User talk:Pling/Archive box/2009 Oct-Dec

October

so

How do you change your name ? Lilondra *poke* 12:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You create the account name that you want, then get a bureaucrat to move your old contributions over. -- pling 14:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

talk about "no, we won't do that. why? because then everyone will want to." - Y0_ich_halt 16:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

They've done two already, so I don't see that happening. Though it has the potential to generate some drama... -- NUKLEAR IIV 16:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

i thought i'd give trolling a try, though it appears i'll rest unsuccessful :) - Y0_ich_halt 18:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You could've asked to get your name changed like 20 times, each to something more obscure and illegilable than the one before, and then bitch about Beaucratz messing up your contributions. WUBLEAR

VII 18:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You can be sure that even the first name change won't happen in such a case... poke | talk 20:46, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

hey, i wanna change my name to Y_0_h_i_l_t_r_l_a_r_t! - Y0_ich_halt 22:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Following on...

Hey Brains, Wyn said to ask you about it as you seem to be the expert on this subject.

Just some follow up questions, do I still keep both accounts and the info on the user/talk pages, and it just merges the contributions, or does it delete them?

Thanks.-- Chris Malone 07:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Both accounts will still exist with all user settings kept (like watchlist or preferences). The only thing that happens is that all contributions (including log entries and such) are transferred (or renamed) from one account to another. So the source account will end with zero contributions and the target account will have its own and all the contributions from the source account. We should write some FAQ about this :P poke | talk 07:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

If you want an example, see my old account Brains12 (talk • contribs • logs • block log) which has had its contributions/logs moved over to my new account, Pling (talk • contribs • logs • block log).

And yes, an FAQ would be nice. It could double up as a request page, maybe - I don't want every request to be on my talk page (especially when my term's over and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it :P). We could use the admin noticeboard for requests, but if we're going to have a separate FAQ page we might as well include requests on it (keep things centralised, etc). -- pling 15:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Would we need a policy around this? I don't think it's such a must, but what do you think? But we might need rules of somekind - J.P.Talk 16:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The consensus was just to have it down to user requests and bureaucrat discretion. I don't think it needs to be made into policy; the FAQ should provide any info necessary. -- pling 16:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I created Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for user merge at poke's request/suggestion - make sure it makes sense and is easily understandable, and make a request there when ready. -- pling 20:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright, cheers guys. -- Lacky 07:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Isn't b'crat election Wiki news?

I added the b'crat nomination process to news for 3 reasons:

1. it's news
2. for those who dismissed the site notice, but didn't think to "watch" any of the pages (it's much easier to find from the portal than any other way)
3. it seemed odd to see the RfAs listed without noting the election (although, as you suggested, one gets a site notice and the other doesn't)

  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Elections were always added to the news, weren't they? --- Mini Me 20:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Also sorry for not looking at the history first :( - Mini Me 20:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The results have been listed in the past, the actual stages of the election haven't - the sitenotice is on every page, so it generally isn't missed. If people dismiss it, it's likely they've read it and they're aware an election is taking place, or they're not particularly bothered. Since it's renewed at the beginning of each stage, it's not hard to miss. -- pling 20:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I routinely dismiss site notices without remembering to bookmark (or, out of habit, without reading them). Later, I realize I want to see the notice again.

Although the benefit of inclusion is minor, I am having trouble seeing any downside (outside of going against tradition).   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

You can re-add it if you wish. -- pling 09:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Slightly confused on a tag you added...

On Tyria (world) you added the {{rewrite}} tag due to "subjective; rhetoric" - just wondering, how exactly is it subjective? -- Konig/talk 12:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

it's not an objective report from a player's point of view (as expected from an encyclopedia) but an image-filled description by a narrator. iow it sounds more like a story of a traveller than a wiki article. you could say it's subjective because the ways in which regions are described give an opinion. - Y0_ich_halt 13:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

^ -- pling 14:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what is so wrong about an in-game view of lore portions of articles. I think it makes the read more interesting, to be honest. -- Konig/talk 16:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

We are not here to advertize and make things more interesting though, we are here to document the game. poke | talk 16:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

True, but wouldn't it make things not only easier to read, but more worthwhile to document and drawing more attention (and in effect, create more Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Featured pages worthy articles), if we make it interesting to do so? Meh, either way, guess I'm fine with it if it is the rules. -- Konig/talk 17:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Pages get featured when they are well written and have good content; not if they are better advertisements than others.. poke | talk 18:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Advertising things of the game would be the whole featured articles project, or things like PvX. Writing the lore portions from an in-game view is still documenting the game, just not from a player view. Is the view in which something is written really that big of a deal? I mean, as long as it is still accurate information, I really cannot see where the issue is. But, I'm not an admin or sysop, so I guess my opinions don't matter much. -- Konig/talk 18:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Your opinions matter just as much as poke's or mine, and we're not doing anything here as sysops.

I think that when things get too rhetorical and more entertain-y rather than informative-y, the latter gets weakened. Whether something is opulent or magnificent is entirely subjective - as a reader, I want to know the true details and not what certain figures in-game might think. If something is to be documented, it should be objective and unbiased, so if you want to say something is "opulent", say for example "and palaces, which are described by such and such person to be opulent". It's a third-party kind of view - we're not characters in the world of Guild Wars, we're observers documenting the game's contents. -- pling 22:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

After reading the tyria(world) article I wonderd what is Subjective about it? I think the story has been writing that it looks like it is subjective but eveything you read are facts. So instat of rewriting this article we should feature it because it is a very good and well written article.--Wysth 19:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

After not coming back here for a while, figured I'd put my next say-so. For the terms opulent and magnificent used for Cantha - that was there since 2007, yet now is the issue? Anyways, I think if we change Tyria (world) because of this issue, we should change Lore, Kurzick, Luxon, Gods of Tyria, and others because they too have parts, if not the whole lore sections, that are written from a player-potent in-game view (that is, written from an in-game view, but knows what players know - wanted to be clear since I made the term up). To be honest, how I see it, it isn't the view of how it is written, but just the opinions within it - which would mean the above statements, excluding Pling's last statement, are mostly not even on the issue at hand. After re-reading the section, I only see two problems - the second sentence of the paragraph on Cantha ("Compared to the namesake continent, the Empire of the Dragon is prospering, with opulent palaces and magnificent forests dominating the area.") which can be fixed by removing opulent and magnificent - and the ending of the paragraph on Elona ("However, rumors spread that the undead scourge – freed from his prison in the fight against Abaddon – is mustering his forces once more. Only time will tell if these rumors are true, and if they are then all Elona may be in trouble.") - the later is only an issue because I wrote it to leave a bit of unknown on GW2 lore. That is, it isn't a fully player-potent view, but it is done so to keep GW2 lore out of the GW1W. I have fixed the first problem I saw as it was just two adjectives, and shall leave the second for discussion on whether to include the GW2 lore, or not. -- Konig/talk 14:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I dont think the last part of the paragraph is subjective. Since this wiki is bout stuf that happens in guildwars 1 we can not say a thing about guildwars 2 since that still has to happen in the future. So adding things that say anything about them comming back or not is not documenting the game but predecting the future. What is beeing said here is, if you ask me,a nice way to say we have no clue what will happen and can't tell you, the future will tell. And @konig the words you cut out may appear subjective but I think a forest or a Sea may be called magnificent wenn it covers a quater of the continent, but I have no problem with removing it.--Wysth 17:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Konig, it might have been there for a while, but I only pointed it out when I noticed it - I don't see every change when it's made. But anyway, I'm not too fussed about this, I just don't think there should be subjective descriptions in articles, which is the main point here. If that means changing various other pages... then it means changing them; that's not a reason against removing subjective description. As far as I know, we've always preferred objective to subjective content, so it's not like this would be a major change - just some lore articles/sections would need improving, I think.

Guild Wars 2 lore can be touched upon, but it shouldn't be written in a rhetorical story-telling way. We pretty much know that Joko'll invade Elona, so we can say so if it's relevant to the article; though I'm not sure how it's relevant to the geography of Elona, so it could be removed. In fact, a lot of that section is more about the lore of each continent rather than the physical geography. -- pling 18:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Just letting you guys know that I largely agree with pling on this matter. — Why 00:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

why do you remove skill link

i dont understand your comment : http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Everlasting_Mobstopper&curid=228836&diff=1757501&oldid=1757469 The point of skill field is to link to the related skill page (even if it has same name...). Do you plan to tag for deletion the related skill page ? Until then, it just avoids to have one more orphelin skill page... Elephant 21:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

The skill isn't actually applied by the item - they appear to be unrelated, other than by name. It might even be non-existent (I think it was retrieved through the gw.dat, not from the game itself). I assume it'll make an appearance soon, possibly through a future quest, but if it doesn't it can then be deleted (or treated however gw.dat-only info is). -- pling 21:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, to your comment (the skill isn't actually present (yet?);), yes there is actually a skill activated and applied by item when used in game ;)... Elephant 13:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

You get Weakened by Dhuum, but you have no access to the Everlasting Mobstopper skill (yet). poke | talk 13:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Please leak more information ;) Elephant 13:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's not confirmed or anything; just a good guess. We still have the final battle against Dhuum left, and it could be possible that we get that skill then (instead of having the item). poke | talk 13:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

But when? This festival ends soon. And the storyline is still left open in my opinion. - J.P.Talk 22:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

November

/ave

Danny here - I'm just curious about something. How are my edits and insults any worse than Shard's? Also, I'd love to see some links to the edits you're particularly referencing. 85.13.197.154 09:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

ups. my bad. proxies are messy with wiki error codes. 85.13.197.154 09:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not a matter of whether yours are "worse" than anyone else's, you are only responsible for you own statements and those are what are being questioned, not compared. The simple fact is, calling people "dipshit", and maligning them personally is a violation of NPA. You tend to push it way beyond the limits, and should be amazed you have not been blocked previously. -- Wyn talk 11:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

^ pretty much. Specifically, [1], [2], [3]. Also, if you want to discuss a block, contact me off-wiki - my userpage has email and MSN info - or wait until the block's over. -- pling 17:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Sig

I still don't see the big deal cause it links to pages. I hope this is good enough----Xtreme 17:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that's fine. The appearance of the link, in a signature, matters too - when I'm reading a comment, I'd like to also read the writer's name. -- pling 17:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

You made me feel warm and fuzzy inside for reasons I cannot comprehend or describe

:P. NuVII 18:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Pling aims to please. Vili 点 18:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I have that effect on people. I'm just that awesome. -- pling 19:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Directed towards?

Whom? -- FreedomBound 21:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Kittens. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.159.45.96 (talk) at 21:09, 09 November 2009 (UTC).

Everybody, if it is obvious that it's Moo Kitty of course. poke | talk 22:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

(disruption: personal attacks, constant bickering, causing unnecessary drama, refusal to heed comments/advice/warnings, 1RR, asshattery, etcetc)

Best block summary ever. NuVII 19:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

CONGRATULATIONS!!

You win the best ban award! Your prize: A template that you can show off with! You must be real proud! :D Titani Ertan 20:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Meh.. as far as ban goes, i have seen more epic ones (hint: check the oldest one XD).--Fighterdoken 20:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

It's exactly the same. What going on here. elix Omni 20:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

oh wait -Cursed Angel 20:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

agree with CA - Y0_ich_halt 20:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratz! here, have a cookie! Jonny10 21:03, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that blocking yourself and not unblocking is... chivalrous, noble, and just weird. But blocking yourself for vandalism, and then unblocking with the saying "rofl wrong persn :/" - that deserves a reward. Also, Fighterdoren, that's exactly the ban I talked about. Titani Ertan 05:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

AH pling is a schizophrenic robot nazi vampire that is going to take over the world ! (watch sxephil if you don't get it).No srsly it is quite epic :) have a nice day ^^ Lilondra 05:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

titani, you do know who raptors is, don't you? - Y0_ich_halt 12:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I vaguely remember a discussion with a User:Raptors coming up. Pourquoi? Titani Ertan 14:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

because he's what makes tanaric's ban epic ;) - Y0_ich_halt 15:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Just a heads-up, this is outdated. — Why 02:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks -- pling 10:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

December

Question?

Is it possible to be banned for only 1 second?--Unendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 03:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Plingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingplingpling. Pling pling plingaling. Pling! is for Raine, etc. 04:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Whaaaa? o___O--Unendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 04:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. You can also set ban lengths in fortnights. Vili 点 05:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I want a one second ban now! ^__^--Unendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 05:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Aren't you proud of your clean record? — Why 12:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Ya, but a 1 second REQUESTED ban will not tarnish it >:P--Unendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 15:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

The block tool is not a toy. -Auron 15:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

>_>--Unendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 15:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

srz bzns - Y0_ich_halt 17:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Indeed :P--Unendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 17:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Did Auron just call Pling a block tool? o_O --snograt 13:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I think he did >:O--Unendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 14:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

6 months vs 12 months

I thought the last election was the one that wasn't going to be subject to the 12 month term length. Personally, I don't really care, but the election policy linked to shows 12 months... -- FreedomBound 16:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

See GWWT:ADMIN#Proposal:Proposal: 6 months -> 12 month, specifically Xeeron's "clarifying addition" section - October's election was the first election after the policy change, so that was 12 months. This election is the second, so it's 6 months. The next election (February's) will be 12 months. -- pling 16:13, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, missed that part. -- FreedomBound 16:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I couldn't find it. Btw, what does DEFAULTSORT do? - Mini Me talk 16:13, 11 December 2009

Adds sortkeys to all the categories on the page, so you don't need to copy "|sortkey" after every category, you just define the defaultsort once. -- pling 16:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

And what are sortkeys? - Mini Me talk 16:16, 11 December 2009

The name under which the page is ordered in the category. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category#Sort_key -- pling 16:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I see, thanks. - Mini Me talk 16:27, 11 December 2009

Whoops

You got nominated. Some jerk did that. Wasn't me. Titani Ertan 16:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, what a fat jerk. Some people, eh. -- pling 16:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

is this what the world has come to ? Lilondra 14:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

so

You can find me generally around and about, cleaning up or discussing. If I'm not doing that, I'm still keeping an eye on what's going on. ~ A certain GWW member

You think he's omniscient ? Lilondra 05:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello.

How do I add a table of contents to a guild page? --24.98.24.92 18:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Write __TOC__ where you want it to appear. poke | talk 18:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. --24.98.24.92 18:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Rollback

cheater 194.254.215.12 01:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

^ -- Lacky 22:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

You too :). -- pling 23:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Have a happy and a merry!  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:19, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Cheers Pling. ^_^ -- Lacky 02:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Reconfirmation

4 RfR requests, and it's been almost 2 years since your RfA. Time to reconfirm, Plingaling. This is official notice you've got 2 weeks to do so. - Tanetris 20:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Done, my liege. -- pling 22:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hey Pling. I would ask Wyn about this since she was the one who blocked the user, but since she herself is blocked, I shall ask you. ^_^

The block log says this:

02:52, 24 December 2009 Wynthyst (Talk | contribs) changed block settings for Thrash (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 2009-12-30T16:48:03Z (account creation disabled) ‎ (Continued refusal to comply with GWW:SIGN)

What does the 30T16:48:03Z part mean? I figure it's the date and time kind of thing, but what's the letters for?

Cheers Pling! -- Lacky 02:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

30 is the date (2009-12-30), and I believe the rest refers to what time in the day the block expires. T obviously stands for the time, though I am not quite sure of the Z. --RIDDLE 02:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for that. it was really confusing me. After that explanation, I am thinking maybe the T stands for time, but in relation with the date, and then the Z stands for the hours/minutes/seconds? -- Lacky 02:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure - that's how the auto-entered expiry time is formatted if one goes to change the block of an already blocked user. -- pling 14:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

It's a date/time format in the ISO 8601 standard. poke | talk 16:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, ok, I gotcha now. Thanks to both you Poke, Pling and Riddle for giving me a better understanding. -- Lacky 00:30, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, according to this the TZ means timezone. -- Lacky 16:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Except for the fact that in the ISO 8601 format both letters stand for themselves. And T is a simple separator there indicating that the time is following and Z (=zero, if you like) stands for a zero timezone offset (=UTC time). poke | talk 17:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Congratulations =) -- Cyan 00:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!-- Shew 00:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

happy birthday :) – Emmett 00:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

^ ^ That is a little gay. Happy Bday. Drogo Boffin 00:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

This user would like to wish you a Happy Birthday!

-- Lacky 00:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday! Shadow Runner 00:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks guys, the imitation-tango cake was particularly delicious :) -- pling 00:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy birthday! - Mini Me talk 09:29, 28 December 2009

Happy Birthday, Pling!--Sharkinu 09:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

happy b-day ^^ have an imitation-tango muffin next to your imitation-tango cake :D - Y0_ich_halt 09:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy birthday! :D--/u/nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 09:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Pling!

-- riyen ♥ 10:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know your birthday was today! :O HAPPY BIRTHDAY PLINGALING! Look the crane is here. :D - Bex 10:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy birthday Plingles.--neshot. 11:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

↑— Why 15:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

This user would like to wish you a Happy Birthday!

(Satanael | talk) 15:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Pling <3 poke | talk 15:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Brithday plingaling! ~ PheNaxKian 16:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

↑ → balistic ← 17:01, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Pling :) --Kakarot 01:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

ctrl-c ctrl-v --adrin 01:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Pling! is for Raine, etc. 03:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)