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10,000 articles, incoming!

Special:Statistics Thought you might be interested as you were when we hit 5000 :) Go us! --Lemming64 08:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I wish we could make it exclude articles in the stub categories. We have at least 2,000 articles in there and it's only excluding 76 (currently) pages. -Smurf 10:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

The articles count is supposed to ignore stubs. Is there reason to believe it's not? —Tanaric 10:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki includes any article that contains an internal link (ie:the ones not in Special:Deadendpages). At least that's what m:Help:Article count says. -Smurf 10:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

9998! - BeX 19:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

9999!!! :D poke | talk 19:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

But who is going to take it!? *dies from suspense* - BeX 19:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

10000! Tengu War by User:Alien - congratulations! --Lemming64 19:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

congrats and ty for ending the suspense.--Bane of Worlds 19:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

hehe np's! for some reason my computer still says 9,999 articles on the main page ^^ maybe its just being slow --Alien 19:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

5000 more to go :-) --Gummy Joe 23:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Awesome job guys! and gratzz to Alien =) -- (Tribina / talk) 20:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Wooot! *warms up news posting fingers* --Gaile 23:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

<- clicking F5, F5, F5, F5 on gw.com xD poke | talk 23:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Voila! *dusts hands* --Gaile 23:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Clicking? you mean pressing F5 ~ Kurd 23:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I could say that I'm using an on screen keyboard, but yeah.. I was pressing :P -- Great, Gaile :) poke | talk 23:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Great. Now I have the Flintstones children's vitamin jingle stuck in my head. "10 million strong... and growing..." =P Great work, though! - Thulsey - talk 03:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You did not need to share that musical reference with us! Aaaiiiyeeee! ;) --Gaile 03:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Since when did my name become a distressed outburst?! :P (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I checked the letter use, even thought, "Is that Aiiane's Name? No, good to go" and pressed "Save Page." You're one of the least likely of my outcries of outrage, since you so often deal with the outrageous on me/our behalf. :) --Gaile 04:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

If she were to make your name an outcry it would be Aaaiiiyeeeennne! :0 We now need to get too 15,000 articles which Eye of the North should help on. -- Natalie Black 13:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Well GuildWiki has had over 15,000 articles for a while, so with the release of GW:EN on the way + subjects we havent made articles on yet we should be at 15k in no time! :D --Alien 18:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Haven't seen much lore around GWW so that would a good place to start to increase the article count :P--Bane of Worlds 19:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Category:Lore there is quite a bit of Lore really. There are a lot of NPC articles still missing is one that springs to my mind. --Lemming 20:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe our friend Alien is working on those, right? Or maybe that's another NPC-ish project, I'm not sure. --Gaile 17:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thats right! I forgot theres still a few town article's that need their NPC sections cleaned up. ill get onto that soon :) --Alien 18:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear! I hope that didn't read like "giving an assignment!" I thought that was what you were working on; I don't know that you need to add more to you to-do list. :) --Gaile 18:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

No no not at all, :) it was already on my to-do list, it's just good you said said that because you reminded me that it needed finishing. =] --Alien 15:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Lore articles are pretty much my favorite evAR -elviondale (tahlk) 16:32, 5 August 200

Izzy's Skill Sections

Currently the Overpowered section is 281 kbs long and the Underpowered is 376 kbs long. Can you in anyway tell Izzy to pop on over to his page and give a verdict on the ongoing discussion? Done25

Could you people stop requesting things from Anet staff, browsing the wiki is what they do in their free time. They don't have to do it, so you shouldn't be demanding things. ~ Kurd 21:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

In addition, skill balance isn't something you "give a verdict on", it's an ongoing process. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I think he meant the archiving issue, not the skill balance issue. - anja 22:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Dutifully reported, and Aiiane has kindly offered to help with a bit of archiving. Izzy is grateful, and so are the rest of us reading those pages. ;) --Gaile 23:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Aiiane completed her work later on the 3rd and I think you'll see an appreciable improvement in "user friendliness" for those big pages. Thanks, A! --Gaile 00:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the most recent vandalism

Gaile, feel free to move this, but as this topic will center around your user page, I feel this would be the best place to put it.

After reading the recent vandalism on your page, I noticed Indecision suggest a temp protect for your page. With your experience being a moderator and the like in the past and being a recognized figure on this wiki, you know this type of behavior will always be an issue. I wish I didn't see anything wrong with a protect of your page, as I know you should have sysop rights and no one, but other sysops, ANet employees, and yourself could then edit your user page, but that would also be considered favoritism because it would not be mentioned if it was another user having the same issues.

Just my two cents, I believe that the reversion of the vandalism and blocking of said vandals is the best recourse. We have many dedicated users to ensure the wiki project runs smoothly and a lot are also dedicated wiki gnomes that I'm sure stare at the recent changes and click refresh every minute or maybe it was just me that used to do that. ;) Because of this, I don't think vandalism on your pages or any pages on the wiki would stay there for very long. — Gares 13:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The way I see it Gaile probably has the highest profile of any user here on the wiki and therefore of all user pages I believe her's is the first target for most vandalism against user pages. I could argue quite easily that it is not favouritism to anyone that complains, but protection of someone with basically celebrity status in the guild wars world. If another user is having the same issues we can look at it on a case by case basis, but ultimately most other uses are going to be targeted, if at all, by one person they probably pissed off as opposed to repeated attacks by different people. --Lemming 13:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

On a side note, did you know the word Gaile is protected in game from being used as a petname? :P - BeX 14:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol. Why doesn't it surprise me that you know that? ;) — Gares 14:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I have shady friends. :P - BeX 14:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add that this is probably one of the most watched pages by regular wiki users and wiki gnomes...i end up checking this page at least twice a day, and i am sure that other users also check it at least that often. Protecting this page would work, but as it is a wiki, and Gares pointed out that it could be considered favoritism, i would like to point out that any changes will probably be reverted within five minutes of any vandalism that occurs. anyway, my two cents. Killer Revan 15:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes but you could say that about any vandalism vs protection that it can easily be reverted. --Lemming 16:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Having seen the vandalism on her non-user page, i am going to change my mind and say protect both this and her non-user page. Killer Revan 18:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I hate to say this, but if we can't handle vandalism and turn this into a non-wiki, then let's protect every ANet employee's non-user page and their user page. Since they are users and volunteer here, we should give every other user registered here the option to want to protect their user pages as well. Seems only fair to the other users that dedicate their time to this project.

I have seen far worse and we have handled it just fine in the past with far less admins, but just as many or more dedicated users. Vandals like to see what they can get away with. That is why it is simple to revert vandalism and that is why admins are able to block said vandals. The easy way out is not always the best or right way to do something. — Gares 19:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a note, it's possible to protect a page from unregistered users only, not just everyone but sysops. (At least, it is on PvXwiki, and I believe GuildWiki as well, and I believe GWW uses the same MetaWiki version thing.) Armond 22:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki:Copyrighted content/Draft 070809

Would you be able to comment on this? -- Indochine talk 16:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm awfully sorry, but I've looked at that page a few times and I really can't see what I should comment upon. The copyright for the Guild Wars Wiki is already presented here, and so I wonder what the specific matters on the draft are ones to which should I turn my attention. Thanks for the clarification. --Gaile 00:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The particular change is to that of allowing screenshots of Microsoft Windows for things like the Command line page which under the current licence are not permitted. --Lemming 00:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

We cannot include things that the current license do not allow, right? I mean, that is the reason there are so many different types of licenses. And I don't think we can choose a license and then selectively accept or reject the various facets of the license in question. Now, I sure may be missing something, but if the license precludes the inclusion of such images, and if we are certain that this wiki is being constructed, hosted, and maintained under the proper license, then we cannot allow those images, right? (Sorry if I'm missing something.) --Gaile 00:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Moved Conversations (below this)

Hi Gaile! I would put the moved conversations to another place because whenever someone adds a new topic by clicking "+" (in the navigation), the new topic will be added below all content. So why not archive the moved conversations? poke | talk 20:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, can do. I didn't realize that there was a "speed key" for adding a new topic. Thanks for the information. Because these are still sort of current topics, rather than move them to archives, I'll do a history check and place them back where they were. So much for my manic desire to tidy my page, eh? ;) --Gaile 20:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed the Moved Conversations portion of the page and reset all the links back into the midst of the text. The Moved Conversations idea works fine in archives, but I can see it's not a good plan here so I'm back to the normal formatting. Thanks for the feedback, Poke. --Gaile 21:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have time for a small project?

Wanting a better way to house bug reports about art and text issues, so that I can ask the team leads to visit a page solely dedicated to that particular areas of concern, I boldly created two new GWW pages. Now, they're probably in the wrong area, or maybe I named them incorrectly, but I'm sure someone can fix that. Try Art issues and Text issues for a look-see. While you're at it, though, is there a way to make them more... I don't know... impressive? I just have a boring string of "This is where you can post text (or art) issues" but surely it could be spiffier. Any ideas? Thanks for any input. --Gaile 05:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

So, let's see... Art Issues is for stuff like "my character's got a hollow head!" while Text Issues is for stuff like "why does this skill do +1000 damage when it says it instantly kills in the text box!"? Perhaps some "examples" would be good for the article pages, for one; secondly, do we have any "official" images we can put on those pages? Make them look, well, more official? Great article ideas, by the way; maybe at some point we can spread a few of them out for other issues as well, and stick them all in one category to make them easy to find. -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.>.cнаt^ 06:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Great idea, making more such pages and providing them under a separate category! Text is more "There's a typo" then "This skill description isn't translated well" but either works, yes. What sort of official images shall we add? I'm thinking... Maybe a logo that says "Hey, ArenaNet!" :D --Gaile 06:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds nifty... I wonder if I can possibly edit an ArenaNet logo to feature a small bug on the corner. No, wait, that's silly. I've got a better idea! (runs off to find the original Bug image and a decent image of a flyswatter) -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.>.cнаt^ 06:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Meh, harder then I thought, getting an image of a flyswatter that isn't covered in copyrights. Probably easier not to go overboard on this as well... :P

Let's see now... notes for people planning to add bugs would be a good idea. Suggesting to add a {{Bug}} template where possible is a good idea as well, for straight-up bugs and issues like that. Maybe if someone has a brainstorm and lays down some basic formatting, I can take a look through and pretty it up with words. :D -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.>.cнаt^ 07:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I got an official looking picture for the Art page:

• 1 Art Issue Picture 1
• 2 Art Issue Picture 2

Nice idea as now everybody can post there and not here. I agree that the pages need more color or something to them but I don't know what would look good. I made my pics for fun and I don't actually think they should go there. -- Natalie Black 15:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The "it's snowing in Kamadan" image is really cute : D I think it's important to have a few "official" examples, or a better description saying what kind of thing is supposed to be stated on those pages and what isn't, just for the sake of clarity. We likely could just change the Bug template so it has an "Art Bug" template to be used at the articles related to the art bugs (for example, here) and a "Text Bug" template, but if people think a subpage is better, so be it. Erasculio 15:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I've sent you an email about this. Let me know if it doesn't arrive. :) - BeX 16:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Hehe I made a nice picture to place in the headings =) check it out^^ grtz -- (Tribina / talk) 16:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

These should probably be in the project subsection Guild Wars Wiki:Projects instead of the main namespace. --Lemming 16:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

That was my first reaction, but projects are for changing the wiki, and mainspace for documenting the game, so they're actually in the right name space. They should probably be sub pages to bug or some such though. Backsword 16:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Bex and I talked about this, and I sure do understand that "bug reports" are not exactly main page wiki lead-off materials. I'm going to resettle the bug report pages into my personal space. But tell me, when do I have to start paying to sublease all this server space I'm talking? :) --Gaile 19:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was going to make the move, but I got a little nervous that I'd break something. I think that, like Suggestions and Guild Wars 2 Suggestions, these would be best sited off of my personal/talk pages, rather than as a main page. So, could I get a volunteer? ;) --Gaile 19:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

'tis simple enough to scoot the pages into your userspace, I'll do that myself if someone hasn't already beaten me too it. -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.>.cнаt^ 20:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI now; Art issues has been moved to User:Gaile Gray/Guild Wars Art issues, and Text issues has been moved to User:Gaile Gray/Guild Wars Text issues. I added the "Guild Wars" part into the titles, so the pages would match your current "Guild Wars Suggestions" page and whatnot, and also stress the fact that it's for in-game issues, not spelling mistakes on the wiki. :D -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.>.cнаt^ 20:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Where do you add, for example, the Jotun bug? ----InfestedHydralisk 20:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess the first thing to do would be a simple Bug tag on the Jotun page, perhaps? Otherwise, maybe Gaile would want to create a few more sections for the "issue" pages, like "A.I. issues", and so on. -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.>.cнаt^ 20:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

O come one, this is a joke right?, it was bad enough that the Suggestion pages have been hidden is the middle of nowhere, now these pages are lost too. What problem is there to put them in the main namespace? ~ Kurd 21:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm told that pages like this are not in keeping with the real purpose of a wiki, and that they need to be linked off my personal page instead of the main page because they are not "informational" as much as other content. I can see that point, and I'm more than willing to host them here. I will be making -- or asking for help in making -- a new nav bar for the right (above my archive listing) that hot links into the Suggestions, GW 2 Suggestions, and Bug pages. Please give me some time to do that, though, since it's just 1 day before release and we're really swamped here! --Gaile 21:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

(reset)(offtopic also) "1 day before release and we're really swamped here!" REeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaalllllllyy? Never would've guessed!! (Sorry, couldn't resist). :D Lojiin 23:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

It was strange. I mean, it's not like this week was busy or anything. No major doin's... I guess I just don't know where the time went! ;)

By the way, love the images, guys! I confess to some lol'ing there. --Gaile 07:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to say thanks for tackling this - the shields thing has been bugging me for at least a year (no gothic defender for you!) :D --Tankity Tank 10:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Is More Assistance Available?

I think I need to expand the Issues category to include quests and AI issues. I've made the pages and popped the (i) pages, but I wonder if someone could be able to template-ize those pages? If so, thanks much! --Gaile 22:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

All 4 done ~ Kurd 23:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

If I encounter something that belongs to a quest, I usually mention it on Linsey's talk page. (Low-hanging fruit section) --  (CoRrRan / talk) 23:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

How about re-enabling the game BUG command? Krothal

Thank you muchly, Kurd! Korthal -- What we found with the /bug system was a lot of reports came in without any sort of focus, and it was impossible to sort out the wheat from the chaff. It worked nicely for the beta, but was not practical for the game, with literally hundreds of thousands of players in any given day. I don't see us re-enabling that command, but I can ask about it. --Gaile 20:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Changes

Just wondering, what you guys were fixing today =). Readem Promote My Ban Here 21:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, just a few crash bugs. Nothing really needful of a formal update note. We're just smooshing those minor but irritating bugs. :) --Gaile 22:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Smooshing bugs should totally be today's update. ;) --Ravious 22:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

lol, i would love to see the official update say that. ‽-(eronth) I give up 23:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

And in relation to the smooshing of bugs, do you also give an update if bugs on User_talk:Gaile_Gray/Guild_Wars_Text_issues are fixed? --  (CoRrRan / talk) 23:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that's an excellent idea. Let me think: The process is, I send the reports to the writing team. They verify them, make the change, and get it into the queue for the next live build. Maybe it would be best for me to place a little check mark when I send on the text issue to the writing team, rather than asking the writers to send me responses to each issue and me checking it then. Sound ok? --Gaile 06:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

That would be excellent Gaile. Thanks. --  (CoRrRan / talk) 21:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

E-mail list

Per Guild_Wars_Wiki_talk:Adminship#Sysop_resignation, can you have me removed from the wiki's emergency contact admin email list? Due to my limited availability due to wedding planning (not to mention the upcoming harvest wine tastings in Yakima and Oktoberfest in Leavenworth) , I've decided to resign my admin status, at least for now, so I should be removed from the distribtuion list. Thanks! --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course, Barek, and thank you for your service! Hope that you will remain as involved as you are able; we value your contributions here! --Gaile 22:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Polish Wiki

Hi Gaile - i heard from PAX Show the somebody asked you about Polish GuildWiki - already there's English/French/German/Spanish and Italian guild wiki - my question: When polish guildwiki(and russian maybe) would appear? --Grethort 05:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Err... just a clarification here. This wiki is the official wiki. The GuildWiki is a specialty fansite. The other wikis are based off of GuildWiki and like GuildWiki, are not affiliated with ArenaNet. -- ab.er.rant 05:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

That is not entirely correct. ;) While it is true that there are Guildwiki-branches in different languages, Anet plans the same for the official wiki. I do not know though how far those plans are. --84-175 (talk) 06:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't implying that ArenaNet has no plans for official wikis in other languages; I knew about that. I was just under the impression that Gret thought that the "GuildWiki-branches" and GuildWiki are also being maintained by ArenaNet. -- ab.er.rant 08:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe that it will still be a little while before we start our own official wikis in other languages, and I do not know which languages will be offered or in what order. However, I will be happy to ask about that and will let you know when I have more information. --Gaile 19:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I was out all day. You can use {{yes}} and {{no}}, if you read the page for "no" you'll see it has some extra parameters. {{yes}} makes and {{no}} makes . :) - BeX 05:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Bex, very helpful! --Gaile 06:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

A Suggestion for completed/resolved bugs

I've just looked through the bugs pages and at first I was confused about which entry the checkmarks corresponded to. I kept thinking that the checkmarks above each header meant that the section following the checkmark was completed (it really means that the section containing the checkmark is completed). It might be more clear if you put the into the header for each section and a note at the bottom stating that the issue is resolved. I don't know if it confused anyone else but it got me for a minute or two. See the wikicode of this post for an example. --Tankity Tank 06:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, TT, that's a nice idea and I hope to be able to implement that. :) --Gaile 06:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Except... I just did the change for the check marks, but once we get into the special template formatting, there isn't a headline, per se, and I cannot figure out how to add the without impeding the actual formatting of the individual reports. Can you advise? --Gaile 06:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Just put the {{yes}} inside the equals sides that surround the header, like so: == {{yes}} Title of Section == (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 07:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and touched up your Misc. Bugs page in that fashion - you can use it as a reference if you want. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 07:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

That is what I was doing, until I noted the template formatting, which doesn't have a == headline == format at the beginning of each report. The Misc Bugs page is the exception. The other pages all have templates that format the report, and putting in that doesn't work. Best example of this is the Text Issues page, where you can see where I was adding the check marks in the narrative-style reports, but was unable to figure out how to do it within any with the template format. Thanks. --Gaile 08:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's a quick and dirty fix - when you're ready to mark an issue resolved just insert a subst: call into the template code. Replace {{IssueTemplateName| blah blah blah}} with {{subst:IssueTemplateName| blah blah blah}} and save the page. This will sub the contents of the template directly into the page and then you can add a to it. It may be better to ask users to use the subst call in the first place, that way the page isn't just a big stack of template calls (it's easier to edit those sections then too). The other option is to add a named parameter to your templates, that way you can tack a |resolved=yes at the end and it will show the checkmark in the header - I'll look at how to do that. --Tankity Tank 01:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's a parameterized version,

{{User:Tankity_tank/Text_issue_test|some|stuff|goes|here|adlfkjsdlkfsd|resolved=yes}}

Yields:

some: stuff

Error:goes
Should be:here
Additional info:adlfkjsdlkfsd

I still like idea to use subst: calls better, it fixes the weird behavior with the [edit] links that you see on those pages now. --Tankity Tank 01:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ello

Why do you not have an account on guildwiki? I mean this is just a ripped of version of guildwiki. This is so immature. 86.83.15.245 19:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess you missed the whole discussion regarding GuildWiki and legal problems with web-integrating GW with it. Basically, ANet talked with GuildWiki owners about the possiblity of integrating GuildWiki into GW (in the form of clickable help menus), but because of legal problems, they had to instead start their own. I hope that this addresses the "ripped version of guildwiki" and "immature" parts of your comment. Alaris 19:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you're misdirecting your charge of 'immature'. Perhaps the charge itself? GWW exists "officially" and so those officially associated with Guild Wars tend to gravitate to this wiki. -elviondale (tahlk) 19:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Immaturity is not taking the trouble to find out why ArenaNet couldn't utilize GuildWiki, and thus why and how a "ripped off version" is truly nothing of the sort - but rather lashing out at someone who is by no means obligated to treat every site equally. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 19:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

How do you rip off factual information? That is like saying the wikipedia is a rip off of the encyclopaedia Britannica. --Lemming 22:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Save it guys. If you look at his talk, it's pretty clear he's won't bother to try and understand. -- ab.er.rant 05:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

o hai thar --Tankity Tank 11:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

GW2 wiki

Hello, Gaile. Since more information about GW2 is starting to become available (PCGamer etc), maybe it'd be useful to have that GW2 wiki enabled? Any new developments on that since the last time this topic was discussed? --Dirigible 22:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

New wiki, new community, new sysops/bcrats? --  (CoRrRan / talk) 00:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we'll have to start with electing new sysops and bureaucrats. -- (gem / talk) 10:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I do not think that we want to get started on a Guild Wars 2 Wiki quite yet. Thanks for the suggestion, but let's hold off for just a bit. --Gaile 16:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It need not be started right now, but please start it at least a few months in advance of any beta/alpha not subject to a NDA. --Xeeron 16:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

That sounds like an excellent idea. --Gaile 17:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait, did we alreaydy "vote" on a GW2 wiki? Unless we did, I for one would want this wiki to also encompass GW2, because it's Guild Wars wiki, not GW1 wiki or GW2 wiki. Calor - talk 21:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I see your point, Calor. This is something that I should discuss with Mike O'Brien, since we will be incorporating wiki access into GW2, as well. Incorporating and enhancing, I believe. --Gaile 19:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not the place to discuss or vote about it, but I wouldn't want to have the 2 wikis in the same place, it would be annoying, There will a need for many "disambigous" pages including: shared place names like Kryta, shared people names, all mechanics like damage, skills, characters, profesions, all items like weapons, armors, etc etc etc. Thinking about all that from the two games in one same wiki, it would be extremely confusing. Coran Ironclaw 21:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Coran. As was mentioned in the previous discussion on this matter, chances are that mixing both games in one wiki may not be a good idea. Gaile, if you guys are seriously considering keeping both games on this wiki, it'd probably be a good idea to bring up this issue to the community, as I don't doubt you'll receive useful feedback on the matter. --Dirigible 21:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think Gaile has made it fairly clear that there will be one, it is just a matter of when, and how do we precede until then. It seems a bit pointless introducing one this early as there is very little information, and any wiki like that would be pretty dead most of the time. --Lemming 21:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that GW2 is, at the very least by the time of open beta if not sooner, going to need its own wiki. There is simply going to be too much overlap. That said, what I for one would like to see would be the two wikis closely tied together. Ideally, they wouldn't be much further apart than a GW1 namespace and a GW2 namespace. Is there a strong need to pass two NPA policies? For the same community to elect the same sysops twice? For each user to have 2 userpages? On the other hand it would be a solution to the reversion policy standoff. 1RR can be on GWW, 1RV on GW2W, and 3RR on GW3W whenever that may come...

Sorry, bad joke. Anyway, that's what I'd like to see, to the extent that it's possible. I don't know if two wikis can share user accounts, or perhaps could even share User: and Guild_Wars_Wiki: namespaces, but it'd be nice if they could. Certainly what I wouldn't like to see would be GW2 wiki opening and there being a mad scramble to grab up other people's usernames, nor yet another long, arduous process trying to get this and that policy sorted out until people just get tired of the discussions and move on to other things. - Tanetris 22:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The Movement of the World

Just wondering if you could comment on the article at The Movement of the World, which appears to be a direct copy of the text found at pcgamer.com. I wanted to confirm the copyright issues on that text, and if it's okay to have the text directly copied to the wiki. If the text is actually copyright ArenaNet and just being republished by pcgamer, then we should be okay with it here; but if it's an exclusive article given to pcgamer.com, then I'm guessing that copyrights would require us to only summarize and link to the article, rather than copying it directly. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Note added to the guildwars.com press coverage page for the Ultimate Guild Wars Guide: "* Due to a production error, a section of the article that begins on page 91 was left out of the issue. PC Gamer will be posting the article, titled "Movement of the World—a Guild Wars 2 History Lesson," in its entirety on their website at www.pcgamer.com on Tuesday the 25th." Svartalve 01:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It is acceptable for this to be copied to the GWW, yes. --Gaile 20:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

What about Ecology of the Charr? -- Gordon Ecker 08:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the standard "exclusive" period on that would have expired, but I am confirming with our Marketing team and will let you know. Thank you so much for asking! --Gaile 19:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Marketing says that if players wish to add that material to the GWW, it's ok to do so. Thanks again for checking. --Gaile 16:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Rather than just a could we? How about a should we? I see that information pertaining to GW2 is already being added to many places. I don't really agree with it mainly because it really has nothing to do with GW1. I'm thinking we should be informed by ArenaNet how soon are they planning for a GW2 wiki or whether this wiki should be expanded to include GW2. If it's not anytime soon, say by the end of the year or early next year, then we should start some discussion on how to organise/split GW2 information on this wiki. For some reason, I just don't like seeing GW2 lore interspersed within GW1 lore. It just... doesn't feel right. -- ab.er.rant 10:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand your concern aberrant, but I think as long as the pages pertaining to guild wars 2 are clearly labelled with a template we can always move them over to the correct wiki later. I certainly wouldn't discourage having content over not having it. --Lemming 18:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, if it's ok with you guys, I'd love to get content up and ready, and we can port later. I don't see us starting the GW2 Wiki for a while, although I will be checking on that in a few days to make sure. In the meantime, let's start the templated article-development system that Lemming suggests, if everyone's good with that idea. --Gaile 19:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Technical support for the wiki

Hello Gaile, lately Emily has been very busy it seems and we have a couple of rather urgent technical requests. Could you perhaps check if it is possible for Emily to look into the issues, or perhaps is it possible that someone from the IT department itself tries to keep an eye on GWW:TECH and its talk page? --  (CoRrRan / talk) 15:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, CoRrRan. Emily has been out sick, poor dear. :( I am sure that she will move forward with these requests, and since she's by far more knowledgeable and may have already started on the referral process (I've been away for 12 days, so I am not fully up to speed on such requests) I'd rather not jump into the middle of them at this point. Hope that's ok -- I'm sure Emily will be back in a day or two. --Gaile 15:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Update: Emily has returned and I see activity going on with IT about making the changes that have been requested. Thanks for your patience. --Gaile 16:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

How to Edit Suggestions Pages?

I just took a look at the Guild Wars Suggestions page, and I note it's over 200 KB. So the question is, how does that get archived? By month? By type of request? If by type of request, would that be, say, "Skills, Items, Game Mechanics, Levels/Maps, Quests/Missions,.... ?" Can you guys give me a hand with coming up with categories, or make a good suggestion about how to keep that page neat and tidy (and edit-able)? Thanks a lot. --Gaile 21:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest by month. By category would be interesting, but I think it would be way too troublesome to you : D Plus we would eventually end with a person who made a suggestion not agreeing in what category it should be placed; by doing it by month, there is no arguing around when a suggestion was written there. Erasculio 22:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I did a split out of September, and will move some more over as time passes. Boy, lots of great ideas in there! --Gaile 00:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Guild Wiki

As you're our Community manager, I'd like to bring up this matter. Is Guild Wiki allowed to display adverts of GW items selling website? I know it's not hurting anyone, but afaik selling items for real life cash is against the EULA :| Could you check it and maybe note GWiki about it? Also in an extreme case, reconsider speciality fansite status. Regards, - IronHeart 16:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a known problem with the ad system that ANet was aware of when they made GWiki a specialty fansite. Just inform Wikia (the current hoster of GuildWiki) of the the specific ads that should be removed and they will block them. However, the advertisers always find new ways to get past the ad blocks and an alternate ad system isn't as beneficial to Wiki than this one. -- (gem / talk) 16:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I heard Gravewit is handing over control of GuildWiki to Wikimedia Foundation or something. Wikimedia automatically blocks all gold sales ads, so that won't be a problem anymore. -- Counciler 20:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikia, not wikimedia. - Drago 21:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Dangit... I knew it was something like that. :P -- Counciler 21:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

In answer to your question, no fansite in our program is allowed to host ads for the sale of in-game items. We've been in frequent contact with those sites that have such ads, and have been very patient with those that state they are unable to remove the ads. One fansite already lost its placement in our program, and therefore placement on our fansite roster, due to continued ads offering in-game items for real-world money. Other sites have been cautioned. The fact is, when some sites with identical financial needs fully adhere to our Terms of Use and others do not, it creates confusion amongst the fansites and within the community as a whole. We will look into this matter further. --Gaile 21:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I suggest waiting until Wikia takes full control to see how they manage this. -- (gem / talk) 22:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Edits on My Page

Twice in the last hour, people have removed content from my page. Could you explain why you feel that was necessary and appropriate? -- Gaile 17:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It was in reaction to a thread on guru. Someone thought they'd contact you, someone else said they're in contact with NCsoft support (or someone who can deal with it), so the first person removed it. Everyone after that was just being confused. -Auron 17:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, I do know what the removed content was about. I want to know why people were removing it from my page. That's not standard wiki practice, and I'm trying to clarify who editing (that part is easy), why they're editing, and where the content is going when they edit. -- Gaile 17:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

You can remove your own post as long as nobody has responded to it. If people have, the most you can do is strike it out. -Auron 17:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It had to do with the exploit posted on guru which you have already replied to Fall 17:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

(reset intend)I left a message on your talk page about that thread, then Rahja said he'd wish I wouldn't have done that because of more people knowing about it and higher chances of people finding out, so I removed it. Sorry if I got you confused :P -- Mini Me 17:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand. The thread is locked, I've received no email, and I'm trying to resolve this as quickly as possible. I do not need or want someone stepping in and offering to serve as a relay to me. I need the OP to provide me the information directly. -- Gaile 17:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

If you could hop on GuildWarsGuru IRC chat, I think some people could go into detail about it with you via PM. -Auron 17:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

(Quick link to IRC here). -Auron 17:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have the info that I need. I appreciate those involved in helping us learn about this. -- Gaile 17:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Gaile, if you need still need any info just send me an email or pm me on guru. Glad to see you are doing something about it :)--Pablo24 18:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

And thank you very much for making us aware of this right away, so that we could enable a fix within a very short period of time. We really appreciate you keeping us in the loop like this! -- Gaile 08:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Linking to pages of the Arena Net artists?

Gaile, sorry for cluttering your page again, but I have something to ask the CR: many of the Arena Net artists have their own webpages showing their work. Those are easy to find, and they have been linked in many places; but we don't have any of those links here in the wiki. I would like to add a link at each artist's page here (not on their user page, but rather on their "staff" page, like Gaile Gray), so we may have an easy way to see all the artwork they have already made available on the internet...But I'm not sure - would they mind if I did so? None of them have added those links themselves; and while I think that's because they just don't have time to work on their wiki pages (something I don't expect them to do anyway; this site is not supposed to be kept by the ANet staff, rather by the community), I'm not sure if that isn't because they simply don't want us to share those links so freely. As our main contact with Arena Net, would you mind sharing your opinion about this? Erasculio 13:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I think that it would be more appropriate for individuals to make their own decisions about what links reside on their page, just as we all do. For instance, someone may have a personal blog that they really don't wish to have linked on their "corporate profile" page. If someone else were to add that link, that seems a little intrusive, in my mind. I will ask a few artists how they feel, but my recommendation is that we allow these folks to build their pages -- or not -- as they see fit as individuals. -- Gaile 18:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks for replying, Gaile : ) Erasculio 19:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments in Appropriate Sections

I've noticed quite a lot sections are moved to relevant discussion pages. I understand this and I want to ask how to decide whether to post something on a talk page about that topic, or to post it here. For example, if I want to ask you a question about Domain of Anguish, or the Bonus Mission Pack, should I ask it here or on those discussion pages? I know questions will likely get answered about the BMP on its talk page because that is an upcoming feature and there is a lot of discussion about it but DoA is not so visible any more. I wonder if there is a question someone wants to ask you, should it always go here or is there some other way to decide where to post? Dancing Gnome 17:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

This seems to be a two edged sword. Gaile hs asked people to post on the relevant talk pages when necessary, but in those cases she might (and most likely will) miss the stuff. What I personally think is that if it really needs Gailes attention post it here or on one of her sub talk pages, otherwise keep it to the talk page of that topic. -- (gem / talk) 17:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I've always thought that if another user is more likely to answer a question first, post it elsewhere. Gaile is PR, not the end all for GW info. (no offense ;-) -elviondale (tahlk) 18:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I'm CR not PR. PR usually works as part of marketing, and they deal with general information releases, like a press release announcing 4 million games sold. They also generally interface with press. I interact with players, answering their questions and serving as the bridge between the developers and the players, in both directions.

Where to post? If it's a question that players can accurately answer, like "When does a (posted) offer end?" or "How do I finish this mission?" or even "Is this a bug?" then post it on the topical page. (It can always show up here after player discussion.) If it's a question that seems to require a dev answer, you can post it here. I then can answer it and leave it here for a bit before archiving in my archives, or I can move it without an answer (meaning that it's awaiting players answers), or I can answer it and then move it or move it and then answer on that topical page. For example, there have been a lot of questions about the BMP, so it makes sense to answer them and then move that content onto the specific BMP page itself.

I would recommend that if you don't know where to look, you check the topical page first. If you have a question that players are likely to be able to answer, post in that section. If you have a question that requires a studio answer -- that players aren't likely to know, and aren't likely to be able to quote from an earlier GWW post, forum post, or in-game chat log -- then please feel free to post here. I hope that answers the question, but please do let me know if it's unclear. -- Gaile 18:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

My apologies. Deep down I knew that, but failed to recall that information. T.T -elviondale (tahlk) 02:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, it's no problem at all! What we're doing here is helping others, as well, as they figure out which page to go to first, where to post, and so forth. Thanks for the help. -- Gaile 04:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

New Project: Can you help?

I've posted a new community project at the top of this page about gathering international and local cultural references to add to the game. I'm not sure if that's strict etiquette, since newest is usually at the bottom, but since I want the opportunity to stay on the page for a while, I believed that top-of-page placement was better. Head here to participate! -- Gaile 02:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I've personally used colored tables on top of my user or talk page to promote improvement campaigns etc and I'd recommend you do the same. Here is one way to do it, and here another one. Hope that helps. :) -- (gem / talk) 04:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice, Gem, and I want to do it. Can you (or someone) tell me how to "nest" a table in between my (too large, yes, I'm going to archive!) nav bar on the left and my archive tables on the right? There's a lot of "dead space" in between those tables, and I could sure use that to put in "Current projects" as a new table, preferably one that sort of stretches to fill in the space without it being too table-y. (That is -- a nice buffer space between the two other tables would be nice.) Also one that, if the nav bar gets wider, doesn't overlap. I'm just not able to figure out how to do that. Anyone please let me know if you have ideas! -- Gaile 05:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll fiddle around in edit mode to see if I can do it. :) -- (gem / talk) 05:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome. Feel free to add a color if you want to. :) -- (gem / talk) 05:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Dang, you rock! Thanks so much!! Oh, I see -- it made the nav bar skinny. Any way to make the Nav bar "push" the middle table so that's the one that skinnies up? :D -- Gaile 05:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The power of being still awake at 7:30 AM is great. :) It wasn't a big think at all, I'm glad I could help.

(edit conflict) Oh yeah, I'll set some width percentages for all 3 of them and check with multiple resolutions. It looks ok on my 1400x resoltuion at the moment and I forgot to check others. -- (gem / talk) 05:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it ok now? -- (gem / talk) 05:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Major thumbs up! Sara vakalevu! (Lord, I hope that's right. :) ) -- Gaile 05:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Great. What language is that? -- (gem / talk) 06:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Dag nabbit, it was supposed to be Finnish! :( :( Anyway, thanks again. -- Gaile 08:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Haha! :D They aren't even close to anything that would make sense in finnish. :P -- (gem / talk) 22:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

When did the finnish languish make sense? --Cursed Angel 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me Gaile but I thought ANet was done with adding Content to GW1 (like in “We are focusing on GW2 now), except for Updates and Festival Events…. or are you talking about adding Cultural References to GW2? Regards ~Garbaron~; November 15, 2007

Signature question =(

how do i add a pic to the end of my username? i'd love to have one, but dont wish to manually put on every page i post on. ='-(. Sorry this is the wwrong section, but i dont know ehre to put this! (gaile=genius compared to wiki vs. me)--NoXiFy 20:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You can find the policy on this here: Guild Wars Wiki:Sign your comments. It also tells you how to change your signature, short story: it's in the preferences section. This question would be more appropriate in the help section under "Ask a Wiki Question" iirc. Otherwise you could ask a helper. 58.110.140.18 20:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind!!!! I got help! :D Thanks to peeps that helped ^^--Ñ'öẊĭƑý 21:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Contest Links

The contest links on your userpage are broken. At least I think so, I think there is an extra "|" at the end of both of them which shouldn't be there. I changed it for you because it worked for me afterwards, sorry if I shouldn't have. What I think you tried to do was use wiki code to replace the link with text, but because it was an external link it didn't work - it must be different for external ones. 58.106.236.144 08:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this note until now, but please know that I always welcome help with my page, and if you see a broken link or something that could be linked that I forgot to link, it's perfectly ok to go in there and add those. In fact, I consider that a very wiki-friend-like thing to do! Thank you so much for helping out! :) -- Gaile 05:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Guild Wars 2 Wiki

Hi Gaile, Seeing as Arena Net now officially endorses the wiki and hosts the content, would it be possible for you (Arena Net) to put things like quest information, armour acquisition and NPC info up on the Guild Wars 2 wiki? I would be surprised if you didn't have some kind of database while making the game already. Something you can search and find quest givers names etc or the model viewer which is used for the armour renders etc. Most of the information we find as players is already known about because you put it in the game yourselves. The prima guide had all the information in it as well and you guys wrote that. 58.106.236.144 12:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

gw2 will come out in about one year. i guess the wiki for it will be alive in 8 months or something.--Cursed Angel 13:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

This wiki came to fruition because of ArenaNet's desire to make an official wiki; it's not like it existed before and then they just suddenly wanted to host it. If you're thinking about GuildWars Wiki, that's a whole different wiki, and the two were never connected as one. As for releasing information on GW2, that is highly unlikely. Why would they release details about quests, missions, NPCs, and whatnot about a game that isn't out yet? Not only would that be considered major spoiler information, but most of it's probably not finalized yet. I really don't see a GW2 wiki starting until very close to the release date, which, by the way is probably closer to Q1 or Q2 2009. Kokuou 15:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I am well aware of this history of both this wiki and the guild wiki. The question is if they have the information on hand already, when they release the game why not put it up on their official wiki anyway? The only difference is the current system is subject to many flaws, missinformation and lack of information. If they just put the information up when it was launched I don't beleive it would cause a great trouble to them because they probably have a similair database anyway and it would save users a lot of time, as well as making the wiki a more complete resource. 58.106.236.144 15:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Because it is a extremely time (resources) consuming job to do a wiki. They left that to the players. But you can see how some devs do indeed help the wiki a lot, with armor renders and other information or confirmations. Coran Ironclaw 16:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Well they already have all the information available and like I said above, they did a large part of this wiki in the form of the prima strategy guide, which they probably did make money off of, but I don't imagine it is as time consuming as you say. I haven't seen this asked before and so far all any user is able to post is speculation or misunderstanding of the op. 58.106.236.144 17:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't think it was that time consuming to create 13,564 articles? I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but it's taken hundreds of players (likely far more than ArenaNet's entire staff) to document as much as we have today. Even GuildWiki is still incomplete, and it probably has more active editors, not to mention being around for much longer. Kokuou 21:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It would take a vast amount of manpower to pay employees to create a wiki as encompassing as this. A Guild Wars 2 wiki will almost certainly exist, when the time is right. As yet arenanet has released very little information about GW2, just take a look at the article which is about the sum total of what is known. --Lemming 22:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

A Guild Wars 2 Wiki is an excellent idea! And it's not something we need to wait to start, is it? I mean, even if information is sparse in the early days, what fun to get things started now, and we can all help build one into something truly marvelous! More info to follow... -- Gaile 05:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Formatting Question

Do wikis have the technology to offer drop-down menus? I'll tell you what I'm thinking. My right-hand nav bar is huge. I was wondering if it's possible to put only the main topics, say "Suggestions" and then have the various sub-divisions expand below it when that main topic heading is clicked. Works like a breeze on websites, but I've not seen it on wikis, so I'm just not sure it's possible. All I know is, I have to do something about the expanding nature of my nav bar (nav bar creep, I call it) so that the thing isn't 154 lines long! Maybe I need a tiny portal system, like wikimedia -- Gaile 20:34, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

There is script for show/hide you could use for it, but I don't know how to do it personally. Lord of all tyria 20:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that might work. I imagine that our wiki community will know more about this -- thanks for the heads up. I realize I could poke around and borrow code, but I'd rather have some expert advice rather than just editing code into my user pages from another page. :) -- Gaile 20:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

This is possible, as far as I know, but requires a wiki-wide installation of a javascript. The community had it requested in May (see RFTA), but it was put on hold since we found no benefit for the primary focus of the wiki, the documentation :) I'm not sure if there's another way to do it, though. - anja 20:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

There might be other similiar scripts, but I wouldn't bet on getting anything of that kind installed. It'd be nifty for some things, but the real use is quite minimal and loading additional js isn't always nice. Besides, many users have js disabled anyway. -- (gem / talk) 22:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

A simple link to a subpage which contains the content would be a simpler solution, I think, for the meantime. - Thulsey - talk 02:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Or the archive box could be horizontal like on my talk page. -- (gem / talk) 05:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Dang, Gem, that's very nicely done! I don't want to scare anyone off my page with a huge block of archives... but I wonder if that might work for me. *ponder* Thanks for giving me a good idea to consider. -- Gaile 02:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

AI issues page

I'd like to organize the current User:Gaile Gray/Guild Wars AI issues page a bit by adding different categories (skill usage issues, Control Panel & Flag control issues, NPC issues) , but the AI issues Template (Template:AI_issue) uses a level 2 header so that makes it difficult to organize everything on the same page. The Art issues template doesn't use that so I was wondering if there's a particular reason why the AI issues template is different? --Draikin 16:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it to match the art issues template. If you think anything else should be changed, feel free to just do it. (Or if you need help, let me know). Ale_Jrb (talk) 17:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I think this will be an improvement after I categorize everything. I assume it's impossible to avoid using headers but still get the title of each AI issue in the table of contents? I see that on the Art issues page people simply added their own header above each entry to circumvent this problem. --Draikin 17:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I messed around with the whole thing for you (as you seem to use it the most :P). You can have the headers in the template, or not. At the moment, I've left them in, and it looks OK to me, but feel free to change them if you want. I also fixed the auto-linking in the template, so it should work properly now. Ale_Jrb (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it's already a lot more organized now. The problem I have with the headers in the template is that if I wanted to add categories for each profession under "Skill Usage", it would become a problem with the level 3 headers used in the template. Removing the headers means they don't appear in the table of contents, so I'm not sure how that to solve that. I assume adding a new template with level 4 headers would work but that would make it a bit complicated... --Draikin 18:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I can add an option in to change the level of the template, so you can categorise all you want. Gimme a sec :). Ale_Jrb (talk) 18:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Done, FYI. Ale_Jrb (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, that should solve the problem. Thanks for the help :). --Draikin 19:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Having skimmed through the first two posts, I thought I might share a rumor I heard about a level one header. :o Armond 02:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Why would anyone use a level 1 header? *shudders* Ale_Jrb (talk) 13:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I use them on my personal quick reference lists. -- (gem / talk) 13:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

After reading about Wiki editing a bit more it seems I was actually referring to a level 1 heading instead of level 2 (== Level 1 ==). Another question I have now is what to do with duplicate issues or issues that are simply incorrect (for example [[1]])? --Draikin 15:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd archive them. And there is a true level 1 header (= Level 1 =) and it is evil and should be banished from the face of the earth. For all the possible headers, see User:Ale_jrb/Sandbox. Ale_Jrb (talk) 15:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I added a second archive to move those issues, but I now noticed the "Edit" links on the page aren't working correctly. Because of the headers in the templates each issue will also get an edit link, but for some reason only the first issue has an edit link for the template while the rest of the issues point towards sections on the AI issues page itself. This means that clicking on the edit button next to the second header ("Flagging and Movement Issues") will actually point to section 5 instead of 2. Is there any way to disable edit links for level 3 and 4 headers? --Draikin 17:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for all the hard work getting the archives in order! (I will leave the questions for someone else, more knowledgeable than I, to answer!) :) -- Gaile 06:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

GW2 suggestions archive

Heya Gaile. Just a note to ask you to archive your GW2 suggestions page if you have some time. It is rather lengthy. :) -Aspectacle 23:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)-

You're right -- it was enormous! I've moved out the remainder of September and all of October. November is large, but I'll wait for a bit before I move that over to archives, I think. Thanks. -- Gaile 04:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Privacy

Hi Gaile, I have seen a discussion on the wiki lately which I found personally alarming. Here: Guild Wars Wiki talk:Requests for technical administration#CheckUser. The discussion is about installing software to the wiki to allow certain users, (it hasn't been defined who, only being discussed but the proposal was bureaucrats or sysops) to view the currently hidden ips of registered users. Currently any registered user's ip is stored by the software, however to my knowledge no-one is able to view it. This potential proposal would allow some users to view it - and likely divulge any information they found to the community. I personally find this very alarming as I have contributed here under the knowledge no-one was able to view my ip for as long as I was registered - it was the reason I registered, (I don't want any admin or anyone else viewing my ip). This software would change that and I feel like my contributions would consequently make me vulnerable. I wanted to ask you this now because I am alarmed by the discussion, to see if there was anything in the privacy policy which protects my ip? Or perhaps an official stance Arena Net might have on this? Sorry to bother you with this but it made me anxious and I wanted to ask. Anon

The reason this is needed is to check for socks. Anyways, if one of the admins wants to hack user's computers, we're in far bigger trouble than you think. If you don't trust the admins, don't contribute to a wiki. And anet presumably can find your ip every time you log in to gw, it's not that big of a secret. Nor is it like your credit card number, it doesn't really matter. For example, my ip is 74.241.138.89 right now. Big deal. Lord Belar 21:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yup and the amount of times i've forgotten to log in and registered my comments by IP instead of user name are countless. Really anon if they want to hack you their would be other ways of doing it. This is a vital thing we need to stock socks. This has been raised due to the raptor debate over on another page. Honestly though its not that big a deal. -- 82.46.237.197 22:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Bugger! I did it again! -- Salome 22:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Excellent way to demonstrate, Salome! ;) -- Gaile 04:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I do appreciate your comments, Anon, but I believe that 82 is right and that this is a relatively benign system that will allow the administrative team to better monitor socks.

Now, well you might ask why we care about socks. I mean, everyone has several pairs, and unless they're the seasonal socks of which I am so fond -- 11 pairs of Halloween socks, 14 for Christmas -- few people really care much about socks one way or the other and certainly the majority don't feel that they need monitoring. Tube, knee, anklet, or sport -- the need to monitor socks was not a factor that I considered, either. However, the folks who are key to this wiki feel that socks are an issue, and the monitoring will make this a better community. So while I think we can adopt a policy of kindness that looks the other way at an unraveled cuff or at toe-nail peek-through, let's go ahead and support the requested technical update that allows overall sock monitoring, as it has been proposed. For surely it will be non-intrusive and without evil consequences. -- Gaile 04:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, having taken a moment to consider, I think I should offer the assurance that yes, I truly am kidding about the whole "sock" thing. And I'm for anything that identifies and exposes true "sock puppets." Even if I am sorta fond of Lampchop. ;) -- Gaile 04:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I must say, I love your obsession with socks Gaile :D. While I am not a fan of handing out my IP (nor those of the hundreds of people I have access to) as an admin I can understand they are situations where knowing an IP address can have several advantages. Anon, not sure that you realise this but except where you run your own server, generally several users are given the same IP by their service provider, don't ask me the details as I'm still learning networks, needless to say, IP's aren't that hard to get hold of, and those that have bad intentions will generally know how to get hold of it if you want them to or not, which is why a good firewall is good, even free ones. What I'm trying to say and making a complete pigs ear of is don't worry, it ain't half way as bad as throwing away envelopes with your name and address on it. If you are concerned make sure you turn of your modem/router when not in use, as they can't connect to what isn't there, also, if you server assigns dynamic addresses, the IP changes almost every time you turn the router/modem off for more than 20 minutes. Draco 05:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

@Anon. Your concerns are viable, but I feel that you really underestimate just how easy it is to get an IP address. Anytime you connect to a website, the hosters of that website have the ability to see your IP. Anytime you send a message to anyone via an instant messenger service, its attatched to that message as well. For example, if you were to send me a message on, say, msn messenger, I could use a packet tracer to track the IP of that message, use any number of sites/resources to track where the IP was coming from down to the city, use a tracert command to determine whether or not you were behind a router, as well as view the entire path from your computer to mine, and, in all probability (unless you have secured your computer otherwise), use still a another program to basically take a look at whatever you have on your computer, and add/subtract to it as I see fit.(this later step is extremely difficult and requires a lot of "ifs" to pull off, as well as a high level of computer knowledge.) The point im trying to make is, if you trust this site enough to post on it, then you are in fact, already entrusting Anet with your IP. So, while you are correct this is a big step, its not as big as one might think. And for the record, I support this decision, as IP tracing is the best way to track down socks.--Ryudo 06:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

To prove a point... I am on a proxy right now. They could have banned my ip, my account and any other number of accounts as much as they like, I could have 30 sockpuppets banned and all I need to do is go down the list of proxies and choose another one. So really Gaile, this ip tracking does NOTHING to stop sock puppets, all it does is scare other people. All I need to do is select a new proxy and bam, block avoided. I'm not saying we should promote sock puppets or even not attempt to deal with them, but why promote a method which will scare people, invade privacy and not actually deal with the problem of sockpuppets in the first place? Like someone has said in this discussion... anyone who will use sockpuppets will likely know how to use a proxy. Coming from Americans, where privacy is secondary to the protection from terrorists, it's not surprising you have no problem with this. 69.10.36.2 07:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

69.10.36.2, Please keep insults off of my talk page. That applies to all nature of personal or general insults, including digs at a contributor's nationality, religion, culture, gender, age, politics, or any other personal factor towards which you might be tempted to aim negative commentary.-- Gaile 18:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The knowledge level between using a proxy and using a sockpuppet is pretty vast. It wont prevent all, nothing will. but it will help. And that really is the bottom line.--Ryudo 07:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I think we should try to keep the discussion where it belongs rather than spawn a separate section on Gaile's talk page. Erasculio said that "anyone who will use sockpuppets will likely know how to use a proxy". It's not exactly an irrefutable statement. -- ab.er.rant 08:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no anomitity online, those who believe they have it are living with a false sense of security. Granted it is possible to make yourself more difficult to find, but if someone wants to find you, or find out about you, they will. Med Luvin 16:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Measures to make CheckUser effective against all users, not only those who don't know about proxies, are being considered. I agree with Aberrant - this discussion is already happening on the page he linked (as well as in at least one more place), so I don't see any need to continue it here (not to mention how we are quick to fill Gaile's page with stuff, I think we make her archive at least twice a month : D). Erasculio 10:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

What measures? -- Gordon Ecker 11:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki:No open proxies? -- Gordon Ecker 11:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) In order to focus the discussion on the wiki page where most contributors feel it would best be continued, I'm going to archive this section to my Wiki-related archives. Hope that's ok with everyone, but I do think we'll all agree a single focused discussion would be best. -- Gaile 03:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

if you can ban

85.25.151.22 mass incredibly hard to revert vandalism — Skakid HoHoHo 23:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That IP has been reported already on GWW:NOTICE. Gaile doesn't have the ability to ban, as on this wiki she is technically just a normal user (sorry, but its truth) although her contributions are vastly superior -elviondale (tahlk) 00:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find the noticeboard =P — Skakid HoHoHo 21:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

There's a link to it on the recent changes page.--Pyron Sy 21:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Some thoughts on Category:Historical content

I was perusing some of the old content Guild Wars used to have. Some of it I remember very fondly and didn't realize that I missed until just now. Other things were great ideas that didn't really come to fruition (Vabbian Arena). Still others are things that passed away just before I started playing (Old locations of arenas, etc. I thought it would be great to experience Guild Wars as it used to be for a week or two.. Maybe a "Return to your Roots" event before GW2 gets in beta test mode. Consider:

• Access to PvP arenas in their pre-battle isle locations (maybe just as explorable areas)
• Fooling around with some of the beast mastery/mesmer skills that fell along the wayside (as PvE only)
• A UI that hearkened back to the early days (maybe released along with an option to select which of the 4 chapters/campaigns you'd like)

Just some thoughts that I thought would be pretty cool. Every one else can begin with the negative comments :) -elviondale (tahlk) 19:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be a great idea! Although, I'm not sure how Unnatural Signet (alpha version) would work...--MP47 (talk) 20:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be a GREAT idea as well! A whiff of nostalgia coupled with memories of simpler times - and a revisit of some long lost, forgotten places. Clan Yumemiru 20:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

This is easily one of the best ideas I have heard here. Well done. -- Counciler 20:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

That would be lovely... Would love to see Gwen as a little girl setting everyone and everything on fire in Ascalon city! nice idea! -- (Tribina / talk) 23:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

They could pull that stunt with Gwen, similarly to when the mursaat ran round maguuma stade killing things, so it could be done again. Lord of all tyria 23:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I can almost sense BMP2: Forgotten Places of Tyria descending on the game somewhere next year ... Clan Yumemiru 23:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Would be pretty cool ;) Lord of all tyria 23:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Really sorry, but we cannot turn back the clock to bring back removed content, or go back and finalize content that we decided not to release. There was a reason we moved forward in other ways, and while it's very cool to look back on Skill Gems, I don't think anyone really wants us to head down that path again. ;) -- Gaile 04:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol, no worries, I didn't mean that. It was more about the arenas at least.. It'd be nice to be able to access them through the outposts again. The login UI would be a nice change too. History is a big part of GW, and I think this would be a nice tribute to it- and some of the players who have been around since the beginning -elviondale (tahlk) 04:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes that vabbian arena would be very intresting why can't you put it ingame as random arena ore something like it. I mine you guys have finished it but something went wrong why don't you guys introduce it for random arena only ore something.

The Vabbian arena was never finished, and could not be implemented into the game. Sorry. -- Gaile 00:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)