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Favorite Color?[edit]

Love the Monty Python refference. xD --Curin Derwin 00:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Bump. How is this a Monty Python reference? Is not like monty python asked this question for the first time in the history. He doesn't answer blue or yellow. No one is asking "Why?" in the movie. There is absolutely no other clue that this could be a Monty Python reference.--SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 12:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Looks good to me, What else could it refer to. T1Cybernetic User T1Cybernetic Glob of Ectoplasm.png 12:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Does it have to be a reference to something? IMO is just a simple question to give some personality to the NPC.--SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 12:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Monty Python: "What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color?" Vael: "Who are you? What is it you do? What is your favorite color?" Same wording, same tone, utter lack of context if you haven't seen the movie (as Vael himself points out). By this point in the game's history, I think it's safe to say that the developers assume you have seen the movie. --Irgendwer 13:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Like him[edit]

He's awesome ^_^. dom · (talk) 19:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep, move over Koss, we got a new king of cool Sadie2k 02:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
not hard considering koss was a chump in the first place... and we do have a king of cool. Vekk. -TehBuG-
Vael is way more awesome than Vekk. He's undercover, see? --dom · (talk) 13:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Spawning requirements[edit]

Does anyone know the pre-requisites for getting him to spawn in the middle of Grothmar Wardowns and offer Be Very, Very Quiet? -- Gordon Ecker 04:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

linsey said that you had to do all quests from the Ebon vanguard and gwen(irc) and after that he woud spawn randomly to help you ~ KurdUser Kurd sig.png 13:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
You just have to complete the Vanguard primary quest line - User Linsey Murdock sig.jpgLinsey talk 00:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I've completed the primary quests, and he spawns in Gothmar, but doesn't give the quests.. something I missed? Me55enger 15:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Correction, I was looking at the wrong spawn location.. re-zoned and Vael turned up across the river.. Might update wiki to reflect this. Me55enger 15:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

There must still be a real bug here: I completed the primary vanguard quests, then went for the quests from captain. during that, he spawned in the wardowns, i could talk to him, but no quests were given. now i finished all the quests from the captain and he wont spawn again in the wardowns. he now only spawns in the uplands and the valley to help me fighting, but i can't talk to him, nor can i get anymore quests. --Ineluki "Coward!".jpg 12:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

i dont get how to find him in sacnoth valley. it says he spawns random but i cant find him at all. or do i need to have an special requirement to get the second quest from him? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).
Which quest? Be Very, Very Quiet... is obtained from Vael in Grothmar Wardowns after completing Assault on the Stronghold and Single Ugly Grawl Seeks Same for Mindless Destruction in Ascalon is obtained from Vael in Sacnoth Valley after completing Forbidden Fruit. The other two quests, Forbidden Fruit and Plan A, are obtained from Captain Langmar in Grothmar Wardowns. -- Gordon Ecker 21:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I've found he always spawns, if solo in Dalada Uplands :) Tong2 15:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I have a clue for spawning requirements. If you are having trouble getting Vael to show and bring another player that has the "Plan A" quest active, the other player sees this message in their quest log for "Plan A": "Vael is not ready to undertake this covert mission. He is busy following a suspicious looking Charr. Help your party member discover what that Charr is up to, and then Vael will be ready to raid the Charr camp for plans." -- Atrina 00:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Solved... I knew I had already heard Vael speak long ago, but never hunted him down afterwards. He was where the picture for the "Be Very, Very Quiet..." quest shows him. I was looking all around the eastern Charr camp, but he was in the middle left portion of the larger forest in Grothmar Wardowns. I hope this helps others that are having difficulty finding him to get the mask. -- Atrina 00:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
For me he never spawns in the second location... I guess i never get his skill because this stupid quest... Got all ebon quests/missions nm/hm done and he shows himself only on the first spot and remains there forever... --Calixos 23:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Different experience altogether here. I'm sure I've found him at each of the red dots with other characters, but was just recently bringing up a new character and he wasn't at either of them. It wasn't until I was going to rezone and "accidentally" hit the 25 kill mark that the "Hero... I know you..." dialogue began. I ran back to the two red dots on the right but he wasn't there. On my way back to the dot on the left, picking up a bounty from a res shrine (north-west of the "Against the Charr" marker), he suddenly appeared almost right next to me and I was able to have the "first talk" with him. So maybe there's some other condition that isn't mentioned on the page, such as getting a certain number of kills or a number of Vanguard reputation points in the area...?-- 04:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

"Fists... er, blades... er, weapons of fury!" Trivia[edit]

"Fists... er, blades... er, weapons of fury!"

May refer to Bruce Lee's Movies Fists of Fury


The UFS card of the cards is called Blades of Fury--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Coridan .

Uuuuh, no dont think so ~ KurdUser Kurd sig.png 19:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the reference is Fists of Fury and then then movie Blades of Fury..DarkNecrid 17:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Rabbit hole[edit]

How is this a tease for the rabbit hole? Almost every player is going to encounter the rabbits in Drakkar Lake before they get here. It's more like following the rabbits to meet Vael is some PR for making the bunnies seem all cute and innocent again. Yukiko User Yukiko Sig.png 21:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

You might be thinking *teaser?* i recon it was a tease, cos it sure made me think twice about following bunnies for a second time :p T1Cybernetic 22:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah lol, i followed them verrrrry slowly and had all my heroes put up prots...i even sent poor vekk down the path as bait first time i saw that bunny XD NalanaUser Nalana Darkling Blue Eye2.jpgTalk 21:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

No, It got me. I ignored Norn and just ran Vanguard, so all I saw was pretty bunnies. Later in Drakkar I saw more pretty bunnies. ...the horror...the horror... 15:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Dark Aidget

Why is this comment even on Vael's page? There is no tie in given for why this applies to Vael specifically. The only connection between Vael and the rabbit seems to be that both are in Grothmar Wardowns. I am removing the rabbit reference. 42 - talk 06:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Captain Osric similarities[edit]

I think this guy may well be Osric from Prophicies...just so many similarities. A. This goes along with the theme of tying up loose ends with Prophicies (he disapears after yaks bend, right after Rurik's death), B. He has a quote saying he was the one telling the King that Rurik died, coinsiding with his disapearance. 3. He knows alot about you (though this might be because he has been on 3 continents) and 4. He has the same armor, with a V on it, he wore in Prophicies.--Warior kronos 15:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Similar character skins don't count. -AyaStowar
It's the standard bearded vanguard model. Used by plenty of characters. Backsword 07:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Few years have passed between prophecies and eye of the north, it is a nice theory. I don't think it should be noted as trivia for vael or osric, but i like it. lussh 08:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


no quests in my log and this guy falls outa my ass!?--Rella 04:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

ya same thing happened to me. I was doing Fire And Pain... he kept agrooing the boss because we wiped, and he kept dieing and ressing. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).
Read the article and you'll know what he's for. -- User Sig.png 02:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

What armor is this, Vanguard?[edit]

Topic. =] I have to know, for my sin. Taka Ragranok 04:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not available to players ~ KurdUser Kurd sig.png 09:58, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


Nothing mentioned about the "V" on his chest?... Not even a Superman Reference?! Blasphomy. -- StimpsonJKat 03:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

It's probably not a reference, many of the Ebon Vanguard NPCs have the same model. -- User Gordon Ecker sig.png Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
V for Vendetta? No. V for Vanguard! -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 03:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
The Ascalon Vanguard also use the model. There's also a similar model with a different face. -- User Gordon Ecker sig.png Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

"I'm a gentleman spy..."[edit]

Reminded me of... THIS: [1] (The spy from Team Fortress 2). Any thoughts? Paddymew 16:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


Anyone else notice he uses the same model as Captain Osric, and knows a lot about your character? Could it be that he is Osric in disguise?Dakiller 22:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree I think he is Osric too, just look at his dialog he was there when Rurik died, he disappeared, he says Vael isn't his real name, there's too much supporting it. - Giant Nuker 23:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Just realized he looks the same as Sgt. Weststar as well. 12:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


What, no mention of the rabbit in pre? Thought this was well-known? Tong2 22:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


Vael Victus Pancakes. 19:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


somebody!!!! help me find this guy!!!!!! ive been trying to get my mo zing mask for the past 2 days but i cant find this guy anywhere!! he wont spawn in sanctanoth valley!! he wont spawn in grothmar or dadala he wont spawn anywhere!!!!!!! 22:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

turn off caps lock first please. Reaper of Scythes** User Reaper of Scythes Juggernaut1.png 22:06, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
happy? 22:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I think i've completed all vael's quests. but when i go talk to him in middle of Sacnoth Valley, he doesnt give me option to craft the mask nor gives me any quests.

Pls help - ANDY

Whispers Agent???[edit]

I've always thought he might be an agent for the Order of Whispers. From the the GW2 lore, we know that the Order has spread to all three continents and that they were the only group aside from the dwarves to know about the elder dragons, and the way he's all secretive definitely tracks with the way the Master of Whispers acted during the Nightfall storyline. Maybe the Order already has agents outside Elona by this point... --Jyotir Managatim 18:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

See Bahltek[edit]

Why? Are there ties between these two? DemonicFahrirDesecrate Enchantments.jpg 13:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Huge shadowstep[edit]

So i was running a tour of eotn, when my runnee went up to talk to Vael, since he never did that before. I was running happily until Vael suddenly appeared in front of me. I was about at the other end of Gothmar Wardowns, near the portal to Dalada uplands. Does he ALWAYS shadowstep to the party leader even though he's out of earshot? DemonicFahrirDesecrate Enchantments.jpg 13:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


Thats No Plague Creature thats My wife-- 06:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)Ickoization

Sacnoth Valley locations[edit]

anywhere? even hints or vague directions? He has the last Ebon Vanguard skill I need yet finding him is like trying to find a leprechaun. Impossible. Previously Unsigned 21:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Forgot to post this update. He was in the starting location of Single_Ugly_Grawl_Seeks_Same_for_Mindless_Destruction_in_Ascalon BUT this was before I even took the quest - he had moved there himself like he was expecting me to take it first. Previously Unsigned 10:05, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Vael name[edit]

He's name can be used by the books of eragon, where Vrael was a Dragon Rider Wich got killed.

It's also the name of some dragon in a couple of dungeons in some mmo...
Here is a clue chaps. Its almost "leave" spelt backwards, and hes a deserter. User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 18:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Vael the Liar.[edit]

Perhaps worth mentioning that he's a (chronic) liar. Best shown by his quote "I was one of the soldiers with Rurik when he was slain by the Stone Summit. In fact, I was the one to break the sad news to the king." He definitely wasn't there. At least, not as a soldier. Many of his other quotes seem quite unlikely, but may still be true. Though given this lie, I'm quite sceptical. Perhaps add a note 'Vael is quite the liar,' or something. 14:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

He wasn't there that you could see. He is an assassin, after all. In the shadows.-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.pnganguard 14:44, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, he was probably wearing his fake eyebrows. Throw me off every time... Kormon Balser User Kormon Balser Tango-dervish-icon-small.png 14:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Vael's Identity[edit]

Can't believe this theory hasn't been thrown around here yet, but my first thought was that this guy is actually Prince Rurik who didn't really die during the Prophecies campaign. I always thought the cutscene where he dies was a bit suspicious - the player just stands there and watches him fight and get killed from a distance without going to help him, and then doesn't check and confirm he's actually dead. Convenient for a guy who's got Daddy issues, a bone to pick with the Charr, and now wants to help people without revealing who he is... of course he's a bit older, but the face is essentially the same. He just picked up some assassin skills while learning to strike from the shadows instead of just being a brute warrior.-- 04:13, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

And of course he was good friends with the Lich who agreed to make one of his minions look and talk like him to make the story more believable? Random Weird Guy 13:11, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Great theory to me. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in relation with the Lich, possibly disguised as the Lich's trusted advisor or something. --ShananylDracon (talk) 01:58, 28 August 2013 (UTC)