User talk:Konig Des Todes/Archive 2011 2

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A little birdie is tweeting "e" and a bull goes "mail", though it sounds like moo. :-) So, tweet moo - hehe. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 19:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Cryptic for something simple. -- Konig/talk 19:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Yea, I know. Tried to make it "cute". :-P :-) Needed something cheery. :-( Want to do a topk run sometime? Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 20:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
... o.O ... O.o ... o.o .... Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 18:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I would. User Ryuu R.jpgRyuu  *bite* 18:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Plural of fluxes

Electrical and magnetic are two types of Fluxes, although there are situations in which you might refer to a Magnetic and electrical flux (singular) to describe a single field that combines several effects. Fluxes is also the correct plural to describe the reagent that helps soldering and whatnot.

Although, I suspect that your edit summary question was rhetorical, I thought I would use it to sneak a thank you for updating the definition/notes for Hard Mode quest. Your edit is a lot better than my attempt to put some meat into the article: well done.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 21:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

My edit summary was, in fact, not rhetorical. I've heard and seen "fluxes" used but I also know of cases where -ux and -us words turn into -i or -ii when pluralized, so I was not 100% sure whether it was fluxes, fluxi, or flii or some weird thing like that. Though I guess just typing out the words would of answered my question as firefox tells me of those three only fluxes is right (then again, it says that firefox is wrong so...). -- Konig/talk 22:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
firefox is misspelled, but Firefox is fine. (Its dictionary is ...odd sometimes.)  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Moving discussions

Yo. A section started by Raine, where Raine's signature is to be found three times, belongs on Raine's talk page. That's if it's not to be on the page which provides context. The page that would is the talk of your suggestion. I was one of several people who responded to Raine. I had only responded to Raine once. Randomly putting it on my talk was illogical; I moved it.

I'd prefer if it's not moved back to my talk page. Thanks. (Perhaps next time try User talk:Damysticreaper?) User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 12:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I moved it to your talk page because Raine was responding to your comment (thus you, not me nor himself) and it was 100% irrelevant to the page it was on. It was far from illogical. -- Konig/talk 17:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Alliance Battles

Hey, first of all, thanks for the feedback. I was looking at your userpage, and from my understanding, you definitely know what you are talking about here. I also looked that you added my suggestion to the ones you support. Thank you for that. I also noticed that you added that it but said that there is still a stagnation of what people do. May I ask exactly what you mean? I'm very passionate about where I stand and I am totally open minded to any suggestion. Plus, I really hope that somone who has possible connections would spread the word. Thanks again for the feedback! Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] 21:40, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Huge Mural of a Female Kurzick

  • Thought you like to add this one to your list of GW's Lore Mystery; I plan to linkup with guildies and see for myself. ^_^ --Falconeye 20:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
:) Manifold User Manifold Neptune.jpg 22:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
User Chieftain Alex Mural.jpg - see if that turns up in an hour or so. Took about quarter of an hour with terrible builds to get there. --User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 00:23, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking it was more like a Necromancer than a Kurzick. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 00:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
It's a Kurzick. Obtained from I believe (been a while since I updated it). It's also seen in the Echovald Forest, and the Kurzick section of the printed version of An Empire Divided. -- Konig/talk 01:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


OMG!! A guy who's finally taller than me. ϺЄЄ☺ 23:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

i feel flattered... Well, not really. -- Konig/talk 02:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
That's no small feat. --Riddle 02:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
That's no wanted feat either. -- Konig/talk 03:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Cinematic NPCs

Thanks for taking the time to document the NPCs that appear in cinematics. I'm sure it's an enormous and tedious effort. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Not really. All you need is to see the model used, as the names are documented (but the page never made). Some of them are also in the missions and use skills though. 3 mission cinematics and 3 pre-mission cinematics are needed to go through, ironically all being Factions. -- Konig/talk 21:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Fun fact

Crayola colors, with CSS values

Apropos of nothing, I came across this link while looking for resources on CSS colors. (The only relevance is that the URL and the title includes the phrase, fun facts, although, imo, the facts aren't all that fun.) I hope that you enjoy the coloring resource as much as I do: it's perfect for kids (e.g. myself) that like tinkering with website colors after having played with crayons growing up. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

More Murals

Hey, have we got any pictures of the massive murals on the ceiling of the second room on lvl 2 of Shards of Orr anywhere? Entire ceiling is absolutely covered with them. --User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 20:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

User Chieftain Alex SoO Mural.jpg (in case you have no idea what I'm on about..)--User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 20:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I had no clue what you were talking about and I don't think many do. o_o That's the graveyard room? It's also in Cathedral of Flames' third level. Interesting... -- Konig/talk 23:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Very interesting. I need to em have Shards of Orr dungeon done in hm :-( Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 01:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Chieftain_Alex/Gallery#Shards_of_Orr - the practically black images. Little wonder not many people notice them. --User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 16:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Diessa Lowlands

Have you seen a map on a post in this explorable? I have, but I don't know if it's Tyria or not. I took a screenshot of each side that I can upload if needed. it's like in the middle of that explorable. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 17:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

It is Tyria. There's several there, and it's also used as the Ring of Fire signpost in Ember Light Camp. The text is in Ascalonian. There's even some of the original attempts to translate from before we got the Charr Battle Plan Decoder that has all 26 letters here. -- Konig/talk 17:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Actual, a bit on that article is wrong. that one are with the slant straight down is course, c, but looking at the Tyria map closely of the T. it has the curved line in the r like it shows in that alphabet picture for the letter t. so they're similar, but a tad different, just very hard to tell at times. depends on the angle of the character, images, etc. thought I'd point this out. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 19:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Er, which article? Are you referring to the original attempts to translate? It is indeed wrong and I've known such for a while. (Also, looking at it, seems that was post-battle decoder). There's an even older thread from incgamer forums.-- Konig/talk 00:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I was referring to the linked article (Languages of Tyria) with the decoder words in alphabetical order... Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 09:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The words are in alphabetical order, so the article is correct. Ascalonian C's look like a Latin alphabet lowercase r, and the T looks slightly stylized - as you said - so that's correct. I'm lost on what's wrong. -- Konig/talk 10:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for changing all the landmarks back to their template form. I was going to do that, when I had noticed that Jon had fixed the template, until I saw you had done them instead. :-) Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 23:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Salvaging of envoy weapons

You updated the envoy weapons to indicate that they can salvage into dust or gold zoins.

  • Since zoins aren't crafting material, that's a significant change in how salvage works (obbi armor doesn't salvage into platinum, for example).
  • How sure are you that it's 1 piece of dust or a single gold zoin? (I presume you or other members of the Test Krewe were able to test this and that you didn't accidentally salvage your own hard-earned weapons.)

I consider you to be an extremely reliable source about this type of thing; I trust that you wouldn't have made the update without some inside knowledge. Still, I'd be happier knowing that someone (such as yourself) independently verified it. Especially because I'm very surprised that a salvage kit can produce something besides crafting material or mods.

Thanks. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 10:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I figured someone would like proof on the 1 single dust/coin. And you're right in your assumption this was done via the TK (just me, btw). I've also figured out the various other things through testing: Default common salv is dust; things salvage into what makes them. Most of the non-material "crafting" items are set to non-salvagable (Tormented Weapons, for example), so these going into zcoins isn't surprising.
If you care to see the proof behind the salvaging, File:User Konig Des Todes Envoy salv.jpg. -- Konig/talk 14:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
For reference: I never got a coin out of a common salv, and I never got a dust out of a non-common salv. -- Konig/talk 14:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Your explanation of the methodology is sufficient verification (and proof is, of course. always welcome).
You say that things salvage into what makes them, but (a) things never salvage into gold or plat and (b) they have only ever salvaged (before) into the rare or common mats involved in making them. Zoins have, until now, worked like trophies (e.g. Ancient Artifact) or standard trophies, i.e. there's nothing else in the game that sals into one of the items collectors take for it. Heck, most of the zoin's list of items don't even salvage at all. (On the other hand Pokhe et all offer to craft
Well, regardless of whether I should have been surprised, I was. So, again, thanks for taking the time to explain. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
For the gold or plat - true, that's excluded. How I see it, they are not part of the crafting process - in any sense (coding, lore, etc.) - but rather the price for the process. As I said before, just about every weapon "created" by non-crafting materials are given a code string that the Envoy weapons lack, and this string prevents them from being salvaged. /bonus weapons, tormented weapons, end-game greens. All of them are only able to have mods removed, but no crafting materials (exception being /bonus weapons which doesn't allow any salvaging). This is likely to prevent what we have here: weapons granting non-material items.
Not saying you should or shouldn't have been surprised, as at face value the two appear to be different systems simply because it hasn't been seen before, but in reality they are, in fact, not different systems. There's just added values that prevent what we get here. And truth be told, I was going "wtf?!?" when I got that first gold zcoin. -- Konig/talk 16:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Wow, that's a lot of gold zcoins. Any chance you could, um, you know, maybe, uh, sendthemmywaymumblemumble -- Hong 16:23, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Not possible, on live I only have 2 gold zcoins. :D -- Konig/talk 16:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Hong: you can have all the zoins you want now, as long as you are willing to pay for them at highly inflated prices.
Konig: yeah, wtf was my reaction, too, when I saw the info box (until I saw that it was you who added that data; then, I was just very surprised). Do you have any sense if this was an accident on ANet's part?
I appreciate you taking some of your TK time to doing some (lots?) of this type of research. (It's a good thing I never signed up; I can imagine spending hours testing salvage rates for all sorts of things.)Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
I actually talked to Gee about the whole salvage situation right after salvaging the first Envoy weapon (he's how I know that dust is the default salvaging item and that all items salvage into what "made" them), and he wasn't surprised by the fact it could be salvaged so it was not accidental. Probably more on part of not finding it important. -- Konig/talk 16:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Self notes on Charm Animal


Do you think we should edit the talk pages to remove the (monk) and (warrior) of Krak? Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 23:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't be harmful. I've done it before just to clear the Special:WantedPages list and wasn't yelled at. But it doesn't particularly annoy me enough to bother, as the number of red links on talk pages is immensely huge. Konig/talk 00:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Happier furnace

Thanks for the massive (and long overdo) clean-up of Sorrow's Furnace (and its related articles). — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Unimplemented content

Are these new skills just showing up in the .dat or have they been there for forever?--Four Year Strong 23:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Been there for a while but never had pages made. Konig/talk 00:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
See also. Konig/talk 00:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Bummer, was hoping they were things that were going to show up in WoC. Oh well.--Four Year Strong 01:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
They're from Nightfall and Eye of the North. Sorry buddy, closer observation. :p Konig/talk 01:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Official forum suggestions

I had an idea to incorporate the feedback suggestions into the official Guild Wars forum. As you and a a small group of others love to suggest things, and the feedback space pretty much dead, it would be a better place to get our ideas visible and a better fit than the wiki. I posted a a topic here, and if I could get your support, thanks! I think the idea will go nowhere but if enough agree maybe their stance will change or they can humor us! What do we have to lose!? Previously Unsigned 01:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Delete tags on redirect pages

Sometimes, it's appropriate to put the {{delete}} tag above the redirect (as you did for DressUp), but sometimes, while a discussion is taking place, it's better to allow the redirect to work, which requires the delete tag to go at the bottom. It depends on the context. For DressUp, I don't think it really matters (I expect very few people to search for it over the next few days). — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I was told in the past, about a year and a half ago maybe? That maintenance tags should be placed above the redirect so that the tag can be found (otherwise people just skip it when going to the redirect). Was told this by an admin on GW2W. As such, I followed that method, which tbh makes sense. Konig/talk 02:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure, it probably makes sense more often to put the delete higher up. But if you do, then then the redirect doesn't work anymore...and sometimes, that's more important. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 03:17, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Factions concept art

I see you're uploading Factions concept art, I don't suppose you could tag those with the artist if that info is readily available, could you? It would really help with the concept art uploading and categorization drive I intend to go on. Oh, and shotgun uploading Daniel Dociu's art :P --Santax (talk · contribs) 04:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately I saved these things a LONG time ago. The only artists I know are those who have their names saved in the file (which I just had some uploaded). I think all of the "CH2_" files I uploaded earlier are Katy Hargroves (looks like her style to me at least), but again, it's been so long since I found these and saved them, I just don't know the artist anymore. :/ I'm intending to go searching sometime through a bunch of artists' sites where they upload stuff and try to figure out all the old stuff, so those I don't know here I'll just add onto the list. Konig/talk 04:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I looked through, the only place I know for sure, outside of unique-to-the-artist sites, that I got images from and named a good handful. I also updated/uploaded a couple Proph images. When I got time, while will end up being Thursday night at best, I'll upload my round of Nightfall, EN, and Utopia images. Konig/talk 06:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I saw you clearing up after me when I was doing all the business with the moves today. I was going to do it myself, but you saved me a lot of time and energy by doing it for me, so thanks for that. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Concept art project

You might want to take a look at this. Most of it was written before our discussion, so don't be afraid to edit or update anything that was missed out. --Santax (talk · contribs) 02:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

My eyes may be misleading, but are you sure you want to do the replacement on File:"Mine" concept art 2.jpg? Ping my talk-page as I may forget to check back here. G R E E N E R 19:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Are the images found in Category:Guild Wars 2 concept art to be renamed or re-categorized? They both seem to be referenced a lot by users. G R E E N E R 23:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Santax added that delete tag; I'm actually fine with the category, though I'd prefer to keep it to a minimum - it's particularly helpful for the images which are used for both EN and GW2. But the images should be renamed. Konig/talk 00:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I removed the delete tag. By the way, I believe copyright is still extended to modified images, and as such the licensing on those images need to be kept as they are not released under the GFDL. G R E E N E R 07:12, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Is that so... then there's a lot of images that are lacking the tag - besides, those shouldn't be in the concept art category either way. Perhaps create a new parameter for the "user modified anet image" situation? Konig/talk 07:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
If we wish to categorize things further, sure? *shrug*. And no, they shouldn't be popping up as concept art. As for missing the tag, yes, too many are lacking it. G R E E N E R 07:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Recent merge

There seems to be some conflict over who Master Saberlin actually is (as per Talk:Armin Saberlin). Mind hashing that out? --JonTheMon 12:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, could you complete the note on Armin Saberlin? I don't know what you were going for. --JonTheMon 12:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The prime controversy is caused by the level situation, however he is not the only NPC to have a reduction in level. We're never informed of Deeter getting a promotion, and Armin already is a Master. There's no support outside the (very flimsy) level situation for Deeter to be "Master Saberlin". Regarding the note, fixed. Konig/talk 20:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for finally correcting the trivia. I'm just happy to no longer see possible speculation/speculation. That trivia message is far better than what was being allowed. Thank you again and I feel and strongly hope it'd keep from any more revert wars and un-necessary long discussions. 04:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Armor / Collectors

Since I know you mess with a lot of the pages. I wanted to get your ideas with thishere. I don't really know exactly where to propose this as templates would have to be created for it to work. I think it'd help with other items like when Nick collected for the superb charr carvings. I'd like to see what he collects (as well as what others collect) changed into images. I think changing what the collector collects into images, might help reduce the table sizes, etc. More so the other items like Skale Fins, etc. We already have templates for the materials and rare materials. 04:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Primary issue I see with using images instead of items is for the case of duplicate items. Unlike for materials, trophies are duplicated a lot. For instance, you got File:Skale Fin (pre-Searing).png, File:Bog Skale Fin.png, and File:Jungle Skale Fin.png with the exact same icon. You got File:White Mantle Emblem.png and File:White Mantle Badge.png being the same. And then there are those who don't know what the icons are.
Secondly, in the versions you propose, the icon is way to small to make out. I can't tell what this is showing. Looks like a vest of some sort to me, and its supposed to be a cup? You shouldn't be forced to hover over an icon to tell what it is. If you are, then the icon is too small; and if you don't know what it is without something non-apparent/hidden telling you, then it's not helpful. Konig/talk 04:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Yea, the icons needs to be bigger. Well, could have both the written and the image as well. Just trying to think of a way to shorten the collector parts for at least the armor sections... 05:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


Oberan's Rage and everyother follow-up quest in Ascalon. 20:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to need a bit more substance to the message to know what you're requesting or intending to state. Konig/talk 20:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Tsktsk. I'd thought you'd be smart enough to check history and talk page :P 21:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I did, in fact, prior to you making this post. And I had intentions to test it in my free time. But how am I to know that you weren't referring to something else? I will note that there are a couple post-Searing Ascalon quests which are for certain professions but can be done on any profession - you, however, don't get the full reward. Likewise, you can start a quest with one profession then change your profession and complete it as a non-requirement profession. Your situation could be either case. Konig/talk 21:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
My theory is; in profession-specific quest chains, only the first quest has a profession requirement. That should explain the rest. 21:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can tell quests are somewhat 'hand-crafted', there are certain patterns, but some quest chain following some rules won't mean that others ill too. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 02:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

my archive

no problem thanks for fixing it. and feel free to fix any other pages that need it.-User Zesbeer sig.png Zesbeer 22:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank Kormir!

I appreciate you taking the time to deal with the redundant mission navigation bars that proliferated not that long ago. Navbars are supposed to make navigation easier; multiple at-a-glance lists are no longer at-a-glance.

If someone objects (and you don't see me supporting the changes), please ping me and I'll add my John Hancock. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I added those after Template:Missions in Kaineng City was deleted and dealt with per the talk. I'm busy cleaning up categories atm, and want to catch up on the sylvari stuff, and then will have to finish packing (moving on Monday!), so I won't have time to delete the templates from the pages using them - mind if you do that? It was pretty much discussed to remove them since they're redundant (everything on those I tagged is on another template). Konig/talk 22:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Sure I can remove other stuff. What should I look at to ensure I'm removing the right nav-templates and/or cats...? Can I figure it out later from the talk you linked above? or is it as easy as going through the mish from the other campaigns and removing the regional mish navbars? — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
The correct templates are Template:Prophecies missions, Template:Factions missions, and Template:Nightfall missions. So just remove the {{Missions in <region>}} from the mission articles (including challenge and competitive missions). Konig/talk 23:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Done. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 03:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I really am sad and disappointed as well as astonished that you two did not bother discussion the mission navs and the changes here. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 06:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
It was discussed (linked above), so sorry it wasn't brought up on a, rather hidden, formatting page rather than a page directly brought up. For the rest of the discussion, going to the link. Konig/talk 07:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
It's not a hidden formatting page. it's easier to get to that page than the template talk page that this was discussed on. Anyway, damage is done. I hope that in the future that the formatting pages will be considered when making considerable changes as proposed by one that obviously didn't know about the formatting guideline. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 07:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Truth be told, the formatting pages are rarely visited except in defense of changes or reverts. The pages which are changed/reverted are more commonly seen by individuals because those are the ones actually influenced by the changes whereas the formatting guides are indirectly influenced. The changes began some time ago with the Kaineng City missions, that's about half of the Factions missions and no complaints. Re-adding the delete tag, but not with the speedy. Konig/talk 07:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Look, get consensus on the formatting page, Change it there. THEN change it on the template, mission, etc. Otherwise, you and others are going against formed consensus. Which ought to be made new consensus on the formatting TALK, than on some template talk. Template talk doesn't make it new consensus. formatting talk does, because you discussing about more than one template. Tx and nite. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 07:24, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Hah, I could say the same thing about you with the changing - you reverted how many articles when it was already discussed? And don't say it was in a hidden place as 7 mission articles - 6 of which being primary storyline articles - were affected by the discussion (they already had the template removed). The correct actions you could of done was to simply remove the speedy parameter. There was absolutely no need to revert all of the changes. Where a discussion takes place doesn't matter for shit (excuse my language, but its true), it's the fact that it was discussed and the discussion was put into effect. Location merely influences who sees it - and honestly, except for the most visited of most visited pages, all discussions are of a handful of people nowadays - and by most visited of most visited, formatting pages are probably less seen than a template which influences multiple articles. Tx and nite. Konig/talk 07:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I reverted the changes as per the formatting guideline, until new consensus is formed. Then the changes can be made afterwards. IT should remain as it was, until the consensus is done on the formatting talk. I'm tired of repeating myself. That template discussion shouldn't have started or ended there as per the changes on all templates, etc. it should have been done on the formatting of which I moved it to In so many words. so yes, we're to keep the old, until we - all those involved agree with the removal or decide what to do with the templates, but we need to fix the formatting guideline first, before making changes to templates and their mission pages. Else it's going against the guideline and already made consensus, not because a few didn't know about the formatting guideline or both using the request for comments to add in more discussions to see what the majority think. it was like decided amoung you all then immediately changed. I've never see anything else be done like that. Usually you have consensus on the formatting guideline, before implementing changes. And usually if needed, try doing a few examples or even a sandbox to show the suggested changes. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 07:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Formatting guideline - as in, not universal nor unchangeable. You shouldn't go reverted a bunch of changes just because they existed before. If a lot of changes are done, and you disagree, do not revert all those changes then discuss, discuss then change. Guidelines in the end don't matter for shit - they're there to guide, to give a basic placement for how articles are to generally be set up as. There will be articles which go away from the guidelines, and there will be times when old things are illogical and require changing - this is one. But even if it didn't go against the, tbh, stupid guidelines (the line of which was made by a single individual - and the templates made by a single other), that's now what should of occurred. It just simply doesn't matter if its done to the mission pages or the guidelines (not rules!) first. I doubt half of the wiki contributors even know of the guidelines.
This is possibly the first time you've upset me Kaisha (not much, but still done so - even in every other case which got out of hand, I found you to be on the reasonable side to some degree). I wouldn't be upset though if you didn't pull a hypocritic move of telling me not to make multiple changes but discuss first right after you make multiple changes then discuss. Guidelines or not, it's not how things should be done to keep some relative order on the wiki (that is, keeping the RC clean when it doesn't need to be cluttered - I bet you that since you don't even disagree with the changes that your reverts will be reverted). Honestly, who reverts a change they agree with?
Bah, enough of this here, it's best to centralize discussions and not get hot headed. Still find your changes to be rather ridiculous for your claim of the whole "get consensus then change." Sometime, Kiasha, you take things too seriously in an annoying way - I'm the same so I can't argue, but this is just plain silly. Reverting changes because one article which is by all means forgotten about except by you and then saying that you may agree (and no reason not to do the changes other than it having been like that!). Konig/talk 07:49, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I revert on behalf of the facts that no changes were ever done to these pages, without discussion. Sure you had a discussion on a template, but you didn't bother placing it on the request for comment. You didn't bother thinking that this could reflect on other templates and mission changes that could choke up rc and get noticed. I was wondering why you or others were making these changes that weren't by a guide that so many have used for over 5 years. Why discussion wasn't had? I didn't know of such a discussion on a template till I found it by scrolled back through rc due to your and tef's big rc changes. I didn't understand why it wasn't brought to get more involved and actually have a consensus. What you had was a discussion, but no consensus as far as I could tell. ONly what 3 people commented? Me? I have 3 so far, and probably more will comment on their thoughts. For what reasons? 1. it got made into a big deal (it didn't need to be if 1. it was on the formatting talk 2. it was in the requests for comment.) 2. it's in the requests for comment. 3. it'll be found via the restore request on the admin noticeboard. 4. other links on talk pages your's, tef's, and the template talk. Seriously, it is silly, but I'm doing what I feel in my heart should be "right". no matter how silly it is. I'm not trying to be disruptive, but I'm trying to do what I feel is right and should have been done a long time back. I don't think a minor discussion that's assumed as consensus, should be what's allowing a lot of changes for a lot pages that many, even I are use to. As I've mentioned on the talk of the formatting. I use to use the regional a lot more than the campaign. I know I've not been the only one either in many guilds and alliances that I've been in. So, what you have done are not Minor removing redundancy. It's major changes. I don't care if I get reverted once consensus is made. I'd be happy, because hey it'd be the right thing. I'd be happy to revert myself for the new consensus, but that's all an if and I'm not into assumption. I'm wanting others to help make the decision for what goes on as this isn't just your or my wiki or any one else's wiki. It's a wiki for the community of guild wars, that plays , etc. It's done by a community of players. I'd rather see team play, than sneaky play. Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 08:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Request for comment? How many of those articles are actually looked at by people nowadays because of that page? Between zero to none. If it doesn't get cleaned up, the discussions put up are up there for years. "You didn't bother thinking that this could reflect on other templates and mission changes that could choke up rc and get noticed." Actually, I did. I was hoping though that the discussion would take place before the first got deleted. "I was wondering why you or others were making these changes that weren't by a guide that so many have used for over 5 years." Because so few people actually even bother to go to the guideline pages, perhaps? 'Sides, I wasn't the one who deleted the template, so that yelling shouldn't be at me - I put the tags on the others because nearly 2 weeks passed and no complaints, I told TEF to do such because such is necessary to delete the templates no one had complaints with removing (and I bet won't) and are very obviously redundant. Discussion doesn't need to be on the guidelines and fun fact: a discussion that was on a template was lively until it got moved onto a guideline page, so your argument of it should be on the guideline page is pointless as there's evidence to state that discussions on that page get ignored compared to templates used on many pages (mindyou the mission infobox is more probably popular than 16 other templates). Either way, I'm not interested in arguing "who's right in making changes before discussing" so goodnight! Konig/talk 08:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Species Bosslist Navbar

Hi Konig. Could I ask a favor of you? I saw that you adjusted the navbar and am in favor of the changes. Could you also remove the Yeti category as there are no yeti bosses? I'm afraid of messing the navbar up. Thanks! Mohnzh say what? 17:33, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, and good spot Mohnzh. --User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 18:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I am not

Nutty! -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 21:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I never said you were? Konig/talk 22:07, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I see where that came from. I blame auto-correct. Been on a phone all day, still am.Konig/talk 22:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I have an idea

I was thinking of this and I want your input. :) concept art page, instead of redirect. changed to detail about the concept art, may be small information, but nice to know/have maybe? Not sure. Anyway, A link in that page to a sub page or few of galleries of these very cool concept arts. I was wondering (after hashing out my idea here), what you thought? Would that be something helpful/useful/nice? Kaisha User Kaisha Sig.png 16:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

For gallery, I've been wanting to do what was done on GW2W. If you only want to show sections, just link to the sub-categories which show the images. For the rest, all I can think of can be turned into a second paragraph on the category. So that really depends on how much text you can make. Konig/talk 22:29, 23 August 2011 (UTC)