Talk:Charr language
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[edit] Slang / jargon
"Kit" and "Cub" are both English words meaning "small animal." Should they really be listed here? I can't remember in what context they are used in-game, so I don't want to remove them without input, but it seems to me that they don't really belong here. Also, "mouse" and "meat" are questionable as well, as Charr characters don't use them unless speaking in Common, which gives me the impression that they are not used in the actual Charr language. --
orith is so fail 21:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
- IMO they should be included, as they have specific connotations which differ from their common meanings, like real-world slang and jargon terms. -- Gordon Ecker 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- Still, it seems to me they are more a part of Charr culture than the actual language... perhaps they should be moved to a separate list on the page? --
orith is so fail 21:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thieves' cant is commonly considered a language. --
Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thieves' cant is commonly considered a language. --
- Still, it seems to me they are more a part of Charr culture than the actual language... perhaps they should be moved to a separate list on the page? --
[edit] COMPLETELY Irrelevant (deletion)
This page is mostly English words and phrases that the Charr use occasionally. It should be deleted outright. I don't even advocate merging this into the Charr article. This page is pointless and makes the wiki look stupid. This is supposed to be a source of definitive knowledge, not some random babblings of the most inconsequential in-game crap. If this article is so necessary, why don't we have language pages for ALL races in the game? This place needs better editors. Nominate to delete. Kirenne Starfire [Kw] 19:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- I added a brief blurb about the Charr ideograms, hoping to spur further discussion about the Charr's use of ideograms as a primitive "language". If it's still considered irrelevant, then feel free to nuke this page.--Matthew Medina 21:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
- On what grounds? Having an NPC named after you doesn't mean you don't need to support yourself. Your opinion is not sacrosanct. The only Charr-specific words worth mentioning are Fahrar, Hrangmer, and Khan-Ur, and with proper writing style (something rarely exhibited around here) those words could be seamlessly introduced and defined in the Charr article. Cub is a generic term for several real-world species' young, not just a term endemic to the Charr. If they had their own word that ArenaNet writers came up with, THAT could be significant. As it stands, though, this page is irrelevant. When poking around in the Languages of Tyria category (which, by the way, is also irrelevant due to its overwhelming lack of content), I looked through the Canthan language article. Now, this article is wonderful. It gives a list of common phrases that are in a fictional language, not just random English words you hear in-game and decide to make significant. It also has sixty-four TRANSLATED ideograms, not just a list of limited ideograms that may represent what the Charr honor (which, again, is speculation: they could simply be cryptography symbols). The Canthan Language article is the example of what a lore-research article should be, and until the other language stubs (yes, they're stubs) are brought up to par, they should not exist. I advocate deletion of this article simply because there is not enough in-game evidence to support its relevance, nor even sufficient opportunity to research more. Furthermore, I nominate that all other existing language stubs (Canthan language excepted) be merged with their respective race or culture articles. By GW2 we may have sufficient material to construct a translation and research project, but we have an entirely new wiki for that. Kirenne Starfire [Kw] 22:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
- You should read the deletion policy. General deletion requires consensus. There is no obligation to explain or justify one's position in a deletion discussion, and I feel that I have already adequately explained my position in the slang / jargon discussion above. As for the information Matthew Medina added, it is not speculative, he's a member of the Guild Wars art team. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- You should read the deletion policy. General deletion requires consensus. There is no obligation to explain or justify one's position in a deletion discussion, and I feel that I have already adequately explained my position in the slang / jargon discussion above. As for the information Matthew Medina added, it is not speculative, he's a member of the Guild Wars art team. --
- On what grounds? Having an NPC named after you doesn't mean you don't need to support yourself. Your opinion is not sacrosanct. The only Charr-specific words worth mentioning are Fahrar, Hrangmer, and Khan-Ur, and with proper writing style (something rarely exhibited around here) those words could be seamlessly introduced and defined in the Charr article. Cub is a generic term for several real-world species' young, not just a term endemic to the Charr. If they had their own word that ArenaNet writers came up with, THAT could be significant. As it stands, though, this page is irrelevant. When poking around in the Languages of Tyria category (which, by the way, is also irrelevant due to its overwhelming lack of content), I looked through the Canthan language article. Now, this article is wonderful. It gives a list of common phrases that are in a fictional language, not just random English words you hear in-game and decide to make significant. It also has sixty-four TRANSLATED ideograms, not just a list of limited ideograms that may represent what the Charr honor (which, again, is speculation: they could simply be cryptography symbols). The Canthan Language article is the example of what a lore-research article should be, and until the other language stubs (yes, they're stubs) are brought up to par, they should not exist. I advocate deletion of this article simply because there is not enough in-game evidence to support its relevance, nor even sufficient opportunity to research more. Furthermore, I nominate that all other existing language stubs (Canthan language excepted) be merged with their respective race or culture articles. By GW2 we may have sufficient material to construct a translation and research project, but we have an entirely new wiki for that. Kirenne Starfire [Kw] 22:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. --
- I find your userpage to be full of inconsequential crap. It's pointless and makes the wiki look stupid.
- No, really, if there's a reason to have a Bookah article, there's a reason to have a Charr language article. Vili
07:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- There isn't a reason to have a Bookah article. Kirenne Starfire [Kw] 08:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- Then you should hurry up and put a deletion tag on it, because it's COMPLETELY Irrelevant. Vili 08:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- Good suggestion. Done. Kirenne Starfire [Kw] 16:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- Then you should hurry up and put a deletion tag on it, because it's COMPLETELY Irrelevant. Vili
- There isn't a reason to have a Bookah article. Kirenne Starfire [Kw] 08:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
