Talk:Mhenlo

Mhenlo also appears in Factions as a NPC and henchmen! BigBlue 09:40, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

bug

mehenlo has a bug from 9/27/27 update that makes him along with other npcs jump in place indefinetly,btw its extremly annoying........--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:74.163.159.187 .

There was no update. :) And since when is it 2027? - Drago 22:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Since Now.--Neil2250 20:14, 14 January 2027 (UTC) (actualy 2010)

GW2

Heh, I hope we get to meet Cynn and Mhenlo's descendants in GW2. --Santax (talk · contribs) 11:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

What about Mhenlo's and all his other 'lady friends' descendants?67.83.127.94 02:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd think Cynn burnt them... Backsword 02:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Me too! I have an usual sense of affection for the original henchmen of GW. I would be far more happy to see the descendants of these too than say, Gwen... --Kilaelya 21:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

baptiste said "full chakra"

why nobody spoke about this? It has been removed since but there was an inscription inside mhenlo's armor... link to the image

Originally Posted by Canadian Bacon

Who is Baptiste, and what exactly did he mean by "Full Chakra"?

For those who are very confused right now, the words as seen in the title can be found on the inside of Mhenlo's robes (zoom all the way and stand on top of him. They are on the back of the front if that makes sense). Baptiste is alesia's last name "Alesia Baptiste"

Seems like some easteregg put in by anet, what does "full chakara" mean? ╙─ ╠Dogzrdogz╣ talk

Perhaps something to do with the Ohm inside his shirt? ~ Chao 12:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

In the Eastern faiths and traditions (more specifically, Yoga), chakras are the subtle nerve systems (also considered energy systems) found throughout the human body. There are quite a few, but the 7 main chakras are found along the spine, with 1 of those seven found in the frental area of the head (In between the eyes and up a bit, the "third-eye") and another of the 7 found on the crown of the head.

The symbol "Aum" (ohm, if you will) goes with the crown chakra. AUM deals with the cycle of life. When starting Aum, you start with the A sound. This represents creation. The U sound comes next and represents evolution. Finally, the M sound comes last, when the mouth closes, which represents dissolution. Aum is considered the sound of and also often considered the name of Ishwara (God/"the Higher Self"/your Spirit)

I need to define "Yoga" before I go further. In the West, Yoga is usually referred to just the stretches, postures and asanas, what the Eastern tradition of Yoga calls Hatha Yoga. In the Eastern Sense, Yoga refers to unifying the lower self (body and mind) with the Higher Self (Soul and Spirit). There are a multitude of things you need to do, and the Hatha Yoga only covers controlling the body.

The crown chakra deals with this union of body, mind, soul and spirit. This could also be described as "Full Union with All That Is". Meditation "exercises" this chakra. The state of Samadhi ("Full Union with All That Is") can be done through total surrender to Ishwara (Granted, this isn't just as easy as "Yep, I surrender myself to God."). The color(s) that go with this chakra is violet and/or white

What this has to do with Mhenlo, I'm not sure. I'm just throwing information out there and maybe someone can pick up the reference(s). I plan on doing a bit more research on the crown chakra in the meantime. --RIDDLE 07:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I know Baptiste. (00:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC))

about protective spirit during the norn fighting tournament

He cast it on me just after being defeated to protect me from he's Symbol of Wrath, the duration of 13 seconds means that he indeed has the spell, and with 7 in protection prayers. why he don't use it in battle remain unknown. lussh 21:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• with gaze of contempt and arcane larceny i found that he can use protective spirit and has mending. lussh 15:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Size

Is it just me, or would it be desirable to have articles a bit smaller than this? Backsword 10:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Something like what I did on GuildWiki a long while ago? Or are you thinking along the lines of splitting this article into 4? -- ab.er.rant 06:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

That page is still huge. But a spit has it's own problems. Perhaps a 'Brother Mhenlo' artcile for presearing, that being the ingame name? Still confusing though... oh, well. Backsword 02:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

55

it says in the norn fighting tournement that he 55s, but does he have 55 health or does he just run the build? ╙─ ╠Dogzrdogz╣ talk

He has the build I guess, else it wouldn't work. Koen 19:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

He does have the build and he HAS 55hp. I do the Norn Fighting Tournament with 55hp & I have to tell you that 55hp vs. 55hp is everlasting battle... — Ciborg 17:31, 13.08.2008 (UTC)

Also the fact that you can kill him with a single use of Blood Drinker pretty much states that he has 55 health. Or 56... Paddymew 21:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hef

hes the hef of guidl wars dont deniy it --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:76.255.66.247 (talk).

Hef? As in Hugh Hefner? I'll deny it. -- ab.er.rant 07:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

He's hot XD Fenrir dragonbone 19:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd tap that b.r // talk 01:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

You see that female NPC over there? She has experienced the ferocity of balthazar, if you know what I mean. Mhenlo has had each and every one of the female NPCs (hell, even a couple of the more curious male NPCs). There is a reason I named my account Mhenlo Is A Pimp. FleshAndFaith 09:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Most Attractive Male NPC

Prove me wrong! --Norrukki 21:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I was actually thinking we shoud lmention that he is considered the most attractive male NPC in the notes. Anyone?

Nah, but he is fucking gorgeous. In fact, if you search Fucking Gorgeous, it links to this page. FleshAndFaith 09:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

That Accident

I played through Factions and the Kurzicks talk about how they thought Mhenlo was dead, but did we ever find out what accident they were talking about was? 99.253.146.20 19:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Him getting nearly killed in the Arborstone mission? --Arduinna 15:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't recall any dialogue where anyone thought Mhenlo was dead... could you be more specific? -- ab.er.rant 01:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't recall any dialogue specifically mentioning an accident, but Lift Operator Shultz mentions that "they all thought he was dead" during The Count's Daughter. It's never revealed why the Kurzicks believed him to be dead. --fraught · (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. -- ab.er.rant 13:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe they're talking about the Searing77.166.63.187 12:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

But that would assume they even know about the Searing, which wasn't evident (unless I've forgotten already). The Canthans probably know more about the undead problem in Kryta than what happened to Ascalon years ago. -- ab.er.rant 14:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Menlo Park

uh... I really do not think this is much of a big deal and I'm probably wrong... but Menlo Park was a business lab where Thomas Edison put all of his "inventors" into to produce all the inventions that he did... I was wondering if GW was making some comment about the whole priest of Balthazar thing through Mehnlo's name... I figure since he plays a semi prominant role, his name should have some meaning, right? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.73.144.93 (talk).

I don't see any relevance, particularly the Balthazar bit, but others may disagree. Being prominent doesn't really mean it has to have meaning. Look at the names of all the other more prominent NPCs. They're mostly just arbitrary names. -- ab.er.rant 11:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I also added this comment, and someone apparently had an issue with it. It isn't saying that the name is related, just similar. Since this is the "trivia" section that it was put in, why do people need to be so ridiculous about stuff there? 42 - talk 06:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

There is trivia, and there is "trivia"... this piece of trivia in particular doesn't really provide anything of relevance for the article. If we were to put things on such section just because they are "similar", we would have articles compromised of 95% trivia, and 5% information.

Removing it unless someone gets a source saying that his name derived from the street itself.--Fighterdoken 07:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree, the trivia in question does not provide any relations at all, except just the 'name'. -- riyen ♥ 08:06, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

If every piece of information added something totally relevant to the article, then there would be no need to call it trivia. It would be information specific to the article. And it does provide "information" despite Fighterdoken's statement. The fact this information may or may not be applicable to the naming of Mhenlo (which no one has proven it hasn't) has no point. Is Mhenlo 100% named after Menlo Park? I don't know. Is he 100% NOT named after Menlo Park? No one has proven that either. I think 42 has a point, "why do people need to be so ridiculous about stuff there?" 69.182.158.57 01:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

As I noted under Talk:Adept Kai, if you don't insist on trivia that is at least somewhat relevant then you have to allow an extremely wide range of trivial facts that will clutter up and degrade the article beyond what people should expect from an "official" wiki. --Irgendwer 02:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Trivia is things that aren't relevant to the game but are relevant to the subject of the article. For example, Rodgort's Invocation's name is derived from Trogdor spelled backwards, which has little to do with the game. We document what is proven (or very likely, in the case of w:internet memes like "For Great Justice!") and not what "might" be, like a business lab that has little reason to have been the inspiration for a monk's name.

There's ridiculousness on both sides, though. Not everything is necessarily the result of inspiration from something else. --Kyoshi (Talk) 02:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually trivia by your definition would conform to .57's statement and be "information", not trivia. You are missing the whole point of calling it trivia. This particular piece of trivia actually does have a specific tie to this article. The names are (I would presume by the spelling and the ingame cinematics) pronounced the same. Now if you would, for example, say in an article on the Ford Thunderbird, and have a piece of trivia there that said "you can ride horses", then something like that, I would agree more than likely could be left out. But I wouldn't say anything against someone wanting it to be in there. It is "proven" (to use your words Kyoshi) that the park exists (or at least existed). 69.182.134.81 16:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

"Trivia is things that aren't relevant to the game but are relevant to the subject of the article." The first part of Kyoshi's definition is what makes it trivia. Knowledge of trivia does not help one to play the game, nor to understand the game. That's why it doesn't go in the main body of the article. Yet it is relevant to the subject, either as a source of inspiration or as an intentional allusion, for the reason I mentioned above. Yes, Menlo Park exists and is pronounced the same, but that has nothing to do with Mhenlo. You could, however, try making the case that Edison created the first commercially viable light bulb in Menlo Park, while Monks in Guild Wars are strongly associated with light, making both men bringers of light in a significant sense. --Irgendwer 18:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I added back the trivia note about Menlo Park, after doing some semi-related research (on this wiki). If you look at the wiki page for Sebedoh the Mesmer, there is a "similar spelling" trivia note as well. Unless you (collectively) are going to go through the entire wiki and remove every single trivia comment like this and that one, then your argument "... but that has nothing to do with Mhenlo." holds no water. Has anyone proven 100% that this has absolutely nothing to do with Menlo Park? No. Does the comment on Sebedoh's page 100% definitely have something to do with the name? No, and yet noone seems to have a problem with that. 69.182.134.81 21:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Go ask Emily. -- Arduin 21:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

You seem to have made some fallacious assumptions. Your argument solely attacks our allowance of similar sounding/spelt words. The arguments above focus on other ideas, such as relevance. Menlo Park, as far as I can see, bares no relevance to Mhenlo. You also assume that because no one has removed the trivia on Sebedoh, we condone it. Looking briefly at its history, it hasn't been touched in a while, with the trivia being one of the most recent changes, which could have been overlooked by anyone who cares. Finally, if you are going to add Menlo Park, you may as well add all of the other references to "Menlo" that google turned up in an instance. G R E E N E R 21:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

"You seem to have made some ..." No, I seem to have made a point. You want relevance? OK, relevance on the Sebedoh example, they are spelled similarly, that is the only relevance, and I am not going to do your work for you, you go find the other examples I am talking about. I have already posted one, and seen others. They are OK, when this isn't? I am not disagreeing with the other argument, just the selective "enforcement" of it. I am only re-adding what someone else has already thought was significant. Just as someone felt it was significant that Sabadoh (I believe it is spelled that way) and Sebedoh are spelled similarly. If you feel the need to add the other references that google turned up on Menlo in the trivia section, go for it. I won't sit here and tell you you shouldn't.

By the way, there is no need to remove the other trivia. Irgwender, it is called trivia for a reason, as others have already pointed out before. That is why it has it's own section. People can choose to read it or not. 69.182.134.81 06:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Where we draw the line between "relevant" and "irrelevant" trivia is a matter of taste. For this page, people have decided that the names are coincidental and that it's not worthy of remarking in the article. That doesn't mean the decision can't be revisited, it does mean that anyone desiring a change has to put up some new arguments. (I'm not persuaded by the argument that the wiki has other articles with trivia notes that need to be cleaned up or removed.)

I'm a huge fan of trivia, but I still believe that our standard ought to be strong: the connection should be clear, there should be something that demonstrates it's more than coincidence, and it should add color to what we know in-game. None of these tests are met here: the connection to Edison is vague; it's ambiguous (why not Mhenlo Park, CA? that town is IMO more likely, given that Silicon Valley is more closely connected to ANet's founders than New Jersey); and it doesn't really flesh out our sense of this Monk with his much maligned AI.

I might think differently if Mhenlo didn't say things like, Light guides me, but darkness taught me to fight! and instead said, Light guides me, but light bulbs taught me perseverance.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 07:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem with your "I'm not persuaded..." argument is that people choose to use that as the sole reason why page X shouldn't have something, and yet the same exact thing happens on NUMEROUS other pages (Y, Z, et al.) and that is OK. If you want to put in the trivia comment about Mhenlo Park, California, go for it. As I said before, I am not going to sit here and tell you you shouldn't. I think I remember seeing somewhere that this is supposed to be by the players, which (unspoken) to me says that Anet has no official say on what is in here, as long as it (the content) follows the legal guidelines required. Unless you are going to sit there with the game developers and ask about every single little piece of trivia, how is it you can say that "suggested piece of player A provided conjecture" is any more accurate or pertinent than "suggested piece of player B provided conjecture?"

It seems that the typical response is "prove why this information is accurate" instead of presuming someone has a good idea, and letting it ride until someone CONCLUSIVELY proves it isn't. It isn't spam, it isn't hate speech of any kind. It is a thought, an idea, a possibility. TRIVIA. 69.182.188.118 05:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

If it isn't a plausible connection, it's just not appropriate. This isn't wikipedia; neither is it a wiki for names that sound/are spelled alike. --JonTheMon 05:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Stalker

I have nothing but pure belief that Mhenlo is a stalker. You first meet him in Pre-Searing..then in Post "coincedentally" for the quest Caravan in Trouble... then outside Lions Arch.. and he just follows you from there..through ALL the campaigns....--StimpsonJKat 19:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Right... -- ab.er.rant 01:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

he's not a Stalker. --85.149.120.16 10:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

No, he kills Stalkers. Paddymew 07:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

HIS posture is better then pc's male monks and tattoo's to, agree? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ghostdyver (talk • contribs) at 01:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC).

He's a ranger in monk armor. Paddymew 13:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

So I'm not the only one to notice this....matter of fact, I've noticed several times that when Mhenlo dances, he does the ranger dance...redninjakoopa

-_-

He still doesn't get LoD back? -_- Cress Arvein 00:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

The Most Tarded of them all

Can we please PLEASE add as a comment how uberly brain dead Mhenlo is in Factions as one of the cons? :D Nay the One and Only 06:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Example, please? Paddymew 12:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. -- ab.er.rant 04:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Late, but third. His bar sucks too. 141.165.171.82 23:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Even later, but I have to assume that the devs thought it would be cute to give Mhenlo a bar that not even the n00biest of n00bs would ever have. I see it as blatant deck-stacking for the sole purpose of making him a giant liability. The very notion of requiring the player to micromanage keeping a frackin' MONK alive in order to complete a mission/quest is just...mindboggling. I just find it rather sad that devs find it acceptable to resort to playing off mediocre AI as a challenge. Most certainly it is, but for very wrong reasons. Kruhljak (talk) 10:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

OMG i can go on forever with how Tarded he is, Healing everything from spirits to dieing flowers, but never healing the players who are actually doing the work. Running off in unknown areas getting himself lost and killed. Standing in one spot doing nothing while everyone is dieing all around him (that one is to be expected, after all he is a MONK). Me among many many others feel the same way about Mhenlo. Dont blame the player, always blame the monk. 71.109.112.157 18:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC) GasMaster

On a total tangent, many of the arguments used against something being on the wiki fall under this heading, and yet, when that, sorry, Point-of-View is used against something else, all of a sudden, that side has no validity? That is about as bad as you can get. 69.183.22.23 16:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually it doesn't

Unless you put it inside the archive box, which it wasn't. 42 - talk 05:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem occurs when both the {{archive box}} template and {{TOCRIGHT}} both try going to the right. They don't stack, they just sit next to each other. To solve this, you would have to stick the archive box probably in an unconventional spot like a few topics into the talk (which just doesn't work out too well when you do a full archive of a talk page), or use a {{clear}}, which would look weird because there would be a giant blank spot at the top. If you went {{blah}}{{clear}}{{differentblah}}, there would be a blank spot in the space left of {{blah}} because {{clear}} would push down all the text that is normally above the TOC (i.e. not under a heading)--RIDDLE 08:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Armor Note

Should there be a note mentioning that his armor resembles Monk Tyrian armor? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Curin Derwin (talk).

I think its the same necklace too. –alistic 04:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that's what pretty much sold me on suggesting the similarity between them. Mhenlo's just a BAMF who looked at his chest-piece and said, "Sleeves? Fuck that." *Rip* --Curin Derwin 04:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

It has some resemblances, namely in the shape of the pieces composing the garments, but they are not the same. The ornamental designs on the armor are different and Mhenlo has tattoos whereas Tyrian armor does not. At least, that's what I gathered from comparing Mhenlo's main pic on the page to the Monk Tyrian armor gallery. However, a note stating the resemblance seems fine to me, as long as it's clear that they're not the same. </ocd> Datrulegend 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, and I can relate on the OCD; I suffer as well.

Quote:

>>"Should there be a note mentioning that his armor resembles Monk Tyrian armor?"

>>"...mentioning that his armor resembles Monk Tyrian armor?"

>>"...resembles Monk Tyrian armor?"

>>"... resembles ..."

I'll wait for one last response (or two) before adding it on BOTH. Cheers, Curin Derwin 04:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

His parents

I just talked with him in Lion's Gate and there he also says what the manuscripts say - his mother being the Balth priestess, his father a Dwayna priest. 83.131.50.16 18:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

NPC Locations

Do we really need to spell out each and every outpost he's available at? If so, do we really need to use the NPC infobox, since that just asplodes the number of categories he's listed in? --JonTheMon 12:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I added it as to be specific and to add the categories. As far as I know, he should be in the categories and other henchmen (though not all) are in said categories. Yes it "asplodes" the number of categories, but he should be in that number of categories otherwise the categories are incomplete. Mind you, for the mission outposts I don't know whether or not there should be a category made for the outpost itself, but there doesn't seem to be one for other NPCs in the outposts. If you don't have the outposts listed, then the categories should be added to the bottom. Either way, as far as I know via observation and being told previously - this is how it should be done. -- Konig/talk 19:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Armor

No wonder he keeps dying in Missions he has no hand wraps or sandals! he's missing 120 armor Zachariah Zuan. 18:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The armor doesnt stack, you get hit on a certain body part each time, and he has those armor pieces, his npc skin just doesnt show them. Sonic Tuesday 18:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

i know, it was a joke Zachariah Zuan. 11:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Mhenlo and the Kurzicks

What did he do for them exactly? Why do they like him so much? MeiOfTheNorth 10:54, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Specifics unknown, we just know that he spent time with them during his studies in Cantha. Konig/talk 11:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

He did something that made them think he'd died!! What'd he do, drink vodka through his eye and snort crack up another orifice? MeiOfTheNorth 15:22, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd say it's because as a monk he charmed a lot of young Kurzick women during his travels.--Kgptzac 02:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Interim Headmaster Mhenlo

.......Really, Anet? Really?--Will Greyhawk 07:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I found it silly too. After 7 years, the Shing Jea Monastery is still without a headmaster - to the point where they need to call in a foreign alumni to fill in the spot, despite the Monastery, ya know, being closed off to foreigners now. Konig/talk 09:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

But he was Togo's favorite student and best friend so naturally he got the position. I'm not surprised the Canthan bureaucracy hasn't gotten around to making the position permanent.Ramei Arashi 20:15, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Even though he hasn't been in Cantha (well, most likely hasn't) for 7 years? Konig/talk 20:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Quote

During "A Gate Too Far" I caught him saying "Too hot too cold...", and immediately thought of Goldilocks and the Three Bears. Anyone else think it may be a reference to that old tale? ~Lana Darkess [NH] 14:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

"Too hot. Too cold. When will it ever be just right?" Yes. Konig/talk 16:32, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation?

I am horrible at pronouncing things. Especially in GW. I pronounce it Men-lo. I fear that it is wrong, is it? --ShananylDracon (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

No, that's correct. - Infinite - talk 13:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

You can hear his name being pronounced in several cinematics, such as in The Count's Daughter (cinematic) (by talking to Acolyte Hanz in Arborstone (outpost)). --Silver Edge 14:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, good, thank you! :D --ShananylDracon (talk) 21:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I tried to make a "men low" joke, but I couldn't think of a good one. :( I guess Mhenlo just brings men low in their creativity.Konig 01:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)