Talk:Depths of Tyria

guildwars.com concept art or Kotaku screenshot

I'd prefer to use the concept art, as our current copyrighted content policy is unclear about whether we can use screenshots from news sites such as Kotaku.com. -- Gordon Ecker 05:55, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

I don't think Kotaku owns the copyrights to the screenshots. They were given to that news site from Anet in the first place, of course. (Terra Xin 07:48, 8 May 2007 (EDT))

I don't think they own the screenshots either, and there's no way they own the concept art, but there could be some kind of temporary exclusivity deal, and our current policy still doesn't deal with content from online publications. -- Gordon Ecker 16:25, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

And most of the Kotaku screenshots have been deleted, so it's either the concept art image or no image. -- Gordon Ecker 16:44, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Sorrow's Furnace and the Catacombs

I disagree with the inclusion of these areas. Sorrow's Furnace is treated as its own region in the quest log, and the Catacombs are part of Ascalon. If they're going to get grouped in the Depths of Tyria because they're underground then why aren't the other underground areas, such as Urgoz's Warren, the Deep, the Sunspear Sanctuary, Bahdok Caverns, the Hidden City of Ahdashim and the Basalt Grotto? -- Gordon Ecker 23:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Sorrow's Furnace is classed as its own region... when you enter it says "explorable area", and iirc all repeatable quests are categorised under the explorable area instead of the region. In any case, only areas that are believed to be Asura-created should be on that list, and we now know SF to be made by the Dwarves, and for the time being, the Catacombs are quite speculative. Feel free to remove them. --Santax (talk · contribs) 09:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

You're right, I hadn't noticed that non-persistant repeatable quests are grouped by zone rather than region. I still think that any place with a separate key type should be treated as a region or sub-region, but that's just my preference. -- Gordon Ecker 05:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Urgoz's Warren, The Deep and Raisu Palace also each have their own key type, which would make them separate regions from the Echovald Forest, The Jade Sea and Kaineng City regions, respectively. I'm really not sure that using separate key types is a good criteria to use to distinguish regions. --Dirigible 05:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Urgoz's Warren is clearly part of the Echovald Forest, the Deep is clearly part of the Jade Sea and Raisu Palace is clearly part of Kaineng City, but the sub-region designation is unofficial and completlely arbitrary. Sorrow's Furnace, the areas beyond the Tomb of the Primeval Kings portal, Raisu Palace, Urgoz's Warren, the Deep and the Domain of Anguish have their own keys and (for the most part) their own monsters. I think that warrents sub-region classification, other people don't. I believe that a separate campaign always warrents a separate region classification, and I believe that this is a much less controversial than my opinion on sub-regions. -- Gordon Ecker 06:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

It depends what you classify as a sub-region. You classify them by key types, I just go by the map. So Dzagonur Bastion and the Wilderness of Bahdza are part of Dzalana, which takes precedence in the infobox, but also part of Vabbi, which would be in Dzalana's infobox. Also The Sulfurous Wastes, Dynastic Tombs, Gate of Desolation, Remains of Sahlahja and possibly Joko's Domain being part of Sulfurous Wastelands, which is part of the Desolation. Once again, the infobox thing applies. The way I see it, things should be listed in infoboxes as:

• Landmarks list their explorable area
• Explorable areas list their sub-region, or if not applicable, region
• Sub-regions list their regions
• Regions list their continent, or if unavailable (outside of Tyria), the Mists
• Continents list Tyria

But I'm rambling a bit now. Perhaps it would be better if this was put on RfC or moved to a formatting page? --Santax (talk · contribs) 07:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about region classification, the imperial palace or the areas beyond the TotPK portal, but the Fissure of Woe, the Underworld, Sorrow's Furnace, Urgoz's Warren, The Deep and the Domain of Anguish all have their own armies. -- Gordon Ecker 23:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Just tested, and can confirm that neither the catacombs or Sorrow's belong to any other region than what you'd expect. Backsword 13:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I entered Heart of the Shiverpeaks from Battledepths. Looked much like catacombs.

I'm noticing a lot of discrepancies in regards to Cathedral of Flames. I've been naturally considering it Depths of Tyria if only because its a dungeon, no matter where you start spelunking it. Sadly, I did not realize that a lot of articles are relating CoF to Charr Homelands for the aforementioned reasons. CoF is also appearing in both Depths of Tyria and Charr Homelands articles and I appeal to the experts as to the conclusion for this as I've edited quite a few already on what I thought was considered fact.

The Cathedral of Flames should be in the Depths of Tyria. And just because I want to have my say on an old topic, since it wasn't brought up, the Catacombs of Ascalon and Sorrow's Furnace are part of the Depths of Tyria - in lore. -- Konig/talk 14:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

A Gate Too Far

Since this is using Raven's Point's dungeon layout, IMO A Gate Too Far shouldn't be listed as a dungeon. Other quests also don't get an explorable area named after them. --  (CoRrRan / talk) 21:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I second that. Even if the game says you enter a "Dungeon" in "A Gate Too Far", the dungeon where you enter is actually "Raven's point". Not "A Gate Too Far". Futhermore, there's no mention to it in gw.dat and it's probably not part of the 18 announced dungeons. Chriskang 23:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Concur'd. I'll remove it from the article now. --Santax (talk · contribs) 07:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Arenas

Should this section really be here? (It's also in the other EOTN region articles.) We don't normally list arenas in region articles unless they can be accessed via an outpost. For example, the D'Alessio Arena is not listed in the Kryta article. The ones mentioned in these region articles are were only accessible through Costume Brawl this year, so … :/ – NuclearDuckie 03:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)