Talk:Hero's Handbook

I did my norn primary quest in sneak peak event so I cant get it registered in hero's handbook? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:88.193.68.228 (talk).

Primary Quests in GWEN are repeatable. --Cynaes 12:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Do we have to do Blood Washes Blood, Curse of the Nornbear and A Gate Too Far all over again to have them included in the book?? --Pulse 15:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems that *any* primary quest that you did without the book in your possession need to be redone (and if you trash your book, you need to redo them.. AGAIN)... Is this a bug or intentional? -- Outpost (talk | contrib) 22:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It depends on what the item's for. If you can turn it in for rep when it's full then it's probably intentional. If you can't turn it in for rep and the item's merely a personal trophy then it's probably a bug. We won't find out until more people complete Eye of the North. -- Gordon Ecker 23:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not a bug

I just completed my handbook; if you try to turn it in, you'll lose it and get 2500 faction for the title track of the guy that you turn it in to. Then, I'm assuming you can get another, and repeat all the primary quests for another 2500 faction. Interesting method of making repeatable quests for faction farming. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Talon Drakke (talk).

These books are lame, the 2500 faction reward is not worth it at all to complete all the missions, they should be used for getting items or something cool, they are completely worthless now. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:130.215.238.136 (talk).

I'm guessing they didn't adjust the reward up when they lowered the reward for mission completion. -- Gordon Ecker 05:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

You can get more than 1000 points just by clearing one area. And they give 2500 points for making 11 missions? I don't know what they are doing in Anet. But it seems that someone there is having problems at home and it's paying it frustrating players or something like that. MithranArkanere 20:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I personally dont really want to clear out areas multiple times to farm the points, that and I tend to help guild and alliance mates out a lot so I can easily fill this up multiple times and get the free 2500 pts and not think twice about actually farming the points. 68.104.205.160 09:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Me too, I'd prefer redoing quests and missions to get the reputation rather than farming monsters. It's always nice to have different ways of getting reputation. Alaris 16:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks anet

for making this essentially hidden to those who simply didnt "ask for written evidence". i didnt even find out about this thing until i randomly found this wiki AFTER i just spent 20+ hours beating the game. once again, thank you! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.182.76.37 (talk).

Just as angry, thank you. --Zathic 16:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

exactly! Where do I go to get my missing pages filled out? Once Great King 18:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Text from the Handbook

Should we add the text from the handbook here? It would be a nice summary of the storyline of GW:EN.. Me55enger 10:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

That sould be added to each mission entry.. poke | talk 08:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Bug in the Hero Handbook and Dungeon Master Guide

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I had completed the Norn portion of the expansion (Curse of the Nornbear, Blood Washes Blood, A Gate Too Far) during the preview and completed Northern Allies. Northern Allies shows up as having been completed in the Hero Handbook but the other three do now show up as completed despite being marked completed on my map. I know there was a bug present right after launch that did not show the little completion flags on the map. That's been corrected but it seems the Hero Handbook is bugged now. Right now I should have everything done but the last two entries as I'm at the point where I go summon the Great Dwarf.

• Similar to the Hero Handbook, the Dungeon Master Guide also seems to be bugged in the same way. I completed Raven's Point during the preview and it shows up as being completed on the map (with a little treasure icon)...but in the Dungeon Master Guide it shows that I haven't completed any Dungeons.--Thor79••Talk 02:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a bug, you need to have the book's on you so that you can record you're achievements. Since the books were unavailable during preview you couldn't record what you did. If you want a full book you can repeat the quests and dungeons with the book with you. --ChronicinabilitY 02:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes this is not a bug, you didn't have the book to record it, you can re do them to get the record. by the sounds of it you can get the books again and again and repeat all the quests to your hearts content. --Lemming 02:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

May not be a bug, but considering the books were not available during the Preview Weekend...there was no way for me to record it...the quests they were involved in still counted them. If the handbook had been available I definitely would have had one with me. So why can't the quests be added to the Handbook retroactively. If the quests counted them then the handbook should count them too. I'd just like to hear from Gaile whether or not they intended to force us to redo the quests again just to get a complete Handbook.--Thor79••Talk 07:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It's because the books can be filled out and then turned in for reputation (not much though, I'm guessing that they decided on the rep amount before they decided to lower the rep rewards for GW:EN missions), after which you can another blank copy, fill it in, turn it in for rep and so on. -- Gordon Ecker 09:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I figured there was some sort of reward for turning it in. That still doesn't address my point though...did the devs want to force us to repeat the quests if we were just aiming at completing one book. I just don't feel I should be forced to do the mission twice when it wasn't my fault I didn't have a book to record it in. Gaile...was forcing us to do the Norn quests twice intentional? and if not...any chance we can get credit retroactively?--Thor79••Talk 01:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

They are three relatively easily primary quests to re-do that you are missing, I did them already myself again fairly quickly. I have no problem with the way this system was implemented and it seems like quite a lot of fuss over it myself. --Lemming 02:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the fuss over it is related to the small reward. Doing the quests over again takes longer than just farming the 2,500 points. Bcstingg 16:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a weird question about the BUG or not bug in hero handbook.>>> I finished the game with more than one character, my Necro is a lvl 5 asuran. He did NOT pick up the books before he completed GWEN. He acquired the books after finishing GWEN and Kodan gave the books to him but DID NOT ask if he could pay 100 gold per page to fill in some pages. My monk did the same thing as him (completed GWEN with out the books, then acquired books after GWEN). She is NOT any lvl 5 or higher in any of the GWEN titles. When she got the books, Kodan DID asked if he could fill some of her missing pages. I accepted and paid 1100 gold. Why did my Necro not get the message to fill in missing pages????? I have 17 characters and all but that ONE asked for missing pages. Just for grins, the same thing happened to my wife with ONE of her characters also (she is also a lvl 5 dwarven title). Can you shed some light on this situation?? Is it a lvl thing or just that this is a bug.. please someone shed some light on the situation.. USIL951

I have completed 14 of 16 pages in my first nm hero's handbook. So I obtained a second nm hero's handbook. It came with the five main quests filled in, but did not give me the option to pay 100g to fill in the other entries. I understand that you can refill 1 nm and 1 hm book once by paying to have pages filled in, but i'm not understanding how to get it filled. I am not seeing an option to pay 100g to fill any pages. (i tried getting a new book from a rep of two different title tracks but this made no difference) Do I have to complete a quest with no book in my inventory to get the 1 "free refill" ?? RhapsodyMoon 08:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

The Heart of Shiverpeaks problem?

i'm doing my second Hero's Handbook, but i cant get the Heart of Shiverpeak quest done. by Talking to King Jallis Ironhammer he always give me the Destruction's Depths quest.

i've been helping my guild mates with this quest (HoS) many times. but it still unknow in my handbook. i also look in the scrypool and seek for guidance for the old quest. but it doesnt have Against the Destroyer or The heart of shiverpeaks in there.

any ideas? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Orange .

Won't be listed because it's not a repeatable quest. The "unknown" line I think you're refering to is for Destruction's Depths. --Valshia 17:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

HoS is considered a dungeon, so it counts for your dungeon masters guide, not the heros handbook

Update!

it sais in oct 12th 07 update that you can now pay 100g or something like that to get a missing page, shall we add that?90.240.114.176 20:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've also noticed that if you turned the book in on a character BEFORE this update, you can refill all the pages for a quick 20k reputation on top of your 2500 (and a small profit!) -- Outpost (talk | contrib) 22:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you fill pages for 100g more than once? Eg. I fill one book by paying and giving it to the Ascalon guy. Could I then get one from the Norn and do the same? brains12 16:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, only once. See above. --Valshia 18:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Im confused because whenever i want to buy pages it never gives me the option to.

If you have completed the missions without the book in your possession you can buy the mission page once. If you bought it before (assuming you would then go on to hand in the completed book) you will have to complete the mission without a book (or indeed with a new book). Dante Broekhart 12:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, you will only receive credit for missions you complete after the update. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 21:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily true. I did "Curse of the Norn Bear" while the book was in my storage and no one is offering me to update my book at all. So now I have all but the last page and that one, and can't get the mission to rerun. --Rory Mcgowen

Bad me but I found a serious bug

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Sorry I can't spell, and I know bugs are supposta go somewhere else but this is a bad bug. Completing a Hero Handbook gives you 4K and for 1.1K you can get it all refilled since it cost 100g each missing page and you can turn it in for another 4K and you could make LVL 10 Asura/Norn/Vanguard in a hour or less with alot of money and xp. This is exploiting a bug though so you would more than likely ban them. Thanks -- Natalie Black 21:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I did try it once to see if it worked so I hope I don't get banned but I wanted to know it worked before I brought it before your attention. -- Natalie Black 21:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It only works once. Calm. Breathe. Woooosaaaa. --Deathwing 21:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Try doing it again - it doesn't work. I did it once too, figuring that it would make up for the book I handed in yesterday for 2,500 rep. Maybe you can do it once, or as many times as you have handed in a complete book. *shrug* - Lord Ehzed 21:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but I wasn't going to try it more times so then no problems Gaile. All is cool then. Do you think it is ok to do this with all my char then or do you still think it is a bug? -- Natalie Black 21:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I don't think it's a bug so much as letting people who already turned in a book to get the increased reward. There's a side-effect that someone who hasn't turned it in yet can essentially get double the reward, but I don't think there's much of a way around that. --Valshia 21:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Valshia I think you are right since they updated the reward to 20000 from 2500 they wanted the people to get the big reward. -- Natalie Black 21:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Andrew discussed this with the designers, and they're ok with the way it's working. Now, if someone were able to sell book after book after book, we'd be alarmed, it's true. But in this case, it appears there is a single duplication of sales, and that's the best way for it to work, given all the options. Let me know if you find that it's working differently, ok? -- Gaile 21:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't for the life of me understand what this bug is. Then again that may be for the better since I can't get worked up about something when I don't know what it is. If the devs say it's not a big deal and most people won't be inconvenienced by it then I guess it's okay (as opposed to the whole Duncan farming issue awhile back which I agreed did need rectifying and was fixed soon after). Svartalve 22:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

haha lol you made all gw:en pqs get locked for an hour--83.196.116.83 22:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I want to thank Arena Net for this "bug", as well as the increase in reputation points when delivering a bug. Now a player who plays through everything in NM and HM is going to be able to max one of the reputation title with no grind; a very hard task (I doubt I'm going to be able to finish all dungeons in Hard Mode : D) but one that is very fitting for the "skill > time" philosophy : ) Erasculio 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Aah, now I get it. I missed this new feature that came with Hard mode. I guess it's clear that I've been away from the game for awhile. I have a somewhat strange issue with the books but as it's not related to this (I think) I'll start a new section. Svartalve 04:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Can someone explain what this guy is talking about? I'm guessing some kind of two-books for one trick.. but how?-- Karasu (talk) 23:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the Handbook and Hard Mode

So, if you pay the required fee, you can hand in a second Hand Book without having to do all the quests again. Question: does this work for Hard Mode books? If so, does it still work if you've already handed in a duplicate Normal Mode book? What about Dungeon Guides? --Mme. Donelle 23:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I cannot get it to work at all. Maybe it works only if you beat GW:EN in hard mode? - † Lord Xivor † 16:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you can pay to add pages anytime you've done a quest or dungeon without the corresponding book in your inventory. But once you turn it in, you'll have to start from scratch again. I haven't tested it, but I think hard mode and normal mode are treated as completely different things in this respect. And you don't have to do all the quests again, only half (and you get up to five "free" quests on the Hero's Handbook). You can't pay to add the missing pages if you haven't redone the quests, but you can still get a reduced reward for an incomplete book. --Thervold 16:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

That option will only fill in pages that would already be filled in if you had had the book in inventory. Backsword 17:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Handing in a Normal Mode book

What happens when you hand in a full normal mode book when at 79.999 reputation points. Do you get 1 reputation point for it or the full 20.000 reputation points? - Damadmoo 13:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

You get all of it. I did that with a Master Dungeon Guide on one of my characters to get to Not Too Foolish. -- Gordon Ecker 00:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Rep points

What group do the reputation points go to? Risus

The group you hand in the book to. -- Gordon Ecker 01:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

any EOTN title ~Nelson (n122333) File:N122333sig image.jpg

I cashed in a full hero's handbook today for asura rep points and the message that comes up said that i received 15k rep points though i still received the normal 30k you would get. has it always done that? never noticed 92.234.198.46 22:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The Elusive Golemancer / Oola's Laboratory

I think the article should use the name of the entry in the book (Oola's Laboratory) instead of the name of the quest (The Elusive Golemancer). -- Gordon Ecker 03:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Any objections? -- Gordon Ecker 03:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Been saying this since Anet updated it, and The Elusive Golemancer page should be renamed too. josəph 13:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

You're saying that an update changed the entry name to The Elusive Golemancer, right? -- Gordon Ecker 10:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it did. I saw it straight away as I had other characters doing the quests after the rename. Can't tell you which update though, sorry. Been a while. (I noticed it because I copied the entries in the books to my characters pages (saves swapping chars in-game) but then I noticed the name was changed, and when I changed the name on my pages, all I got was a red link) – josəph 22:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

First off, I changed the name of this entry a while ago but it was changed/reverted for some reason. Second, one character's current book has Oola's Laboratory for the TOC and Page #11 title. (This book was generated a couple months ago; Anet might not have altered existing books - although this seems unlikely.) Third, another character just got a book a day ago, but I'm unsure when I will get that character into this quest. All told, I cannot confirm that a game update has changed the name of Page 11. -- Sabardeyn 03:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW, using Firefox's Find function on the monthly Game Update pages here on the wiki showed no hits for elusive, oola, or handbook. I checked all of the 2008 updates. -- Sabardeyn 03:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I am reverting this edit. The Hero's Handbook has Oola's Laboratory as the page name for #11, NM book. -- Sabardeyn 04:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Which name is used in the index? -- Gordon Ecker 05:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I have edited the Page 11 entry to Oola's Laboratory a few days ago. Batchie 23:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Handed in book but.....

I handed in my book to a norn guide (Kodan) and should have received 10,000 rep points. Even though the screen showed me a window saying I just earned 10,000 rep points, my hero's title never went up and I still only have the 6,600 norn rep points that I had before I handed in the book. Then this happened to the screen.....

--Worldly Tutor 03:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, with the graphics, I don't know, but Kodan gives Dwarven reputation, not Norn. -- Lord Ehzed 03:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Correction

Koran is a dwarf and my points went there but this still does not explain the weird screen shots I took.--Worldly Tutor 03:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Weird. — ク Eloc 貢 03:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems to me like it's something to do with your computer, and not something that was caused by turning in the book, make sure your graphics card meets the requirements for the game and also that you don't have the settings too high for your card to handle.Phoenix

Two books or not?

I've been looking around for an explanation, but i cant find anywhere where it says that it is possible to get a second normal mode handbook after turning the first in. I turned mine in already and i cant check b/c my pc is down, is it possible or not? 68.187.16.3 21:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Gabe

As far as I know, you can get as many as you want as long as you don't have the same type of book in your inventory.-- Brains12 • Talk • 21:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You can always get another Hero's Handbook or Master Dungeon Guide under two conditions. 1: You don't already have one of the same type in your inventory (Xunlai storage doesn't count). 2: If it's a normal mode book, you're less than rank 8 with the faction your requesting a book from. So, if you're rank 8 Ebon Vanguard and rank 7 or less on the other titles, you can't get a normal mode Hero's Handbook from Gedrel of Ascalon, but you can from any of the other three, and you can always get a hard mode book. Hope that makes sense. - Tanetris 21:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Normal handbooks in hard mode

If I complete a mission in hard mode without having it completed in Normal mode yet, will this be added to both Normal mode and Hard mode handbooks then?--Talos of Flanders 19:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it only goes into the hard mode book - Brit 00:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Points Farming

I have made a couple of tables showing how much reputation etc you will gain in the course of repeating an entire handbook, which I hope will be of interest to points farmers. Can't seem to get the tables level, though...

So far as repeating the quests to refill handbooks, and taking into account the experience and reputation points you gain for each mission, you will gain the following points as rewards in the process of completing and handing in a handbook:

Hero's Handbook (Normal Mode) Experience 67,500 Vanguard Points 400 Norn Points 300 Asuran Points 700 Dwarven Points 400 Unassigned Points 20,000 Total Reputation Pts. 21,800

Hero's Handbook (Hard Mode) Experience 87,500 Vanguard Points 600 Norn Points 450 Asuran Points 1,050 Dwarven Points 600 Unassigned Points 30000 Total Reputation Pts. 32,700

--Son of Batman 22:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Question about refilling

Erm how many times and exactly what can you refill? If I can refill a whole book for 100g even once, that could mean me getting 40k rep points. Ninjas In The Sky 11:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Plz sum1 answer... Ninjas In The Sky 13:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

have a little look higher up on this page under "Bad me but I found a serious bug" does that answer your question?--Son of Batman 12:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, thanks! Ninjas In The Sky 13:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Something's wrong, I can't refill my book. Why is that? I had planned on getting the ev rank 5 from 2 books x 12k. Ninjas In The Sky 19:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The immediate question is do you have the correct book? I'm always hearing folks say this and they've got the wrong book - they're doing NM and have the HM book. Or vice versa. Also, if you're in a party and do multiple pages of the book sometimes it will "hang" on the fact that you didn't do everything 100% yourself. Maybe it because you didn't talk to the boss or something (another party member does and starts the next quest/mission step). Anyway, I found zoning and talking to one of the book NPCs will let you add the pages at the standard 100g / page fee. Annoying to have to pay for what should have been free. But better than having to completely redo a page. -- Sabardeyn 17:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I am trying to fill in the pages for missions that i have done (some multiple times) and I never get any option from anyone to fill in the pages. Verified that its a NM book missing 3,11,12,15,16 all of which i have done. main question is if i do them BEFORE i get the book that should not matter right? second question is, can anyone explain? I have asked a couple people and they keep telling me that im not clicking on something or i didnt do the quest, so i finally showed someone that i finished one of the quests with that im not being offered the ability to fill in the page and his answer was "huh... thats really weird. hit the discussion page". so here i am.--Harbingerofdoom 22:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Just a little someththing I'd like to bring to peoples attention. At the bottom in the trivia section it says that the heros handbook is a the same thing as the D&D players hand book, but what about the D&D Hero's Handbooks?? Each proffesion(Class) in D&D has its own Heros Handbook. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:UPA Arcangel (talk).

Scrying Pool

Do we have to take the quests over and over again in order to complete a book? Or we can just do them by talking to the appropriate NPCs, without the quests being in our quest log? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Eth (talk).

Talking to the NPC with the shield icon and starting the quest puts it in your quest log (assuming you've completed the pre-requisite quests). -- Gordon Ecker 01:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Notes Section is Wrong!

In the notes section is a blurp about having two books in inventory and wasting the credit for a quest if you forget to swap the books; I think it's the second bullet point. This is flat out wrong and misleading. If you have multiple books in your inventory and are repeating quests to fill them, credit is not lost if you forgot to rotate the books in your inventory. Instead, the game will remember 1 completion of each mission that failed to get recorded in a copy of the book. For a cost of 100g per mission, these "lost" credits for missions can be added to an appropriate copy of the book. This is, in fact, a staple for ANY handbook/storybook in the game and has existed for a very, very long time. Tahl 15:53, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

It does seem wasted to me, because I can't get anyone to fill in page 7, "Curse of the Norn Bear" and I've done it twice. Can't get it to redo a third time however. :( --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.134.54.56 (talk).

Which are the fastest 3 to do?

Which of the quests that you have to do yourself are the fastest 3 for HM books? I know that ATfH is the fastest, but what about 2 others? --Stokoe 01:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Curse of the Nornbear can be done in under 10 minutes if you know where he spawns. When repeating Blood Washes Blood you can take a shortcut as discribed in its article. Against the Charr is about 10-15 minutes if you run straight to the end without weakening the Charr garrison. Genius Operated Living Enchanted Manifestation can be done with heros and quite fast as well. --Elhuhn 03:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Finding the Bloodstone is another short one worth doing in addition to G.O.L.E.M. and doing 4 from any of the options for 50% more rep and xp is def worth more than doing just the 3. Lady Elyssa 11:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Leveling Heros

I routinely level heros on quest rewards, but I thought I'd mention that turning a full book in didn't give my brand new L11 Jin Hero any levels at all, so this is not an effective way to sneak some extra points on unused heros. Since the handbook isn't a quest, I'm not sure that it's something that ought to be posted, so I'll let others decide. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:216.114.234 (talk).

Turning in books has never affected Heroes in any way. The experience is for you alone. Vili 09:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Problem D:

I've a problem about refilling handbooks. heres what i did.

i started a new character.

i wanted to max all my 4 titles in 1 go so i took about 16 NM and 12 HM handbooks

I COMPLETED every single quest in Eotn on my new character but whenever i start a new quest, i'd switch to an empty handbook to get it. so now, all my 28 books have 1 quest each in them. But when i tried to talk to the book NPC to fill em up. they wouldn't fill it up.

it says that the book is not even half way done. so i decided to fill 1 NM book till its halfway done and tried if it'd fill the rest for me but it didn't. this time it just told me how much i'd get if i were to trade it in.

any idea whats wrong ? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lusciious (talk).

Hmm.. are you talking about QUESTS? The Hero handbooks can only be filled with the 11+5 listed in the book. These are special missions, not part of the normal quest system. In order to fill several handbooks at a time you do the following. For example if you want Curse of the Nornbear nr 7 you start the mission by talking to Sif Shadowhunter. This will take you directly to the mission. Once completed it will appear in the FIRST book in your inventory (from left to right, top to bottom). Check this by opening the book. Now move this book to another place in your inventory or the xunlai chest and make sure the FIRST book does not have line 7 filled in. Now you can start the mission again. Note that you do not need the quest in your quest log before starting the mission - it will automatically appear in the log if you enter the mission.

Also - doing all the books at once can be a waste of time. Note that you also get 30k or 40k points for a title if you hand in the Dungeon Guide. Doing all dungeons in normal mode also yields around 10-20k for each title and an extra 30-40k towards the dwarven title (at least!). You cannot turn in this Dungeon Guide if your titles are above level 8 - and you HAVE to fill at least one book if you go for the ".. of the north" title.

My tips:

1. Do the dungeons and save the book to make the jump over 80k (so hand it over just before you reach rank 8)
2. Do all obligatory normal-mode stuff, nothing i can think of atm
3. Fill in a certain amount of hero handbooks. Think of these factors:
   1. For each book (after the first, which you probably already did with the normal quest line) you gain a certain points in your titles: 400 vanguard, 300 norn, 700 asura and 400 dwarf
   2. You need to get enough books (20k per book) to fill your title BELOW 80k (! each book also awards extra points, see previous line)
   3. AND you need to fill three extra books to go over the 80k line. Filling these also gives the extra points mentioned earlier
4. Once ALL books are finished, give them to the appropriate NPC untill your title is somewhere between 60-79k
5. Make the jump by giving one extra book. You have three Hero handbooks and one Dungeon book - give the Dungeon book to the title that you think is most difficult to max

Now you're rank 8/9 and cannot earn anything in Normal Mode anymore (Dungeon rewards and quests are the exception)

1. Vanquish all Eye of The North areas
2. Finish all your quests (EXCEPT PATH TO RELEVATIONS)
3. Fill in at least one Hero Handbook in Hard Mode. This gives you 30k points + a first time reward bonus mentioned on each mission page.
4. Finish all dungeons in Hard Mode. This also gives you a book of ~80k points.
5. Farm the rest of your titles with any of the following:
   1. Fill in another Hard Mode book
   2. Charr battle plans for Vanguard points
   3. Doing extra vanquishes
   4. Any farming spots you know
   5. repeating Path To Relevations for Norn points - or vanquishing this area without completing the quest
   6. Farming Dungeons (600/smite, lair of the snowman for dwarf points)

As far as I know, this is the best way to max your five eye of the north titles. Maybe we should put this somewhere more people can see it. -- Karasu (talk) 12:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

i meant primary quests. i dont bring all 28 books with me in my inventory. i take one out at a time when doing a different primary quest. what i was thinking of was if i was able to fill my other books via the book NPC( that already has 1 quest in it) to full, i'd be able to max my 4 titles in less then a day. but the problem now is that the book NPC wont fill up my book. ive done both NM and HM. idk whats wrong.--Lusciious 13:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Pages in a book can only be filled with the following methods:

1. Finish the mission/dungeon with the appropriate book first in your inventory (You do not have to have the quest before you start the mission)
2. Finish the mission without any book in your inventory, go to the book NPC and ask for a page to be filled (costs x per page

A page can only be paid for once. So for each page in every book you want to fill you HAVE to do the mission. No cheap solutions there  ;-) -- Karasu (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

well i didn't even fill up any of my books yet. the book npc wouldn't allow me to do so. that still means i have 1 chance of filling up my book but why won't it allow me to do so ?--Lusciious 01:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

What quests did you do without any book in your inventory then? -- Karasu (talk) 12:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Let me Clarify. what i did are primary quests. not quests. incase you were still thinking that what i was doing are quests. the answer to your question is none. i've done every single primary quest with at least an empty handbook in my inventory.--Lusciious 12:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Bug?

Ok usually when i got my handbook DD and A Time For Heroes were filled in and i had 7 quests in it done alredy. Today i got on and got another handbooka nd had 5. Any ideas?--Le Roi Phenix 18:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

DD and ATfH never come completed. Vili 18:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Stackable = Yes?

It says "yes" in the info box next to "Stackable". This isn't correct. These books are not stackable at all, even when they have the same exact contents (i.e. the same quests completed) --Bunny - Angel talk 20:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I've changed it. -- Lord Ehzed 22:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

"only need to be done once"

In the page, it mentions the following: "Quests shown in bold only need to be done once, and will always appear in new books after that." Does this mean once per character, once per account, once per character/account with a Hero's Handbook at that particular moment? - Decollete 19:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Once per character. --JonTheMon 19:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Question

If I create a book on one char, place it on another, then do the quests, would it fill up? --Saberhagen (My Talk) 19:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope. The books are customized upon receipt. -- FreedomBound 19:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I knew they were customized. Didn't think it would work. No easy way to max my eles ranks then. --Saberhagen (My Talk) 19:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Filling pages on my 5 chars

My ele: From Factions, level 20, finished EotN and CAN fill his Hero's Handbook [Normal Mode].

My necro: From Factions, level 20, finished EotN and CAN fill his Hero's Handbook [Normal Mode].

My war: From Prophecies, level 20, finished EotN and CAN NOT fill his Hero's Handbook [Normal Mode].

My derv: From Nightfall, level 20, finished EotN and CAN NOT fill his Hero's Handbook [Normal Mode].

My sin: From Factions, level 20, finished EotN and CAN NOT fill his Hero's Handbook [Normal Mode].

I want to fill my dervishes book without going through trouble of redoing all the primary quests in EotN, any suggestions on why it won't let me? User:Im Irrelevant/Signature 23:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Clearly Shows Anet is MORE Biast towards Factions , Mhm, i think you do have to do the quests again(on fortunaly)--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 18:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean cannot fill the handbook?

If you have it with you when you complete the mission, the page gets filled out. If you don't have the NM version with you, then certain NPCs will fill it out for you as long as you haven't reached rank 8 in reputation for their ppls. (The HM version will get filled out as long as you visit within 30 days, which can be extended per the notes about storybooks.) 76.199.139.28 04:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

My handbook is full; all done. To whom do I return this book?