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So Abaddon, god of Demons and Destruction, is actually Destruction, god of Demons and Destruction? lol Thats just odd.

Well He's God of Water and Knowlage but I guess because he was stript of his powers you could say he is a good of Demons and Destruction. He can't be that smart if he got killed by a bunch of adventurers :P . Would have been nice to see some small cinematics about Abaddon though. --Andyana 15:39, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

YOU GOT SERVED!--Bazooka56

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[edit] Stats?

Does Abaddon havae any stats like Health? can we know this or does he have energy that sort of thing?

I did some testing on Abaddon to get his health and armor rating. His armor seems to be the same against all types of damage (I tested holy, fire, cold, earth, lightning, slashing, piercing and raw physical damage) and is 110 in nm (42.1 % damage from a sniper-headshot) and 116 in hm (37.9 %), if I made no major mistakes - the differences between the numbers are only minor ones (1 armor rating) at low damage. His health is a bit more difficult to determine. I used screenshots of his healthbar (which was scaled to nearly the width of my screen) before and after dealing 1000 damage to him to calculate the amount of health he has. It seems to be about 12250 in nm (1000 damage were either about 8.246597278 % or about 8.166533227 % of his healthbar with the difference beeing just one pixel), and about 13000 in hm (7.772435897 % and 7.692307692 %, again just one pixel difference). The health he loses with beeing chained seems to be 1000 in both cases (8.166533227 % of his health in nm, 7.612179487/7.692307692 % in hm). Oh and yeah, those numbers are a bit to exact rounded for the accuracy of the method. Should any of these stats be included into the page? Bernado 07:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Gods of Guild Wars Index

I'm new here but shouldn't the Gods of Guild Wars Index navi thing be attached to the bottom of this page? Archon Xi 03:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should the lore from Guild Wars Taiwan be included?

The circumstances of his casting out was described in the Guild Wars Taiwan website. It's not on the US GW website nor in the game. GuildWiki currently covers it, but GWW isn't GuildWiki. So what do people think about covering it or not? If it is only on the Guild Wars Taiwan website and nowhere else, should it still be considered cannon? -User:PanSola (talk to the File:Follower of Lyssa.png) 11:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it should. It's still from an official source, after all. --Santax (talk · contribs) 11:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Siblings

The dialogue in War_Preparations_(Recruit_Training) mentions that Abaddon was imprisoned by his siblings. So does this mean the Gods are all family? Yukiko Image:User_Yukiko_Sig.png 02:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think they mean it in a literal way, but as more of a companion kinda thing. Image:User-brains12-scale-sig.png brains12 18:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About banishing of Abaddon.

I might be good idea to add the reason why Abaddon was banished. I'm personally very interested to know :) (Jope12 15:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC))

Aside from the whole "attacking his brethren with his Margonites" thing, wasn't he the one who gave magic freely to humans (this later had to be dealt with with the whole Bloodstone fiasco)? Image:user eldin sig.jpg Eldin 23:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pink?

Is this article completely pink because of all the spoilers? Even the infoboxes are pink....Dancing Gnome 15:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The NPC infobox is that colour all the time. The spoiler warning is red because it's a warning message. The God nav is the same colour as the infobox because the same colours are used for related materials. I don't know why the middle text is red though. - BeX iawtc 01:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Abaddon

As you can see from some gw.dat searching on GWGuru's forums, there is an image (it's a mural in a dungeon somewhere I think) of what people believe may be Abaddon before his banishment. I don't think wikipages are to host rumors/speculation, so I won't mention it on Abaddon's article. Still, perhaps it is worthy of note? If I recall, we DO have an infobox for speculatory/rumored content to use in articles, after all. Image:user eldin sig.jpg Eldin 23:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely Abaddon, he has the same appearance in some of the concept art in the Nightfall pre-release bonus pack. -- Gordon Ecker 07:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seers of Twilight?

An anonymous editor added the following to the article:

"However, he was visited by The Seers of Twilight, who told him how to defeat the other Gods, he failed in his attempt and was banished to the Realm of Torment."

It seems dubious, and I think it should be removed if no one provides a source. -- Gordon Ecker 06:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:The Seers of Twilight. Not much but more comments. I've never heard of these, but they keep being added, so we might ask someone at Anet. - anja talk 07:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Ask Emily. — ク Eloc 貢 16:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd say it sounds like some guild trying to create their own fiction. -- ab.er.rant 09:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Same here, never heard anything about this before although it might still be worth it to check with someone from ArenaNet. --Kakarot Talk 00:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
It's been removed by Tanetris. -- Gordon Ecker 00:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Drops

lolwut? I got a water wand from him. 76.176.199.250 01:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Abbadon is still a NPC that can be killed, and as such he sometimes has random drops. All of his drop are generic, however. Secksy 19:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
@ 76.176.199.250
  1. We don't list common drops, such as water wands or Elonian Daggers, otherwise all monster pages would be cluttered with garbage.
  2. Please follow the GWW:1RR.
To anyone that can, please undo the recent edit. Thank you. --Ezekial Riddle 19:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Still funny when he used Words of Madness, then dropped a Spatha. "Madness? THIS IS SPATHA!!!!" Paddymew 10:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

80.39.57.83 23:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Dropped a normal ele tome for me.

Dropped an ele tome for me too; maybe he's an ele not a paragon? 92.0.104.20 00:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hands?

Do you think that the picture of Abaddon should show his hands?--Unendingfear 00:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that it would seem stupid if it didn't... He looks more like some kind of octopus or Ice Beast than himself in the mish... Paddymew 16:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I think we should include both a head shot and an image with the hands such as Image:Abaddon's Gate mission.jpg somewhere in the article. I'd prefer to use a render for the infobox. -- Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png Gordon Ecker (talk) 21:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Abbadon's Mouth?

What about the Mission in Prophecies that is named after him? (It's either ANet having ideas or it's a unknown link to Abbadon's relm or something (well at least that is what I think)) Teranda Whisperwind 17:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The name was probably a "hint" at who the evil plotter was who was causing all the mayhem. And there is a portal (or something) to Abaddon's Realm. It's called the Door of Komalie. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 19:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
the Door of Komalie leads towards The Foundry of Failed Creations. Fox007 User:Fox007 19:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
And the Foundry is in the Realm of Torment - Abaddon's Realm (stating if you were trying to state otherwise). -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 19:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't stating otherwise^^ Fox007 User:Fox007 20:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "In Demonology"

Whose? I assume Dante's work, as I've not seen the name in D&D, Warcraft, or Fire Emblem, but the article could use a bit more specifics. -- Armond WarbladeImage:User Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 21:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Ancient Jewish is my guess... I've only encountered the name of Abaddon in two places, and that's in Psalm 88, and the prophecy of Revelation. In the former, Abaddon is an embodiment of the 'pit' that the Psalmist often refers to 'being cast into' (either himself or his enemies), and in the latter, "Abaddon" is the name of the Lord of the Abyss. I do know that when it comes to 'heirarchies' of angels and demons, the Talmud and other old Jewish writings have a bit to say... You might want to start with wikipedia's article on Archangels, and start following links to their sources.... -batmanhatguy

[edit] 'Abaddon is technically not a boss from a game mechanics perspective.'

How so? Multi-part bosses that need to have their parts shut down are in many, many games. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:78.146.226.18 (talk).

1)Please sign using ~~~~. 2)A boss has an aura, you can use SoC on it, it gives you 2% Morale Boost, and Nightfall bosses have halved skill costs. Does Abaddon have any of that? Titani Uth Ertan 19:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Order of Whispers as worshippers of Abaddon

I think it makes sense that the Order of Whispers, which is considered a benevolent secret society, may have evolved from worshippers of Abaddon, the god of secrets, who did not become corrupted when Abaddon fell. Instead of following the god into oblivion as Margonites, they stayed true to their original understanding of Abaddon and awaited his return to the world as a good god, which they find in the Goddess of Truth, thus becoming her primary worshippers while still staying true to Abaddon's ideal secret society. This also explains why Abaddon had fallen in the first place. He was supposed to be a god of secrets, but he was explained to have been exiled because he was too liberal with giving knowledge of magic, which would have been the biggest contribution to the magic wars of ancient lore. The ancestors of the Order of Whispers were probably worshippers of Abaddon who saw his exile as a necessary punishment for his negligence to his responsibilities. --24.27.20.20 21:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe it makes more sense that the Order of Whispers was formed long after the time of the Margonite; mainly because you don't see the Order at a large scale, like an organization as such should grow with time, and they had a lot of time. Another reason is that Abaddon corrupted the soul of his human Margonites to make them demonic; and I don't think he would have spared any humans.
The Order didn't know <spoiler></spoiler> would be the Goddess of Truth at the time, and so they couldn't have followed and aided her in such a manner (also, they're not her worshippers). If the name is what disturbs you, then think of this: the Order of Whispers are dedicated to attaining all human knowledge and recording it; from the screams of the noble to the whispers of the gossip, collecting each piece of information they can find. That's how I believe they made their name.
Abaddon has been exiled because he corrupted human souls, gave them incredible magics and waged war. The humans in discussion are the demonic Margonites, and as explained above, there cannot have been human Margonites left. Nice theorycrafting, but I don't think that's the case. Titani Uth Ertan 04:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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