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Didn't know :)

Poke. Now I do. --Silverleaf Don't assume, Know! 19:06, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I fixed your link Silverleaf, although Poke would have worked as well. For external and full links, you don't need the | . -- FreedomBound 19:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I failz at links ;-). --Silverleaf Don't assume, Know! 19:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey! We were implemented at the same time, and you don't know me? Boo! ^^ poke | talk 20:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

File:The Path to Revelations map.jpg

Close enough to your font, eh? (: –alistic 05:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Good enough ;) But it would have been even better when you had everything un-fogged :P (= go get legendary cartographer! ^^) poke | talk 08:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

(: I'm doing them as I go on my new characters, so no legendary cartog ): –alistic 01:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Gogo File:Nicholas the Traveler 20100111.png use your pro-skills and unfog it :P –alistic 01:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I will. poke | talk 09:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

the jpg version rather. 71.141.234.240 23:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for fixing the Help page :D -- Wyn talk 09:06, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Just your bi-weekly poking session.

Just a heads up, but I think 3 weeks is plenty time for the Wintersday article. Time to put up the next one! -- Konig/talk 19:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Haha, thanks! I was looking at the featured article yesterday, but in the end I still forgot xD poke | talk 20:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I need Sig help :( (Again...)

is there a way to make it so my Current sig and my GW2W sig ARNT the same?,because on GW2W since there are no rules against it,i added it there, But since it changed the same as GWW signature,its against policy,Any ideas how to correct it?--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 16:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

GWW:SIGN#Transclusion is the solution created thus far. --JonTheMon 16:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

This is...damn anoying Actualy quite helpfull,Is it posible for someone to put protection on that signature template page then?--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 17:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

It can't be edited by anyone but yourself. -- FreedomBound 17:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

*Evil Smile*,ide like that choice then :D (though im terrible with templates,could anyone be awesome Enougth to make me it then ill do a spell of "CopyPaste'a" ?)--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 17:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry

It was that way in one of the past edits, so I thought the section header was supposed to stay. -- FreedomBound 17:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Heh, no problem, but there is less benefit from an empty section. Also that section was actually created when people like Shadowphoenix started community projects on the wiki. Everything wiki-community related things are basically more appropriate in the wiki news section. poke | talk 17:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Bot request

Would it be possible to "reset" my userpage and subpages, with exception of User:Horsedrowner/skills and subpages? --horsedrowner 09:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean with "reset"? Delete? — Mini Me 09:58, 23 January 2010

Yes. --horsedrowner 10:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Then you should just tag them for deletion and wait for a sysop to do it. (use U1 as a reason for speedy deletion) {{delete|U1|speedy}} <-- that — Mini Me 11:32, 23 January 2010

But I'd have to tag every subpage... --horsedrowner 11:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I think this is what you're looking for to be sure of finding all of your subpages... --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 13:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

So you request deletion for all pages on this list? poke | talk 15:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

That list includes User:Horsedrowner/skill/Shaman/Aura of Haste, which I don't think he wants gone. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 17:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

That's only a redirection. Maybe keep the template I named after you. :) (User:Horsedrowner/templates/Pokebox) --horsedrowner 17:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Huh, missed that bit. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 17:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I spared some 30 minutes to tag them. --horsedrowner 20:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Poke

There is definitely waaaayyy too few misuses of the word "poke" on your user talk page.

Let me correct that for you!

POKE!

Wie geht's Pat? --  (CoRrRan / talk) 05:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Whooo! Cor :D Long time no see! I'm fine, thanks, extremely busy recently, but fine ^^ How are you doing? You definitely need to get into IRC soon again — do you still have those cookies? :P poke | talk 08:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Question about historical guilds' subpages - Wikichu

Hey. Browsing through the guild list, I noticed there were a lot of guilds who included the {{guild}} template also on guild subpages. Since this practice makes the guild list ugly, I thought I would take a look if something could be done (probably the only option would be to remove the template?). In doing this, I found a lot of subpages that were under guild pages that have since been moved to historical by the Wikichu bot. And now I am not sure how to proceed. According to the GWW:GUILD policy, subpages should be removed, so that would be easy peasy. But according to the Guild_Wars_Wiki:Guild_pages/Archiving, all subpages should be moved and links fixed to match. The latter of course being quite a lot of work. Anyway, I think something should be done, since if a new guild now makes a Wiki page with the same name as a historical guild they will "inherit" subpages to their guild space... The pages I noticed were probably just a subset since these were only subpages with the {{guild}} template, something that should not be common practice. Any thoughts? Is this something that the bot can do, or does it have to be fixed manually? --Lensor (talk) 16:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Decide on something, and I will change Wikichu to do that. Btw. I believe the Guild policy said that all guild's subpages need the guild template as well. poke | talk 17:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Bleh, I have been thinking about this, and cannot seem to make up any kind of mind. Ideally I suppose everything should be moved, but it does seem like a lot of effort, since you have to both move and fix the links. Not only for subpages but also images. Is this something the bot can do? Somehow I feel that the policy is right; that only the main page should be maintained. After all, deletion is not permanent at the GWW, so stuff could be undeleted in the few instances that a historical guild wants to be actified again. But then the archiving guideline also needs to be amended. I hate it when a policy and a guideline are at odds with each other.. >.< Btw, I cannot see where the policy says that subpages should include the template. If this is so though, it is stupid since the guild lists become cluttered with subpages. Maybe a separate subpage template could be used, one that does not list it as a separate guild?--Lensor (talk) 09:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, that's how I have interpreted it before, but I'm not too sure about it (and I don't really care either), but I think some informational tag would be necessary. For the subpage keep-or-delete issue, it would be probably best to bring this up on the policy's talk page. And as I said, whatever will be decided, I'll make sure that it's followed by Wikichu correctly (we could also simply delete all subpages and images for example). poke | talk 00:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

As per Pling

Is this image usable one the wiki? I'm asking this 'cause Pling told me to <.<'--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Who drew that :D? Reaper of Scythes** 22:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

A friend of mine, the link to her deviantART page is under the photo :3--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

You should know that I look at Pling's talk page too, so I would have commented there; and I will do so.. tomorrow. poke | talk 23:03, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Eh, Indonchen took care of it <.<--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 23:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

DPL problem

Can you please take a look at List of Nightfall skill trainers and figure out why most of the Category:Nightfall skill trainers do not show up and either fix the DPL, or let me know that I have to do the list manually? Thanks Poke! -- Wyn talk 11:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I think the ones that aren't showing up use Template:Skill trainer list NF, while the ones that do show up use Template:Skill trainer list which is what the DPL calls. -- pling 12:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought that might be the problem, but for the individual pages to look correct, either the Template:Skill trainer list needs to be fixed to work correctly (which I couldn't figure out how to do) or the dpl call needs to be corrected to include both (which I also don't know how to do). All of which is why I asked poke to take a look at it, cuz I knew he'd be able to fix it one way or the other. -- Wyn talk 12:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Hacked together a version at User:JonTheMon/Sandbox/Template/Trainer --JonTheMon 15:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

fixed that. poke | talk 19:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

GWWT icon

File:GWWT.png what do you think? - Y0_ich_halt 18:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

while i'm not poke, the "GwW" is a bit hard to read. Overall I think that looks coll though =p ~ PheNaxKian 19:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

GWWT 2 already has an icon. poke | talk 19:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

You're such a tease.. -- pling 19:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I aim to tease. (ha :P) poke | talk 19:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

where? and that's really wasteful, making one where it's not needed but not adjusting for where it would be useful or at least cool :P - Y0_ich_halt 19:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The GWWT 2 icon is part of GWWT 2 of course.. :P poke | talk 19:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

yes, but i suppose it still contains the GWWT part which could be used here too. do as you like, i'll update the GWWT-fanbox now. - Y0_ich_halt 20:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Huh? GWWT 2 has nothing to do (in special) with GW2W, if you mean that o.O poke | talk 20:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

well in that case i don't see any problem with a unique icon for GWWT ^^ - Y0_ich_halt 20:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Skill Template Code help

Poke, I saw that you gave a very good description regarding skill template code on this wiki's discussion page for that topic. However, I'm still confused about many things. Heres just a few: a) what's with the flipping? why is that necessary at all? b) what does it mean to have "all binary codes... used and interpreted in the lowest-bit-first order"? ~Mervil 18:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, both are very related to each other and come from how a computer reads and writes data. Also "flipping" is probably a bad word for what exactly is done (flipping bits rather means we change 1 to 0, and 0 to 1), instead we reverse the bit string, and read from right to left. We need to do that, to follow the little-endianness (to be concrete, it's little-endianness with a 6-bit element size and variable block size).

To understand that, you should try to understand how the computer (or skill code generator) writes the data. As an example, let's use Lina's EotN build. Lina is Mo/A; has three attributes, 11 Divine Favor, 6 Healing Prayers, 12 Protection Prayers; and the following skills: Dismiss Condition, Guardian, Protective Spirit, Resurrection Chant, Reversal of Fortune, Shield of Absorption, Zealous Benediction, Return. First we translate this information using the IDs.

That gives us a primary profession 3, a secondary profession 7. There are 3 attributes, namely attribute 16 with a value of 11, attribute 13 with a value of 6 and attribute 15 with a value of 12. And the following skills are used: 1691, 258, 245, 1128, 307, 1399, 1687 and 770.

Now we translate this to binary numbers and also calculate some basic things needed:

Primary profession:   0000 0011
Secondary profession: 0000 0111
Length 4 + x:         0000 0000 (3 bits are enough to express both professions, 4 bits is the default length,
                                 so we don't need to reserve more bits for the professions)

Attribute count: 0000 0011
Attribute 1:     0001 0000    value: 1011
Attribute 2:     0000 1101    value: 0110
Attribute 3:     0000 1111    value: 1100
Length 4 + x:    0001 (we need 5=4+1 bits to express each attribute)

Skill 1:      0110 1001 1011
Skill 2:      0001 0000 0010
Skill 3:      0000 1111 0101
Skill 4:      0100 0110 1000
Skill 5:      0001 0011 0011
Skill 6:      0101 0111 0111
Skill 7:      0110 1001 0111
Skill 8:      0011 0000 0010
Length 8 + x: 0011 (we need 11=8+3 bits to express the skill with the highest ID (skill 1))

Template type:  1110 (14, value for skill templates)
Version number: 0000 (default value)

Now we have all information we need to build the template code. To do that now, we work using elements of 6 empty bits (6 because base64 works on 6 bits) and fill these elements from left to write by writing each data block from right to left.

...... ...... ...

First we write the Template type into the elements. The template format specifications says the block size is 4 bit, so we write 1110 into the bit stream:

..1110 ...... ...

Next we write the Version number; notice that the current element does not have enough free bits to hold the version block of 4 bits completely. So we split the block and write the remainding bits into the next element - again from right to left.

001110 ....00 ...... ...

Note that the the bits to the right (the least significant bits) are written first, so if the version number was 1100, the 11 part would be in the second element.

Now we write the profession information; the profession length (2 bits), the primary profession (4+0 bits) and the secondary profession (4+0 bits).

001110 110000 011100 ...... ...

Next up, the attribute count (4 bits) and the attribute length (4 bits).

001110 110000 011100 010011 ....00 ...... ...

And now the attributes 1, 2, 3 (4+1 bits) with their values 1, 2, 3 (4 bits), using the same rules.

001110 110000 011100 010011 000000 110111 100110 111101 .11000 ...... ...

Final part, the skills. We begin with the skill length (4 bits). With this step I'll also transform the first, finished elements using the base64 encoding, so we can save a bit room (the skills will take up a lot) - each element corresponds to one character in base64 encoding.

OwcTA3m9 111000 ...001 ...... ...

And now for the skills 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 (8+3 bits).

OwcTA3m9 111000 011001 010011 001011 010000 101010 000111 101000 110001 011001 110010 011101 111101 010010 001011 110000 .....0 ...... ...

Now we are basically done. We just fill the rest of the current block with 0 and translate it into base64:

OwcTA3m94ZTLQqHoxZyd9SLw 000000 ...

So the final template code is OwcTA3m94ZTLQqHoxZyd9SLwA. And just to double check, pvxwiki's template decoder seems to work correctly ;)

Now to understand why the doubled reversing of the binary code works, see this example:

If we for example have the following code, in which the block 12345678 was inserted: 5678....1234; and then reverse each block of 6 numbers we get ..87654321... When concatenating those we get ..87654321.., if we now extract the 8bit block, and reverse it, we get exactly the content we wanted: 12345678. So the double-reversing is actually just an easy way to work with it. poke | talk 20:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, Poke. Wonderful explanation. Above and beyond what I expected! I understand it now, thank you! Kind of fun, mathematically, how the double-reversing gets you exactly what you need. ~Mervil 17:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty, one last question. Here is the template code for a build I've been using to figure this whole process out: OwBi0xjM9wUmxwcwUBhwUDq/AA. Notice the TWO A's at the end? Thats a string of 12 0's. I can understand this if the last bit block (of 12 bits in this case) overlapped into 3 separate elements, but in this case, it ends midway through the 2nd to last element. This means there are 10 trailing zeros. In my line of thinking, there should only have been 4 trailing zeros added. Why is there an extra element of unnecessary trailing zeros added here? If the last A is removed from the template code, the code becomes invalid in GuildWars. Thanks! ~Mervil 21:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't have the time to answer before. I'm not totally sure about this, but from what I believe, the reason is the base64 specification. The specification was built on the idea to encode packs of 8bit words, with 3 packs grouped together each. If a group is not complete a special base64 padding is added to the end (a "=" symbol), that fills the rest.

Now with our templates, we don't have a fixed word size, we are only interested in storing single bits. On the other hand we can simply add zero bits to the end of the bit stream, without them being interpreted (because we only look at a fixed number of bits), so we can simply use "A"s instead of the base64 padding character to fill the packs.

Your example code works also with one trailing A (don't know why it doesn't for you); but I still guess that the base64 padding is somewhat important to the code generation, but I don't know to what extend. I guess it's up to the algorithm Guild Wars uses for generating and interpreting the code (I believe they do it a bit differently than our double-reverse way ^^). poke | talk 19:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

IRC again

Trying to connect to the gww channel and it says it's invite only?--neshot 09:55, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

There seemed to be an error, but I think it's resolved now (I'll check later). poke | talk 14:20, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm on now. =]--neshot 14:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Good :) poke | talk 14:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Chanserv crashed and set all the modes possible. I removed the bad ones once someone told me something was wrong. -Auron 15:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

For whom I have not yet expressed my appreciation.

ilu, Poke. ♥ is for Raine, etc. 05:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

:D ^^ poke | talk 00:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

green corner thing on feedback

Did you finish the better version of the green corner image on feedback pages? -- pling 20:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I seriously don't know where that file disappeared to (it was on my desktop before).. I'll go look for it when I have the time (and when you remember me again *cough*). poke | talk 00:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Chrome revisited

GWWT is currently refusing to load on the first pageload when navigating. It takes 1-3 refreshes to get it to show up, and it still tends to freak out when I'm trying to tag things. I've been scrounging for javascript errors, but none have shown up. Its just.....gone. Any ideas? -- Wandering Traveler 01:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

:/ I'll go install Chrome soon to check what's happening there.. poke | talk 12:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I'll keep prowling to see if I can find anything. :\ -- Wandering Traveler 18:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

[1]

I am interested in knowing as to why you reverted my edit, when in the majority of the other elections, even if a BCrat retained their seat, it still said they had been elected, not retained their seat. -- Lacky 06:29, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Because even if others didn't do it, it is still correct and more precise. There is no need to (try to) add consistency to something where consistency is clearly not needed but where a simple different statement brings in a lot more information. poke | talk 07:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for clarifying that up. -- Lacky 09:29, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Progressivism is so hawt. is for Raine, etc. 22:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Twitter feed

The tweet for Nick came through a bit garbled today. Is that automated or pulled from the wiki somewhere? -- FreedomBound 19:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The information is read from Nicholas the Traveler/Research; I'll update the code later to not break like that again. Thanks for the notice! :) poke | talk 20:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry

Didn't mean to remind you to break the wiki again. You'd think there would be a fix for that by now.--Pyron Sy 00:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem :) I was finished with my watchlist anyway, so it wasn't a problem for me :P poke | talk 12:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Do not remove comments from talk pages per GWW:TALK

Removing comments from talk pages is a violation of the GWW:TALK policy. In the future, please refrain from breaching policies. Thank you.

Loves to Sync 20:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

u r funny gai. -Auron 20:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Why was it actually removed? I found the lists useful, seeing as I wouldn't have to go and count them myself.-- pling 21:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Because constant vote updates are useless and spammy. -Auron 21:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Out of interest, would it be possible to knock up some quick code to count the number of entries and ignore any starting with <s>? Then we could chuck that template somewhere. It would have to be double checked for the final count (some people add #... to the end after votes, some do not), but would give a nice rough estimate. Misery 21:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikichu used to post them on Twitter, but he stopped (I think). I'd prefer something on wiki though if he recontinues. Also, Auron, my finding it useful kinda puts a damper on your claim it's useless. -- pling 21:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

There is no actual benefit of a pre-stage-4 vote tally. Therefore, it is useless to the wiki. On top of it being useless to the wiki, it is spamming the talk page with unnecessary crap. Your idle curiosity doesn't make something less useless. -Auron 21:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

By definition, something that is being used is useful. elix Omni 21:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I used your mom last night; that doesn't make her useful. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 21:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I rather think it does. elix Omni 22:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

"but he stopped (I think)" – I just didn't enable it this time..

"Removing comments from talk pages is a violation [...]" – By definition I would say that a simple statistics with no real personal text is not a comment...

And I think those lists are completely useless if not bad. The only thing they might lead to would be influencing people to change their opinion so a specific result is achieved. And really all they do on the wiki is spamming and cluttering pages. poke | talk 00:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Btw. is that request for reconfirmation a joke? If you didn't get it, I did that as a user, based on my opinion that these lists shouldn't be there, and based on previous discussion and comments on the topic. In no way was this related to any sysop-like actions; and as everywhere you are free to revert if you disagree, or even better try to convince me (and others) to keep such statistics around. poke | talk 00:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the reconfirmation request is ridiculous, but I pinged Aiiane about it anyway because it's what's supposed to happen. About time you get your spotless 3 year record besmirched. :) —Tanaric 17:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

When Poke loses his rights, someone needs to make sure Wikichu is desysopped too, otherwise there's no knowing what havoc Poke-chu will cause. -- pling 17:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

We should clearly give him a vasectomy too, so that he can't spawn children to carry out his revenge. —Tanaric 17:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

That was the first thing I read when I got on wiki today, Tanaric. WHYYYY. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 17:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

So we are going to feed the troll by going on with a ridiculous reconfirmation instead of nipping the problem in the bud by reverting the troll reconfirmation request and ban the troll? Allowing his joke bcrat nomination pop out cycle after cycle just made him bold enough to do this, and we are just going repeat the same mistake by keeping this around? Kay. I daresay one of the most important roles a sysop needs be to good at on this wiki is to be able to deal with trolls, especially with the influx of a substantial number of PvX community contributors. I see that setting a poor precedence is how GWW deals with it. Pika Fan 00:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Please read GWW:NPA and refrain from personal attacks Pika Fan. Thank you. Loves to Sync 13:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Read it yourself. Also, stop trolling. You're bad at it. Disrupting the wiki is a drop-down ban reason, and while Tanaric may be content with letting your disruption slide, I am not.

P.S. pretending other users are breaking policy when they clearly aren't counts as disruption. -Auron 14:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Calling me a troll and saying that my running for bureaucrat is a joke are unsubstantiated personal attacks. Loves to Sync 14:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

He wasn't personally attacking you bro, he was merely stating two facts. - Mini Me talk 15:33, 23 February 2010

(Edit conflict) Okay, let's end this so everyone can find something else better to do or keep picking on how Poke is going to lose his admin rights and take revenge by hacking ANet's servers and turning Guild Wars Wiki into Poke Wiki.

The vote tallies on the talk page should have been considered in good faith regardless of opinion. My opinion has already been stated rather well by Poke with, ""The only thing they might lead to would be influencing people to change their opinion so a specific result is achieved. And really all they do on the wiki is spamming and cluttering pages." The removal by Poke should also be considered in good faith due to the fact he had valid reasons for doing so. Poke was made aware of his good faith edit as being against policy, so there is no more to do with that.

Loves to Sync, the word Troll is not always a bad term and the general definition does fit in this case, but if you feel that you've been attacked, then Pika, refrain from calling Loves to Sync a troll and concentrate on the topic. After reviewing your contributions, the only time you seem to pop up is election time. So yes, you are abusing a broken election system. The restrictions on nominating a user are slack as anyone except for IPs can be nominated. I'll be straight up with you. Unless a user proves themselves, they will never be voted as a bcrat. It's common sense to the voters and the only reason I can see for you continuously nominating yourself is for your own amusement, so Pika is correct in his assessment. — Gares 15:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Gares, just look at some of his reasoning on his past elections, and you know he is definitely trolling. I am honestly surprised admins don't have the guts to openly invoke discretion to ban him right from the get-go, which is why he's pushing his luck right now. GWW needs to set a firm precedence with trolls in general instead of passively encouraging their negative endeavours by ignoring them or even playing into their hands, as seen by this recent reconfirmation fiasco. Pika Fan 19:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I really think Pika Fan has something personal against me and is trying to paint me as some kind of scary monster. Maybe it's because I sided with Ariyen/Kaisha the other day when she was fighting with Pika (see [2]])? Who knows? Loves to Sync 19:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

You could always try starting an arbcomm if you feel that way. Karate Jesus 20:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey Pika, read "the word Troll is not always a bad term and the general definition does fit in this case", hence I was agreeing with you. Probably should have used but instead of and. I hadn't bothered to look at his contribs in-depth since it's rather obvious his intentions and I know where this is going to end. — Gares 20:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I know you were agreeing with me, I just wanted to point out that he is undoubtedly a troll. A person who constantly runs for bcrat can be AGF as just being persistent, so I wanted to clearly differentiate between the two. Sorry for not coming across the way I wanted to and causing misunderstandings. Pika Fan 20:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Let's drop this here, since there is an RfR that apparently will be opened. --JonTheMon 20:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Trolls feed on attention. So all this discussion is not helping:

• Simply putting a few votes down on the candidacy/RFA, no needless comments => troll attempt thwarted
• Starting an endless discussion about whether someone should be banned, reconfirmed, stand for bureaucrat => troll attempt successful --Xeeron 14:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

• The RfA starting => troll attempt successful. -Auron 14:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Unsigned bot

Flame freely if this was discussed in the past :P
Could we, by any change, have a bot to automaticly mark the unsigned comments? It's always so nice to see these IP SF QQ'ers and other flamers when the skill or other big updates come out. It so awesome to go through the comments and mark them yourself :P Or is it possible to program Wikichu to do this? - J.P.Talk 11:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I think this has been discussed before, and the consensus was "No". It has something to do with the difficulty of setting something like that up, or the RC spam or something like that. Don't really remember. - Mini Me talk 12:56, 21 February 2010

One discussion about this, can be found here, but there are some other places too I think. poke | talk 16:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Reconfirmation

Hi Poke;

Since it has been more than a year since your RfA, according to policy the margin for reconfirmation requests has dropped to one. Thus, I'm required to request that you either start a reconfirmation for yourself, or I'll start one for you (due to this request) within 2 weeks. Sorry for the hassle. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 23:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem Aiiane, it's not your fault after all... <_< Though, I would like to wait until the election is over, before I start the RfA, if that is not a problem for you. poke | talk 23:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh come on. It's Loves to Sync. You can safely ignore him. elix Omni 00:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with that, poke. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

@Felix: It's not like anyone is taking this seriously. Except for Poke himself. - Mini Me talk 15:30, 23 February 2010

I am :o poke | talk 15:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

actually, I see this as a good thing. A fresh mandate is better than a two and a hlaf year old one. And RFA were supposed to be no big deal. Backsword 17:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

The request was obviously a troll post and falls into the same category as vandalism and can just be removed/ignored. The recon is bullshit. Drogo Boffin 23:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Backsword. No matter how it came about, the fresh mandate will be a good thing. --Xeeron 13:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful reconfirmation, poke. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 02:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

prefixindex

I know there was discussion(s) about it before but I can't find them, so: when will Special:Prefixindex work properly again? My wiki experience is much diminished without the use of my second-favorite Special page :( Vili 点 09:07, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

No idea :/ Maybe you should request it on the MediaWiki bugtracker.. (or maybe it is even already fixed in newer versions? No idea..) poke | talk 19:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Help

Hey poke, I really need to figure out how to make an infobox auto categorize some stuff. Feel like making my head hurt? -- Wyn talk 11:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Skill Template

I did that, since there are no elites for Ritualists and if you look in the history it gave a dpl error. I would like to see if you could fix this anyway. Much appreciated as I would like to readd the == No Attribute==back to the Ritualist Elite for future moves, adds, etc. Kaisha 19:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Uhm, the link links to List of no attribute skills#Ritualist, which does list a skill, and also has less to do with elite skills..? But maybe I misunderstand you? poke | talk 19:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. well, here's the problem (and look at the bottom of that page)that I saw, but I would like to keep == No Attribute == listed over on that site, except for that problem. Suggestions? Kaisha 19:33, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

That list has nothing to do with the template. The template links to the normal skill lists, that page however lists the elite skills. And there are no no attribute elite skills for ritualists, so having that section makes no sense. poke | talk 17:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I need your godlike wiki tech powers

For this. Please? - Mini Me talk 22:46, 27 February 2010

poke solved said issue a long time ago and I posted the solution there already (you actually ECed me for that edit but I forgot to put that >.>) ~ PheNaxKian 22:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry and thanks. - Mini Me talk 22:53, 27 February 2010

Wait I just realized that I have never added ((Edit conflict) ) to my conflicts. Drogo Boffin 22:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AlternativeUserTalk

So I was skimming through your reconfirmation page, and noticed that you said something along the lines of you helped bring/write the aforementioned MediaWiki extension to the Guild Wars Wiki. I was just wondering how can I get that to work for me please? -- Lacky 06:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You can't. It was added so that the Anet staff would still get "you have a new message" banners when we moved their talk pages to the feedback namespace.... period. -- Wyn talk 06:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh man... I always figured they moved the pages in the first place so ANet devs would stop getting the messages. ups. -Auron 06:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Interesting...thanks for that Wyn! -- Lacky 07:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

ContributionCount.js

Just as a quality of life change, it'd be nice if each namespace would link to the user's contributions in that namespace. (For example, running it for me gives "Main: 199" - it'd be cool if it were instead Main: 199 or something like.) Course, I could be the only one who cares, so. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 05:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I still don't see why we can't just install Editcount. Does it really make sense to limit the use of an edit counting tool to people who know javascript? elix Omni 05:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd be for that edit count. I think it'd help those who don't use the gwwt. Kaisha 05:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Felix, it's not limited to anyone =/. on GWWT it says "put this line of code in your address bar, press enter and fill in the popup box". There's no need to know any javascript =/. P.S. Poke: Shana S 2 is out =D ~ PheNaxKian 10:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

It requires a standard-compliant browser (which I'm guessing excludes IE < 8). I'd also rather have editcount than the script; the latter's more inconvenient to get to (even as a bookmark), people need to know about GWWT, and I'd rather have a separate page to see the results anyway. -- pling 11:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

the only (major) browser it's not mentioned working on is Chrome, it works on IE 7, and somewhat works with 6 (but very few people use 6 and need shooting if they do =/). The contribution count is only really used to check if you can vote in the BCrat elections, and i'm sure even with edit count installed you'd still end up with the same number of people going "hey i can vote" when they haven't even checked =/ ~ PheNaxKian 20:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Disregard that, I fail at reading. Fair enough. ~ PheNaxKian 20:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Reverting Historical Guild

Hi. So recently I've joined this guild, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Order_Of_The_Hijo_De_La_Luna_(historical) and after some talk with the leader we have decided to update our guildpage again. There is only one problem, it is set to historical, preventing me from updating some of the content. My question is, is it possible to undo this action? Thanks in advance.
Luthien Sarnorvel

I moved it back for you, you'll find it here for future edits. -- FreedomBound 15:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned talk pages

could you please tell me how to make a list of them (I remember you have some sort of "magic" way XD) ~ PheNaxKian 16:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Special:SpecialPages --> Special:LonelyPages -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 19:33, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

they're main pages though, not talk =p. ~ PheNaxKian 20:13, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The "talk pages where no associated pages exists"-list? I used a bot. poke | talk 22:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi

This. Thanks! Ryuu - talk 21:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Not possible. May I ask, why you would like to do that? poke | talk 22:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

This page. It's not really critically important or anything, though. (Obviously ^^") Thanks. Ryuu - talk 22:48, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Help please? :3

This and this says all. Can you please help? :3--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 00:25, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't really get it :/ poke | talk 00:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

"it'd be cool if you could put the userboxes into an invisible table that's, say, 75% page width -Armond" I dunno how ;-;--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 00:47, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if I understand it correctly... like this? poke | talk 00:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Think so, thanks :D--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 00:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Unless I read something wrong shouldn't it be like this? (75% page width) –alistic 00:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Hmm.. Maybe.. Imho those should be all the same height and floating automatically.. But expecting an identical height is nearly impossible for your userboxes <_< poke | talk 00:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

75% was just a random number I threw out after considering the width of the borders on both sides. I have no idea if it's a good one or not. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 22:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I know I already got several favors from you recently, but, yet another question...

I have a Microsoft word document with some indenting, and text color, text type formatting, etc. Is there a painless way I can convert it to wiki format exactly, as text, with the exact indenting, and whatnot? =/ Also, thanks for the table thing. :3 Ryuu - talk 00:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

You can export Word files to HTML (in Word 2007 you have to choose the filtered website option) but you'll still need to go through the code then, as Word tends to put unnecessary things in it, and also saves a lot things that don't work in wikis. And you have to move the css styles to inline styles (from class= to style= etc). poke | talk 01:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again! Ryuu - talk 01:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I could use your wiki coding abilities.

Over here, I have been attempting on finding a decent way to make the list shorter for scrolling issues - before it was like this, which was devastatingly too much scrolling. Would like to see if it is possible to shorten it more, without making it look "eh" which it may at the moment. I'm very much not a wiki coder. x.x -- Konig/talk 21:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, you missed the featured article deadline (as did I, but I got an excuse: I've been sick and not in my right mind this week. :p). -- Konig/talk 21:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I can't really think of a good way, to make that table much better.. Except maybe listing the icon before the meaning and dropping the borders in between.. But I don't know.

Also regarding featured articles.. yes.. maybe we should do it every 3 weeks anyway :P poke | talk 14:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

You have FAME?!

For some reason, I'd assumed that you were, liek, epixx PvE. is for Raine, etc. 15:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

That's cause he never talks about PvP. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 16:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

inorite! Poke's been holdin' out! is for Raine, etc. 16:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Poke has more PvP experience than most of the admins here, actually. Vili 点 20:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Poke better flaunt that bambi imho. is for Raine, etc. 21:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

It's actually a dragon. --RIDDLE 21:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Pretty sure 600 fame is a deer. is for Raine, etc. 21:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah! But guess again! You also were pretty sure he was "epixx PvE" --RIDDLE 21:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Why do you think I have 600 fame? poke | talk 14:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I clicked a link and found a probably-outdated number, someplace. is for Raine, etc. 14:59, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

It was on one of your old page layouts; idk how I got there. is for Raine, etc. 15:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, yes, it's quite outdated. poke | talk 15:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

How much fame do you have, Poke? is for Raine, etc. 15:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I am also curious. Your last userpage said 773.--neshot 16:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Getting fame sucks now. UW -> Fetid -> Halls a good deal of the time, maybe four maps on a good day. Bloody bs, tbh. is for Raine, etc. 00:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Please help 3;

Here, I can't get the box with the quote the same length as the picture. Is there any way to? 3;--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 01:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

This what you were looking for? - Tanetris 03:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thanks so much :D--/ u /nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

New?

Huh? - J.P.Talk 11:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a rerendering of the original trailer, using the new GW2 graphics engine! poke | talk 11:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok. But i don't see the difference :/ - J.P.Talk 12:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Then get the newest flash player or a better browser or whatever <_< poke | talk 12:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Text decoration

I know i should ask this from Galil, as it's his page. But since i know how inactive he is, the next wiki-wizard that comes to mind is you. This is what i'd like to know: Is it possible to pile up a code to make the "You have new messages" text scroll from left to right? Ofcourse then you want the whole box be the link to your talk page. You don't want to chase after the link :P - J.P.Talk 09:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

afaik, it isn't possible to marquee anything on a wiki without using your own javascript, but that would only be visible to you. however, it's easy to make an entire box link. ··· Danny Pew Pew 17:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, MediaWiki doesn't support marquees (phew!) and that's is actually the only way to have text move in some way (without utilizing JavaScript). Unless you are only planning that for yourself, I guess it's not possible. poke | talk 23:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki twitter

I'm currently rewriting the Guild Wars Wiki Twitter client (Wikichu), mainly to be able to work independently from the wiki. Currently all information is directly taken from the wiki, and in future, it will be able to get that data alone, and will only double check the wiki for any corrections. That way I can focus on quicker tweets (i.e. directly when the item changes in-game) and don't need to wait some grace-period to give people time to update it on the wiki. This was especially a problem with the current Zaishen Quest format, as people repeatedly didn't want to post predictions there. I hope this will change with the new format I came up, which will be implemented here, as soon as the Twitter changes are done (otherwise the new format on-wiki would be incompatible with the current way Wikichu parses the data).

On this occasion I would like to expand the information you currently get from the Twitter account. As of now, all we have is Nicholas the Traveler, Nicholas Sandford and Zaishen Challenge Quests; plus erratically news about weekend events, wiki elections and game updates (often belated by hours). I especially want to get the weekend events in there automatically, and will set up a better way to update that soon, and also the game update notifications will be more in-time in the future (maybe even with some information from the update's text?). And I'm also thinking of publishing predictions for ZQuests as well.

But the reason why I'm posting this in the beginning is that I want you to suggest anything you would find useful to be tweeted. I know that not everyone who might be reading this is even interested in Twitter (and I would like those to stay quiet about the usefulness here - as I definitely know that there are people who have use in it), but I'll also be publishing this discussion via said Twitter account, so I'm hopefully able to get some input from those who are interested in it.

Thanks for any replies :) poke | talk 22:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The current viral marketing campaign from ArenaNet seems to be a good candidate for stuff to add to the Twitter feed. GW2G has a thread, but it seems to progress by many pages per day, making it hard to follow. I'd love a Reader's Digest version of the events. Zahra 23:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

^ that. Also, those small (or big) bits of gw2 info that aren't really obvious, i.e. not on the official website. -- pling 23:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

out of curiosity, what are you using to do this? GWCA? ··· Danny Pew Pew 23:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to tweet when an anet employee updates their journal? These often convey information that I find useful or interesting at the very least. Shadow Runner 23:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I like the journal idea, that would be really quite useful. Regarding small information bits, or the viral marketing, it might be a bit harder, as those are released often when I'm not around, making it hard for me to follow (or even worse, I don't even get to know those things at all xD). But it might be possible to offer some way for such information, I'll think about it. Same with GW2 information, though I'll probably move those to that other account, when it gets too much. poke | talk 23:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) All of the above are really good ideas. May I suggest perhaps posting hot topics and wiki news? Basically what is on the community portal, for those of us who don't often have the time to check it. Personally I'm always connected to twitter in some way, so I think that would be helpful for people like me. -- Phnzdvn 23:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget when the wiki will be down :P (maintenance). The hot topics could be a good idea, but idk about including elections. --Dominator Matrix 23:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

might also be worth noting if an RfA or RfR has been started recently. ~ PheNaxKian 23:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy Easter

Hope you have a good one. Reaper of Scythes** 09:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Just your bi-wiki post.

Condition has been featured for 2 weeks. -- Konig/talk 21:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks ;) We might should think about increasing the time to 3 weeks though. poke | talk 22:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

There's a couple changes found from the article that don't match with the main page version, just to let you know. -- Konig/talk 01:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Boom

Kaboom goes RC Shadow Runner 19:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Nuked Reaper of Scythes** 19:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I am not impressed. I can still see 2 other edits. Better luck next time! - Mini Me talk 19:41, 6 April 2010

bla bla :P poke | talk 19:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Poke the Delete-inator ^^ -- Cyan 19:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Another nuke :o Reaper of Scythes** 14:20, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

suppress redirect

Why don't we have it? --JonTheMon 03:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

because you're not nearly as trustworthy as the pvx community is. ··· Danny Pew Pew

What do you mean, Jon? poke | talk 08:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikia implemented the ability for non-sysops to move pages without leaving a redirect. It's a little dangerous on pvx because it can be used to wipe votes, but there's really no reason not to have it here. -Auron 08:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Feel free to propose the addition of the suppressredirect right. poke | talk 09:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

What happens to the old page? Does it get deleted? -- pling 14:33, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, you know how when you move a page it creates a redirect? That doesn't happen. That's all. No deletion log entry, no page in the old spot. Nothing. Just a moved page. Misery 14:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

So it's less of a redirect and more of a rename? -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 02:33, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and it saves a load of unnecessary deletions by sysops. Users have the choice whether to leave a redirect or not, so if it's strictly a rename (misspelled, non conforming with policy, etc.) there is no clean up needed by sysops. If it is something where you do want a redirect to remain, you can do so. -- Wyn talk 02:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering for a minute about vandalism, but I suppose there wouldn't be unnecessary delete logs for the reversions either. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 03:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I have asked Emily to get this added btw. it might take a while though as I added that it is low priority. :P poke | talk 06:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Er. We're ignoring GWW:TECH for this? -- pling 14:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Basically, yes. poke | talk 19:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Since we're on the topic of redirects, wasn't there an check box for "Update any redirects that point to the original title" Whatever happened to that? –alistic 23:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

There weird. It should still work. I'll test it later. poke | talk 11:06, 15 April 2010 (UTC)