Talk:Guild Wars Eye of the North/Archive 1

Hints

Binky's Spelling Adventure????? wha???,, show me where you found these "hints" ~ Kurd14:17, 17 February 2007 (PST)

Due to the re-creation of this page, I would like to know where these hints are in the present time and whether they are official or not, not counting a manual created 2 years ago. Granted, C4 can be based on events from past campaigns, but that does not necessarily mean it is the case for C4, unless there is factual and documented present day information. — Gares 10:02, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Chapter 4 will be based somewhere and some stuff will happen to some people. PvPers will hate PvEers. --Snograt 10:06, 2 March 2007 (EST)

PvPers already hate PvEers. Vlad 12:12, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Stereotypes and bad experiences all round huh ;p — Skuld 12:16, 2 March 2007 (EST)

It wouldn't be a stereotype if there was no truth to it.  :) Vlad 12:22, 2 March 2007 (EST)

If you want to discuss the deletion of this article, do so, else take the PvP/PvE debate to a forum or a relevant place for it. I suggest taking the PvEer stereotype discussion to the Halls. I will set one thing straight, from my observations, the stereotypes swing both ways. — Gares 13:26, 2 March 2007 (EST)

I agree, I do both types of gameplay and its amusing watching each side pick at each other, especially the not-so-great players ;p — Skuld 14:07, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Eek, I forgot to add the <Irony> tags! Will be more serious in future, soz. --Snograt 14:49, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Just noticed this line of comments, and I was curious... why do PvP'ers and PvE'ers hate each other? For the most part, they don't even interact, except for those who swing both ways (like I will when I finish getting all the titles I want). What kind of prejudices do they have? Alaris 15:12, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

It's just one of those things - see vitually every post at GWO and GWG. PvPers tend to hate changes made to improve PvE gameplay and vice-versa. It's pretty bizarre really, but some people are just not happy unless they have someone to rail at. My initial comment here was purely for humourous effect, but it whooshed by overhead ^_^ Live and let live would be my motto - I PvE and enjoy it; if somebody else enjoys PvP, then great - to each their own. --Snograt 15:24, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Reset indent. OIC. Thanks for info. Alaris 15:37, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

PvPers and PvE'ers don't hate each other. At least I think so... I don't even pay attention to nerfs. Every nerf has always been in my favor, being an AoE Fire ele who rarely uses Searing Flames. Actually I'm one of the rare few who finds themselves in between PvE and PvP, and I sure don't hate myself. :P Alreajk

Clearly you don't. Going to Random Arenas or the occasional GvG / HA with a totally unprepared team doesn't count as PvP. If you knew elitists from both areas (such as myself), you'd know all the resent pvpers have for pvers. PvE titles are frowned upon in high level PvP, and PvE tend to not like PvPers in their parties, because of all the preparation and order PvPers bring.

Modest. And also, PvE teams are prepared and ordered too, its just a few that arent. Its the same for PvP too. brains12 17:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Please can we not get into the pvp vs. pve debate. It won't go anywhere, it's an age old debate. Let's just agree to disagree on this one. --Lemming64 17:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Rumors

Preserving talk page of a deleted article

Probably the most stupidest page i have ever seen on any wiki ~ Kurd11

26, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Agreed. Rumors belong in talk pages and user pages, not the main article space. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 11:41, 4 March 2007 (EST)

However, has anyone seen this:- [1]? I'm at work, so I can't access Guildwars.com (anti-fun filter) so I don't know if there's any correlation there. Is the accuracy of Inquirer.net articles a known quantity? Sounds convincing... --Snograt 13:47, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Nothing from GW.com. Of course, as you've probably already noticed, the abbreviation is GW:EN (get it?), so I'm not putting a huge amount of value in it. Either way, it doesn't belong on the wiki, at least until it's officially announced. Pepe talk 13:51, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Or maybe the GW:EN is reason to believe it's actually correct. ;-) (because that storyline arc will most likely be resolved there, with hints dropped in C3 too) -- Jonas N 16:47, 5 March 2007 (EST)

I wonder if the news of GW:EN was supposed to be released on April first... --Rainith 16:57, 5 March 2007 (EST)

FYI: Look at the site registration data for Eyeofthenorth.org ... registerred Feb 20th to NCSoft. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:08, 5 March 2007 (EST)

The information in the article is dubious at best. The article says that a previous version of Guild Wars will be required. That would contradict Arenanet's current model. 50 PvE only skills? Also uncharacteristic. The tone of the article has "flamebait" written all over it. -Spot 17:15, 5 March 2007 (EST)

There is precedent for this sort of expansion - the entire Sorrows Furnace area was added between campaigns - and it really sounds more like that sort of thing. And the registered URL at www.eyeofthenorth.org does lend support to the theory.

Still, the URL could be in regards to any NCsoft franchise - there's nothing linking it other than an article that states "NCSoft has announced", despite the fact that nothing yet from ArenaNet or NCsoft in their press releases to support the claim that they've announced anything like this. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:21, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Sorrow's Furnace did not contain 150 new skills. -Spot 17:29, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Edit conflict ...

I'm not saying the article is correct. I've pointed out more than a few inconsistencies in the article elsewhere (among others: no trademark registration, reference to multi-level "Dungeons", the suggestion that GW2 is a chance to update the graphics engine when early press releases pre-Prophecies commented on the updatability of the known graphics engine, etc). But, discounting something on the basis that it's not in line with past releases seems odd to me. Pre Nightfall, the same argument could've been given for the concept of Heroes. And Nightfall did introduce several PvE only skills (Junundu skills, Lightbringer's Gaze, etc) so that concept isn't out of the question.

My guess is that the article contains some grains of truth, but likely got many of the specific details wrong. How many details are right/wrong is yet to be seen, and I'm not believing any of it as factual until I see something more official from NCsoft or Arenanet. I've seen far too many of these sorts of things for several different games to be willing to take this article at its word. And I would advise others not to read much of it as fact unless and until it's confirmed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:30, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Just read Gaile's post on GWO (linky), seems like at least some is true and we will know how much in about ten days ^^ — Anja 18:28, 5 March 2007 (EST)

GWG post for people like me who don't go to GWO - [2] --Aspectacle 18:43, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Is it me or is Gaile extremely excited about this next campaign? Read the posts above lol. Looking forward to some great work by Anet. :D — BlackGeneral File:Blackgeneralstar.png (talk|contribs) 07:53, 6 March 2007 (EST)

I've been posting a lot in the GWGuru discussion thread. I don't count The Inquirer as a legit news source, though some aspects of this idea seem true, such as the setting is a good possibility. The whole GW2 bit and GW "going on hiatus" I completely discount as valid information, however. IIRC, I've heard somewhere that ArenaNet will continue to release new chapters for GW until there is no point in making anymore. Guild Wars is in fact flourishing more than ever and I see no reason for them to be starting a sequel so quickly. Eldin 18:52, 6 March 2007 (EST)

The Sims 3 is in development, yet I think The Sims 2 has expansion pack life left in it. Think it's too early? Windows Vienna is also somewhere in the pipeline. -- Dashface 20:43, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Has any one noticed that the title is GW:EN gwen anyone??

You are the ... I think around 50st who noticed that, so yes. Sir Bertrand 13:17, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Trademark

Every once in a while, I look at The website for the US Patent and Trademark Office. This morning, I did a scan and found that "GUILD WARS: EYE OF THE NORTH" has been trademarked. Details:

Word Mark GUILD WARS: EYE OF THE NORTH

Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Providing entertainment in the nature of electronic games, and multiplayer electronic gaming, and multiplayer game competitions, all by means of electronic or optical communications networks; providing information, electronic publications, online portal services and advice, all by means of electronic or optical networks, in the fields of electronic entertainment, games, amusement type activity games and multiplayer game competitions; providing a website featuring online computer games, musical performances, musical videos, related film clips, photographs and other multimedia materials; electronic publishing services, namely, development and dissemination of text and graphic works by means of electronic or optical communications networks, featuring entertainment in the field of games

Standard Characters Claimed

Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK

Design Search Code

Serial Number 77122933

Filing Date March 6, 2007

Current Filing Basis 1B

Original Filing Basis 1B

Owner (APPLICANT) NCsoft Corporation CORPORATION REPUBLIC OF KOREA SEUNG KWANG BUILDING 157-33 SAMSEONG-DONG GANGNAM-GU SEOUL, 135-090 REPUBLIC OF KOREA

Attorney of Record Peter J. Willsey

Type of Mark SERVICE MARK

Register PRINCIPAL

Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

So now we have two sources supporting the new campaign name. The rest of the Inquirer's info is still in question, but at least one part that ArenaNet said was correct from their story has been confirmed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:42, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Oops! I was so surprised to see the trademark info on "Guild Wars: Eye of the North", that I didn't notice at first that they've also trademarked "Guild Wars 2". --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:42, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Barek writes, "Every once in a while, I look at The website for the US Patent and Trademark Office."

Someone needs to do a little more work at the office and a little less surfing through patents and domain registering. :p

Good job though! The title Eye of the North sounds like something from DnD travelling around the Spine of the World. Maybe Gares needs to go shopping for some long john's. :D — Gares 13:23, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

LOL ... in my defense, I posted that before driving into work this morning.  :-) --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 13:25, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

But interestingly, no trademark on Guild Wars Prophecies. Seems they never bothered to get that one. Not being a lawyer, I wonder whether Guild Wars 2,3,4,... are not automatically protected if you protect guild wars. Otherwise, why did they not secure all combinations? --Xeeron 13:52, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Dammit.. too slow. I noticed the tradmark too this morning, I was wondering whether it was 'official' enough to make a page for it. (BTW, I *can't* imagine that (G)uild (W)ars: (E)ye of the (N)orth was accidental, can you?) Vladtheemailer 14:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

*whispers* Gwen escaped the Searing, leaving behind her tattered cape and broken flute, travelled north, grew into a young woman trained in the ways of one of the new classes, and will become a staple of the expansion's storyline. :p — Gares 14:18, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I think Gwen will be the final boss of the new expansion. I mean, she's already killed me once (BWE, in you guys didn't know/remember), why not give her another chance? Pepe talk 14:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

hehehe - I still get a chuckle out of this jpg and this movie. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Hmm... 150 New skills, 50 which are PvE only, 8 multi-level dungeons, 40 new armor sets, 10 new Heroes... Awesome - no new profession to screw everything up. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 02:45, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Info

Info on this and GW2 is all over the fansites now I'd say, PCGamer has arrived in US :P I'll leave to someone else to sum it up though, I'm not good at that. — Anja 19:46, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Well, it's not exactly going to be Campaign 4, rather an expansion to the previous three ones. I'm not sure the name of this article is fitting anymore... Erasculio 20:05, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Yep, but we can at least go ahead and rename it to Eye of the North. -FireFox File:Firefoxav.png 20:10, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Yes, Gaile has been allowed to start talking of it on the boards now. Besides the name, lots of other info made official now too, even if we were to exclude PC Gamer. Agreed that this is also clarified officially now that it's not a chapter, but called an "expansion". -- Jonas N 20:27, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Updated the page with information posted to fan sites. Information is a bit fuzzy about the actual setting so if someone has a better idea please rewrite! (It sounds like it is only set in Tyria (the prophecies continent rather than the tyria the world), but also says that it is set across all existing campaign continents. The summary is so awful on GwG I can't make my mind up on what is the correct interpretation.) --Aspectacle 20:32, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

I added more info, only from the material here. I didn't go further with the Gaile quotes though (note that a lot of those there concern GW2, not GW:EN), but rather the PC Gamer material only. -- Jonas N 21:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

I removed the bit about the level increase. Gaile has said no level increase for Eye of the North. --Aspectacle 22:05, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

There is no level increase in GWEN, however, all content ought to be for level 20 people. I think that was what I wrote? Otherwise, I think it should be clarified to say that and added. --Jonas N 04:21, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Further could someone please explain what "during the holidays" 2007 means to someone living in Australia? June - August is that right? --Aspectacle 22:28, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

"During the holydays" is pretty vague, it could refer to either the summer holidays or the fall / winter holidays starting with Thanksgiving in late November, the second possibility is more likely. -- Gordon Ecker 05:02, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Christmas is a holiday too *looks sad* — Anja 05:41, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Ah - so it seems people don't really have any idea what timing they actually meant my that statement. It seems so informative, but it really isn't. Smart move by Anet. :p --Aspectacle 05:51, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Hey, I'm on holiday this week :D --Snograt 15:41, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

If the info had come from NCSoft, I would guess that a summer release were possible. But, with the ArenaNet being based in the USA, I would guess that American usage of the term in more likely. Where in the rest of the world people may say they're on holiday - in the US they say their on vacation. The more common use of the term "During the Holidays" in the USA is to refer to the fourth quarter of a year (Oct, Nov, & Dec). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:30, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Has anyone found out when the exact release date is? Play.com have it listed as the 1st September '07, but I expect this is purely a guideline and shouldn't be heavily relied upon. --- Ibiris 05:00, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Sylvari

→ moved from Talk:Guild Wars 2#Sylvari

The article about GW:EN on guildwars.com dont mention Silvaris and it talk as if GW2 will have only 3 races (aside from humans i suppose), Asura, Norns and Chars. PC Gamer infos about both games have been mixup (in my head at the least). Can someone shed some light on this ? — TůζipVõrζąx Talk

It's from the Kotaku article. It sounds like they won't play a major role in Eye of the North though. -- Gordon Ecker 04:34, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

actually, there will likely be more than 5 races in GW2

The PC Gamer article mentions "some" of the playable races in GW 2 - I wouldn't be surprised if there were more. The article on the official site about GW:EN does not mention Sylvaris, but the PC Gamer article mentions that they are a new race in GW2, and the Kotaku article spoils that they will likely be born at the end of GW:EN. Erasculio 09:26, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Also, the PC Gamer says that GW:EN acts as a bridge to GW2, in that in introduces the new races, sets the backgound story, and adds the hall of monuments. Gaile (if I remember correctly) said that the Sylvari are the biggest teaser, which sounds as well that they'll be in GW:EN at some point. I'm willing to bet that they'll have at least a hero of each new playable race. Alaris 01:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

are sylvari similar to the night elves in warcraft?

Sounds like they are

In that they are close to nature and have larger-than-normal ears? I doubt that the females will be able to disappear, or that the males will be able to shape-shift. And if you accuse GW of stealing ideas, at least go as far back as Tolkien, if not further :) Alaris 01:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

They've got the pointy ears and the skimpy outfits. They don't have the long history, the cool glowing eyes or those freaky eyebrow / antenna things either. Hopefully the guys won't have arms like the Incredible Hulk. What kind of elf has Hulk arms? -- Gordon Ecker 02:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Speak for yourself! My night elf (for the 1 week trial I played WoW) had the skimpy outfit too :) But I agree, there's a good reason why Schwartzenegger didn't play as an elf... there's not WAY he could run on snow without falling into it. Alaris 02:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Sylvari plural already? I thought I had read it somewhere as that. - BeX 01:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Well yeah as in, "The Sylvari are a peaceful..." Like that. They would be Sylvarian =) -- File:Blackgeneralstar.png (General | Talk) 01:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Well as long as there is documented proof then a couple of words in the article need fixing. ;) - BeX 01:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Im thinking the same about "Charrs", "Asuras", "Norns". THey just dont sound right. And im almost 100% sure that Charr is the plural, not Charrs

I believe "Sylvarians" was only used in the Inquirer article, which also used "Norns" and "Asurians". -- Gordon Ecker 00:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Character Slots

Will you be able to get more character slots in GW:EN, like you do when you add more campaigns to you account?Lord Abyss 14:08, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Who know ? Even Gaile was hoping for it in Kamadan inter1 on April foul. I have screenie of their chat if needed. But sometimes i wonder if she wouldn't know a little more than she says. ;-) — TůζipVõrζąx Talk 22:36, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm also wondering about the character slots. I'm pretty tempted to buy slots right now, so I suppose they'd rather not tell me so soon and hope that I'd buy :D -- ab.er.rant 03:33, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

No char slots in EotN. See Gaile/Frog Talk/20070425 (third from the end). --Dirigible 03:37, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

HoM additions

"The Hall of Monuments, a place to transfer unique titles, companions, armors and miniatures to Guild Wars 2" When did that about companions, minis and armors pop up and from where? Was that in the Magazine article? Wiking 16:33, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Kokatu.com [Kokatu.com/GW2] Mortix

"Guild Wars: Eye of the North" shortening

On the Missions, Quests, Maps and Storyline we could easily do something like Missions (Prophecies), Quests (Factions), Maps (Nightfall), etc... How are we going to represent Eye of the North?

Possible options:

1. Quests (Eye of the North)
2. Quests (EotN)
3. Quests (GWEN)
4. Quests (GW:EN) (would the colon in GW:EN pose a problem btw?)

Personally, I'd go for option #3, eventhough it's the only one that also has "GW" in it. —MarkL (talk - contribs) 17:03, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

I'd be against #3 (and #4) exactly because they have the letters "GW". It's superfluous info to have there, I think. :) I'd probably go with #1 as my first choice (simply because it reads better and is more natural), and #2 if we absolutely need to shorten it somehow.

By the way, pages like Missions (Prophecies), Quests (Factions) and Maps (Nightfall) are actually misnamed (the first two are already simply redirects, we'll get that Maps (Nightfall) too one of these days.) Per Formatting/Article names they should actually be called Prophecies missions, Factions quests, Nightfall maps or something along those lines. And in this context, Eye of the North quests would again read better than GWEN quests, in my opinion. --Dirigible 17:36, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Ah, I completely missed the redirect :-S In that case it even would be List of Eye of the North quests, etc... —MarkL (talk - contribs) 17:41, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Something like that, yep. By the way, the List of... part is a Rezykean creation, disagreement on that goes here. I personally am indifferent about it, even though it does make the title somewhat longer, it still reads better and makes more sense than Missions (Prophecies). If you got any better ideas on how to do that tho, now's the time as the Article names formatting guide isn't approved yet. :) --Dirigible 17:52, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

The only problem with that is that quests are represented by the actual region your in ie: Ascalon Quests

"Region quests" are a subcategory of "Campaign quests" afaik. - BeX 09:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Beta?

I do not know if this has already been addressed but will there be a beta test of Eye of the North? Morimoto 22:17, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

I'd bet my bottom dollar on it. Incidentally, what was that Link title you edited in at the top of this page? --Snograt 22:29, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

What link title? I might of hit the wrong key when ediying...oops 23:38, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Beta? For GWEN? I doubt it actually. Beta for GW2, yes; but not for GWEN. It's just an expansion. Preview event, probably. -- ab.er.rant 00:19, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Heh, preview event == beta. Allasame, innit? --Snograt 05:45, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Supposedly, do not hold me to this, Gaile Gray said that GW:EN Beta emails have been out since December, however I have not received one, I am assuming that this is a rumor, anyone want to shed some light? Mortix 07:42, 7 May 2007 (EDT))

Actually, those were Alpha emails, not Beta emails. The preview event will probably be the only form of open-beta testing, especially since this is an expansion, not a campaign. Beta for GW 2 is already confirmed from multiple sources. Alreajk 19:13, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

The posts in question are archived here. -- Gordon Ecker 19:59, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Idiot-Proof

"This could possibly allude to Gwen, as she is the only young girl you met in Prophecies." Are you joking me? Why is "could possibly allude" in that sentence. OF COURSE it is Gwen, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Not only because of the reason GIVEN IN THE SENTENCE, but LOL. 3 indications of possibility on something that is a sure thing? COME ON. This is like bureaucracy overload. Seriously, anyone foolish enough to believe this refers to someone else should really not post their opinions online. >.> (No offense to the poster, I just want it removed, for OBVIOUS and stated reasons) --Omigawa 13:50, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

I have to say that I agree with you here, originally this trivia said:

"Another bit of trivia. You will run into characters you met in the past in Eye of the North. One character has been confirmed. The character is an adult and the only hint we can give you is that you met her as a young girl in Prophecies."

After reading this I decided it did not sound correct so I then cleaned it up a tiny bit removing the "Another bit of a trivia" part and making some gramatical changes. After this someone else added the "this could possibly allude to..." part, and looking back on the page history I can see that there have also been many more edits to this after that aswell. But to be honest after all this I think it would really be much more simple and sensible if this trivia was simply changed to something along the lines of "It has been anounced that in Guild Wars Eye of the North Gwen shall play a role in the story" making sure there is a link on the name "Gwen" so that anyone who is unaware of who gwen is may then look at the page written about her. --File:User Wacked 1 Link Sprite.gif Wacked 1 14:04, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Was there an actual announcement from ArenaNet that explicitly states that Gwen will be in GW:EN? -- ab.er.rant 01:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

If gaile referring to the picture in the mag as gwen counts -FireFox File:Firefoxav.png 01:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed the "It has been confirmed that..." part. Since ARENANET has not said it is Gwen directly, its not 'confirmed'. I do think 100% that it IS Gwen, but it is not 'confirmed'... only strongly hinted at. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Counciler .

Character slots

Gaile Gray has stated that there will be no new character slots in GW:EN, as they are "unnecessary" with no new classes being released. Thus, I am adding this to the page and removing the comment that this information is presently unknown. ~ Kailianna Firesoul 15:01, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

NOOOOOOOO !!!! Sorry, I had to let it out... I was waiting for an extra slot to make a PvP char. Thanks for the info. Alaris 15:05, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

hehe, yeh i was there when she metioned this once. Kinda annoying but I can see why there is no reason for them i suppose :P. --File:User Wacked 1 Link Sprite.gif Wacked 1 15:08, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

From Dev Chat

Wasnt that a fantastic chat that gamespy put on for us?... the only thing i think was worthy in it was that there is going to be Asura Chess in the game. whitehike 20:20, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

agreed. although there so cute I think I would feel guilty to beat one of them in a game of it (not that I could xD) --File:User Wacked 1 Link Sprite.gif Wacked 1 20:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Box Art

I was at an EB games store on Tuesday and they already have boxes on display and by the sounds of it you can already pre-order it.
Sorry about the poor quality, all I had was my phone with me, also this EB store is in Sydney, Australia.

-- Scourge 00:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

A good quality of the box art, both front & back, would be nice. Also, it would be nice if you could ask the store owners if there's going to be a collector's edition. Thanks for the info. I've updated the GWEN page with EB Games info. I'm so excited! Hey, wait, it's still 3 months early... waaaaaaah... Alaris 03:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

It's the same image used on the website. It's pretty poor quality tbh, looks really unfinished like it wasn't intended to be seen that close. - BeX 04:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll see if I can grab a box next time I go in and scan it or something. -- Scourge 05:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

According to this it's not official. I agree with Bexor about the quality, it looks to me like the store has created their own box art using images from the official website. AT 05:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

yay! Its coming soon and I cant wait! Thanks scourge for this pic btw, and yeah next time your in the store try and get some info or something that would great! --File:User Wacked 1 Link Sprite.gif Wacked 1 20:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Disagreement about name

i dont think the expansion should b GWEN. when u talk in game to other players about campaigns most ppl dont say "GWP", "GWF" and "GWNF" its Prof, Fact (or factions) and NF. therefore, in accordance with already generally accepted short-forming, i think the expansion should be shorted to EoTN. (calling it gewn just becuase of one character is not only dumb, its sad as well.) (imo of course.) -BuG- (24.71.223.149)

It isn't shortened on the article page. Its just what some people call it. Its not really dumb either. GW:NF GW:P GW:F I have seen on forums all over. -- File:Blackgeneralstar.png (General | Talk) 05:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually GW:EN was used in the May 25th news update on guildwars.com. -- Gordon Ecker 07:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Calling it dumb won't get you any support. I find GWEN easier to type than EotN. And no, I don't refer to this as EotN in-game. And I think Proph if more common. Claiming popularity is very subjective. You might want to scroll up about 7 sections and find a discussion on this that was long over. -- ab.er.rant 00:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Doorways

I found a broken doorway in the south of the forum highlands, and my first thought is that this might be a way into GW:EN. It had an odd glow to it too. It is not part of a quest, and you can't go through it. Are there hidden doorways elsewhere, perhaps in Tyria? Alaris 14:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you just found a "Do Not Touch". -- ab.er.rant 15:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, there is a "do not touch" next to it, and I forgot to take it. I'll return to get it. However, might is also act as a gateway to the GW:EN undergrounds?!? Alaris 15:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

That might be possible, but I'd go with no. The door was specifically added for the "Do Not Touch". Just like the pile of treasure in Bahdok Caverns. -- ab.er.rant 17:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

There's also a closed gate somewhere in the north at the edge of Barbarous Shore, this might also be a entrance. And it had no 'Do Not Touch' and such. -- Mepp 16:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yea, but I think it just looks more like leading to the parts to the east of Elona. It's just Kournan scenery, imho, as there are several such gates spread out in different areas of Kourna that has locked gates. Again, imho, to get to GW:EN locations, it'll be like the existing cross-campaign quests, whereby a new NPC will appear in a certain town or outpost, and you'll get a quest from them. When you accept, you get teleported to the expansion area. That would be how it is. But of course, there's nothing stopping them from making one of these closed doors leading into the underground areas either. -- ab.er.rant 04:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that if they were to do a "gate" of sorts into the dungeon areas, it would be placed in the first areas a character came from, prophecies maybe the tombs in ascalon open up for example whitehike 04:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

True, but that's just the entrance. There's also no reason they can't create additional connections between the campaigns, like the Crystal Overlook-Arid Sea connection. -- ab.er.rant 16:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

@ab.er.rant: No, they most certainly WERE NOT. They were always there, even before the addition of keyless chests. You can search old posts on GWO and GWG dating before keyless, and you'll find people talking about the glowing doors.Kstarfire 22:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok then. It's better to continue a discussion at the bottom, rather than inserting it in the middle of an older discussion. -- ab.er.rant 08:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Heroes of Ascalon (GW:EN)

→ moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

Hi Gaile, obviously you can't give us any spoilers plot-wise, but as a fan of the characters, I have to ask; are Devona & Co. featured in EotN? Regardless as to if they're henchmen, heroes or NPCs, if you've got any information on the subject, I'd love to know :) Thanks!   (Goldenboy / Talk) 22:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

o.o i wan't mhenlo as a hero, or Cynn. !! :) Eve? Can I have Adam? BLASTEDT 23:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

You know, I had not thought to ask about whether our story heroes will be returning! I'll see if we can speak about that in the near future. I'm pretty fond of that lot, so I would like it if they did return. But I don't know if we should limit it to Cynn, Devona, Aiden, and that lot. Surely everyone wants to see Rurik again! ;p --Gaile 07:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

OH HO! Is that a hint or something?! Hmmmm....... whoah..... anyway, if Devona and gang comes back, can we have their quotes to have the same feel as from the Prophecies or Factions campaign rather than Nightfall? I thought their "feel" in Nightfall deviated from the first two campaigns. -- ab.er.rant 08:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

No hints. I never hint. *ahem* Seriously, my comment about Rurik is just based on wondering how a supposedly-battle-trained crown prince can act like such a nub. :)

Anyway, tell me how Nightfall was different? I'm assuming dialogue -- can you explain a bit more? I'll be happy to pass along your thoughts. --Gaile 08:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

(Firstly, thank for the response!) I'd imagine what he means is the fact that they didn't really have a role in Nightfall, other than adding to the henchmen roster and replacing Timera & Abasi. They kind of just felt like extras in NF, but in Prophecies and Factions, they felt like your friends & allies; they were progressing as you were, seeking Ascension, helping refugees, picking a faction...In effect, they felt just like other players, rather than NPCs. I think it's that aspect that many people miss.   (Goldenboy / Talk) 20:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I think Devona & Co. also had major personality changes in their quotes in Nightfall. I cant remember the examples offhand, but I remember people talking about how certain of them had "..inconsistencies with their background and previous quotes...". Sorry I cant provide more explanation, hehe. --Counciler

Interesting feedback with good details that help me understand what you mean. I'll pass that along to the writers. --Gaile 08:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

About the inconsistencies Counciler, I still have them nicely ranted on in my user page on GuildWiki :) And tip: You sign by typing ~~~~ ;) -- ab.er.rant 08:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Trailer

It looks official, but I can't find a higher-res version on guildwars.com. Maybe it's from one of the non-english sites. -- Gordon Ecker 00:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

A trailer. Are you talking about the IGN Dungeon Montage video? --Andyana 16:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope, he was talking about the Youtube video I believe. Someone else added the Montage later on. -- ab.er.rant 16:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it turns out the YouTube video is from IGN. -- Gordon Ecker 01:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

oh cool could you add link to the youtube trailer please?--File:User Wacked 1 Link Sprite.gif Wacked 1 21:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's actually the third link from the top in "External Links". I'll go and edit that link to make it clearer that it's on YouTube. -- ab.er.rant 08:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Release date

I removed the following from the notes section: "Eye of the North can be seen at the EBGames web site as a pre-release at USD 39.99 (expected ship date 31 Aug 2007)."
I did this for two reasons. First, this link gives a single retailer preferential placement in the article (advertising), and second, release dates listed by retailers are notoriously inaccurate.
We should just wait for the legitimate official date and list that, once it's announced. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Any news of whether we'll be able to buy a printed strategy guide (Prima Guides or otherwise) ? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Alaris .

No. And why would you even want an easily outdated printed material when you have TWO wikis? -- ab.er.rant 18:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

That's like buying a catalogue with limited information when you can take a second to walk to the store..

Sometimes they have lore and nice pictures. - BeX 03:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

First of all, outdated information are likely to be mostly in the form of rather small tweaks. Skills will still do the same effects overall, even though their costs, damage, or durations might differ. Second of all, I'd like to have something printed I can browse for info when not at the computer, or when it's easier to have it open while playing. Flipping from GW to GWW is possible, but still annoying. Third, there are things in those books that you wouldn't normally find just searching for answers on a wiki. Finally, I rarely buy those books, but I will buy it if it comes out for GW:EN because the game itself is aimed at high-level players. Alaris 13:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

On the European offical site of Guild Wars there is a announcement with the release date of EotN... I don't know if it's on the American one too (too lazy too check :P). It says 31th of August... too bad my summer vacation has ended by then :( -- Mepp 15:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Armor Speculation

So we know with the release that new armor sets will be released, the design of these are currently unknown which makes it all the more exciting. But, do you think the new armor sets will be harder to obtain or rarer than FoW (Obsidian) armor or just new designs not requiring such effort.

I really wouldn't want to farm for obsidian armor just for it to not become the "best" in a couple of months.

Thanks 86.132.46.114 21:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I doubt that anything would replace Obsidian armor as uber-prestige but you might find something like Vabbian price wise. - BeX 01:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Which sux darn it. I'm out of gold for going after skill hunter :D And I'm too lazy to farm. Not to mention that it's extremely boring. -- ab.er.rant 07:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe if they add the other three divine realms we might see something in the Obsidian price range, otherwise, I don't think we'll see anything more expensive than Vabbian. -- Gordon Ecker 09:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Source for rumours

From the article ...

• (No official announcement yet) There will be a preview pack for Eye of the North. This will include: Access to the Sneak Peak Weekend that runs from August 24th–26th and three exclusive weapons (Glacial Blade, Hourglass Staff and Darksteel Longbow).
• (No official announcement yet) New God realms in Eye of the North are possible, but not confirmed.

There are no new character slots or professions. What's the source for these? -- Gordon Ecker 09:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The first is from a retailer site, can't find the link atm but it can be found in a recent thread on GWO. The other two are taken from Gaile logs. - anja (contribs) 09:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Here is the source: http://www.gameseek.co.uk/pd/PCvkerk1e6zec/

And here is the link to the Gaile talk for god realms: Gaile/Frog Talk/20070425. The "no profession" and "no char slots" have been stated so many times and I think it's also in the FAQ now, so that's not a rumor. - anja (contribs) 12:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Sys Reqs

Any news on the sys reqs for GW:EN. They increased them with nightfall and I'm worried that my shitty processor might not cut it for GW:EN. The game was designed for 56k which has been said many times already so that's comforting but still... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:69.141.233.219 .

It's on the FAQ on the official website. Good luck! Alaris 01:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Just made it. :D