User talk:Tanetris/Archive 2

User:Eloc Jgc

Nice catch on that, didn't even notice the switched letters. --Kakarot 03:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for ruining the "secret" emote.

Now everyone will be spamming it. Written down in history for biggest loud-mouth kid ftl. ;) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Uchiha Lena (talk).

The wiki is about documenting stuff. It's purpose is to remove secrets. Complaining about it is as complaining about there being letters in text. Backsword 08:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Let me start off by saying welcome to the wiki. I see that you are not new here, but here's something you may have missed: we're here to document the game. Attempting to lord it over the rest of the wiki population that you have "secret" knowledge that they don't is specifically counter to this goal. If you wish to give hints toward something that is not generally known without giving it away outright, you are free to do that on any number of guild wars forums or on the wiki's talk pages, but it doesn't really belong on an article, and you shouldn't be surprised when someone who's trying to help document the game rains on your parade.

From your edit summary: "when emote is announced, remember my name as one of the few people knew how to do it" is entirely the wrong attitude to bring to the wiki. You shouldn't be coming to the wiki for personal "glory" at all, but if that's what you're after, the only way you're going to get it is with extraordinary contributions: getting the perfect screenshot of a hard to get to monster or super-rare item, taking on a massive project that benefits the wiki but is too large or tedious for most people, or actually adding information other people don't know, not saying you could but you're not going to.

As to the "secret" itself, it isn't one. That's why I keep putting quotes around it. /sit followed by /stand has been used before, and I can assure you, will be used again. Anyone who knows this would try it with the new form and discover the "secret". If you want anyone to be impressed by your knowledge, you are simply going to have to try harder.

When you post on a talk page, please sign by using four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comment. This posts your username and the date and time, to make it easier for other users to follow conversations. Thank you. - Tanetris 19:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Grinch

Kind of a dumb thing to ban him over. Yeah, you *said* you'd ban him if he recreated that page, so you had to ban him to save face, but I'd have thought that for something as not-offensive as that, you (the general you) would leave him alone. Now he's just going to stalk the wiki on proxies and socks and vandalize all sorts of things. While I think the ban is deserved by his actions after the ban, I don't think he did anything to be banned in the first place, and I know I'm not the only one.

We have a sort of J.Kougar-like situation here - bans mean nothing to Grinch because he has access to plenty of proxies - but things are worse here: he doesn't care what happens to his image or to the wiki because he feels there's nothing he can do to redeem himself in the eyes of the sysops. While Kougar would rant for a while until he got an answer he considered satisfactory for why he was banned and then go and serve the entire length of his ban, Grinch is quite liable to simply troll the wiki on various IPs until he gets bored of it (read: days or weeks from now), unless he feels things are "made right", so to speak.

I'm not saying he hasn't earned a month's ban by this point, but perhaps an apology for the original ban would be helpful right about now.

-- Armond Warblade 02:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I will simply note that the version of the page that I deleted and banned him for was not the innocuous version that's been up since mid-May, but an edit he made a few minutes before the deletion and ban. I knew when deleting it that general users would not even be able to see that he'd made an edit and might assume I was being unfair, but frankly I was more concerned with killing it before massive wikidrama started than with public opinion about me. If you did see the version that I deleted and banned him for and still believe it was non-offensive, we'll have to agree to disagree. - Tanetris 12:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

As he stated on the admin noticeboard before Pling deleted the message, the message is viewable on GuildWiki. As he also stated on the admin noticeboard, it certainly wasn't sexual, nor do I honestly see how it could be offensive unless the reader has had a lover that died of spinal whatsit in the past. -- Armond Warblade 14:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

And you really believe GWW will let it go and not mention it or any other edits by Mgrinshpon? Who are you, and where's the real Armond? -- Brains12 \ talk 15:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

If people saw it and wanted to bitch about it, that's their own damn problem. All they have to do is hit the "unwatch" button on his user page, or the template page. -- Armond Warblade 16:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Grinsh has already shown that he does not edit in good faith, but rather with the intention of causing drama for his own amusement. For that reason alone he should have already been blocked long ago, and I have exactly zero sympathy for him. You say "he'll just stalk the wiki now", but he does that anyways, and saying that he shouldn't be banned because of what he might do is effectively him blackmailing us. No thanks. If that means reverting some vandalism, so be it. That's all I have to say on the matter. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say he shouldn't be banned - in fact, I specifically said I think he's earned it - I just said I think the original reason for the ban was invalid and therefore deserves an apology. -- Armond Warblade 17:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't, the edit was still intended to cause drama (with which you're helping), regardless of whether it was sexual content or not. Nor do I feel like debating the specific text on a ban for a user who obviously deserved it (and probably deserved more). (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 17:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a difference between drama that's harmful to the wiki and an attempt to, you know, stop vandalism, which happens to be interpreted as drama. Also, go ask Auron about the time I banned people for minor edit. -- Armond Warblade 17:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Armond, trust your bureaucrats and sysops. Once they have proven themselves capable, allow them to do as they wish; do not doubt that they act for anything other than the good of the wiki, no matter their actions.

Oh, and if you're also willing to 'prove a point' with disruption, then yeah, you do get banned. Regardless of the original ban, his actions, as you said, are certainly ban-worthy; why the need for an apology?

As I said, what have you done with the real Armond? -- Brains12 \ talk 17:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm having trouble with the conditional of your first paragraph, I think. And I'm still looking for a reason as to why recreating the breaking news page as he did was a banable offense. -- Armond Warblade 18:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The story was not sexual in nature, but it was still a "shock" story, which belong on /b/, not GWW. As I said, if you don't find it offensive, you're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect me to agree with it. - Tanetris 18:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

There's shock value in spinal meningitis? My evening news is more shocking than that, what with all the stories of people suicide-bombing religious centers or tomatoes picking up diseases that kill people and what not. -- Armond Warblade 19:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Most people don't log on a Guild Wars wiki to read about the evening news. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 19:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Suicide bombings and jihads and what have you are, sadly, expected and accepted on world news. The same does not apply for a small-scale wiki. Calor 19:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

So if they don't want to read it, they don't click "read more". Pretty simple, really. -- Armond Warblade 19:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Or, Grinsh could just not post it here in the first place. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 19:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This is where we go into your ideal gww where talk pages are only used for content and any other discussion is a banable offense, isn't it? (Oh, hey, look at this discussion, which isn't topical but still pretty critical to the wiki.) -- Armond Warblade 20:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussions of wiki operation are topical to the wiki, by definition. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 20:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You defined the wiki as a place to document the game. Wiki operation has about nothing to do with the game, except for technical issues that actually affect /help (which no one really uses, do they?). -- Armond Warblade 00:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Wiki operation has to do with documenting the game, even though it's not about the game itself. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

June Election

As I said I would, I nominated you for this month's election. You can find your nomination here. Calor 18:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

User:JonTheMon

This guy was reverting. :P A mistake I could have made too, though. --Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 21:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, got a bit trigger-happy. I noticed just after I blocked, but Brains beat me to the unblock. - Tanetris 21:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

e drain

i come back a few days later to see how people responded to my and my friends paraphrased comment and i see nothing there. checking the history, i saw you'd removed it. why'd you remove mine and grinch's comment from it? it was pretty damn relevant to the discussion, educates people, etc. there's no reason to remove it. none whatsoever. Bubble Connections 19:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Grinch is currently blocked. If we let him edit as he pleases during a block, either as sockpuppets or via another user, that makes the block pretty meaningless, so a recent Arbcomm decision was to revert "any edits made by sockpuppets of User:Mgrinshpon, or by other users in response to such edits" if he's blocked at the time. He can comment all he likes when his block is over. In the meantime, don't try to post for him. - Tanetris 19:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Question

I figured this is a good place to ask this as any and perhaps you can point me toward the right direction if necessary. Several of pages listing skills (for instance, List of Skills related to fire damage and List of snare skills) have different formats and the organizational freak inside me just want to come up with a consistent format for all of those skills. I'd hate to go to all the trouble of doing so only to have the community reverting my work. So is there a way to make a proposal for the community to reach a consensus? I don't mind doing the work as long I know the community is behind it. Or I have to accept the haphazard nature of the wiki? Anyway thanks for any help or suggestions you may have. – Barinthus 21:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

My best suggestion would be to draft up a guideline on a subpage of Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting (for example, Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting/Skill lists) and link it on GWW:RFC for other opinions. While I'm not sure one single format will necessarily work for all different uses for lists, at least standardizing what to use where might help. I think in general {{Skill table}} is preferred where possible, but that does rely on categories for DPL, and my gut feeling (with no proof to back it up whatsoever) is that we'd wind up with some pretty extreme category clutter if we tried. - Tanetris 23:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

You will also want to look at how each of the different pages are used, for example, Fire Damage is an article dealing not so much with specific skills as a specific damage type, and all the damage type pages are the same, where List of snare skills is a page dealing with a particular type of skill, and I believe all of those pages are the same. Trying to make those two types of pages look the same is going to be very difficult as they each have specific needs to accomplish their goal.-- Wynthyst 23:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a good point and I'll have to take into the purpose of each article into consideration. Perhaps there's no way to develop some kind of "universal format" for those listings but surely we can agree upon some "universal principles" such as alphabeting skills by professions then within each profession and marking each skill as an elite if it is? My desire is to encourage unified approach to formatting such articles for better readability but if it's not possible or cause clutter, of course I'll bow to the wisdom of the community. There's always a possibility I'll just never get around to it, although!  :-p – Barinthus 00:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand, I'm an organization freak too, I have no problem with coming up with a consistent format, I have gone to great lengths to bring consistency to many of my projects as well, I just wanted to point out that the two examples you used were like comparing apples to oranges :D-- Wynthyst 00:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for undoing what that vandalizer did to my page =] Suicidal Romance X 05:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations!

--Silverleaf 17:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

grats ^^ - Y0_ich_halt 17:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

May not have been the outcome I had hoped for, but congrats anyway :D You will make an exceptional bcrat, I am sure of it =) --Shadowphoenix 00:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations. May the decisions you make be seen as wise and virtuous. Good luck, and once again congrats! --People of Antioch 02:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm words, everyone. I'll try not to disappoint! - Tanetris 03:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Congrats :D -- Indochine talk 13:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Now.. when can I expect payback for those "special favours" I performed? -- Brains12 \ talk 15:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Congo-Rats!! @:) --Lemming 16:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Commenting from the problem with igor on the notice board

and THAT, is one of the reasons why i strive to be an admin (im commenting here because the noticeboard is a noticeboard, not a talk page.)--Raph Talky 17:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

And still you felt the need to comment on the noticeboard in the first place? - anja 17:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

er.....which comment...the uhm what? statement was trying to figure out what lord of all tyria was saying (being sarcastic or not).......--Raph Talky 00:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations. Honestly, I was surprised by the overwhelming support I received. -- Wyn 07:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Do you have a screenshot to show it's not vandalism? I had one who showed otherwise, but I deleted it after editing that part. Backsword 13:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

How exactly is that vandalism? 1. We do generally use "player name," rather than "character name" with bad linking (and a location that wouldn't exist anyway); 2. We go for the "Intermediate dialogue 2" rather than "Meeting Mhenlo & co". Correcting them is not vandalism regardless of how you look at it, and I don't see how a screenshot would disprove such. -- Brains12 \ talk 15:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hey, thanks for fixing the vandalism on my page. --Wolf 21:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

Happy birthday : ) ~Enar. hello. 08:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

i second that. - Y0_ich_halt 08:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

i concur with this suggestion--Sum Mesmer Guy contribs 08:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Tane! -- Wyn 09:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Tris! ;) -- ab.er.rant 11:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on another successful orbit around the nearest star. --JonTheMon 12:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

--Silverleaf 12:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Tane! Calor 16:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy birthday! - anja 16:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Tane poke | talk 16:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Tane! --Shadowphoenix 16:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday T! --Lemming 17:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Tanetris!

--tero 02:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone. Had a lovely birthday, with many thanks to my lovely guildies. - Tanetris 04:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome <3. -- Brains12 \ talk 15:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I was en-route to Seattle yesterday (still not there now), but HAPPY BIRHDAY! =D --Wolf 22:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

i thought i would've left a greeting already, but i apparently forgot to do that :P —ZerphaThe Improver 14:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

. -- NUKLEAR IIV 16:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

O.O - Now how did I miss so many birthdays? Happy (belated) Birthday Tanetris :) --Kakarot 22:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Chess Tournament

See who you are playing against. — ク Eloc 貢 03:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

wow lol didn't see that one comming :D --Cursed Angel 21:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you not seeing it coming was kinda the point. ;) Good game, though. - Tanetris 22:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It was a really quick game in terms of wiki chess. lol — ク Eloc 貢 02:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess I don't need to tell you about the second round considering you noticed right away :P — ク Eloc 貢 02:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Linux Question

Whenever I start GW I get the loading window then music....ealier today I got the window and used that tab-thing at the bottom; when I came back I couldn't get GW up. I have tried everything too =\. -- WoB 04:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

this should help :). Of coarse this only applies to using the standalone wine, but GW seems to jump from platinum to bronze very often. As seen here. Dominator Matrix 04:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Sort of helped, I'm more of a visual learner though. Think you can type up something on my talkpage? -- WoB 05:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Afraid not :/ I 1) I don't have Linux installed anymore and 2) its been a long while since I have. Sorry. Dominator Matrix 05:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

O.O darn. Do you at least remember a button to recall all your window positions? -- WoB 05:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest asking on either Talk:Guild Wars on Wine (make a new section. Adding new stuff to months-old sections is too easy to miss), or trying Bob (he seems to be our local expert). I'm quite the newbie at Linux, so I won't be much help at all troubleshooting. In fact my Linux partition is currently nonfunctional due to some driver stuff that I've been too lazy to try to fix. - Tanetris 07:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

lol thanks, I just got everything working Nvidia GeForce 8600 was a pain though. -- WoB 17:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Good luck and have fun ^^

User:Eloc Jcg/Chess Tournament/Why Are We Fighting vs Tanetris — Why 07:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Add the moon!

How about adding something like the new moon to the main page?

— Seru Talk 02:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/editcopy is the place for main page design discussions. I just fix up typos and such, the actual design decisions are up to community consensus. But you've noticed that and are edit-conflicting me to retract your comment so... Have a lovely day. Though on a note of my personal opinion, the pirate flag thing for the PvP section is kinda awesome. - Tanetris 03:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

meh!

I feel stupid! :( poke | talk 12:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Question regarding Misc Bugs

Hey there.

You recently archived a whole swath of the misc bugs bage to Resolved Archive - unfortunately you also pushed out a lot of issues that are not marked as resolved/sorted (with either or /) - but rather reported, that still await answering or resolution. While I commend your effort to keep the Misc Bugs page under control, my fear is you've been a bit too enthusiastic. Clan Yumemiru 09:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I was (purposely) zealous in archiving bugs. The thing was huge, with sections dating back to mid-2007. Grey checks mean that Anet's seen it and is working on it, so unless there was some sort of follow-up (like the Lively Was Naomi thing at the top), my thinking was that the report has already served its purpose on that page. Leaving it there is not going to somehow make Anet more aware that it exists, and I don't imagine anyone at Anet is going to assume that a bug on their internal bug list fixed itself just because it's no longer on the wiki page. Better to get them off the page so the old one's that don't look like they've been dealt with are actually findable imo. Of course, if there's an old bug I archived that hasn't gotten proper attention and needs some sort of follow-up, you (or anyone else) are free to unarchive that topic or post a new one. I apologize if there was anything that did need to stay on the page, all I can say is I did my best to leave what looked like it still needed to catch Anet's attention. - Tanetris 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Call me silly, but might pushing the unanswered/reported issues to a (new) subpage "Awaiting Resolution" be an option ? That way, there's a central repository for all the debated/reported issues, the main page stays clean for new report, and there's neither confusion nor a lot of searching involved to locate such issues. Clan Yumemiru 08:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea for keeping things organized. It also sounds like a rather daunting project I'm not too eager to do. Of course if you're volunteering, I certainly have no objections. Either pick out the ones that are awaiting resolution and stick them on the new subpage, or move R4 to Awaiting Resolution and pick out the ones that aren't and stick them back on R4, I'm not really sure which would be easier. - Tanetris 22:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I would, if I was confident of my ability to manipulate the wiki - which I'm really not (having already goofed up once, and quite badly, thankfully someone wiser stepped in and corrected my gaffe) ... Clan Yumemiru 23:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

[1707, 211, 24, 14, 10]

You know what it means. If you need the articles I can check it tomorrow, just say so. Good night ;) poke | talk 23:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi

-- Brains12 \ talk 00:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

crat nomination

I've nominated you for re-election to your bureaucrat seat. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 00:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas, Tanetris!!!! poke | talk 23:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Hogmany

Happy new year matey! Have a great 2009! -- Salome 01:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy new Year :) --SilentStorm 01:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks guys, you too! I'm not even there yet, another half hour to go. Hope you guys are enjoying the future! Are there rocket-cars? - Tanetris 04:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Alas, no rocket cars. - Tanetris 05:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I promise you Tane, if we ever get rocket cars you will be the first person I tell. :) -- Salome 14:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year! ;) poke | talk 16:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

DoA, cryway - looked into it

I know the current situation in DoA. If you're a german (or very good at speaking german) - there is a chance you find a team and you can go on and earn a moderate sum of 60-100k in 4.5 hours of gaming. This requires a whole party, a lot of time, the builds + experience and a conset (-6.5k). Last two I have more then enough. The first two are the pain though. Other people like monks are able to 600/smite Shards of Orr or just farm the hell out of something and earn 50k / hour with some skill.
DoA is my real interest and I've been looking for teams and time, but I can't find any english team (Alliance is not an option - they're faction farmers, TA-ers or just have not enough experience). Do you have a solution for it? I was planning on rewriting a guide about DoA (see my page) to increase international PuG but that'll take some time. -- Karasu (talk) 18:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

:)

Thanks Tane, you are one of the contributors who's opinions I regard the most on this wiki and the fact that I have been able to show you the user I can be really does mean alot to me. So thank you kindly for your support. :) -- Salome 17:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Guild Wars Wiki:Elections/2009-02 bureaucrat election/Tanetris. -- Brains12 \ talk 17:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations...

Special:Log/rights, and enjoy your term. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Gratz man. — Jon Lupen 04:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Gratz, good luck! --Burning Freebies 13:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Signature.

Heylo Tanetris, first of all congrats on your Bureaucrat status. It seems your not only all seeing but also all knowing. There for I have a question. Is my signature allowed? -- Cobra 20:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

In reference to this ~ Kurd 20:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Tanetris Kumori...

is you? --Silverleaf Don't assume, Know! 10:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yup ;-). --Silverleaf Don't assume, Know! 10:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)