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Nick

Main Page/activities is currently was showing unknown for Nick the Traveler even though he doesn't change for 2 more days, until a less-than-elegant jury rig. I assume it's to do with the changing of the year. Asidely, TEF was wondering if it'd be possible to update the Nick the Traveler page directly from the /Research as well, if you wanna comment on that. - Tanetris 18:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, yes... The current week number is 52 (of year 2010), and I check the week and year of the /Research entry with the current one.. Of course the current week number is 52, so is the week number of the entry on /Research.. However, the current year is 2011, while the /Research's year is 2010... Don't know if there is a way to get the current year the current week number belongs to.. Guess we can just use that fix until next week..

And yes, I'll see what I can do with the page. poke | talk 21:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Meh, I was about to save a change to the Nick page when I noticed that the Research page does not store the location's area, but just its campaign... So we can't recreate the location display just with the Research data. poke | talk 21:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to just have the {{Nicholas the Traveler research}} call the region from the infoboxes from the location pages? If not, if you're willing to update the template to accept regions, I wouldn't mind manually updating the old entries for them my sandbox has a manual update of old entries for easy copy&pasting (I put region between campaign and location, as it seemed to make the most sense). - Tanetris 23:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll update the template, but first I have to prepare Wikichu for it, or it will break :P Thanks for the manual update. poke | talk 08:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Feature

I left a note on the admin noticeboard, but according to Konig you're the one that does it most often, so could you pls update the featured page? razor39999 13:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

BTW, apparently I'm lazy this week. :D (well, really, just buzy with shit that I don't normally do). -- Konig/talk 13:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I was very busy with uni, so I didn't check the wiki earlier. Tanetris seems to have done it already now. Sorry, next time I'll do it on time (maybe). poke | talk 17:36, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

It's been 2 weeks, time for the next feature. :D razor39999 12:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

There kinda needs to be something on Main Page/featured article/next to feature first. - Tanetris 13:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah.. poke | talk 13:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Updated, and it not being updated doesn't mean you guys cannot do it yourself. D: -- Konig/talk 15:23, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

You know, I can't feature anything without you telling me to do so :P poke | talk 15:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

If we're late, just feature an old one. How about that? Since we agreed that we should start featuring old ones if/when we cannot get a new one. :P -- Konig/talk 20:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

AbuseFilter Extension

Are you aware of or familiar with the AbuseFilter extension? And after possibly looking at it, do you think the tools are useful enough to ask ANet for? --JonTheMon 21:28, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the page, I can think of a number of quite handy uses right off the bat, from preventing the IP bots that replace the Admin Noticeboard or Main Page talk with random thank yous, to stopping the creation of those Ugg boots pages that crop up from time to time, to tossing up a warning note about archiving when someone blanks a user talk page or about using the delete tag when blanking other pages. - Tanetris 19:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't we usually say that comments shouldn't be botted/templated? -- pling 20:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

(Tbh. uggs aren't too bad. its just the spammers, right?) --Neil • 20:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

As GW dies, fewer and fewer editors will be stalking RC here to help out the new guys/give warnings to the vandals. Using a bot/template on this wiki might not be too bad an idea - even if it isn't immediately useful, it will be someday. -Auron 00:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't know that extension, no. I took a deeper look at it now and while I don't completely understand how it works, I could see some use for this wiki. Although I'm not sure what possibilites we will have with that special query syntax; and I'm not sure how the warnings work, but I guess that it is not a talk page comment but rather something similar to a sitenotice or "blocked" message. As such I don't think the standardized and automatized text is a problem, as it is easily visible, that it is indeed automatic (and generated by the software, not a random user who posts something on the talk page). poke | talk 11:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Plingaling: My understanding is that, when a user attempts to make an edit that triggers a warning, they're shown an intermediate page with a customizable message, and are then given the option whether to actually submit the edit or not. The problem with botted/templated warnings on talk pages is that they're more likely to be ignored than personal human messages. This wouldn't be a replacement for those, this would be an extra step of something new. While I'm sure there will still be people who ignore this anyway, it's actually better for whatever small percentage it does help, and the usual human talk page note can still be used for those it doesn't.

Alternately, we could also just block such blanking from going through at all, since I can't actually think of any reason it would be legitimately necessary, but not sure that'd be necessary. - Tanetris 12:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It's time! It's time!

2 week mark coming. Change change. Feature article, I mean, of course. -- Konig/talk 05:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

はい、はい！ But a new section please :P poke | talk 13:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

You didn't even need a reminder this week! Huzzah! -- Konig/talk 20:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm so proud of myself xD poke | talk 20:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Nick traveler - dpl for his page?

I can't make sense of the code used to show Nick Traveler's collections for the week on the Main Page...otherwise I would do this myself: could you work your magic to put together some code that grabs the same data and presents it in bullet form for Nick's own page? At the moment, updating Nick means updating two pages: the research page and Nick's.

The current format is:

• [Campaign]
  • [Zone] (Collecting [#] [item(s)] per gift.)

If it's easy, it would also be great to include a link to the map in the research article — that way the map could get redlinked on Mondays and updated as soon as someone uploads one that follows the naming convention. Thanks for your attention.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

See four sections up. - Tanetris 17:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Sigh, thank you Tanetris. I'd blame my morning cup of coffee, but I don't drink the stuff.

Poke, my apologies for the double request. Had I remembered/looked at the original post, I would have not have repeated it here (or there).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem about the double post. I'll probably have the time for this either by the end of this or next week; I'm currently in a very busy exam phase at uni, and can only do wiki (or any other stuff) for a very limited time. poke | talk 01:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. In the meantime, it's getting covered quickly enough after Nick changes his request. (gl on exams)  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:32, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

User boxes

Poke, you may know me as kronix xxx, but I am not logged in because my computer is being a little funky. I wish to ask how to make boxes on my user page. I also wish you congrats on the bur. elections and if I could vote I would have for you. I was 28 edits away :(. --71.234.72.228 20:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, didn't notice this.. Take a look at Category:User box templates. poke | talk 13:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Your reverts

My mistake. I didn't realise that there was a set order already (what is the order, by the way?). I just alphabetised it because I thought it would make things easier to navigate and in my opinion, it looks more neat/tidy, organised & better. -- Lacky 14:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

This is of course my subjective take on the issue, but I find that much of the current ordering makes more sense than alphabetical ordering. For instance, having Glossary and Guides at the bottom of the Game Basics box feels way more logical than placing it above the often times more informative and important entries like Guilds and User Interface. The same goes for the Gear and Equipment section - whether or not Weapons, Armor or Items should be on top is debatable, but having Storage and Containers at the bottom makes sense since those are less directly related to the subject. Similarly "Core overview" is definately something that needs to be at the top of the PvP section. While the "About ArenaNet" section is informative, many people will argue that things like Game Updates are way more relevant to the current state of the game, and thus deserve to be the most easily accessible subjects (read, at the top of the list). Hard Mode, while an essential part of the game, is a mere afterthought compared to vital systems like NPCs. I could go on and on.
While I would agree that sorting entries alphabetically is a less subjective way of organizing the main page, sorting things by relevance is preferable. The alphabetical order of subjects is in no way relevant to their importance, and the importance of the articles should be the guiding factor in the design of the main page, not some arbitrary ordering of characters that was decided on thousands of years ago. — Why 15:26, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I guess that covers all there is to say; if you want another answer by myself, just say so. poke | talk 16:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Two words on the /activities page: First of all that is a page that is directly included on the main page. As such, discuss such things first (the editcopy is different!). Second, similar to the reasons above, the main sections there “today” and “this week” are sorted by the order of interest. You usually order things that change more often and are more interesting for a bigger group of users more to the top. The alphabetic order “h” < “o” does not justify that the much less important section is at the top. Not to mention that the flow looks really off otherwise. poke | talk 16:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, I understand your point(s), now. Thank you both for the discussion, although I have one more question. When sorting things on pages, as you said above, it goes by relevance, however, does the aesthetic appeal or the (as Poke said) flow come into it at all? If so, does relevance trump aesthetics (or vice-versa)?

Just as a note, I did as well myself feel that the Glossary and Guides section should be at the bottom, and the Today's Activities section be at the top, however, just to be consistent, I moved them. Also, I guess I probably should've discussed the /activities page first, before changing it, so I'm sorry about that and hope it didn't cause too much of a nuisance. -- Lacky 04:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it does, but there can't really be a solid guideline for that since it's a very personal thing, even more so than relevance. It probably deserves a case-by-case analysis. And no problem, I'm glad we cleared this up. :) — Why 10:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Duely noted. A case-by-case analysis sounds good, as I'm sure a lot of people (myself included) like to be bold. :) -- Lacky 20:02, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

GuildWarsWiki

Is it really you, who provides the readers of Twitter with wrong information about Zaishen Missions? Please at least try to look at such (mis)info from point of ordinary player. --Slavic 21:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the ZMission cycle is incorrect. That is known and will be fixed soon. poke | talk 21:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I hope you are happy now <_< poke | talk 22:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I see the changes and hope that the problem is fixed now. Please check replies and direct tweets time to time, feedback there is more efficient than here. Thanks! --Slavic 05:19, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I check all replies and DM very regulary. And I usually respond to nearly all of them. As I said, the problem was known. poke | talk 09:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Reminding reminder

You've been doing well lately, don't slip up. -- Konig/talk 04:17, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

lol, thanks :P poke | talk 09:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Featured article

please change it next week seeing as this week is practically over, and messaging u here seeing as u QQed when i messaged u on twitter.- Zesbeer 22:58, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

And he's been such a good boy about getting these on time without me reminding. For shame Poke! -- Konig/talk 23:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

lol i reminded him two weeks ago so...- Zesbeer 23:32, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm bad :( But everything is keeping me so busy recently :( Sorry, will do it on Monday... poke | talk 06:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

It should of changed yesterday. :D -- Konig/talk 04:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry... poke | talk 20:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

A bot request

Can you get a bot to fix image links of [[:File:TheSearing.jpg]] so that it can be moved to a proper name (which is in the move tag)? It's been uncontested move for since October '10. I'd do it but too much link changing for me to do by hand. -- Konig/talk 18:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Moved the file; no need to change the links, that is what image redirects are for ;) (At least as long as the original filename is not a problem, which it really isn't). poke | talk 18:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Meh, I just hate unneeded redirects. Especially when the name of the redirect could easily be replaced with something better *cough*a better image for this*cough* -- Konig/talk 18:25, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm with Konig. It's not a malformed filename, but it doesn't suit that image. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:29, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy to fix the redirects. ^.^ Kaisha 18:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, nothing really directs to that file TheSearing, but this page. Kaisha 18:47, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of the fact if the original name is acceptable, a redirect is acceptable to begin with. And I'm seriously not going to run a bot for ~30 pages, sorry :D So, go on Kaisha ;) poke | talk 18:48, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Already fixed. All it was - was a template of a userbox on those pages using that file. Fixed the two main pages that were actual links er using the file and that solved the other pages. :-) Kaisha 18:52, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Danke Kaisha. Should of looked more into the links I guess. -- Konig/talk 18:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Different topic (kinda), but not bothering for a new section - what should be done with Guild:Virtual Dragons? There's a merge tag to merge into the historical form of the same page - I just checked, and said historical version has all that the just-linked version has, but there's plenty of links to the new one. Since I never dabble in the guild namespace, I am unsure what to do but atm that page is cluttering the merge proposal list and it has nothing to merge. Also unsure what to do with Guild:Bodhisattvas Of The White Lotus (historical). -- Konig/talk 18:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

It would appear that File:Lore King Doric prostrate.jpg is protected via cascading due to the feature thingie, and I cannot move it due to the uncontested move tag placed on it. You're able to move it, iirc, so can you do so please? -- Konig/talk 19:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Featured article

Time to switch, poker. -- Konig/talk 09:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Uhm, in case you didn't notice you removed half of the old features with your featuring edit. -- Konig/talk 20:07, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

What the hell o.O poke | talk 20:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Fan Day

Glad you're keeping us up-to-date with that! Enjoy yourselves. G R E E N E R 01:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey

Can this User:Kaisha/monobook.css be deleted? Kaisha 21:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. poke | talk 21:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

ty. Kaisha 21:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Daily activities

(When you get back from having fun at ANet HQ.)

There seems to be a problem with the pre-Nick column in Daily activities. It only happens around the time when Nick changes his request, so it's annoying to troubleshoot.

• All the request entries are moved one day back (e.g. what used to be listed as happening on the 18th shows for the 17th).
• The bold face is applied to tomorrow instead of today (which, due to the first point, is a day off).
• After about an hour, it's all okay again.

I think this has something to do with the code used to offset that column from the others...and perhaps something to do with the dates (UTC vs Pacific) being different around that time. But I'm unable to fully untangle the various templates. Could you take a look? IIRC, the time that this happens is inconvenient for you, so let me know if I can help troubleshoot/test. (Also, the original report would probably also be happy to help; he's quite keen to see this fixed.)

Hope you had fun in Seattle. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I have effected what I hope is a fix - checking User:M.mendel/Daily activities between 07:00 and 16:00 UTC (and comparing it to before 7:00 and after 16:00) should tell whether it works. --mendel 21:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey, part deux

It was great to meet you on Friday, I hope you had a good time here in the Seattle area. And I hope you managed to get some sleep at some point.  :) --Rainith 00:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

God I completely forget replying here.. I'm really glad that I was able to meet you in person; especially as I didn't expect seeing you there at all, so it was a nice surprise! I hope we will meet again at some time :) poke | talk 11:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)