User talk:Lemming64/Archive0208

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Asura armour icon

Thought I'd ask you seeing as you're online at the moment, I found Image:User Brains12 Asura armour icon.png but I didn't know where to put it, and wondered if you did. It looks to me like an Asura armour icon. -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeh I found that one too, it looks like a piece of Vekk's armour I though. --Lemming 20:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Will there be a place for something like that to (NPC armor icons?), or is it unnecessary? -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I would say there is no harm, in fact I found the whole set of Vekk Brotherhood. Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Inventory icons/Hero armor --Lemming 21:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

his armor is renamed to "Brotherhood armor" if you gave him a Cloth of the Brotherhood, but his default armor is named "Asuran armor" and both look equal. I made some suggestions for the Hero armors on the talk page, maybe you want to look at it. :) —ZerphaThe Improver 01:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes I am with you, I didn't realise until later that the icon remains the same when the armour set is changed. I would suggest that the default name just be things like "Vekk Eye", "Vekk Robes" etc. --Lemming 02:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

oh you're right, we could actually leave out the armor part in the name, this shouldn't cause problems as
1. i don't think that arenanet creates a "Vekk" armor for players and
2. Armors normally also need the class in their names...unless they're common armor...but it is very unlikely that this occurs.^^

Hmmm, but wait, shouldn't the name of the armor piece not mirror the ingame name? another method would then be that we use the ingame names and put the Hero's names behind the armor in brackets in case the armor names would overlap. (which is e.g. with Livia and Hayda the case)
Do you think we should maybe talk about this issue in the main talk page of the project? —ZerphaThe Improver 03:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Well there is some discussion on the main project talk page, the name would reflect the in game name in the part of the piece name, shoes/boots/sandals, raiment/vestment/chest, etc? --Lemming 03:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The answer on my talk just remembered me of maybe leaving a note on your talk page to allude to my comments on thehero armor talk, which hopefully give answer to this question —ZerphaThe Improver 14:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit wars?

Wow, i am mentioned on a userpage^^ Just noticed you added me there. Did i miss something? When did we have revert wars or similiar? —ZerphaThe Improver 20:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit conflicts. Calor 20:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a category I use for people who edit a lot and normally end up conflicting with, :) also makes it easier for me to get to peoples talk pages. --Lemming 00:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

ok, alright. looks like i have to differentiate between revert wars and edit wars. :P —ZerphaThe Improver 14:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

One's bad, one's humorously frustrating. More humorous, though. Calor from school illegally, 209.80.184.4 18:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

I'm just gonna make a complete nuiscence of myself and waste my time by putting ths messege here!(can u tell i'm mad?)--Sum Mesmer Guy 20:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Play.com Show

Heya, Lemming. I was wondering if you had any more information about the Consumer Games Show that was planned by Play.com. We talked about it here and I was curious of you'd seen more publicity about it over on your side of the pond. Thanks. -- Gaile 00:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I honestly haven't heard anything more on it, I couldn't find anyone to go with me so I didn't buy tickets for it yet either, no advertising or anything. --Lemming 00:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Eloc's RFA

In response 2 ur comment on Eloc's RFA, i believe that every1 gets angry like that, but it's only Eloc who openly expresses his anger on the wiki. I ask u now, r sayin that u never wanted 2 say something of that nature 2 some1?--Sum Mesmer Guy 13:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Wanting to and having the self-control to stop yourself are different. Most people wouldn't mind breaking NPA now and then, only a few users actually do it. -Auron 14:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I know about lack of self-control, believe me (i have been known 2 get very violent) and some people just can't manage it. I don't think that there is a recent incident of Eloc losing his temper anyway.--Sum Mesmer Guy 14:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

every one gets angry from time to time, its just bad when you have admin tools with it ~ SCobra 14:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

i c what u mean, but show me a recent example of Eloc losing his temper.--Sum Mesmer Guy 14:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

No. -Auron 14:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Here, see how angry he gets and yells at everyone ~ SCobra 14:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Rather than asking people to convince you why Eloc's behavior is unacceptable for a sysop, I think it would be better if you try to explain and convince people why Eloc is acceptable for a sysop. I'm at a loss as to how you seem to have formed such a high opinion of Eloc after a short month on this wiki and being involved mostly with your own pages and having little apparent interaction with Eloc on the wiki. -- ab.er.rant 16:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw a lot on the wiki b4 i got the account, and i saw a lot of talk pages with Eloc on there, so i know excactly what's been goin on.--Sum Mesmer Guy 16:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I see. -- ab.er.rant 16:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

You say you've seen a lot before registering an account/editing. Well, you've seen a lot of Eloc on talk pages. More than believable. But did you ever read those comments? A lot of what he posts is constructive, but a fair amount is also "Eloc being argumentative and over-the-top". User talk:Lussh/archive1#Signature and User talk:Ryudo/archive would be good places to start to see why a lot of people are against Eloc having sysop powers, considering what he may have done with them in that situation. Calor 17:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

As a sysop myself I am aware that certain situations can be frustrating, but I believe that if you can't sit back and assess how you portray yourself in a message board type situation then something is lacking. I can't think of a time when I or any of the other sysops we currently have serving have ever had an outburst similar to the one I left as an example (which was only a little over 2 months ago). Until Eloc can prove to me that he can handle stressful situations more professionally then I can't leave a vote of support. --Lemming 21:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

If it were only Eloc's occasional temper, I don't think anybody would be opposed to him. It's a vast array of significant other characteristics that makes Eloc unsuitable for the position in the eyes of the community. —Tanaric 00:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

What characteristics would they b then?--Sum Mesmer Guy 09:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Read the current RfA and all past RfAs/RfBs. The reasons are all there, and those pages are archived for a reason. -Auron 09:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Check This Out

Hey there make sure u check this out and post here User:Shadowphoenix/User Birthdays --Shadowphoenix 05:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

done, what a nice idea :) --Lemming 12:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for adminship/Lemming64. --Xeeron 11:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Xeeron. --Lemming 13:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about all this, Lemming. Didn't it used to be that it required more reconfirmation requests than support votes to trigger this? In any case, your reconfirmation at this point is ludicrous, and I'm sure the policy will change to prevent this from happening again. —Tanaric 15:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the policy used to state that whilst it takes more to trigger one instantly, any request for reconfirmation would eventually trigger one. Which does seem quite absurd now we have got there, I think there is a couple of other people who will get hit with one soon because of that, I think yourself and Aiiane are two of those. --Lemming 15:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that Aiiane will face one soon, but I have no pending reconfirmation requests. I voluntarily reconfirmed after the last two were made. In any case, since both of us are bureaucrats and not sysops (well, in two days anyway), any reconfirmation would be a rote exercise in policy and nothing more anyway. —Tanaric 15:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Your tabs

Hey Lem, just thought I'd let you know about a slight problem with the tabs on your userpage. It's something I noticed a while back while trying to create tabs similar to yours for my user page but I completely forgot to mention it when I switched to my current version. The text seems to cut off half way up the words, I think it might be caused by the code on tab 1 and tab 2; it looks to be either line-height:0.2em or max-height:5px but I can't be sure which; if any; causes it since to actually check I'd have to save. --Kakarot 00:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I was never sure how to fix it, it only happens with IE so I don't see it on firefox, I will have a play with that bit of code though and see if it fixes it. --Lemming 00:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok I think that fixed it! --Lemming 00:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Yeah it's a weird problem, odd how in firefox it looks fine. Seems fixed now though. --Kakarot 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Might be worth letting Emily know as I got the code for the tabs from her originally. --Lemming 00:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Done :) --Kakarot 00:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

jpg and png

Wanted to thank you for updating that part on my pagespace :) – Barinthus 21:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

no problem :) --Lemming 22:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[1]

Dyou reckon it's worthy of a protect (prolly just ward vs IPs) until the emote gets confirmed? -Auron 12:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Good spot, that is at least 7 ip additions of non-factual information since the new year after a quick skim though, I'll toss up a semi-temp protection for now. --Lemming 12:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

rc check, vandal -Auron 14:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

got him, cheers Auron. --Lemming 14:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Zaishen Chest

You got 2 different post. Didn't want to merge them as one can't tell if the latter post includes the values of the former. or not. Backsword 02:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

They were separate instances, didn't realise they should be merged :), will do that in the future. --Lemming 02:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Reverts

LOL you really are the fastest reverter in the west,you beat me to them all you git! (LOL). anyhoo just a question,how do i do that wee reverting thingy, as all i do is delete the gibber and save again but im guessing thats the wrong method and that theirs some revert button im missing? P.S. it's good to see that im not the only insomniac still on this thing in the UK. :) -- Salome 02:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The "reverted edits by ___, to last vesrion by ___" is the text from the one-click sysop rollback function. Just go to contribs, and click all the [rollback] links and you have reverted that nasty gibber. The only way for "normal" users to revert is by undoing/resaving. -- Brains12 \ Talk 02:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Brains, thought i was doing something wrong and doing it an awkward way. Cheers for clearing that up for me. :) -- Salome 02:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome ;) -- Brains12 \ Talk 02:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Aye sysops get a special speedy revert so i just used firefox and ctrl clicked every edit the vandal had made. so 10 reverts in 2 seconds is no problem ;) --Lemming 02:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I just use the middle mouse button :p -- Brains12 \ Talk 14:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do Sysops get a faster revert option? — ク Eloc 貢 22:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Because they're Sysops. Calor 22:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, I always wondered why such a little difference was reserved for admins. Although, it might be because it rolls back all edits by one user until it gets to an edit by a different user (meaning a multiple reversion). -- Brains12 \ Talk 22:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Probably because if everyone had it anyone could, theoretically, try and revert all (13k) of aberrant's edits. If I understand the tool right. Calor 23:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

No, that couldn't happen. It only works on the latest edit of a page, so I could rollback this edit once I'm done until it gets to your edit. But once someone else makes an edit, I can only rollback that one, not mine. -- Brains12 \ Talk 23:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. Still a very useful tool in real time reverting mass vandalism. Calor 23:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion question

Since you seem to be online at the moment I want to make sure I did this right before this page is deleted. When I first added the delete template it added two of my pages; my user page and one other; to the candidates for deletion as well. I think I did the noinclude tags correctly but want to make sure that it is while the page is still there, thanks. --Kakarot 02:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks fine to me, I have deleted that page for you now. --Lemming 12:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks, got a bit worried when I saw those extra pages in the list for deletion. Once I added the tags it seemed to fix it but I wanted to make sure I had done it right. --Kakarot 13:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Inventory icons ubox

I just exchanged the Magmas Shield used by the Inventory icons task force userbox for Risky's icon. In case you liked the old one more, feel free to rv. —ZerphaThe Improver 22:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks good :) --Lemming 01:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

ok, allright. the only ironic part is that the icon of the crude shield actually isn't the icon used ingame :P —ZerphaThe Improver 14:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:User-Shadowphoenix Clover.jpg

From what I can see the image was not corrupt and it was viewable. A little odd how I could see it. Could you elaborate on your summary? --Shadowphoenix 18:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

hmm if it worked for you, that is odd. Basically another person tagged it for deletion originally with that reason, when I looked at the image myself I was also unable to view the image, and therefore concluded if two of us were having problems it was corrupt somehow. Perhaps it was an issue with the cache or something else. Please feel free to re-upload the image, I apologise for any inconvenience cause. --Lemming 18:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok np i re-uploaded it, check and see if you can see it now Image:User-Shadowphoenix Clover1.jpg --Shadowphoenix 23:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Comes up fine for me. --Kakarot 23:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Aye looks fine now. --Lemming 23:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

wrong icon?

When looking at Image:Necromancer Elite Luxon Scar Pattern m.png after comparing elite luxon scar pattern with elite canthan scar pattern i'd say you accidentally mixed them up. —ZerphaThe Improver 18:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Quite possibly, I can't remember where I got the information from originally. --Lemming 18:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Weapon/Shield/Focus page formatting

Lemming, I was looking through the weapon pages last night and found that the formatting varies quite a bit and also no one seems to know the accepted way to taggy the acquisition segment. For example should it be:

Campaign

• Greater Area
  • Smaller Area
    • chest/mob which drops it

e.g. Gothic Axe

or should it just be:

Smaller Area

• Chest/mob

E.g. Dragoncrest_Axe

Also under NOTES, should we be listing under the none-unique skins , which unique weapons use those skins or not as it seems to be somewhat hit and miss throughout.

also if the item drops from both chests and mobs in the same area, I'm guessing theirs no need to specify this and instead one can just list the area in which it drops.

Any light you can shed on this would be appreicated as I would like to go through these articles and put in place some kind of uniformity o the formatting so that all of them read in the same manner, making that part of the wiki more cohesive. -- Salome 15:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this covered in Guild_Wars_Wiki:Formatting/Weapons ?? --Lemming 16:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL, i did not know that existed and apparently alot other peeps dont either due to the varied formatting of the weapon section. I'll read through it and go through the weapons and make them conform with that standard. Thanks for the link. -- Salome 16:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh no problem :) there is a slightly different version for unique weapons too. --Lemming 16:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh after having a wee read, just to let you know that Trivia seems to be a category growing more and more in normal weapon articles, so maybe it would be an idea to include it within the template you linked for me as an optional extra. -- Salome 17:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Userpage History Deletion Request

It's nothing major, but it'd be nice to keep history cleaner. This is the link. I wasn't too sure how the delete tag would work with that. Thanks. ~ | Pae - Talk | 23:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The delete tag won't work. Also, unless it's a copyright violation or an extremely serious breach of unacceptable content, I don't think setting a precedent of users requesting revision deletion would be a good idea. -- ab.er.rant 00:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Aye, it doesn't really need to be deleted, and it would be a lot of work if everyone started wanting revisions being deleted out of the history. --Lemming 01:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism Userbox

It's six now. MiraLantis 00:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Omg. I can read dates, I swear. That was two months ago... >.< MiraLantis 00:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol I did wonder which the sixth was :) --Lemming 00:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Now I feel bad for mentioning it. Maybe I should make a vandal edit just so that I don't feel like an idiot. J/K :P MiraLantis 00:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

lol :D poke | talk 00:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

*Waves ban stick menacingly* --Lemming 00:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

What! You're proud of how many times you've been vandal'd. Wouldn't you be happy with my actions? :P MiraLantis 00:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

What can I say, I like contradictions :P --Lemming 00:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Admin Tools

Hello Lemming, I was just wondering if you could give me a full list of the admin tools. I am becoming a little more interested in exactly what being an admin entales. Thanks So Much --Shadowphoenix 01:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Guild_Wars_Wiki:Sysop_guide is fairly useful. --Lemming 01:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh thank you, I was not aware that, that page was there :o) --Shadowphoenix 01:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It is in my handy link table :) --Lemming 01:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Ok, I am not going to do an RfA anytime soon but I still wanted to ask; do you think I would make a good sysop? (I will not get mad no matter what your answer is, promise :o) ) --Shadowphoenix 01:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It is hard to say really, the only thing that springs to mind lately is that during the discussion on the community portal recently whilst you said you weren't taking certain comments personally that wasn't the impression you were giving, so perhaps reflect on discussions in a more balanced/calm way? --Lemming 01:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok I understand where you are coming from, as you may have noticed I backed away from that conversation a little; it was making me a little heated lol. I will make sure to keep that in mind, I usually am pretty good at keeping everything calm but sometimes I get a little grrr lol. We all have those days though right :o) --Shadowphoenix 01:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes indeed, that is when you type out a massive rant that you never hit save page on ;) --Lemming 01:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Something tells me you do that alot >.> <.< XD --Shadowphoenix 01:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

My tabs

So, I've been envying your slim and trim userpage tabs. How in the world did you do it? I have the same line height, and everything looks identical. I am guessing it's a weird spacing issue (because MediaWiki handles line breaks in crazy ways), but I'm not sure. Do you remember what you did? XD -- Emily Diehl (talk) 01:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the more tabs I added the smaller they got, I am not entirely sure which bit of the code makes it do that though. --Lemming 02:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Came across this conversation and decided to do a test; preview only; in my sandbox and I can confirm that it does indeed depend on the number of tabs. I used your Tabs Header as a start Emily and it seems that it changes size every two tabs. For example 8/9 tabs is a small height, 6/7 is a bit bigger, 4/5 a bit bigger, and it continues in this fashion. --Kakarot 14:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do I always think of something to add immediately after I click save =S Anyway the size of the tab has to have something to do with either Tabs Bottom or Tabs Top and I think that it would have something to do with the 100% width on TabsTop. Although I can't be sure it seems to be the only bit of code that could cause this type of affect based on my experience with percentage widths over pixel ones. --Kakarot 14:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Aware

I am aware it is not a talk page, I was commenting on the NPA violation, nothing more. --Shadowphoenix 21:06, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

As discussed in the admin board talk page and stated at the top of the page, "Additional comments to a raised issue should only be made if and only if they specifically point out further evidence or arguments either for or against an issue. Do not post general comments here and do not argue about the issue here. Please take them to more appropriate talk pages." I am simply trying to keep the board clean. --Lemming 21:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

"or arguments either for or against an issue" like you said. I was against blocking him. --Shadowphoenix 21:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't an argument, it was stating an opinion. A thin line I guess but if every user starts chiming in, I think they should be banned, I don't think they should, etc on the noticeboard it again uses it's value as an alert to the admins of help needed. --Lemming 21:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Swearing

Hiya, Lemming :). I wanted to let you know that I am not trying to take swearing out of GWW, that is something that I do not really care about. Please re-read what has been added to my proposal. I do not want to ban swearing, just sexual content (and things that have to do offensivness with race, religon and such). :o) --Shadowphoenix 21:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Please read the whole discussion at Guild_Wars_Wiki_talk:No_profanity/Talk_Archive1 and you will understand why I drew comparisons. --Lemming 21:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for adminship/Defiant Elements

I think you should elaborate on your vote. In fact, I strongly urge that you do so. ;) Banjo 22:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought you loved me!  :'( Lemming65 22:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Future voting

Thanks for the comments on my RfA! It's nice to know you may support me in the future when I become more experienced! Thanks for the vote! I hope to live to your expectations and others soon! --People of Antioch talk 17:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem, keep up the good work PoA --Lemming 13:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

recent vandal

now you could add this:

This user page's user boxes box has been vandalised 1 times.

:P —ZerphaThe Improver 20:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

lol --Lemming 20:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Or this might be better?

This user's vandal user box has been vandalised 1 times.

--Kakarot 14:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

What happens when the vandal user boxes vandal user box gets vandalised? --Lemming 14:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Uhhh well, the thing about that is ... uhhh I think it would be best if you looked that way *points in opposite direction* *runs* --Kakarot 15:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Guild Cape Image File

I was wondering if you could clarify something for me. I'm in a guild Spirit Of The Dragon, we're in the process of updated our page and included a cape image. Unfortunately we goofed on the image - it was taken in an area with tinted lighting which caused the cape's color to be significantly different. We got a new image and uploaded it, but it has not appeared yet. While checking this morning, I noticed an option to delete the image file. I'm just wondering if I've done something wrong. Should I have deleted the old file before uploading a new one? Am I just waiting on Admin approval / release of the cape image? Did the upload fail? Further advice, even if just to direct me to the appropriate person, or wiki article would be appreciated. -- Sabardeyn 13:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Upload your new image over the existing one, it may not show up immediately as the wiki takes a little while to re-cache images sometimes but after about an hour your new image should have replaced the old one. The old version does not need to be deleted though. --Lemming 13:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Just as a note, it sometimes requires you to clear your local cache after said hour by pressing Ctrl+F5. — Galil 13:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmm... Then something must have been done wrong. It's been about 4 hrs and I just reloaded via Ctrl+F5 (using FF). Still seeing the wrong image. -- Sabardeyn 14:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Which image do you mean, this one Image:Guild Spirit Of The Dragon cape.jpg? If so no new version has been uploaded since the original upload about 15 hours ago. --Lemming 14:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well now there is... :p --Lemming 14:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. The corrected cape image has appeared. -- Sabardeyn 15:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

here

how is this one, I changed no font size and it is readable --Shadowphoenix 18:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It's best to keep a discussion on one page - watchlists were invented for a reason ;) -- Brains12 \ Talk 18:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks better :) --Lemming 18:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

awww, are u saying my talk page is on ur watchlist :D! I am so excited lol --Shadowphoenix 19:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

*mumbles* yes i have your page on my watchlist. --Lemming 19:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• 2,825 pages watched not counting talk pages - nothing to feel excited about :P -- Brains12 \ Talk 19:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I have 190, I had more but took a bunch off :P --Shadowphoenix 19:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I only have 40 >.> Calor 19:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)