Talk:Fire and Pain

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Bugged Pyre[edit]

I'm not sure if it's related to this quest or not, but here goes. When I did this quest, I brought Pyre with me (because I like Broad Head Arrow for mean caster bosses). He was very, very bugged -- for one thing, he kept repeating the same line over and over again (screenshot) and for another, when he was the last one standing and died, he came back to life, died again to the Charr beating on him, came back to life, died again, etc. etc. This went on for at least a dozen deaths until he died for real and my party could rez at the shrine. This, of course, left him with 60% DP, which made the already difficult quest even harder. Anyone else experienced anything like it? dom · (talk) 18:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I had The Smell of Titan in the Morning active, and the line was from that I think. He kept respawning to say his line, but it repeated over and over. --Santax (talk · contribs) 06:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Hm, I had that one active too. I've completed it now, so I'll retry Fire and Pain and see if that fixes it. Thanks :). 05:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Whoops, that was me above. dom · (talk) 05:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sister Quests[edit]

If we accidentally take this quest, can we abandon it and take "Then and Now, here and there"?

You can do both. --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 11:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


well ive been at the quest for 5 hours now. all my characters are at 60dp. all thats left is the one boss. i cant ever get to him because ot the SP spikers with a stat of 40+ in fire magic (143 dmg from 1 glowing gaze = 40-ish stat in fire magic. i did the math) so, i want to know, anet, did you use eye of the north to piss off players? every 5 minuites im getting completely ownt by monsters. the charr /rank spike when they kill a player. the mobs use every build that anet has nerfed recently, except buffed up to pre nerf levels with monster skills or rediculously high stats (examples being the SF ele spike teams during thsi quest, and the touch ranger dinosaurs doring the finding gadd quest) like, W.T.F. -TehBuG-

I didn't have a problem personally, much easier than some vanquishes I have done. I also find it hilarious how the monsters use player created meta builds against us. --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 16:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Here's an Idea... Adapt. Use skills such as shelter and prot spirit combined with extinguish and the great dwarf's blessing. Also try raising your rank in Agent. This is not that hard if you decide to combat the builds out there rather than running the same set up every time. Basically what I am saying is the samething that is always said to the pvp crowd when skills are Balanced (not talking the serious nerfs that hurt both sides).Sorsscriba 22:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I blew a Powerstone of Courage, so I was at +10%, and yet I got messed in under 30 seconds. At that point, I had to walk away from the computer for a bit, because I was so POed. The quest didn't say Master on it, or I would have been calmer about it. But yeah... Anyone got any recommended builds for Gwen, besides Mantra of Flame? :-p--BarGamer 22:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, this is flagged as a Master level quest. I just checked this on Live to be absolutely certain there wasn't a mistake. It's the other Gwen quest (Then and Now, Here and There) that isn't Master level. John Stumme 18:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
TehBuG, Bosses deal double damage, so fire attr of that boss is a lot lower (check burning duration for example). Well ANet put nerfed builds? You get down to 60% really fast? Try to spike 1 target per time; always remember to bring some protective spirit; if you stand by the boss alone, try using as much as you can BHA, maybe giving your hero 16marks and a bow with +33% dazed on. Finally, if you're writing on this wiki, then you can simply check missions' difficulties and boss skills here on wiki and then create your own team build. That's basically what Sorsscriba said. Just don't yell at the pc or write e-mails like "I can't do it, it's too hard" to ANet. I think they'd just laugh at you. And they'd be right (I don't mean to offend anyone) Tharos 15:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The easy way to beat gwen:

  1. Your character
  2. Minion Master hero
  3. SF elly hero
  4. Earth warder hero
  5. Cynn
  6. Zho
  7. Mhenlo
  8. Lina

That is suffice for 95% of gwen (you only need to adapt for the solo quests and some of the harder dungeons) and incidentally what I also used for this quest. Maybe I had Herta instead of Zho, doesn't really matter. --Xeeron 15:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How'd you manage that when Gwen is required for it? ^_- Colonel Hawk 03:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Just bring Ward against harm and Mantra of flame for your heroes, GG Searing flames.Justgetmein 13:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree. Complete 'Pain and Fire' to do this quest. I had 60 DP all the way through it, but luckily had a spirit spammer with me. Tong2 14:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Very frustrating quest. Brought prot monk, 2 henchie monks, ranger with BHA & winter, interrupter Gwen, wiped several times, mostly because of the burning spirits/Blisterbark patrol which always seems to come when you're nearly done wiping each charr group. Helps to kill off as many flowstone elementals, magmas first, then aggroing each the big charr groups and running to edge of the forest to avoid Blisterbark.--SunJinyu 14:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I just beat the quest after like 1.5 years, I'd say it was pure luck. I had Gwen as a Dom. Mesmer, Xandra as SoS with Splinter Weapon and some heals, and Dunk as a WoH quick healer. Cynn, Zho, Mhenlo, and Eve as the henchies. It's tough with 60dp on everyone, but hey, somehow those SoS spirits were able to take out the effigy while all the party was dead and waiting to respawn. So I guess I would say go with a good SoS build, can be a difference of night and day for effectiveness. --Lustre Of Havoc 03:18, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

In NM, I took a Sabway team with the three Necro Heores, the two Ritualist heros as spirt spammers with Signet of Spirits and Signet of Ghostly Might, Gwen with a Panic domination build, and Hayda with "They're on Fire!" and other support/condition removal. I was a W/R with EVSS, Pain Inverter, Hundred Blades, and Whirlwind Attack as my main skills; "For Great Justice!" and Lion's Comfort for adreniline management as well as Final Thrust and Comfort Animal (20th Level Pet). The real problem is overaggroing, so you need to work slowly and patiently around the edges of the burnig forest, killing all of the Flowstone Elementals and Magma Blisters and in singles and pairs if you can manage it. Pay close attention to the roving Burning Spirits so that they don't join a battle against other foes. Fight those groups separately. Careful pulling is needed to ensure that you don't aggro more than one group at a time. After defeating a group or single opponent, consider retreating and waiting for skills and health/energy to recharge before going on. Once you have cleared all other enemies and roving groups in the Burning Forest except the charr, it is safe to engage them. Pull and fight the Charr groups one at a time, leaving Flamebourne for last. When you've healed and have a full energy bar, hit Straut Flamebourne with EVSS and Pain Inverter if needed. Hit the Charr Effigy with Pain Inverter as soon as it recharges. Good Hunting. Cyryl Chevalier 05:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

We totally need to fight Flowerstone Elementals at some point. Perhaps as a birthday quest. Anet, are you listening? -- Hong 05:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Walkthrough will be written[edit]

I'm going to write a good walkthrough for this quest tonight, hang tight. I'll also record the reward dialogue

Great! but, who are you?User Ereanor sig.jpgreanor 22:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
He wrote that two months ago... Backsword 22:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I have it active and was thinking about doing it. Are you on it Backsword? I noticed you've been bussy with this article lately.User Ereanor sig.jpgreanor 22:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Not doing a walkthrough. I don't do that sort of stuff, in general. Doing the dialogue. Backsword 22:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I'll see what I can do.User Ereanor sig.jpgreanor 22:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Flowstone Elementals: Level 24, do they have deep freeze?
Magma Blisters: Level 24, Life Siphon only skill I noticed
Burning Spirits: Level 24,
Borguss Blisterbark(sp?), a burning spirit boss Level 26.
Straut Flamebourne, Level 28? or 26?
Charr Effity, Level 28
Some dialogue, to help whoever is putting this together:
I didn’t get the initial acceptance/ rejection from Gwen stuff.
(Out in Sacnoth Valley when you get to the 3(?) Flame Keepers (Level 20))
Flame Keeper: Do you believe what the Shamans say is true?
Flame Keeper: I know that Pyre has cast a shadow upon them. They claim that the herald of our victory will ignite the sky with a fire as fierce as our souls. It won’t be long now.
Gwen: If what those beasts said was true…we must hurry!
(When you get close enough to agro the Charr ritual makers in the middle of the burnt forest)
Straut Flamebourne (level 28?): For those that doubt the power we hold, burn this image into your heart as our fires raze those that would stand against us.
Straut Flamebourne: There are only two types of creatures in this world: the Charr, and their prey. Let us show those humans where they stand!
Gwen: The only thing you will show us is the fear in your eyes as I strike you down. I will not allow such destruction to be brought upon my home, my people…not again!
Straut Flamebourne: Foolish little mice…such a pity that you must die before knowing the despair of seeing your people destroyed.
Gwen: Despair? Let me teach you about despair…
(After killing the 3 Charr groups)
Gwen: If those Shaman were attempting to make a show of their power, then all that they have proven is how powerless they are.
(After Straut and the Charr Effigy (level 28) are dead)
Gwen[sic]: How I long for the day when I no longer stand in the shadow of these beasts.
Gwen[sic*]: I also fight for that day. Every step in this world is one that takes us closer to the future. I hope we can see it together, friend.
(*maybe your character is supposed to say one of these lines.)
Gwen: We should report this to Captain Langmar. She will want to know the threat has passed.
(Reward dialogue)
Captain Langmar says a whole page of stuff, to the effect "Wow, they were attempting another Searing like in Ascalon? I believe you, thanks a lot, here you go." ps I haven't beaten EOTN. --Ms. Mer 04:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Gwen's Childhood Object[edit]

I've just looked at this, and before now have been wondering if the item from her childhood must be obtained by the same character that shows it her? As I've had the tapestry shred in my inventory on my assassin, and nout happens. This was a while back though, maybe it was an old bug? or such? 01:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

First the character who wants to do this quest must have beaten Eye of the North. Then they show the item, it doesn't have to be the same who collected it, as I farmed the Red Iris Flowers in Post-Searing with my Necro then had my Ranger give them to her for the quest.
tlarseth 03:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
omg nowhere in the guide does it say u need to beat the game first... preceding means "before" to whoever wrote this.. ty for telling me this.
Yeah, I just checked recently. Got the quest, going to do it soon. Rose Focus ftw! :) 20:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Just so people know, you don't actually have to beat Eye of the North first, just the Ebon Vanguard branch. I got the quest and I still haven't collected the reward for the Norn branch or even started the Asuran branch. 09:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The tapestry shred is required for the other quest from Gwen which is only available to Prophecies born characters. For this quest, you don't even have to have an item specifically from presearing, a red iris flower picked up in EotN works just as well, as does the preserved red iris flower found in Nightfall. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 09:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Flute Not Valid Object?[edit]

I had a problem with Gwen giving me the quest with only her broken flute in my inventory. I went to Gwen's garden with Gwen and picked some flowers there. While we were there Gwen chatted up a storm. After she was done talking I went back to the Hall of Monuments and she offered the quest and took 1 flower. I don't believe that Gwen's broken flute is a valid object to recieve the quest, either that or you have to bring Gwen to her garden before she offers it.

I also have Gwen's Broken Flute (have been carrying it around for a while) and she is not giving me this quest. Could be a conflict due to other quests in the log or could be that I bugged it by also having the Tapestry Shred in my inventory (even after removing the shred, she still won't give me the quest) or it just might not be valid. 12:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I used it and it was fine? 16:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Gwen's Broken Flute doesn't trigger it for me either. Red Iris Flower does. Tried retried and tried again. I'm sticking a bug note on this. --Manassas User Manassas Mannysig.png 13:51, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Keep in mind there are two broken flutes items: Broken Flute and Gwen's Broken Flute. The article might have confused them or they might never have worked. So, rather than a bug, it might be more appropriate to remove the item from the list of valid triggers.
Another possibility is that prophecies toons get one set of triggers while foreign characters get another.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I have Gwen's Broken Flute (not Broken Flute) and my char is a prophecies toon. It definately doesn't work for me and it didn't work for the two first posters either. So we either put the bug note back in, or we remove the item from the list. --Manassas User Manassas Mannysig.png 23:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll try to test the other items shortly; I have a couple of proph toons and non-proph ones that should otherwise be able to get both the Gwen focus item quests. For now, I've updated the GBF to say it doesn't work for proph toons. (The other posters didn't specify where they were born.) Does that work for now?  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 03:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't work for a Nightfall toon either. --Manassas User Manassas Mannysig.png 07:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for testing that one (and for removing the bullet). If someone finds that Gwen's Broken Flute does work in some situations, we can edit accordingly.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:23, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

charr effigy won't spawn[edit]

charr effigy won't spawn when you lure straut flamebourne away from his spot and if you haven't been in the aggro of strauts spawn position. I lured him with Sniper Support and killed him when he was away from his spawn position.

I thought I had that problem too. I walked a couple laps around the Flaming Pillar of a Quest Marker. Boss was long dead, Effigy still spawned anyway. Crysania Anchorwind 05:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
The Effigy wont spawn for me >_<, I did the titan quest at the same time, would that affect it? >.> 16:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Ah you just have to go to the quest marker, I think that should be listed on the page... 16:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't get the reference[edit]

Why is this page in the References to Films & TV category? Something like that should be explained in the Trivia section. - Alexis Toran (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)