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Exit Portal Anomaly

So, I just added my last Nightfall hero to my Hall of Monuments, when walking to the exit portal to get back into Eye of the North, I came across this: screenie

Anyone knows why this occured? Is it a bug, or is it just an 'easter egg'? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by IPname (talk).

Photoshoped much? Jackster 19:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not photoshopped, it's a bug. I've heard several people bring this up before, and I think I remember a discussion about it elsewhere, but I can't find it at the moment. Manifold 20:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

That must be the wierdest bug in the world. Is that even a place in Guild Wars?Jackster 19:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

This isn't my screenshot, but here it is in Vlox's Falls: Manifold 19:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks like someplace in Kourna. It's probably a scene from a portal there that is somehow getting transposed. -- FreedomBound 21:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I think a black hole coincidentally passes by and causes the wormhole to briefly jump portals. 76.164.71.104 22:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

It's pretty weird that they both have the same area they're looking into. I haven't had this happen to me, but I'd sure like to know what place that is :P ~Farlo Talk 22:57, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Fellowship HoM points

I hate the way the Fellowship note on how to acquire all 8 points was rephrased. I feel my original note was clear (there are 26 heroes, 3 rare pets, and the generic animal companion statue; to get to 30, you need everything). However, I'm not gonna edit war about it. Rather I'm going to put some options here, and whoever wants to can implement whichever (or leave it as is, if everyone prefers). I feel all of these are clearer than what's currently there.

• "A total of 8 Guild Wars 2 reward points can be obtained from this monument for 30 companions." (all that really needs to be said, considering it's impossible to get to 30 without hitting the other requirements)
• "A total of 8 Guild Wars 2 reward points can be obtained from this monument for 30 companions, including at least 1 rare pet along with the generic Animal Companion statue." (will continue to be accurate even if they add more heroes)
• "A total of 8 Guild Wars 2 reward points can be obtained from this monument for 30 companions, including at least 1 hero and 1 rare pet along with the generic Animal Companion statue." (as explicitly redundant as possible)

Considering we're supposedly getting a new hero from the next chapter of Guild Wars Beyond, and presumably could get more after, I favor the middle one. Opinions? - Tanetris 16:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I too favor the middle option. It's almost way too obvious that you'll need to add heroes, but info about rare animals companions may not be that obvious. --Lania 16:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Ogden healing the phoenix

{{Anomaly|If you fight a Rainbow Phoenix, Ogden Stonehealer will heal both of you.}}

I think the point of the Anomaly is that the non-party-member Ogden will heal both you and the phoenix. Normally, neutral NPCs heal either green dots or red dots (assuming they heal at all); in this case, both friend and foe are healed. I think the note should be restored (and rephrased, as appropriate).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

It probably has something to do with the animal being "allied" neutral with everyone in the instance, and the reactionary attacking doesn't change that. Where as if the animal is in the wild, it isnt set to be allied to the party or NPCs, thus when it attacks they charge in.--Neithan Diniem 09:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I think this is worth a note rather than an anomaly, since it's normal behavior, just a rare circumstance. Rose Of Kali 15:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Considering that this is the only instance that such a phenomena can be seen, its probably as I said, part of the programing. So yea, Id say not it, not bug it.--Neithan Diniem 17:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm? There is not a single instance of what you call normal behaviour in the game, as far as i know. The anon is right. Backsword 23:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Normal behavior is what is programed to occur, and is present throughout the game. Anything outside that normalcy is a bug or an anomaly.--Neithan Diniem 23:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

This isn't really the only occasion. The Kurzick/Luxon Priests in Factions can tag along to heal you or (most often) minions, and they can then also heal your enemies. 80.239.242.190 00:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

How about the Apostate who heals everything with Dismiss condition. Similar no? --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 01:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Would it be possible to kill Ogden with scourge healing? I'd really like to try, but don't meet the HoM requirements... 99.95.129.203 05:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)Helen

Ogden's an ally and Scourge Healing's a hex so no. Konig/talk 05:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

No no, I meant on the phoenix when it's attacking. Unless there's a rule about hexes against enemies not affecting allies that I don't know about? 99.95.129.203 01:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)Helen

Ascenadance

In the reward calculator, Ascended is 25 points and Closer to the Stars is 30 points, do you think this has any significance or not really? Jackster 14:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Probably not, I think they were just slapping them in there, picking which titles sound coolest. ~Farlo Talk 19:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I suspected as much thanks for the wiuck reply :) Jackster 19:28, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I think "Has a Full Sunspear Command Center" sounds best. elix Omni 22:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I was actually hoping for, Replies 8 Weeks Late With a Nominally Witty Response. (I dunno, perhaps that's too long?) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I will eat you. elix Omni 22:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

But, I'm not a Delicious Cake, ergo, by (false) syllogism, I must not be eaten. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 23:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Time for a guide

I think it's time for a guide to getting 30/50 (if not 50/50) for your hall. User:Saxon has proposed HoM Points for Dummies, which I think is a good start. I'd like to see us emphasize 30/50 (which unlocks all potential GW2 rewards) and offer several scenarios:

• Least effort: which 30 points take the least amount of work by the player.
• Least cost: more effort, but considerably cheaper.
• Missing a campaign: a combination of above, for those who are missing Proph or NF or Factions.
• And a comparison of things that are easier for long timers (e.g. adding minis) versus those less than 24 months in the game.

Do other ppls have different ideas for what they would like to see? — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 23:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Is that really necessary when there are really effective guides out there? Seems like it would make more sense to direct users to some of those guides instead of simply repeating the same information here because wikis aren't exactly the best format for a walkthrough/guide.--Four Year Strong 23:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Generally, I think a guide on the wiki will get more exposure than my user guide or a guru guide. And the only reason those guides popped up is bc there is not an existing one on the wiki. I don't mind if we copy paste mine as a start, or use some of it's guts. Possible things to include:

• • How many points are possible for owning each individual campaign + eotn.
  • Fastest way to 30 points
  • Fastest way to 50 points
  • Which points have synergy
  • Ways to farm money
  • A list of everything that can be bought from NPC's
  • A list of everything that can be bought in trade

--Moto Saxon 00:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The reason I've included "things that can be bought" is because people have asked me "I have a stack of ecto, how many points can i buy with it?" There are a lot of returning players who have loads of money sitting in there accounts from 5-6 years ago that are only coming back to get there hom points. --Moto Saxon 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

To which the answer is, 250e will buy you between 30-35 HoM points, assuming you begin with the basic 3. 123.211.254.168 12:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Misleading Rewards

"These bonuses are expected to be available to all GW1 accounts created before the release of GW2." This sounds like The HoM rewards are going to be available to characters on GW1 accounts, which obviously is not the case. This should probably be reworded. --Zathic 21:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I changed bonuses to features. --Zathic 21:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a bit for clarity, too. But I think this bit is unnecessary:

• ArenaNet has not stated whether this also means that the bonuses will also be available to GW1 accounts created after the release, but before the creation of a linked GW2 account.

Actually, the reference link where this comes from kind of makes it clear that they will not be available:

• "I don't know exactly what the timing will be, but I will tell you that we aren't going to allow new players to Guild Wars 2 to go back and get those items in the Hall of Monuments. Our intent is to reward players who are playing Guild Wars right now...So I can't imagine that we'll let somebody coming into Guild Wars six months after Guild Wars 2 ships and letting them have rights to all of the same opportunities our original players had."

Looks to me like that answers the question. I'd say to remove that note, but others may think differently. -- Tekn0mancer ( Trade | Talk ) 15:57, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough.

I think you could replace the note with one that makes the strong statement, "ANet intends the rewards for current GW1 players".

(As a separate matter, all features will be available to all players. All players are entitled to titles and items; these specific ones are reserved for GW1 players.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

That reference needs updating. That's an interview from 2007, since then it was stated that GW1 accounts made post-GW2 release will be allowed. Even the gw2w article says this, as does on the HoM FAQ "Q: Will I be able to continue earning Hall of Monuments rewards in Guild Wars after Guild Wars 2 is released?" "A: Yes." Misread that, it doesn't say account creation; though I do recall this being stated somewhere. Konig/talk 18:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, well I don't really feel strongly about it one way or the other. I was just trying to fix a clunky sentence, so I checked the reference to see what it actually said before editing. Seems to apply to the other thing too, but if it's outdated then maybe the link/footnote should be marked as such? -- Tekn0mancer ( Trade | Talk ) 19:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

PS now that I think about it more, though, keeping HoM rewards date-limited to pre-release GW1 customers would kind of fit with their M.O. to date. The festival hats, special minis, one-of-a-kind events etc. that are limited only to participants, that all fits with it working exactly the way the dev says it will. -- Tekn0mancer ( Trade | Talk ) 20:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

True, but I recall a more recent (09?) interview/article stating that people who begin playing with GW2 will be able to get GW1 and get the rewards. They may be attempting to alter the whole thing they had going in GW1, at least with this respect. Konig/talk 20:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I think this is the sort of thing that Stephane Lo Presti would consider following-up on. I'm sure he won't be able to offer a definitive answer, but I'm also sure that he would at least make sure that the HoM and GW2 FAQs reflect the latest ANet official thoughts on the topic. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 00:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Anyone find this sounding odd?

"The Hall of Monuments is an explorable area that commemorates character and account acquisitions and accomplishments." "character and account acquisition" sounds like as if it is commemorates which character/account you bought (as opposed to the stuff your character has bought). I don't have a better way of rephrasing it at the moment though. K61824 22:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Reworded, sound better? Konig/talk 22:13, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

"I'ts a known fact that people who play guild wars are either 12 or 40 years old. 90% being 12 of age" was posted by a player named Azumm Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. - Mocceb 14:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

No Azum 14:41, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Lolwut. I don't know of any 12 year olds that play. That said, I started playing at 12 years old and am now 18 :\ I'd estimate player age to be 18-80, with the majority being about 20 years old (probably buying it at 14-15) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 123.211.254.168 (talk).

95% of players are between 0 and 100 years of age. --zeeZ (talk) 12:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

did you know that 75% of statistics are made up on the spot?- Zesbeer 23:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Rainbow Phoenix

"The Rainbow Phoenix will only appear if the Party leader has all the Tapestries unlocked, is entering the hall alone, and has either of the following: "People Know Me" or higher (ten or more maxed titles). OR "Kind of a Big Deal" and at least 4 monuments are displaying the maximum number of displayable items (in personal or account-wide view, with the exception of the weapon monument, which needs only 9 weapons to be displayed)."--> I have done that on account-wide view except weapon momunent, but i still don't have this bird. Do i need Weap monument too or i have a strange bug? Maciej2010 15:34, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

There are certain situations in which the bird will appear earlier than expected, but so far we haven't found a repeatable condition that explains why this happens (People have offered various theories, but exceptions have been found for each.) To be sure the animal spawns:

• Enter the hall alone (no heroes, no other players).
• It should always appear if you have 10+ maxed titles (rank = People Know Me). If you have fewer than 10 titles:
  • Make sure that all tapestries are displayed for the current character.
  • Try to fill as many as you can for that character (fill = display the max # of statues).
  • If you haven't filled them all for the particular toon, change the display to account-wide and fill as many as you can.

If none of the above is working, return with a different toon. Once you have spawned the RP for any toon, charm it and then release it at the zoo: this will allow all of your other characters to charm it, too (even if they don't qualify to spawn it in the HoM).

Finally, if none of that works, you can unlock the RP using zaishen coins or Balthazar faction. Good luck. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I just visited with a character who has only 7 maxed titles and hardly any statues for any of the monuments (but all of the tapestries). I switched to account-view (which does fill the Hall) and the RP appeared for that toon. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Question about mechanics

I'm wondering if there is a lead time between when one updates information at a monument and when the reward calculator updates itself. If so, do we know what the lag time (or other event) is? Daddicus 04:45, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

It updates the next time you log out, as it says in the notes section. - Tanetris 04:47, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I see that now, but it's wrong. I updated 22 titles about 8 hours ago, logged off three times, and the calculator still reads as it did before I started. So, I thought they must have changed it. Daddicus 07:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe it's been changed any time recently. (My most recent test was this past weekend and the calc included the new statue after the toon logged out.) There are a couple of situations in which you might not see an update in the calculator, the most notable is that another character already earned those titles. Another is that the specific titles you added didn't make a numerical difference in your score (I doubt that's your situation, but I have seen other people make both of the above mistakes).

Without knowing your IGN, I cannot help you troubleshoot what's going on, so I'd recommend you report this as a bug (via email, the support site, or the forums). (If you want to email your IGN, I can work with you off the wiki.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Another piece of data: The updates went in at about 12:08 AM PST this morning. I had checked at 12:00 AM and 12:02 AM, showing no updates. It took a couple of minutes before I could try again (until 12:08), but for that check they were there. Blasterus Maximus is my IGN, by the way. I actually counted the title/statue count before I started, so I know 22 is correct.

Because it seems this is either a change in their process, or else that my stuff is messed up (a little), I'm going to do a few tries today and see if I can reproduce it. Thanks for the tip about going over a milestone; I wouldn't have thought of that (although it makes perfect sense).

I'm going to make another test on a different account today, and also see if I have a few minis that I can add (enough to go over the next hump) on Blasterus's account. Then, I'll watch again all day and see what happens. It could have been a browser cache issue, so I'm going to try that as well.

On a final note, I was using both texmod and the "two windows" tool by the same author when I added stuff. I'm going to try the same thing, but for one of the "log off and clear everything" tests, I'll bring it up minus those two tools. Daddicus 17:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Just tested this with a friend. Inspected the titles first. Added a statue. Reinspected; no change. Changed toons; calculator shows the new statue.

Short story: the calculator is working as described by ANet and as documented in the article. (Not sure why you saw something different, although it appears to me that your account has all but a few titles now.)

Although I doubt it's connected, there were some problems over the last few days (you might have noticed that 10,000+ minutes of favor was lost briefly and restored later on). It's possible that they had to reset a server, which also happened to be the same one that hosts the calculator, i.e. a coincidence that you were unlucky enough to be forced to notice. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Sentence doesn't quite sound right

In the "How to" section, the bullet that's two levels deep says "Only accounts with the Eye of the North expansion and who have unlocked the Hall of Monuments are eligible for rewards."

That sentence doesn't sound quite right to me, but I can't put my finger on why. Perhaps "unlock" being used of the hall vs. the individual tapestry shrines? I'm not sure, but it just doesn't read right to me.

Anybody else have this feeling? I'm not ready to revert it (or change it), but my gut says we should consider doing something about it. Daddicus 18:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Only accounts with the Eye of the North expansion and those who have unlocked the Hall of Monuments are eligible for rewards. (+ those and it's fixed?) or maybe: Only accounts with the Eye of the North expansion are eligible for rewards, after they've unlocked the Hall of Monuments. --The Holy Dragons 18:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Do we actually "unlock" the HoM? I thought we only unlocked each shrine inside it. Maybe that was my trouble. Daddicus 22:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

i dono because i dont have a account with out hom but i think you only start getting rewards from the hom once you have been there (ie once you start putting things at the shrines).- Zesbeer 22:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Which brings up the question of what happens if you add titles through Kimmes The Historian in Pre-Searing without going to the HoM on your account. An unlikely situation, but a possible one. --Valshia 02:01, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I actually know the answer to that one (which is a bit odd considering all of the very basic questions I've asked). I have 4 maxed titles on a character in Pre, and they just showed up in my HoM shrine (the one for titles) after I talked to Kimmes and clicked the buttons. Oddly, this has created a situation where I can't add 3 titles from Post (drunk, sweets, and party) because they're already in the "Account view". I think I can still add them in "my only" mode, but I haven't earned one yet to know for sure. Daddicus 18:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

When?

When Can we add Keiran Thackeray, Miku and Zei Ri?? am i the only one sick of waiting for this?..not to mention sick of waiting for the WoC skin weapons to be addable, HTFU :) --123.211.35.103 16:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I have no desire for Miku or Zei Ri, but I've been running Thackery for months. MANY months. Daddicus 00:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

gw support site

on the guildwars support forum site, gaile has stated that the names from gw1 may be reserved for gw2 but how gw1 to gw2 names reserving hasnt been decided yet, isnt it mis leading to have on this main page that gw1 names are reserved on your account, shouldnt it say that they should be reserved but this has not been confirmed, we currently only have a greater chance of getting the name. https://forum.guildwars.com/forum/forums/accounts/GW1-GW2-Character-Names-and-Hom that is the link to gaile saying what ive just put.Spark-TBa 14:55, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

"If you want the name in Guild Wars 2, create a character with that name in Guild Wars now. If you qualify for name reservations from GW → GW2, you’ll then be able to reserve the name to carry over." That confirms that the name gets reserved. Whether you can use the reserved name or not depends on what she meant by "qualify". 75.36.179.213 16:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

gailes post below that one is the one i was commenting on, "If the name is available now, then you may be able to reserve it in Guild Wars 2. It depends on how name reservations work in a Guild Wars to Guild Wars 2 manner. I don’t have all the details on that, but I understand that information will be provided in the future that will explain the process.

At this point, if you have a character named [name] in Guild Wars, you have a greater chance of getting that same name in Guild Wars 2." information on how banes are reserved will be provided in the future, and she said may be able to reserve, hence why i questioned the page.Spark-TBa 18:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Curtain colors

Hey people, ever notice that the curtain colors are different? My honor is red whilst all my others are blue. I don't know what this means, but it must mean something!A Liability 22:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

The honor monument doesn't have a tapestry. It has a statue with a blue shader effect, the other tapestries are red. It should be like that for everyone. Can you post a screenshot? MithTalk 23:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Reward Calculator Items

I just visited my Reward Calc, and noticed I was missing the first item. It hasn't happened before, so is it a bug or did they just change it? And if they did, why? :O Here's a screenie Jeree95 14:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure about your error, but I can't even get into it right now. Could be because they're fixing your bug, perhaps. Daddicus 00:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)