Talk:White Mantle

Seriously guys, what the hell

Repeat after me: edit wars are bad! The article is fine to stay. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki?title=White_Mantle&action=history . Three major contributors, Aberrant, Karlos and Biro, all of whom have released their contribs to GFDL. This is ridiculous. --Dirigible 15:38, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Calm yourself, Dirigible. You are correct in everything you said. I'm watching, but as you can tell from the latency, I am working as well. — Gares 15:50, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

The intervening contributors to the final article have NOT released their edits under GFDL. Assuming that someone can cut'n'paste an article simply because the "major" contributors have is a misinterpretation of GFDL. Fox 15:59, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm perfectly calm, don't worry, Gares. The above message was posted before you added the copyvio tag. It was directed at Fox's and Taka Zamiazi's impromptu revert war, and the angry messages being posted here. Thanks for removing the copyvio tag.

As for whether copying that article here or not is copyvio or not, Fox, it isn't. Minor edits, like correcting typos or linkifying something can't be copyrightable under copyright law because these edits can't be considered creative expression, which is what copyright law controls. Changes like that fall under public domain, and as such are perfectly fine to be copied over. You just can't copyright this. It's grammar, for goodness' sake. From the GFDL text that you so handily linked to:

"You may copy and distribute the Document in any medium, either commercially or noncommercially, provided that this License, the copyright notices, and the license notice saying this License applies to the Document are reproduced in all copies, and that you add no other conditions whatsoever to those of this License."

Since all of those changes can't be copyrightable and are part of the public domain, no other conditions are added to the GFDL licensed text, and for that reason the copying is perfectly legal. Anything I missed? --Dirigible 16:33, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Dirigible - Calm down bro, it was all a mistake..you should have asked what's up before screaming EDIT wars! =D Taka Zamiazi 15:57, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Dirigible is correct and I will add to his explanation for finality's sake. LordBiro and Karlos created the paragraph portion and Aberrant80 created the NPC listing. Everything else was minor changes, wikifying, grammar fixes, and the like. The only thing that would have been a copyright violation would have been the flag image should it have been uploaded here. Wrapping up work before the weekend took priority over this incident when I first saw it and I apologize. — Gares 17:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Opps _ ^ ^

Well sorry about this all, im just starting out and i used Orginal Wiki's Article and Picture to practice on, I realized however than there is a sandbox now :D So sorry for all the confusion and mishap, wont happen again. But seriously though....again...sorry wasnt meant for mean'ness or anything like that i was just practicing my wiki articles and mainly loading pictures on... ----Taka

Just remember that we are usually not allowed to copy content from GuildWiki. It's better to make new content than to copy something from there. Erasculio 15:44, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Ya ya I know, but i didnt want to write something that i didnt really Know about, (usually PvE stuff, I'm all PvP) But i thought since its a great place to write something and try things out why not (Before i saw the sandbox0 Taka Zamiazi 15:49, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Also, to make indents to reply to things, such as the indent I made to reply to your original message or the one here, we have to use : at the beginning of the paragraph (more than one make a bigger indent). Just common spaces result in the odd looking table you saw above. Erasculio 15:51, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, already learning alot from my mistake ^^ =D Taka Zamiazi 15:52, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

That's the idea : ) Welcome to the wiki. Erasculio 15:54, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Thank you, glad to help out the GW community! Taka Zamiazi 15:55, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Small Article

I think we need to expand this article because the White Mantle is one of the main focuses of the entire Prophecies campaign. They are the main part of the storyline from the moment the character enters the Gates of Kryta until they sail across the ocean to the desert after going through the jungle! It just doesn't have enough information (and the picture needs to be cropped) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:He Who Likes Arrows .

Picture Title

Rather minor, but isn't the picture of a Justiciar, not a Knight? That's Justiciar Hablion if I'm not mistaken. I'll change it and if anyone feels it's too pedantic or pointless you're welcome to change it back ;). Andrik Of Ascalon 17:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

white mantle armor

is there any armor that looks like the white mantles armor craftable in game? for the male warrior id assume and with white dye applied..

Warrior armor should have all the pictures. Backsword 04:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I have the recipe for white mantle armor, more or less...Monument Helmet, Krytan Cuirass, (possibly Elite)Luxon leggings, and Krytan Boots. Add a lot of white dye. I just have to figure out if there's any gap between the regular luxon leggings and the krytan boots or not...if anyone could test this for me, it would be much appreciated! Taka Ragranok 04:29, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Elite White Mantle armor (Justiciar Hablion wears this, so do a few others, but not normal WM soldiers) is probably the best warrior armor in-game. Pity we can't actually wear it. --Jette 04:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I think my recipe is fairly close to Elite White Mantle...Taka Ragranok 23:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Propaganda

Food for thought: I wonder if this content is going to be released to coincide with MantleCon 1080AE? --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

More likely to be the fifth birthday, seeing how I have been told of nothing about this and I'm fixing up MantleCon (again). -- Konig/talk 21:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

DISMANTLE THE WHITE MANTLE! DOWN WITH THE FALSE UNSEEN GODS! LONG LIVE QUEEN SALMA!!! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.254.198.2 (talk).

Rank?

Should we attempt to describe the rank of the white mantle in this article or even possibly make separate pages for the white mantle ranks?

We know there are a few basic ranks.

• Confessor - Confessor Dorian (deceased leader of the White Mantle and High Council Member), Confessor Isaiah (the new leader of the White Mantle)
  • Justiciar- Around 8 of these or so that are named. Most likely, the named members were part of the High Council, but there were assuredly others who weren't.
    • Inquisitors - Not entirely sure what the new article was referencing by these guys, but my guess would be any member of the White Mantle army that's not an officer.

Anyone have an opinion on this? Karate Jesus 03:05, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Bump. is for Raine, etc. 00:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

This isn't a forum, we don't bump. :p @ KJ: I don't think we have enough knowledge for such a thing. Confessor - High/Inner Council - Justiciar - Inquisitor. That's the only ranks we know. (could of sworn I responded here before as well). -- Konig/talk 15:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the ranks are in this order:

(Elder Confessor)

Confessor

Inner Council Members

Justiciar (divided in higher and lower ranks)

High Inquisitor

Inquisitor

Champion

Zealot

Knight

Seeker

Scout -- Magamdy 19:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no "Elder Confessor" >.> And I'd put High Inquisitor Toriimo well above any Justiciar, though I'd say its a position in the Inner Council/High Council. During the WiK content, I'd also say the Inquisitors are higher than most, if not all, Justiciars and only due to the situation. -- Konig/talk 20:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The way of the Chosen is found in death. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is only in the latter that the Unseen shall be brought to glory. Patience progress in this delivery shall be rewarded in the next life.

-- from a conversation with Elder Confessor Schessler

:O! if you must believe this, the indeed IS or most likely WAS an elder confessor, and that would mean Dorian was his successor. Although, "according to official White Mantle records", Dorian was the direct successor of Saul D'Alessio. Since the name Schessler isnt found anywhere else in the game as far as I know, I just say it's a well hidden but but big gap in Anets story :p. But I just put it at the top to be sure. Magamdy 18:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Remnant from beta lore. I'd have to guess that Schessler is either Dorian's old name (i.e., before it was changed in lore much like Saul Botolf was Saul D'Alessio's old name) or either his first or last name (where as Dorian is the other) - my guess, if the later, would be Dorian Schessler (would also be easiest to reconcile with the lore mishap). -- Konig/talk 22:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Aaaah I didn't know that! Pretty bad they didnt remove/change that on the tablet. Guess they thought: "Meh, no-one is ever gonna read that." Thx anyway :) -- Magamdy 18:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Well considering we were recently told that the runes on the panels before the statues of the gods are beta remnants, I'm not surprised other remnants - such as the Ancient Weapon - can be found throughout Prophecies.

Who Answers Their Prayers?

Since the Mursaat are not actually deities, how do White Mantle priests heal, protect and smite? Who is answering their prayers? Ramei Arashi 20:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't think they are prayers so much as it is magic chanting in the form of prayers. Same goes to every group. I don't think magic is divine in any way, given the non-gods worshiping groups using magic. -- Konig/talk 23:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Same gods that answer Grub Lances' prayers. is for Raine, etc. 00:15, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Magic is all around us. The trees, the stone, the rainbow, even your mother's pussy breathes and heaves magic. Ever wondered what would happen if an undead fucked your mom? Dracula, that's what would happen. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.54.92.58 (talk).

yer, they probably don't treat magic like they do in AD&D MrPaladin † talk 10:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

New White Mantle Weapons? O.o

ive searched all of the weapon pages and Cannot find these.New or Very old?

--Neil2250 , Render Lord 15:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice find! These are new, see User:Zora/Gwdat. --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Updated on thier looks, added scythe spear and shield and better looking sword.--Neil2250 , Render Lord 15:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

From what I've seen the White Mantly in Kryta (at least on the Watchtower Coast) wield them. I'm not sure if they can drop them yet though. 58.106.43.167 16:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

i speculate its more of a prize from a quest,judging Zora's Dat Scraping.--Neil2250 , Render Lord 16:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Only problem with that is we side with the Shining Blade and these appear to be White Mantle weapons. 58.106.43.167 16:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

If anything, that should make them easier to get. We just have to kill some people. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 16:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I just cleared out Watchtower Coast twice in NM and they dropped a very large number of armour items. I suspect the deliberately don't drop the weapons atm or if they do, they are very rare. On the plus side, you can do some incredibly rune farming atm. 58.106.43.167 16:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

"Only problem with that is we side with the Shining Blade and these appear to be White Mantle weapons." That's not a problem at all. Charrslaying weapons are crafted by the Ebon Vanguard, yet (nearly?) every EN charr uses them. Also, the Summit Weapons we get, and Destroyer Weapons, etc. I think these weapons will either be a new "end-game" weapon set like the Deldrimor (either the green or the golds), they will be a new "elite-area" weapon set like the Destroyer and Tormented (into the HoM?!?), or they will be similar to the BMP weapons - do something, get an item, turn in for a customized untradeable gold. My money/hope is on the second - new elite area weapons. -- Konig/talk 18:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

May i just add all of them are similer in that they have glowing red dust in a small place on the weapon.--Neil2250 , Render Lord 10:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I like them. Reminds me of the Tengu weapons. -- Arduin 10:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh cmon,they arnt THAT Bad.--Neil2250 , Render Lord 10:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

The Tengu weapons are nice designed, so are these. -- Cyan 10:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

They are like the Tengu weapons, which are some of my favorite weapons (I just don't like the color scheme of the Tengu weapons, which I think is the main issue for many, because they have excellent design). -- Konig/talk 23:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Definitely very cool. I'd bet those red gems are the same substance the Mursaat weapons are made completely out of. I hope this is not another 10k-each set though, I am flat broke from buying Destroyer weaps...only four more till my hall is full... Arshay Duskbrow 00:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The "jade" of the Mursaat is purple, not red. Those are either simply rubies, or the White Mantle have been harvesting the crimson parts of the bloodstones, which is said to be very dangerous... -- Konig/talk 01:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The lighting effect may be red, but if you look at the stones themselves they're the same magenta color as the Mursaat stuff. Arshay Duskbrow 01:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if these are shining blade weaps (which I believe they are) then those red dots might be the bloodstone essences we gathered for them (see here and here). --Shai Halud 14:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Bosses?

With the new White Mantle introduced with the War in Kryta, have there been new White Mantle bosses added as well? Or are all the new bosses Peacekeepers? --Musha 09:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Selenas the Blunt, Valis the Rampant, and Sarnia the Red-Handed were added with the latest update. Manifold 15:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Do they drop any greens or minis? --Musha 17:50, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Add Destor_the_Truth_Seeker. I think the greens drop from all (WiK) White Mantle or Peacekeepers of the appropriate profession. I assume that includes bosses, but I haven't seen any specific mention of that. Three of the minis come from Royal Gifts. The other three apparently drop from White Mantle and possibly Peacekeepers. Manifold 18:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying that for me. I was under the impressions, as with almost all greens, that they dropped from bosses. After looking into it a bit, it appears that the minis drop from just the standard Whie Mantle as well. --Musha 17:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Headquarters?

The Shinning Blade have a camp in Talmark Wilderness. The White Mantle don't seem to have a power center in this game. D'Alessio and Riverside are the most likely places for their main bace. Anet needs to fill a few holes in this WAR IN KRYTA story line. (Jaxx Hammer)

Not really. The White Mantle have ruled over Kryta for over 8 years by the time of the War in Kryta. Their "headquarters" have always been the Temple of the Unseen and Temple of Tolerance. They would have no need for some base like the Shining Blade in the War in Kryta and as shown by Riverside Assassination the Temple of the Unseen is still very much a base. Also, sign your comments with 4 tildes (~~~~). -- Konig/talk 04:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Reference

Are the white mantle a reference to the spanish inquisition? I noticed that thier symbol looked kinda like a cross... and they certainly act like the inquisition (even having the rank Inquisitor) ~Gilliam Bluestaff, Legendary Guardian 03:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Inquisitor is hardly uncommon, their emblem looks more like a stylized Mursaat to most. -- Konig/talk 03:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed everything all at once, so i had to ask. The emblem can be seen either as a Mursaat with welcoming arms, or as a cross (no pun intended) between a Celtic Cross and a Crucifix. (Of course the inquisition used a totally different logo, but...) and i know Inquisitor isnt uncommon, but its really alot of little things, like the style of the dress that add up to make it look like this. ~Gilliam Bluestaff, Legendary Guardian 04:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

What happened?

It's weird but in prophecies the White Mantle aren't that difficult, they're more of an annoyance then a threat and it's easy to cut your way through them. Then I moved on to WiK and suddenly it's like they got steroids of something because they're far more powerful. I hate their resurrection skills: it seems as if every White Mantle has one. They also have all these new builds and skills and love to group together so when you attack one upgraded WiK White Mantle a whole horde comes to kill you. What happened to make them so strong? It's especially annoying for quests like Riverside Assassination where you can only have 6 party members. Lumix19 11:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

They might have the same name, but these aren't the same foes. Relatively speaking, the War in Kryta Mantle and Peacekeepers are on steroids. A little something something from ANet to make WiK more challenging.

FYI for each foe name, there are usually 4-5 different possible builds (including different secondary profs). Some of the foe types never carry any resurrection skills, some usually have 'em. Watch out for the Champions, paragons who usually have a hard rez. See also: White Mantle and Peacekeeper builds. Good luck.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Difficulty differences is a mechanical base thing due to the fact that the War in Kryta is in a way "end-game content" - much like how the stone summit in Sorrow's Furnace were originally harder than those outside (they're pretty even now), or how the Slavers' stone summit is harder than the other EN stone summit - or how the demons in DoA is harder than the demons in the Realm of Torment.

Also, if you want annoyances from resurrecting foes - go do slavers. I laugh anytime someone complains about WiK mobs and their "too many resurrection skills" (which is like, ~5-10 builds of, what 30 that have resurrection skills). -- Konig/talk 19:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Lucky Horseshoe

Is there a reference for Saul being a member of the Lucky Horseshoe guild? The text on his page and on the page for the Lucky Horseshoe guild says that he went to their gambling house but doesn't say he was actually a member.--Ceru talk contribs 03:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to be part f a guild to use their services (lore-wise); let's say, if there was a Carpenter Guild, you wouldn't need to join them to commission an table or a couple of chairs. -- Large 17:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

That was the point. When I originally posted, the page said that he was a member of that guild. I couldn't find a reference for that, lore-wise. When no one else was able to to find one either, it was removed.--Ceru talk contribs 04:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Members

Should I add a members list to mainpage or page split? Unseen Ones >> Confessor & Inner Council >> Inquisitors >> Justiciars >> Officers >> Agents...

-List Hidden-

--Falconeye 01:42, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Neither I say, as we do not ever list bosses on these pages. If anything, an additional column to the list of allies. But no more. And why did you list Unseen Ones? They are not White Mantle. Konig/talk 02:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit: Nevermind on the list of allies, I forgot that got merged/removed. In either case, those listed, by what I see, should not be listed on the page as they are all hostile. Konig/talk 02:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

category white mantle bosses ftw 75.37.17.164 02:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorting by CLASS is retarded

Every time I come to the wiki to find out what class a certain mob is... I always have to scan through the list OR use <Ctrl>+<F> to find the damn name. Who decided that listing by CLASS was the most FUNCTIONAL way to organize the mobs... Because it "looks" pretty?? It should be alphabetical. Yea I know the wiki has been around for 5+ years...18:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Even worse, the class sort isn't alphabetical: warriors are first, Dervs are last. (And, despite five years of experience with this odd method, the GW2W community decided to carry the idea over into GW2's wiki, too.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:59, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The class order is determined by their order in-game. Go to the priest of Balthazar, look at the hero list order. Same ordering. Why by class and not by name? Because it groups like-foes together. Konig/talk 19:40, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

My rough attempt to make something for myself. White Mantle (PITA's) IDK squat about tables or how to put the class in the class column. It wasn't until I sorted the table in excel, that I realized that there weren't a bazillion variations of white mantle.

1) Not everything needs/SHOULD be... alphabetical. But when someone is trying to figure out the make-up of a big ball of white mantle, the current list FORCES them to scan the list (Is that the one I'm looking for? Nope. Is THAT the one? Nope.) or use ctrl+F... vs just reading down the list.

1.1) Case in point. HERE it should be alphabetical, so people can use the info easily. But on the GW2 wiki, the list of skills NEED to be in the order of 2hand, mainhand, offhand. There is a logical reason why the list should be in that order (to differentiate between weapons that give you a full vs partial skillbar / teach a game mechanic). I saw some genius had alphabetize the GW2 skills list... and the super-genius listed all FIVE axe skills as one section, with no differentiation between main & offhand! How the hell would THAT have helped people understand the game??

> Not everything needs to be or SHOULD ALWAYS BE ordered as it is in the game. It is extremely unfriendly to anyone learning the game. It's only recently that I have bothered with hardmode and needing to know who is who, vs cake-walking them. There is no logical reason to order by class.

@Konig... I see the list of heros as: Norgu(Mesmer), Goren(Warrior), Tahlkora(Monk), Master of Whispers(Necro), etc. They aren't sorted by name OR class. As best as I can tell, they are sorted by: NF, Prophecies, EoTN. ALSO, Hero's only came out with Nightfalls ;-) I believe the classes are listed by armour rating on the wiki (which is /doh!).

@Ernie > As a personal rant (no PA vs. you :-)... The GW2W "community" that made all the decisions... is NOT representative of the (soon to be) actual community. ATM there is a high majority of people who "got there first". Too much personal likes/dislikes, cliquishness is being applied to the information there. Eg. One person didn't like the FACT that Anet capitalizes non-proper nouns in skill names, even thought that is EXACTLY how we do it here. So they shoved their personal hatred of capitalization down the throats of everyone... and as time went by called it, "community consensus". There is next to no concern for people who have never played GW1/2 or who are new to MMO's.

TL:DR I don't know how to do tables :-) and wiki's need to present info in a manner to best HELP users, not just in some mindless manner. Mainly, alphabetical or as it is in the game... BUT THEY SHOULD NEVER OVERLOOK the new users who are trying to LEARN THE GAME. Having some retarded order, "because that is how the game does it" is a lame excuse (no PA @Konig :-)  Frostty1  23:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that layout looks ugly. Even if we were to make class its own unique table... it would look even WORSE if it was done properly, or improperly. It's also incorrect with the region listings.

I don't know what hero list you're looking at. Press P. You get warriors first, then rangers, monks, necromancers, mesmers, elementalists, and so forth. I really don't know where you're getting Norgu as first. It used to be a chaotic mess and I think Norgu was near the top then, but now it's not and is ordered the same way.

And whether or not the current system is "retarded" is subjective. This is the order anyone who pays attention to profession ordering in game would recognize and know instantly. It may appear "retarded" (an offensive word to some, which is equally subjective) to those who don't pay attention, but it isn't "retarded" and it does make sense. That said, I don't mind putting the listings of profession-based alphabetical, but your suggestion is just pure chaos in appearance. No offense. Konig/talk 23:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)