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More proof that the devs don't play their own game. Rolain1 01:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

?--72.253.204.205 01:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Rolain is suggesting that Anet doesn't know how to balance PvP, and he/she is right. This is what? The 4th time they've had to adjust the skills they buffed for the mesmer update? They really have no idea what they're doing. All of this is reactionary. 71.115.101.155 01:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

The devs themselves are merely human as well, they will miss specific combos and some synergy as easily as the next guy. Reactionary is better than laid-backiness. - Infinite - talk 01:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

No, that's kind of the premise. They don't play their own game because a bloody invalid could see the harm in their decisions before they make them. They give mesmers a bunch of high-damage skills and what happens? A build with 5 mesmers that kill people! Guess what? This has happened *every time they gave a caster profession damage like that*. Remember kappaspike? MB eles with 3-recharge Immolate? Ray of Judgment spike?

Even without the capacity to determine what a meta would evolve into based on the presence of a specific skill, they should at the very bloody least be able to figure it out based on similar past situations. Quite literally, this is retarded. — Raine Valen 2:49, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Wastrelslolol. Oh, man. Seriously? Hey guys, I'm covering mah diversion with some Wastrel's, and now I'm covering mah Shame with some Wastrel's. That's going to be a little rough forcing that much hex removal constantly. Karate Jesus 01:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

"I'm covering mah diversion with some Wastrel'smini savanna heat" 127.0.0.1 01:40, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow, Wastrel's Demise is doing 165 damage @ 16 dom if it lasts full duration, and Overload is exceptional Shatter Delusions fodder. Going to have some fun with these to see how they play. Cirian 01:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Well at least this update is something--Drug 01:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Overload now requires more timing and isn't "lol damage and oh I got lucky-extra damage yay". Unnatural merely got balanced out. Wastrel's does about 120 damage at req 12 Domination IF it lasts its full duration and no longer with no degeneration and can get taken off when the victim uses a skill. Get your facts straight before you go on your rants. Extra hex-removal won't be needed because unless your brain dead you will never last long enough to do 165 damage.--The Emmisary 02:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

"I'm covering my DIVERSION and my SHAME"

Just go ahead and cast through them imo because you're a good player. — Raine Valen 2:27, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Test Wastrel's Demise yourself. Wastrel's demise @16Dom does 11 22 33 44 55 = 165 damage on foe and adjacent foes. If you recast Wastrels Demise on the 3rd second before it ends, target foe takes 11 22 33 44 55 11 22 33 (total of 8 seconds), which means the first WD does its full dmg regardless of whether its renewed or not(although the 2nd WD will not do its full dmg since it takes 2 seconds from the first one and 3 seconds for itself).

But it'll be a cover hex, tbh. There's no point trying to time it correctly when you could just go VoR+wastrel's, Backfire+wastrel's, Diversion+wastrel's, Shame+wastrel's, etc. on the whole team. Karate Jesus 02:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, or here's another fun scenario! You ever use Searing Heat in HA? It does a fuckton of damage to your target. It does 200 at 15 fire, then another 21 from burning. The really fun part is that it's balanced around your target being able to move out of it and not take the full damage, but that's not an option against coordinated teams because warriors kick peoples' asses. You know what keeps Searing Heat in check? It has a 30-second recharge and you can interrupt it while fapping to girl-on-girl.

Wastrel's does 150 damage. With the other Wastrel's on top of that, we're looking at a fair 250. You know what's cool about Wastrel's? They don't have a recharge. They can't be interrupted.

But that's okay, because mesmers can't match the spike power of eles, right? Rodgort's for 120 is no laughing matter! But, oh, what's this?! A challenger appears! Well shit, guys, mesmers are better fire eles than fire eles now.

Seriously, what the fuck? — Raine Valen 2:38, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

No idea, but Panic+Wastrel's Demise+Wastrel's Worry is some evil shit. Actually, pretty much anything that forces you to cast with both wastrel's is going to be terrible. "Oh, hey guys, I just got backfired. Guess I'll just wait it ou-OH MY GOD! DOUBLE WASTREL'S! CAST CAST! DYING! HELP! MORE WASTREL'S! WHAT'S THE RECHARGE ON THIS!?" Just saying. Karate Jesus 02:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Raine ^_^ --76.22.135.144 02:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

That is your only contrib on this wiki. I'm proud of myself. — Raine Valen 22:59, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=User:Tha_Reckoning&diff=next&oldid=2028883 <--- I totally called it on the last mes godlike skillz update. Yeah, it's a good thing I stopped playing this. -- Tha Reckoning 02:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, I actually like the new WD in PvE. It's pretty hilarious with Panic and WW, and PvE is hilariously easy anyway. I'm rupting all dem skillz whilst nuking like a boss :D Karate Jesus 03:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

This is also the problem...while they have done a very good job make mesmers easier to play in HM pve, they are rediculously overpowered for pvp...monks are just getting rickrolled :( --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.189.191.28 (talk).

I posted a bar on the talkpage for Wastrel's Demise. Go have fun. — Raine Valen 3:10, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

This is hilarious. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 03:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I will now quote the Blu team's Heavy: "Waaaaaah! Whhhaaaaaaaaaah! Cry some Moar!" If the dev's didn't play their own game, you wouldn't get any updates at all, so sit down and be thankful that you are getting any attention at all. crybabies. FleshAndFaith 04:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, remember when you said something and you were right? Me neither. elix Omni 04:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I once threw a rock at a beehive. I don't play the bees' game at all, but I updated the shit out of it. Your argument is invalid. — Raine Valen 22:50, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Getting back to my main point, and Flesh may want to pay attention here. My point is that the devs seem intent on not balancing what actually needs to be balanced, and insted do one huge update, and follow it up with several fixes. Why is esurge godlike? Because Energy burn is quite powerful in it's own right. What is Power Creep? The devs have clearly never heard of it. Why is BBway in it's 3rd incarnation? Because they either a) don't know that it's broken b) don't know how to abuse bars or c) don't play their own game. Rolain1 05:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

LOLs. Screw the stupid buffs I STILL say they ruined the game for most other professions with that stupid over buffing of skills + the over buffed fast casting attribute allowing the abuse of said over buffed skills. 99.117.99.120 08:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh while I am at it. Karate Jesus you do not somehow see that as overpowered? >"nuking like a boss whilst interrupting skills" 99.117.99.120 08:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

It's admittedly OP. He doesn't care because LOLZ. — Raine Valen 22:59, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

I think this is great how a ton of wiki fruits complain about skill buffs/nerfs whilst any real or decent players on PvP adapt to the changes. And as for PvE, well it is already stupidly shitty with enough other broken skills why does one more make you rage?--The Emmisary 16:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

There are no good players on rawr or QQ forums and there never have been. They've never complained about a skill update. OH WAIT. Well damn. There goes whatever you were saying. — Raine Valen 22:59, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Because it is fun to watch all the people who tell me I am wrong tell me I am right at a later date, Rogueonion 16:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, you seem to have a legitimate complaint. Your point is that the developers should be able to see a thousand moves ahead in the game, like some chess playing computer, and fathom every potential combination of skills for structured, team based PvP. Let's see, 8 skills, 8 players, over 1200 potential skills, which can be reused up to 8 times... Pfft, yeah, its like they don't even care enough to humor you. What's your problem, can't beat every HA team you come across? GvG teams figuring out how to use skills that have been balanced down? Maybe your problem is local, and the dev's really don't have much to do with it ;) FleshAndFaith 19:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

You don't need to figure out every combination of skills and what will be played. You just need to know some very, very basic shit: if you give a profession the best shutdown skills in the game and two uncounterable skills that heavily punish players for being shut down, it's going to be functionally broken. If you give casters too much damage in a game built around casters being several times as hard to prot (Guardian v Spirit Bond or Prot Spirit), they will be functionally broken. We've seen the same shit dozens of times before. Learning from mistakes is basically the definition of "sane", and anet's not showing any ability to do that. — Raine Valen 22:59, 13 Aug 2010 (UTC)

@ Emmisary: I'm fairly certain that upwards of 90% of the real or decent pvpers are playing SC2 right now, and don't give a rat's ass about GW. -- Tha Reckoning 19:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

LOL when a wiki "fruit" talks smack about other wiki fruits Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

SERIOUSLY? I tell them how unbalanced the game is here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:User/Daggerbird/balancing_casters_vs._non-casters and this is what they do?? unbelievable, THEY MUST REALLY LOVE CASTERS. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Daggerbird (talk).

SERIOUSLY! THANK YOU DAGGERBIRD FOR THE ABOVE STATEMENT OF FACT. btw the previously unsigned comment above was daggerbird and I do not know how to fix it. Rogueonion 22:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

The developers don't have time to read everything you write. I can make a blog saying how I think Elementalists should have slingshot weapons, but if I don't put it in the right place, no one but me will read it. Also, martial vs casting is very well balanced. Hence why teams still bother with a frontline. FleshAndFaith 22:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Flesh for fixing that could you please do me a favor and on my userpage tell me how you did it? and I have to disagree with you, just from Karate Jesus' statement above, " I'm rupting all dem skillz whilst nuking like a boss :D " Rogueonion 22:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

LOLZ@raine thanks for the perspective you of course are right in many of those statements. Rogueonion 23:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why did they buff all those skills in the first place? I get the PvE part, but couldn't they have just left them as is for PvP? The mesmer was fine, hell other than VoR it was probably the most balanced PvP profession. The following reactionary buffs/nerfs are just symptoms of that initial disease. Completely unnecessary when they could've just applied the PvE/PvP split from the start. How come the Test Krewe didn't catch on to this? Or did they not even have a say in all this? RazoR39999 00:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

How many in the TC play HA? Rolain1 22:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Lag Lag Lag Lag Lag Lost Polymocks Lost Minis

Issues i currently have or heard many people currently have are:

1. Polymock pieces assigned to my characters have disappeared completely. Some claim only pieces that were assigned disappeared, while others claim all their Polymock pieces(assigned or not) disappeared.

2. All minis that were dedicated to my Hall of monuments have disappeared from my HoM. Which means i am left with no minis in my HoM(and they did not just turn the minis off display, i cant display any minis that i dedicated(before outage), they now disappeared completely(not even in the list). Whats more is, the minis that i dedicated are now still dedicated. Example: Bought unded mini MOX for 75 ectos, dedicated it to my HoM, mini MOX became dedicated, mini MOX disappeared completely from my HoM(cannot be displayed or seen and is not in the list of minis), but the mini MOX in my bag is still dedicated. I tried dedicating a new mini Turtle, in the list of displayable minis, only the Turtle appears. Im pissed, all those ectos spent and i wont even get my mini Dhuum transferred to Gw2 now...Cant get money back either, dedicated minis are worthless.

3. Lag. Anyone else? Since the planned outage? I know im not the only one, i keep seeing at least 4 people disconnect on my team in Jade quarry, or dont load, or leave the game, or enemies standing completely still in front of me for 2 whole mins. Funnily enough, i cant tell if its me lagging or them lagging if they stand still...And of course, lots of complaints of lag.

File a support ticket. We can't do anything. Karate Jesus 01:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

guild wars just moved databases, give it time. --Dominator Matrix 02:57, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

HOly shit... follow up please! I could care less about Polymock but #2 is a serious issue. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 03:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks like all 73 of my mini's are there in my hall. I hope they fix yours dude! (Usaf1a8xx 05:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC))

Wow I am actually "displaying" more of the minis I have dedicated in my HoM than was usual, Rogueonion 09:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

No I take it back I seem to have LOST about the same amount of minis in my hall that I am displaying grrr dangit ANET get it together and stop stealing our stuff. Rogueonion 09:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

geta grip children, 1st its a game 2nd whats wrong with not playing the game for 1 day! you only have your self to blame if your one of the 1000's who keped spaming there "login" button just to get into the game asap. its your falt the servers laged lol so blame yourself

I can see why you didn't sign ur comment...cuz ur a retard (Usaf1a8xx 20:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC))

"All minis that were dedicated to my Hall of monuments have disappeared" yeah no one cares about lag atm... Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

im going to try to put this simply...calling some one "retard" does not provide an adult reply, i could understand if you said "they should not have had bad lagspikes as the server is soposed to be inproved" as thats a resonable response..defend your reply dont just atack your not a cave man, so try better next time...and i dont sign because i do not wish to sign up when my user pg will remain blank...if you want a name call me david --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.33.48 (talk).

So what's going on... did the community just lose all of their dedications without response or is this a bug or something? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Connection Errors

Has anyone experienced a lot of error code 13 and 72 after the outage? I can't even login right now --Yamiingenkon 03:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I got back to back code 13's this afternoon while SS farming on Istan. (Usaf1a8xx 05:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC))

I had a 13 while attempting to get to the second level of Raven's Point. I tried disconnecting and reconnecting my own connection to see if I could reconnect in time for the reconnect to work (ANet, could we please have a "force reconnect" button for those times we know we've disconnected but the client is being slow to realise?) and failed, reappearing in Olafstead - where someone else was commenting that they'd been dropped.

Additionally, on doing today's zmission, on the first attempt one of the monks never loaded on a party that had very little damage mitigation apart from the two monks. Needless to say this went...badly. Draxynnic 07:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

6/8 of my team dced at once. >.> lol at magmus. --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 09:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Blah...what a brilliant idea, merge to new servers right before a weekend event that brings people out of the woodwork. Then have some buggy issues(understandable) and couple that with the weekend event and cause massive lag and DC's. Got code 7 in FoWsc and got code 5 in a VQ within a few min of each other. So instead of playing more on a weekend event that I was looking forward, I'm inclined to play less because I don't like wasted efforts. (Usaf1a8xx 20:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC))

Wish ANET would get their collective heads out off their respective Anus'

The title says it all. Rogueonion 11:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe its ani. --Musha 04:06, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

LAWL. Rogueonion 14:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

About Vincent Evan

If I follow which skill he have from is GWW page, he still have the PvE version of Weapon of Warding Tech Wolf 12:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

This belongs on that henchie's talk, but no, sir, he does not have the PvE version. That's just the first page that Weapon of Warding directs one to. -- Oiseau | 16:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems that they read some of the feedback space

New WD looks like it's based off of this: Feedback:User/Ph03n1x/Ignorance Previously Unsigned 14:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Not the first time, I remember when the warrior updates came down, some of them were pretty much word for word what people here had recommended. It is nice to have some "confirmation" that they're reading them, though. -- FreedomBound 14:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Except that the suggested skill has a recharge. Koda Kumi 16:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Also tactics still sucks, halp Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Heros?

Despite multiple mesmer buffs I keep putting gwen on the back burner. I run blood support livia, SoS xandra and the last slot is typically Hayda, an mm or a mission specific. Ive played around with gwen on a couple occasions but generally am not impressed with her preformance using these skills. She uses them almost flawlessy (ai knows when a hex is no longer on a foe). Are these skills really all that impressive compared to typical VoR or even a simple ele nuker? Beyond the "on paper" view of them ofcoarse. Justice 21:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I run Gwen ALOT with OQBTAWxOwJEmDkBCONgpb5nBA so maybe check that out. (Usaf1a8xx 21:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC))

Gwen is always in my party: Panic, great for shutting down crowds; Complicate, good as well especially for the occasional clump of the same nasty mob (Ether Roars, EOTN Charr, etc.); or Power Lock, same thing but less energy if you won't be meeting such mobs; Mistrust, more shutdown but with some aoe damage; Empathy or any anti-melee of your choice; Power Drain and Drain Enchantment are your e-management skills. That is what I use in general on Gwen, but like with Mesmer players, Mesmer hero bars can change a lot from area to area. BTW Panic seems to also interrupt auto-attacking. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:09, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Except most mesmer players use the same bar everywhere, which is a pity. Koda Kumi 15:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Most likely because changing bars becomes a hassle after a while. --Adul 11:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

It takes like 10 seconds to load a bar, srsly. — Raine Valen 15:31, 18 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Yes well, after 5 years of playing the game I hardly go online anymore, and when I do I still find spending even 10 seconds on my bar a hassle. Guess it all depends on what your preferences are. --Adul 16:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

AND THIS is why they buffed mesmers. so people can load one bar never change it and not have to take an ele because mesmers do armor ignoring damage + shutdowns. Rogueonion 16:04, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

AND whats more LOl how about they do something about the speed clears in elite missions? its impossible to get a party going for those without spending hours of our time putting one together and if you do not do a "speed clear" everyone is too elite to go. Rogueonion 17:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Rogueonion, I agree with you. Nobody wants to have "fun" with a mission any more. Its always a speed clear, and if you dont know how to do it, you're called a noob and ignored. Message me in game next time you want to do something. I'm in Pacific time zone and my guild does the Zaishen Missions and Zaishen Bounties every night. Malganis Frostmourn 69.232.41.202 07:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

it says you do not exist. Rogueonion 17:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Try it now. Koda Kumi 18:13, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Anet Here

Hey guys did you see our new demo at gamescon? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 03:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

they had a gw1 demo? that's pretty neat. -Auron 04:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Your probably being sarcastic, but there is a rare video on youtube. here. It's obviously not the best quality. --Dominator Matrix 05:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, Auron's just being a dick. Sardaukar 05:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

thats wot makes him pro, unlike that sven troll --ilr 15:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

>wot Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

not kidding, U troll me w/o even trying, and I'm pretty hard 2 troll --ilr 15:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

That link still isn't GW1. Auron was implying that this belongs on a Guild Wars 2 site. GW2 Wiki or GW2 Guru. --Wafflepanda 05:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

After so much hard effort being put into the design of our purple dragon of plastic, we are very glad to see our fans in such a buzz! Woot! See you at pax! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 18:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Hai2u "anet". Can you please tell Izzy to either a) stop sucking at pvp or to b) leave it alone if he can´t fix the mistakes he´s made. Nice vid btw, I´m all pumped for GW2! Rolain1 22:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Hai Rolain, you might not know it but Izzy is not working on GW1 balance anymore.. for a pretty long time. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 23:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually we told him to ignore everything about GW1 and work his magic on GW2 instead. In fact anyone who pays any attention to anything we've done in the last 6 years is going to get fired! This is to ensure that we deliver the best MMORPG you've ever saweded. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 01:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, that's good to hear! I am glad you are not wasting resources on a dead game. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 02:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Rightio, then let the person who is in charge of PvP know that they are very, very bad. Rolain1 22:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I'm too busy copy-pasting code from WoW! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Could you keep all this super funny stuff in your userspace? I'd enjoy not having to look around everywhere for your hilarious and relevant posts. Thanks! -Cursed Angel 19:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

We have a page dedicated for this sort of thing, here it is Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 05:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the update!.. LOL jks, there was none. --122.111.229.110 08:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Is there a reason there haven't been any updates in 3 weeks? 74.74.173.10 16:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I assume because of Their trip to germany and seattle, all the demo work that they are doing and because as people keep reminding us. GW1 is dead. Rogueonion 18:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, I have to agree with that last statement, everything that is being done is just advertising for GW2, but I have to cut Anet some slack, they are not like WoW with their oodles of money, they are doing as much as they can with the budget and time they have and that is interpreted as the slow death of GW... Zungx 19:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)