.--JupiterStarWarrior 00:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

That note is incorrect. It was fixed years ago on the individual proph Charr pages but apparently it was missed here. Charr in both EotN and Prophecies are equally effected by Of Charrslaying mods, +armor vs Charr mods, Rebel Yell, and Ebon Vanguard skills with vs Charr conditions. I'll fix it now. -- Kirbman 02:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Btw the confusion probably came from someone seeing that they didn't get energy from the low level Charr in Ascalon while under the effects of Rebel Yell. -- Kirbman 02:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

User_talk:Andrew_McLeod/Species - it might be of interest to you; I'd suggest Ctrl+F searching for "charr". The of slaying mods also check affiliation. Charr in Prophecies do not have families (aka creature types). Same with (Proph) Titans. It wasn't "fixed" on the individual charr articles, but "made incorrect." Only the EN charr have families/creature types. Konig/talk 03:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

gg anet

In eye of the North, if a charr kills you, they rank you.

They have tigers. Calvin 05:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

(^_^) -- Gordon Ecker 05:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

"Rank spaming Charr corpses"? Backsword 09:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The tables have turned. Awesome! -- Dashface 12:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Genders

Is it me, or do charr lack this? So far, I have yet to see a charr female, or at least seen one and not known it. If so, then there really doesn't seem to much of a difference between males and females (voice and all, thats kinda creepy).

I'm hoping that come GW2, all races have both genders and be noticeably different. I'd imagen the a female charr to be slightly leaner, generally less muscle mass, smaller spikes and such, short or no mane, and a somewhat, but not quite fur bust/breasts/chest. (eg, a slightly more predominant chest, which would be covered up like all females) Maybe they could also have a fairly longer tail and ears, among other features to make them look unique. --Yoh Stonevale 02:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

You realize that if Charr really are like giant cats, then their females should have 6 breasts, right? You really want that? Kirenne Starfire [Kw] 19:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

If they're similar enough to giant cats, they'd be flat-chested most of the time, and would only have breasts while pregnant or nursing. The Charr in this screenshot only seems to have two nipples (although there could be more hidden under the fur). I suspect they'll either have two breasts or none, since six would make armour harder to design. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Based on The Ecology of the Charr, it seems likely that we haven't seen any female Charr yet. -- Gordon Ecker 04:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Meh, who cares about gender? Charr are soooo cuddly!!! *hugs a charr plush toy* ^__^ az :D 23:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"Because of Bathea’s disobedience to the new order, all females of her legion–and, in short order, all females among the Charr–were removed from warbands and armies, reduced to performing utility tasks at home in the cities of the legionnaires.", that's from the ecology of the Charr page from GW2W. Also, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kalla_Scorchrazor --88.112.91.132 18:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

If anything, I expect female charr in GW2 to look like Mithra in FFXI. 174.42.250.139 22:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, charr females are going to be on gw2 fighting like the males. It has been confirmed.IcyyyBlue 06:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)IcyyyBlue

The Charr might be a kick back to the Creators old jobs at Blizzard (aka The Zerg live on Charr)

i for one think this should be noted because the game creates did come from blizzard and most likely worked on star craft before they worked on gw 75.165.122.205 20:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

First of all, StarCraft was released in 1998... and as far as Wikipedia is concerned, none of the designers overlapped. Second of all, if I remember correctly, the Zerg home-planet was called Char, not Charr. And third of all, I think there's a more obvious reason for the name that has nothing to do with their a connection to StarCraft (i.e. the Charr obsession with fire and the meaning of the verb "to char." *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

oh man of one r, i would also like to point out the plaint char was a volcanic plaint which was constantly burning hence a small but significant connection . also i wasn't talking about the designers i was talking about the creates of ArenaNet. if you look that up you will see that they worked for blizzard around the time of starcraft.75.165.122.205

It's just not a reference. -AyaStowar

The fact that it was a volcanic planet is perfectly keeping with the notion that the two names are not connected specifically to each other, but rather, are connected by the meaning of word "char" which means to burn. *Defiant Elements* +talk 05:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

your leaveing out the fact that they did indeed work on starcraft.

No. I'm saying it's irrelevent either way. Occam's Razor (sp?). *Defiant Elements* +talk 15:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Occam's Razor is the common spelling. However, it's origin is name of one philosopher monk who wrote about it, William of Ockham, so Ockham's razor is gaining popularity. Backsword 16:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

how is that irrelevant??? you have no idea seeing as you dont work for anet.

Linguistically speaking, the shorter a word is, the more likely it is to resemble other words from the same or different languages, which means a higher chance of simple coincidence and a lower chance of actually being related to something else. Kokuou 19:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

This is like saying my character Nikki is a reference to Niki on Heroes. This is also like saying "Hey, GW's max level is 20 which is exactly -50 from WoW's, Coincidence? I THINK NOT!" See: Not a freaking Reference!- Vanguard 16:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

you could say the exact same thing for any of the other notes so gg. and the fact of the matter is unless anet comes out and says no that wasn't a link at all this is a he said she said.75.165.122.205 07:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Not really. This is Wiki, so content reflects consensus, and, at the moment, this is 4 people conculding that the reference should not be added versus 1 who believes it should, so it's not strictly a he-said-she-said. *Defiant Elements* +talk 15:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

i would venrue to say that 90% of the people who go on the wiki don't eather know how, or don't edit or add stuff to the pages. and thus this is a unfair assessment of the situation because 4 people hardly make up the entire wiki. and yet again you can go to any skill page and say omg guys this is a refence to so and so movie. and like i said before only ANET knows the truth.75.165.122.205 19:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, 4 people do not make up the entire wiki. But the fact that the other thousands of users haven't commented doesn't mean they side with you, or against you, thus, it's a moot point and we have to go based on the people who have commented. Consider elections, if 40% of Americans were to vote in an election, we wouldn't say, well, this doesn't represent America. It may not, but the person with the most votes is still the winner. Also, if you really want to know the answer, go ask Emily. *Defiant Elements* +talk 22:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

thats the stupidest logic i have ever heard. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.165.122.205 (talk).

According to Blizzcast both Chris Metzen and James Phinney worked out the campaign storyline for the original Starcraft, so there is potential for reference/homage although admittedly weak. | Sounds Risky | 03:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with general consensus here. While there MIGHT be a connection, that connection is weak. I think it more linguistic - after all, if I were designing GW, and I was like, "What should be the name of the of the race that burns down the tutorial homeland?" I'd think of something associated with burning myself. I think Charr is more a light on the burninating quality of the race than it is the time spent at Blizzard. Just as the homeland in StarCraft was called Char because of the fact that it was all molten and burning-like. Same deal, you know? In any case, I don't think the case is strong enough to warrant putting it in a trivia section. MiraLantis 03:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Emily diehl confirmed that they have nothing to do with starcraft.75.165.117.200 06:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Beauty and the Beast

Did you notice that the strong similarity between charr and "The Beast"? Take a look at this picture for example. —ZerphaThe Improver

I've always thought the Charr looked like werewolves; The Beast falls into the werewolf category. [1]--SlitherSly 23:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

charr are CAT LIKE monsters --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Lord randy (talk).

Pre searing

although the charr from the northlands are on the list, the charr in various other quests are not. Is there any reason they are not there? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Yankeefan984 (talk).

Yes, quest-specific NPCs are generally omitted to prevent clutter. -- Gordon Ecker 23:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

To clarify, they are generally omitted from the zone article and listed in the quest article, except for bosses, who are generally listed in both. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Mursaat effigies

IMO it's either a Mursaat or a Spark of the Titans. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, never seen that one before.. Go ahead and rev my edit then :D — Why 12:12, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Nolani Acadamy houses a burning titan, at the front door --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:87.195.93.149 (talk).

Trivia - Gender

How do we know all Charr we have encountered are male? As far as i see it they could pretty much be the furry version of dwarves (which we don't know if we have meet female versions either, as quoted in-game XD).--Fighterdoken 08:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

According to The Ecology of the Charr, female Charr were forbidden from joining the Charr's warbands and armies soon after the rise of the Shaman caste, and did not rejoin them until Kalla Scorchrazor's surprise attack four decades after Pyre Fireceshot's rebellion. The article also states that, during the reign of the Shamans, Charr women had to stay in the Charr's cities. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Plural

Does it bother anyone else when they see people write 'Charrs' to refer to multiple Charr, when the game script seems to suggest 'Charr' is the plural form (like with sheep). --59.167.76.198

Susceptibility to cold dmg

Hey, someone tell me if this is correct or not... I know GW isn't a whole rock-paper-scissors thing on the elememtal types of damage, but does it make sense that, since the Charr use fire magic that they would recieve extra damage from cold damage?208.92.184.201 10:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)Zeke64

It doesn't work that way, especially since there are Charr who use water magic. It depends on the armor which they are given - Not sure on the idea of inscriptions, but the default bonus (like the + armor vs elemental damage on Rangers) do carry onto monsters as well. -- Konig/talk 03:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

You could bring it up at Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for research. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The Charr and the Drownn. This is an important post. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

No Charr has been found to have a weakness or strength to any type of damage as of yet: Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/Armor_rating#Charr Manifold 06:18, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Charr Cub

5:35 Cute! :) You can also see "teenager" charr cub. 'Overlord Frosty'

That is SO adorable Yay Killing Charr talk 15:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

This is Guild Wars 2 content, not guild wars ;) --The Holy Dragons 04:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Anyone else notice that the article says "Feline" like but they clearly look just like very ugly dog mutants?

They look cat-like to me, for instance the necromancers and mesmer look a bit like panthers and the ele/monks look like lions (mane and all). Also, its stated multiple times both in lore and by ANet that they are indeed felines. Konig/talk 14:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

A cool one

Here. Yseron - 90.14.97.86 18:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

About AI

Not sure if it's just me, but it seems like the Charr in EotN have grown brains since the last time I fought them? :O They go into a half-circle-ish formation around their healer, and move as I do in order to body block me, preventing me from attacking their healer (I'm a warrior). It's actually quite fun, since I can just run around their party in a big circle and wait for my heroes to finish them off while they run around in a smaller circle attempting to body block me :D Is this anything new or has it been around for longer, just that I haven't noticed it? Jeree95 12:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

They always did this, issue is that the rudimentary AI functions tend to take over after the charr formation AI coding - that is, they always made formations like what you said when aggroed, but shortly thereafter they break said formation. Would be interesting if the Live Team stealthy improved it so that the basic AI functions don't override their AI. Konig/talk 19:50, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay... I think this whole formation thing is a nice piece of trivia though, maybe add it to the article? Jeree95 15:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)