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EULA Question

Refusal to pay/being scammed on a run payment or dungeon run/mission run etc... is it a break of the EULA. Because if it is, I could not find it. Also, is this really a banable offense like I hear everyone claim it is? Rappy 04:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

It isn't. — ク Eloc 貢 07:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not something to do with ANet, it's an agreement between two players, so not part of the EULA. Not bannable (unless you somehow got to the point of disrupting other players a huge amount maybe), but certainly not a nice thing to do either. purple llama 07:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Scammers wont be banned for singular offenses, but iirc someone who is reported for multiple big scale scams might get blocked. -- (gem / talk) 08:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

So there is nothing that can be done if someone scams you out of 2.5k? Making an agreement to pay for something then not paying? Rappy 08:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

iirc? Also, it's a personal agreement. It's like in real life. Say someone offers to run you on their back to the stores for 2 (lol). When you get there, you don't pay him. There's no way for police to enforce it if it was a private agreement which wasn't signed upon. — ク Eloc 貢 10:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The difference being of course is that in person you could "persuade" yon scammer to pay, while on gw you have no such ability. -- Salome 16:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

And in real life you can sign an agreement, and that piece of paper can be used to force someone to pay. But yeah, there's no way in GW to do that. The best you can do is to buy runs from well known runners and runner groups. Those groups usually ask you to pay up front since you can always trust them but they can't trust all customers. This way everyone gets what they want. They get your money and you get the run. :) -- (gem / talk) 17:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Runners usually ask for part payment at each step of the way. It's a compromise in trust. Alaris 17:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Basically service trades are not a supported feature of guildwars so therefore you have no claim to the money. To coin a phrase, it isn't worth the paper it is written on. If you are a runner I think you have to accept that most people pay on a goodwill basis and occasionally someone won't pay up and that is a loss you need to account for yourself and reflect in your charges if you must. --Lemming 18:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreements of this nature between what are essentially two private parties cannot be enforced by Support. Not can anyone in Support force payment by taking money from an account and giving it to someone else -- that is literally impossible. If someone is reported multiple times for scamming players, and Support is able to verify that abuse, then they will block that account. At some point, if a player is involved in persistent scamming, Support will terminate the account. -- Gaile 20:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe that it is potentially against the EULA, as stated in section 6:

(d) Member Conduct. You agree not to use the Service to:

(iv) take any action ... as determined by NC Interactive at its sole discretion that is harmful, ...abusive, harassing, tortuous, ... hateful

In my opinion, scamming falls into all of those categories. If NCSoft agrees with me, then it is against the EULA. That pretty much applies to anything you do in-game. If NCSoft doesn't like it, it's against the EULA.--Ronduwil 23:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

A better thing to site would be this rule of conduct:

1. While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason.

As defrauding players covers scamming of nearly any sort. Rules of Conduct entries are enforced by the EULA here:

4. (j) ... Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character's ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.

which is pretty much what Gaile said right above us to begin with. Scamming can lead to possible suspension and eventually termination.--Goteki-45 13:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

My friend and multiple accounts

My friend has bought all the guildwars games, but he accidentally put prophecies on a different account to the other 3. Is there a way for him to merge the accounts somehow? — Ebañy Salmonderiel 20:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There isn't 80.200.88.13 21:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Have him or her contact Support. Support cannot merge accounts, but they may have some ideas on this subject. -- Gaile 03:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok then, thanks Gaile :). — Ebañy Salmonderiel 18:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem

I seem to be having a problem and I don't know where to go to report this bug. Alright well I decided to delete my perma pre mesmer because I was bored, when I went to go remake a new mesmer in factions I named it something random then decided to go remake it but it wouldn't let me delete it and I had an open character slot. When I went to go create it I couldn't create because I already had a character made apparently and it is really annoying because I can't seem to figure out why it's doing this I'll take screens of it and show it to you because I really want to make a mesmer. --Hellbringer(T/C) 00:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol nvm. Fixed it somehow. Friend told me to log out of gw and log back on. --Hellbringer(T/C) 00:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad it worked out. In the future, for issues like this, you'll get faster and more direct help by posting on our QA lead's page. His name is Mike Zadorojny and he's great at getting to the bottom of problems of all types. -- Gaile 00:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Guru moderators ABUSING powers

I have a huge problem with guildwarsguru (your TOP-rated fan site) the moderators on the website are abusing their powers... constantly. For some reason, at least one of the mods has an edge against me and continues banning me from guru for no reason whatsoever. Also, seems as if 90% of the threads I've ever created have been deleted or locked... and the locked ones have Mods flaming me (in case you didn't know, flame means talking bad about someone) Right now, I'm serving a one month ban for "Learn to control yourself and clean up your posting habits." and I'm completly confused because for one... my posting habits? I post maybe five or six times a week tops. I visit the website everyday to check for stuff like New Mini's/weapons/updates etc... but dont post.

The only thing that would make me eligible for the ban would be that I commented on another members service (fame farming) in my OWN Fame Farming service thread. I said that I'm not a horrid scammer like him and don't require you to be an armbrace duper yo pay for the service. I siad this because he was charging 3k a fame... (thats a FAME, not a win. So if your team won Fetid that would be 6k for that map + 3k for the first, thats 9k for winning twice which any unranked heroway or IWAY can accomplish.) he also made you hand him your hall drops (doubt he's ever been to halls, but whatever). Thats why I created a service that was 2k a win, you keep hall drops.

The thread got deleted... so I remade it the thread with no beef at all except for "cheaper than the other guy".

As far as control yourself? I don't know what this mod is reffering to. In my opinion, in-game matters shouldn't apply to a forum, or thats abusing powers. For the mods out there that play HeroesAscent, they're probaly reffering to the fact that I enjoy kicking anyone out of the group that I feel is not up to my skill level (pings a bad bar, or has a retarded armor that gives them very low health)

I would really be pleased if you could look in to my "ban case" on guru, my name is "Noxify" on it and I feel that the mod that banned be is abusing his powers greatly.

I feel that any site that has admins or mods abuse powers should not at all be respected by arenanet as a top-rated fan site. I feel you should seriously investigate the site for mistreatment, if you look at many posts that I have on that site you will see members calling me a "noob" or other mistreatment. But whenever I say anything... I get a banstick? I thought a rule was that you can't post in-game names of people on that site, but apparently people can say "Noxify The Savior sucks at this game, he tried to be an Mo/E nuker... LMAO!!!! NOOOOB!!"

Thanks a billion if you look in to this case, awaiting for feedback from you.

Also, thanks for reading this statement as it is large in length.--'ÑöẊĭƑý 04:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

GWG, GWO, Guild Hall, etc. are all independent fansites. Anet has nothing to do with the administration at any of them. Gaile could probably ask as favor, but otherwise, you're out of luck.

I've been banned on GWG and GWO on unrelated problems, both of which got sorted. The moderators are tossups, but the admins on both sites are great about communicating. I was even a little rude to the GWO admins and they remained reasonable and helpful. If you haven't already, that's what I'd suggest. MA Anathe

Gaile has no power over Guru... which I avoid for problems like this. I would recommend you do the same. -- Armond Warblade 06:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Noxify, you are more then welcome to contact me about your ban. webmaster@guildwarsguru.com Inde 06:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I also think that the mods are sometimes out of line when they close threads that people are actively posting in (not spamming kitten pictures). A lot of them are definitely more aggressive and abusive than they allow, but hey what can ya do. Oh, and Gaile has no control over it whatsoever. --Deathwing 06:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Just kind of watch what you do on the site. GWG is pretty quick to the banstick, I've had it happen to me for pretty much nothing, but it normally doesn't last that long. — ク Eloc 貢 06:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Just to confirm: ArenaNet has no control over administrative actions on the part of any fansite. Having said that, failure to properly moderate a forum can earn an adminstrative action on our part that results in a change in a fansite's status, just as abuse of the Terms of Use or a breach of the Guild Wars Community Fansite Program rules can also result in repercussions within and beyond our program. This has occurred for some fansites in the past.
There are obvious differences in the level and quality of moderation amongst the fansites. I know this from personal observation, since I visit all the sites and I can see the results of alerting threads and requesting information, just as any other member can see. You are free to join the site that best suits your particular needs and meets your personal standards. And you are free to let ArenaNet know of your concerns, at any time. It is not possible for us to mediate issues of the nature that you point out, but we can be informed. For in the end we are the arbiter of a site's connection with our game and our company, and we take that responsibility very seriously. -- Gaile 07:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

So basically there's nothing that can be done about it except appeal to Inde. If it happens often enough ANet can make guru less popular. Which might or might not work. -- Armond Warblade 07:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

It'll definetely slow down their number of new users for sure. — ク Eloc 貢 07:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to add that the information on guru isn't informative but 'biased' at best. Just look at this article: [[1]]

maybe someone should add a disclaimer at the link to guru, I have never seen so much Faction bashing in my life, not even in Factions-bashing threads. Yet like the article about pets (which is both outdated and completely wrong in soem cases) people seem to use it as if it were written by Gaile herself. Same goes for the pricelists...guru simply has too much misinformation so a disclaimer should be in order, IMHO. That doesn't mean I don't visit though. :P The forum is pretty cool. 87.210.150.58 08:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd actually call that a rather neutral article, based only upon observations of the player base. (I'm also surprised that it was written by my old guild leader. o.O) -- Armond Warblade 09:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't follow your posts on guru, but looking at this topic here on GWW just a few posts back, I can advise you to leave all the capitals and the wtf's for what they are.. They don't help you state your opinion, text does ;-) It just irritates people and makes your posts less appealing ;-) Good luck with your talk with Inde ;-) grtz -- (Tribina / talk) 12:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never found Guru moderators to be abusive of their powers. Strict, yes - necessarily so. The Guru forums have strict posting policies, especially in Ventari's (the sell forum), but the policies are stickied for everyone to see. If you ignore Guru policy, expect a ban. Simple as that. --Snograt 12:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you even try contacting Guru moderators for clarification? Always try something like that first, like emailing Inde, before complaining about a site on another site. -- ab.er.rant 12:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

ok, to the post on GWW, I say pretty much whatever I want. Thats why I had "WTF" in there. On some of the other Anet employees comments they say "shit" and other words deemed innapropriate. So I feel no harm is done by adding a simple "WTF" which is used probaly millions of time in chat on GW.

To Indy, thanks for the e-mail... couldn't find anything like that due to the fact that evertime I try to view the site it just says "banned" and cleaering my cookies didnt helps me find that em-mail. I'm sending that as we speak so don't worry^^

@Gaile, sorry about that with asking you to look into it! Thought you were an adimin or something (cause of your green name, guessing green is VIP? still not sure)--'ÑöẊĭƑý 17:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how I put a box around that... sorry if its annoying. I must be better at wikis than I think if i can put boxes in without knowing what I'm doing ^^--'ÑöẊĭƑý 17:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

That happens if you put spaces at the beginning of a line.-- Brains12 • Talk • 17:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the Op that GWGuru is abusing its powers with Gestapo tactics and Fascism, i stopped visiting the site (and others like it) 3 months ago as i couldn’t handle the attitude and pathetic attempts to stop free speech in this day and age. My suggestion to Gaile and to Anet is to start your our own official Forums (I’m not talking about Wiki here) this would be free of Gold selling ads (and ads altogether) and would it would be free of the evil that is GW Guru. --58.107.47.95 22:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This is really not the place to discuss issues that individuals may have with fansites. As I've stated, we are not part of the administrative or moderator team, and cannot deal with member appeals. Major issues concerning fansites would, of course, be of interest to us. For instance, if a fansite started hosting gold ads, we'd want to investigate and consider if their placement in the program continued to be appropriate. But individual user matters should be taken up with the fansite in question. I will archive this conversation now. If someone feels that there is merit in creating a fansite page on this wiki, he or she is welcome to do so, and it is there, and not here, that such contributions and discussions should be placed. Thank you for understanding. -- Gaile 00:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Bonus Mission Pack Bug: Lost item

Hey Gaile. I experienced something I've never seen or heard of before this evening. When I was doing the Togo mission in the BMP I, as usually, swapped my ordinary weapon for the Staff which is needed for the mission. However, when I had completed the mission the Scythe was gone. I've checked my whole inventory, even dragging my mouse over all squares to see if it's just "transparent". I've also checked out my storage, but it's not there either. When I swapped the staff I had no heroes, which could have accidently got it, or any merch windows open, so I did not accidently sell it. I am also positive I did not drop it as I saw it just before I enterd the mission and did not open my inventory after I had started the mission.

Any ideas what this could be and if there's any chance to get any compensation for this? I understand it's hard for me to prove this as there are no evidences. Best regards/ Mandorin 22.35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry to hear about this. You should definitely file a support ticket and they'll do what they can to investigate this. Best of luck. -- Gaile 00:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Gold Selling Site's

I Know that you guys do all the best to prevent them from selling things. But I have got a site who is selling things for more then a year ore longer. I don't buy items there. But they are advertising on many site's in banner's, buy here! buy here! etc. Can't you guys do anything to this. Can't you guys kick that site from the internet? They are selling almost everything... in dollars,euro's etc. The site is: <link removed> --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:145.53.242.142 .

There are lots of pages selling gold, services, etc. Unfortunately there's little that can be done about it. As far as I know the best way is to keep banning their accounts in the game and making professional gold farming as hard as possible. -- (gem / talk) 17:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

arenanet has no legal stand point to have these sites removed etc etc. It is only not allowed according to there in game EULA which means the only thing they can do is ban accounts. --Lemming 18:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Can I recommend that if you don't want to see these adverts, download Adblock Plus, It's free and open sorce, and an extention for the firefox browser. I hardly ever see ads, and if then only once. link! RT | Talk 18:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

he means in game gold selling. :P plus adblock blocks the dogpile.com loading page >.>

anyways yes arenanet has no legal abilitys in this but....maybe add a link blocker to local? (but not in gh's, team, alliance and guild chat....). that would help...

or the /report gold seller and... /report real world trader with a strict "10 reports will result in a ban till you are proved non-guilty"... that would help. 68.151.27.108 06:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I think there also a dark side to it how bad this may sound it good that there are gold sellers those people make a buisnis for Anet the gold sellers buy accounts Anet bans then they buy new accounts for the bots Anet bans it's a cycle i think be glad they are there they also keep the game running for gold sellers buy accounts for there cash. altleast that is what i think over it. Cult Mephisto

(Reset indent) Actually, we are not in favour of gold sellers, and we work very hard to remove them daily. Any of the "good" that you might see from their presence (such as the purchase of a new account) is offset by the costs of our tracking down bots and gold sellers and booting them. In other words, our profit from the sale of a game is probably lower than the cost we expend in removing that gold seller. -- Gaile 07:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ehhh Gaile i do not completely understand it i hate gold seller as mush as most of us and i realy think that they should be gettin the boot asap. But them buying new account on a daily base sounds like profit to me so what i do understand or i think i do is that tracking down those Ba*t*r*s cost you more money as for what they bring up or do i understand it wrong. Cult Mephisto

Think about how many man hours it costs in writing tracking programs, monitoring them, physically doing checks yourself, etc etc, the bulk of the cost would be on payroll, and all the associated costs with that, as well as needing a larger work premises for them to work out of and all the rent, bills etc that it costs to run that space. So even if you had a team of say only 5 people working on it full time, it would still cost a lot to run over the course of a year. --Lemming 17:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Also alot of the accounts being used maybe be "stolen" accounts...i think they put a stop to the trial accounts being used since you can't trade..although i believe they can still drop items in an explorable area.Coridan 19:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No. Per the December 20 2006 update, trial accounts can neither trade nor drop items to prevent them being abused and/or being exploited for those nefarious purposes. Clan Yumemiru 20:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Trial accounts may not be able to actually do the gold selling due to not being able to trade or drop items, but they can still spam cities with gold advertising in local chat. --Nkuvu 15:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Account in Use by someone else

Gaile, I would like to direct your attention here He says his account is being used by another and has contacted support but its been 2 days now Coridan 17:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if you know ;)

I might have posted on the wrong page earlier Here we go (again)
"I was reading a book earlier today and it had a city called 'Askelon', and a race called 'Drin' (like 'rin'). Just wondering if you guys got the names from the book "In the hall of The Dragon King" by Stephen Lawhead. And also, (tell izzy to nerf bloodspike more)(i saw xen of ownslaught running it and its so gay). Thanks." 24.141.45.72 22:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Tenuous links much. -- Salome 00:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The name 'Askelon' was hardly invented by Stephen Lawhead. See here, for example. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 00:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Where's the bit that says "and the Char shall invadeth..."? ;-) Biscuits 01:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

ROFL. Biscuit i hate you man, you have to give me some warning when you're gonna say something that funny! I just spat tea all down myself from laughing -- Salome 09:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

ha problems -.-

ok im getting real fed up of people making fun of those who ha,apparently r1 gladiator scrub nub beats a r9 hero?O.o,how does this work out?im sure if any of u check izzys page and see a discussion between skuld,nicky silverstar and others u will see what i mean >.>.i just think ha should be more embraced instead of made fun of lol...second,id like to propose a new reason to report people ingame....something like purposly annoying others in pvp?example,if any of u ha im sure u have met sissygirl.....the perma shadow that bots until your team maps out so he can farm fame....or runners in ra,who keep your team waiting an extra 5 minutes for one match....also there should be a instant dc for such things as 8+ reports on one person....plz add the new report option,or propose putting in a timer in the lvls in ha without one....ie 10 min then team with highest score wins if stalemate,instead of 1 hour of the actual good team waiting and waiting to find out the perma shadow is a bot or a person with no life or friends whatsoever who's only enjoyment comes from annoying other people or sitting in a dark corner waiting for a solicitor to call.....Snipey lizard 21:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Say something useful instead of the same trash again and again. — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 21:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

yah u tell em skakid --Cursed Angel 21:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't someone's opinion useful, skakid? Maybe no one should listen to you, see how would like it, eh?--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 02:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Izzy

Do you have contact with him? If so, can you ask him why he's no longer active and answering questions/taking suggestions anymore? His last edit was November 8th, a month and a half ago.--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 03:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

We don't know how often he reads the page, and given the huge amount of flameing/trolling/QQing that occurred every time he commented, I can't really blame him for not posting. Lord Belar 03:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Mebbe we should sort out the flames and QQs and save only useful suggestions?--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 03:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it'll solve the archiving problem too. Lord Belar 03:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protect his talk from anons or users created within the past week, or with <20 contributions? If possible, it would sharply reduce the QQ'ing at Izzy. Calor (t) 03:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Only protecting that you mentioned that's actually possible is blocking anons. You can't protect a page from users created in the last week, or w/ less than 20 contribs. At least, you can't on GuildWiki...--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 03:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x2) I know I certainly wouldn't want to read a page-full of people stating how much I suck. Seriously, I'd like to see even half those people give his position a try. IMHO (for what it's worth) he's doing a good job, they're just crying since their precious imba builds got destroyed. — Galil 03:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

And because the other guy's not imba build wasn't nerfed. Lord Belar 03:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Good job you say? Antiarchangel 06:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

There will always be people who complain about skill changes. Some choices are good, some are bad, some make little difference. The fact of the matter remains that skill balances do still happen, and that indicates an ongoing effort to keep PvP balanced. Considering all the filth that's coming Izzy's way, I definitely do think he's doing a good job. So your insta-win build got nerfed, and you have to make some more effort? Big deal, it's not the end of the world. -- Elv 14:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

OFMG IZZZY GFFAAAAAIIIIILLLLZZZ!!!!111½2222111111ONEONEONEELEVEN NERRFFF TEH VAMPEIRC GAZZEE !!!11 IZ TOO PWERFULL --Cursed Angel 23:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Can't you say that at an other tone. I can hardly read it. Death Sligher 00:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Why does Vamp Gaze need a nerf? I haven't PvP'ed in ages, so I have no clue what the FotM is, etc., etc. And CA, it wouldn't exactly be wise to say Izzy fails right now, with his current situation on the wiki. Calor (t) 00:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

CA, no. Just.. no. Quieten down please. -- Brains12 • Talk • 00:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

FotM = flavor of the Month. Plus you know I'd rather not have Izzy here with half the people on his page RA and pve noobs who think they can balance real pvp. Antiarchangel 01:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Isaiah is super busy, doing all that he does for Guild Wars while working on Guild Wars 2, as well. It's really not my place to tell him "Hey, get crackin' on the wiki, dude!" :) I'm sure when he can, he will.
I want to make sure that everyone understands something important: Each ArenaNet employee who posts on the Guild Wars Wiki does so as a volunteer (just like you) and we often do our GWW contributions outside of normal working hours. So, I do know that you guys would like to have a dialogue with Izzy, but realistically, he may simply not be able to offer that right now. Thanks for understanding. -- Gaile 02:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Can we make that {{Busy Izzy}}? That rhymes, doesn't it. Marco's getting to me... Thanks for clarifying that, Gaile, for many users who don't understand Izzy's full role at ANet. Calor (t) 02:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't understand it until now. Thanks for clarifying, Gaile.--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 21:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Confused since Factions

Dear Gaile When I played Guildwars Profecies I had fun in playing it. I played al missions till the end. Then I was thinking to quite playing. But I found FoW and UW who were hidden in Kryta. I just played for fun from that moment. Then Guildwars fations came out and I started just the same. But then they changed something. They introduced the title system. In the first place I did nothing with it but on one day I looked at it and it was saying you have 4max title so I was thinking lets make it 5. Because players who had those title's were experienced players. It went on title after title just to be as good as the players above me. Because if you hadden those title's you were a noob. Or just not as good as other players. This wasn't when guildwars profecies came out then you could play it without having to achief things ingame. Now you will say you don't have to get those title's it is your own way of player a game. But you were just as more players farming for crazy for that Little cute Polar Bear and that is sort of the same. And as an example you have to play 82days 8hour the day to get kurzick title maxed If you do the HFFF run the fastest way to get those points. You can't say me thisn't crazy. It is good that we can achief things in this game, but in this way it is more if you are player in front of a rubber band in a factory. Then GWEN came out. Here they introduce the hall of monument were you can save things you have done ingame so you haven"t done things for nothing. But this leads to points you want to fill it as much as you can so you will get a good start in GW2. And you will start play more and more. This will lead to you have to go with guildies in dungeons on HM if they go otherwich you won't complete does dungeons. And you have to do this sort of things to get those title's etc. These things are in my view just keeping the players in this game. On an addictive way of playing. But way? We don't pay each month for this game so you guys don't need the money each month. And we will buy new guildwars games because it is a beatiful game, so you don't need us therefor either. My thoughts are a game should be to play for fun but guildwars is becoming a factory with grinding things. Were players got addictive to because you have 28title's max and you just want to have those last two but then you have to play for 81days to get kurzick maxed ore you will have to run treasure's for about some months. I think this is crazy that is way I typed this. How do you guys think about this and how do you think about this Gaile. And one more thing there are players playing Guildwars for more then 8000hours in 34months isn't that sick to play a game that long. Death Sligher 09:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

We know there's a lot of grind in titles. Apparently the majority of people decided they wanted more grind in a game that was specifically designed around not grinding, so the game was made bad so sales would stay high. That's business. -- Armond Warblade 10:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

epic lulz, all titles are worthless except for the drunkard title, don't try to get them or u will lose ur life, also faction farming is kind of sad --Cursed Angel 10:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I dont think you can say "the game was made bad" due to them introducing grind. Even though they did introduce grind, none of it is compulsory, it is just peoples own ego and desire to earn rewards for GW2 which motivate them to continue to work on them. I myself want to max 30 titles, even though im many many man hours and millions of platinum away from that goal. This however doesnt mean that I think anet are making me do this, im choosing to. The closest they have come to introducing grind in the game is the norn, asura, vanguard and deldrimor title, as these now effect access to certain NPC's however even then you only need to grind for them if you really want the consumables, armour or weapons from those npcs. (Also just on a side note to Gaile, the charslayer weapons are still majorly bugged and need fixed, if we have to grind to get access to them we should at least be able to use them once we purchase them) In conclusion GW has very little compulsory grind in it, just what you yourself choose to do, decides how much grind you will have to go through. Now im off to labourisouly farm more faction. (Which i'm choosing to do and is not anets fault that im choosing to do so) -- Salome 10:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

more epic lulz, another one addicted --Cursed Angel 10:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yep I think the game would be better without it, I mean why go sells down from no title you only now that there are title's in the game if you have buyed it. And I think this only get people to play addicted infortunatly no game, considers to do samething at it. But at WoW it even worse then in Guildwars. I hope they won't make GW2 more grinding. with more title's who take MORE hours then they already are.

@Salome, "the game being made bad" is like Eye of the North where pretty much all of the content revolves around grinding titles. When the titles were first introduced they didn't matter, but now they actually affect your gameplay, access to certain things and GW2. - BeX 11:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't quite follow, the game is made to have fun, and each of us have a different opinion on the word fun. For one person fun equals chatting ingame with guildies and friends, for someone else it equals getting as much titles as possible. You don't need to pay monthly for the game, which means there is no 'marriage' to the game, you play when you want. Titles and HoM is all about personal objectives, they won't give you any benefits from other people in GW2, it is just a choice you can make wether to go for them or not, a choice given by A'net. And please.. If people have fun playing the game for +8 hours a day, let them have their fun, who are you to decide when a certain hobby gets sick? I think most of us are old enough to decide when and what they play ;-) grtz -- (Tribina / talk) 12:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Even though it's totally up to the player what he wants or doesn't want to do, the community and the game do have effect on what the player feels that he is required to do in order to have fun. Currently many titles have a very big effect on the game because players gain boosts and better skills from them. Basically this forces players to grind those titles to gain the benefits so that they can enjoy the game. I'm not saying that these extra skills and bonuses are realyl necessary, in reality the game is easy even without them. But the human nature is that things should be done the easy way if possible, and therefor these titles lure people into grinding even though most of them hat the grind.

Also, giving feedback on these issues is wise. Without feedback the company wont know what they could do better and what they succeeded in. Feedback is the basis for any successful service, and MMOs are indeed services, not just products. -- (gem / talk) 12:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with both Tribina and Gem. However title gaining is still a choice and not necessary. It's true that the titles now affect pve skills, however those skills are not a necessity and if people want them and wish to power them up thats still their own choice, if they cant be bothered to do so or dont have the time to do so, then really its not a massive issue as many of the skill can be replaced with ordinary skills or a competent player can build his away around them. All im saying is that none of the grind is strictly speaking necessary, it is only as necessary as ones own desires. If you want the GWEN armours then it is a bit of a grind admittedly but ultimately its not that onerous a task and the armours aren’t necessary to enjoy and compete in the game. I'm not disregarding peoples feelings here I just don't really see the problem. no compulsory grind = good thing! I never really understand arguments to remove options from the game. Why reduce the amount of stuff one can opt to do and be rewarded for? Unless of course this plea for a removing of grind actually means "give us access to all the gwen armours and npcs and max powered pve skill for absolutely no effort what so ever!". I'm not accusing those arguing against grind here as having that mentality, i'm just trying to understand the basis for wishing to remove optional content. IMHO i still think that the allegiance titles for sunspear/ lightbringer/ norn/ asura/ vanguard and deldrimor titles should instead be made into an account based title like luxon and kurzick faction (obviously with a massive increase in the requirements to reach the max level in the title). At least that way you would only have to farm the faction once per account, rather than 10 times in my case. Apart from that, I don’t see anything wrong with the current system. Also Cursed Angel, do you ever actually discuss things in a constructive manner or is it always just snide wee remarks you offer instead? -- Salome 13:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

If you only play guildwars because you think it is a good game, so you don't play other games. Then you do need at the moment titels to say he am playing long, and he I'm not a noob look I have those and those title. This leads to addictive play. You just want to hold on the status of other players. And they are addictive because they play long to get those things. What means you have to play longer to reach the same status what makes you are getting addictive to. That the problem at the moment. And skills as pain inverter are really powerfull but then you need to have azura max. So you have to grind for it. And you are right it is getting worse. First the title then HoM and now you need title's to get powerfull skills. I hope it won't get worse I hope they stop adding things who put players in addictive way of playing a game. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:145.53.242.142 (talk).

Well in the end GW hasn't much grind it has some but sure it's not bad sometimes i hate it to do so to max them out but i choose to. But what i think is wrong with titles is the Elitsm how people react, from personal expirience most people with 25plus titles maxed aren't the most pleasant players to play with (THIS IS MY EXPIRIENCE WITH THOSE PLAYERS). And what i do hate is that those players use titles as an excuse to exclude players if they seem fit Titles and Some personalities just don't mix they make arrogant and selfish and egoistic players (YET AGAIN THIS IS MY PERSONAL EXPIRIENCE IN THE GAME.) Cult Mephisto

Guildwars has something agains addictive players you will get you have played for ... hours plz take a break every hour:D. That is working great for addictive players isn't it. Does it work no people just go on with there playing and laugh look it says your playing for 13hours. BTW I hope they quit title's out of GW2, so that we won't get addictive again in GW2, I hope Anet will be the first one in game economy who does something agains game addictive. Beside they don't need the money each month what Death Sligher is saying. So they don't need players to play day and night.

(Reset indent) We have consistently and respectfully listened to our community, and the addition of titles and other in-game goals is a direct result of the requests of those who choose to spend more time in the game, and desire a reward for having done so. I understand your comments, but I don't feel that this sort of commentary is appropriate for my talk page. I will archive, and you are welcome to express your opinion about titles or other attainments either on those topical pages or on your personal talk page. Thank you for understanding. -- Gaile 18:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Altrumm Ruins International 1-Bot Central

Hi Gaile,

When you get a chance sometime, stop by Altrumm Ruins Internatonal District 1 in Factions and just sit for a few minutes. Count how many Mo/Me 20's keep running out... it looks suspiciously like a bot carnival is going on. I've sat and reported them for about 10 mins, but it gets out of hand. There may be a legitimate reason, but it looks to me like its just a ton of bots. Erpbridge 05:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Add beetle tun, bergen spring, inter droks, kamadan, shing jea. There everywhere.... 68.151.27.108 05:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeap, Altrumm is THE place for bots. I reported a few of them once...I thought it got fixed in an update soon after that, but evidently they have a new method. Still, every report helps. Silver40596

There is one good side to it though...If you keep inviting them into your party, for some reason they will eventually accept you. When they do, if you run out of the radar so that their name is grayed out they won't leave. They run up to a certain spot, cast all of their enchantments on you, then run into the monsters with no enchants on them. It is quite funny to watch. --76.2.228.99 05:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to try this, it would be amuzing to leave some bots hangin' in the middle of a zone.

Hmmmm... they seem to have gone. Sat here for 30 mins looking for bots to annoy and they are all missing. All i can think of is either the bots read wiki or everyone got themselves accepted into a bot party and zoned out and left the bots hanging in an explorable area. -- Salome 19:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Or the third alternative, someone *cough* read this and took care of the matter, at until the next batch comes along. ;) -- Gaile 19:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Rilohn Refuge ID1. All Asian-named Elementalists systematically zoning, walking down the hill, turning, walking out. Calor (t) 19:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Gaile, maybe you should have a botwatch page too! =D --Ravious 02:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

That might be a good idea. Players are quick to notice when bots invade a certain district for farming purposes and could easily report it for you guys to investigate. It might help a bit and offer for a more complete coverage. The page should probably be just for reporting districts that have lots of bots, not for individual bot reports. -- (gem / talk) 01:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Voila! I've a new Botwatch page now available for players to report areas with heavy bot infestation, or for them to report gold sellers spamming in All Chat or sending obnoxious advertisements via whisper. Thanks for a good idea. :) -- Gaile 18:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Redundant Error of Redundancy

Not sure if this is in the right place (sorry if its not), but I was playing in Istan today, and played through the blacktide den mission. As I took the corsair uniforms, and disguised myself, I noticed something funny. Due to the new text that displays when you ping an effect (I am enchanted by "X", previously I am effected by "X"), when you ping the status of your corsair disguise, you get the result "I am disguised as a Corsair Disguise!" Just a rendundant little text error...-141.155.28.60 02:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't mean to discourage reporting of bugs like this but try to keep things in their place, for instance text bugs should go here. Gaile has a handy menu at the top of this page for reporting all manner of bugs, please remember to use them in the future to keep Gailes talk page for actually talking to her. -- Broodling 02:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Minor Favor Update

Dear Gaile, You state on your annoucnement page that we were accidentally granted 7000 minutes of extra favor due to human error which was to be taken off again, however the reason for said error was due to the indiviual working on the favour system due to it reaching and exceeding the cap on favor and it resetting to zero. This comment is cauing some confusion as theres a fair few of us who are wondering what is happening to the favor we earned before it reached the cap and reset to 0. As in is this now part of the total favor that we have at the moment, or was it lost when it reached and exceeded the cap and if this is the case will that favor be given back to us at some point in the future? Personally I dont like to think the titles i earned werent counted towards the current favour to the game world as theres something kinda nice and comforting to think that your achievements benefit everyone. If you could clarify your statement that would be appreciated as were left somewhat confused as to what happened to the favor before it reached the cap. -- Salome 00:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Questions about announcements can be added to the announcements talk pages. -- Gaile 00:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Okey dokey, forgot to check the talk page there properly. There's already a wee discussion ongoing there, so we look forward to seeing your input there at your earliest convenience. Regards -- Salome 00:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Shock

I was playing and went to an Allaince Guild Hall (Isle of meditation) When i all of a sudden logged off and got my character log in screen with zero characters displaying and with 5 Character panels (and i got all 4 parts). I didn't belive so i closed on my GW and logged in again luckily all my chars were back but i still think it is worth noticing. (and i don't use any third party programs) --Fox007 16:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I've had that too, because I mapped to my Guild Hall or somewhere exactly when some timer hit 0 for me to be teleported somewhere else. Calor 20:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Guys, I appreciate that you want to share. ;) However, I'm really not a Tech Support person. If you continue to experience this situation, please file a support ticket so that they can help you resolve the issue. Thanks. -- Gaile 23:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

She has a "PAWS to Consider" at the top, i suggest you lean to read, then follow certain links to go to which page you need 24.141.45.72 19:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Help Me!

Gaile, I have a major problem. About two weeks ago my account was suspended for 72 hours for absolutely no reason. I logged on while 20-30 hours were remaining just to check to see how many hours were left on my suspension. While logging on I got a message saying,"You have been banned for advertising an inappropriate website. This ban is permanent." I would never do such a thing and I had absolutely no clue how that could happen. Well, after that, I went to plaync and filed a support ticket asking the support team to at least verify the ban. The support team refused to do anything for me or even answer my any of my questions until I gave them all 3 of my access keys. I did try to save these keys but over the span of two years, saving 3 tiny pieces of paper is not the easiest task. I haven't done anything wrong except lose my access keys and now my $150 and 2000+ hours of play time are wasted. I don't know what else to do. Please help me Gaile. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:76.241.154.21 (talk).

get some air imo 24.141.45.72 19:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

This is one of the many reasons i'm not getting GW2....

Please contact Support -- they can investigate and help you, or explain what has happened. -- Gaile 02:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Party search is broken in Shing Jea Monastery

Currently, Party Search isn't working in Shing Jea Monastery. I've brought it up at User talk:Mike Zadorojny/Guild Wars Miscellaneous Bugs#Party search is broken in Shing Jea Monastery. -- Gordon Ecker 07:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

If you have placed a comment on the appropriate page -- and you have -- please do not double-post by putting it here. The very reason for the many Bugs Pages is to keep this page from exploding from sheer size. ;) Thank you for understanding! -- Gaile 00:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Female Derv Model Flawed?

lol did they update the model or something? i made a new female derv character and it wont hold any wepaon right, including a scythe,which it holds one handed in the left hand at the base sticking away from the body, when moving or turning,my old female derv never did this....74.186.169.130 16:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll go check my Dervish, but can you tell me if this has appeared recently? Does anyone else see this, as well? Thanks. -- Gaile 22:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Figured the problem out, just had to defrag the comp, there was a group of like 50 people with the same problem and we were going crazy over how to solve it, heheh good thing i remember if all else fails defrag :p.sry bout the trouble gaile ><.74.186.169.130 01:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you got that sorted out. Thanks for letting me, and I'll try to keep that one in mind if someone reports a similar glitch in the future. -- Gaile 03:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

-Jaw hits floor- Something fixed by a defragment....Good thing its not a real bug ^^Minty 03:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Dosn't seem like something a defrag could fix, nor fragmented files could cause, Was it only one instance of it happening? did you restart the game/ reboot machine in the same timeframe? Was anything else done that may have corrected the problem?

venting

Gaile, i for one find it frustrating at how many good ideas for the current game get no response or are shot down. i also find it strange that the community is giving you guys ideas repeatedly and nothing is being done about them. or you guys say sorry cant be done. or too much work, it would steal away from gw2 but the truth is gw2 is going to be delayed. ignoring or not thats not going to change it happens with every game i have ever seen or wanted. so what i don't understand is how you reject stuff you guys are getting the best possible feed back from the people who buy and play your game USE IT. i know its impossible to answer and do everything and that the game it self as limitations like by not havening a 3d plain or what ever but theres a lot of stuff that could be done that isnt. so even if you had a small amount of people dedicated to working on gw1 adding new stuff, fixing bugs (i know theres bugs that have been in the game since day one i.e. clipping issues) i think it would be better and smarter for you guys in the long run. we all love what you guys have been doing some of the small stuff we might not agree on but we love the game and thats why we make comments. one thing i would love to see from you guys is asking us questions about stuff you want to put into gw1 or gw2 before you put it in let us help you make a suburb game. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.165.119.21 (talk).

You have to understand that Anet is the ones in complete control of the game; its positives and its negatives. Online games are different from the standard pc games, where the standard pc games are at an advantage (in my opinion), they have access to a booming modding community. In normal circumstances errors and content that are ignored by the developers would usually be made or corrected by the players and vetted that way. Anet could go around and fix every issue that the game has, clipping issues, invisible boundry issues ... all that jazz but it has instead decided that Guild Wars 2 is the way to go. Many of us can relate to your vent at same point or another, the developers do not have to listen also as its their game, not ours. House Of Furyan 09:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

but in alot of ways it is our game a lot of stuff in the game right now is from "us", and with out "us" there wouldn't be a GW1 or Gw2 all the skill updates campaigns were made because of us other wise there wouldn't be the funding nor the want for a gw2. if you didnt spend $150+ on all the gw games there wouldn't be a anet or a gw2. so if they make decisions that turn out to be bad it will hurt them more then it will hurt us. we can go and buy or play any other number of games. its a two way street. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.165.119.21 (talk).

To an extent, currently the game is suitable enough for you to play it so they don't need to do anything else. If, for example, en mass, players started leaving and explaining its because of these errors, their opinions of the support, etc, Anet would then definately listen as no business likes losing customers, even though we've already paid for their product and they've got that money returning business is what they want to keep established for Guild Wars 2. All Anet now is doing is establishing its attitude towards such things.

Its not really 'our game' by any stretch of the imagination, contests that allow players to design weapons or items are just a marketing tactic to keep people involved. Throw the community a bone every now and then to keep them coming back to play, such things aren't very big anyway, an item in the game doesn't really mean much where there are so many around and you wouldn't really notice them as being new if you didn't hang around sites like this. Yes, we are their consumers, they wouldn't be in a position to make Guild Wars 2 without us as their would be no market for it.

Its not a two way street, us leaving would hurt them but not enough people are doing that for them really to sit up and take notice, there hasn't been a decision they've made that has made enough people go "What a joke" and leave. Its still very much a one way street, I call it Anet Street. House Of Furyan 09:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Please sign all your comments with four tildes ~~~~ for easier viewing. Thanks. :) As for this issue I don't think everything is because of GW2. There are some great ideas that would be nice added to GW too but fact is GW already functions just fine as is. The game is "finished" but that doesn't mean it's dead. It's very much alive and kicking and the devs have not abandoned it. New things are being added, issues being fixed and festivals, events and contests being held. Nothing in a big grand scale is being planned for GW at this time and that should be perfectly understandable as a large part of the team is working on GW2. If a lot of coding and consideration would be needed to add a new feature it seems like a logical solution to not tweak an already existing functioning game but to implement it into the new and updated version that is GW2. The devs are all people too and not superhumans so they can't exactly create extra robot duplicates of themselves to work on everything at once I imagine ... :)) Everybody gets frustrated every once in a while with a mmo. It's good to just take an honest break then and come back when it inspires you again imho. - nian 11:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Regardless i for one would love to see them get or take more ideas and make polls about ideas for some game concepts i know its hard to vote or make a desision with out trying it but thats something i havent seen from anet.

Arenanet gives players plenty of chances to give their suggestions for the games. -- Brains12 \ Talk 22:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This is my user page. It is not appropriate to use the Guild Wars Wiki -- which is considered a source of information -- for the venting of personal opinion. If you must do so, please do so on your own user page. Also, please sign your comments. -- Gaile 02:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

PvXwiki

Hello and sorry to msg you again about this. But how is it looking for PvXwiki and the Fansite status? Gcardinal 19:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Please use the fansites@arena.net email address for such questions. This is not the appropriate place for this topic. -- Gaile 19:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

About a Recent Stealth Update

I don't think what you did there was a good move. After this update Game_updates/20080213 turned out to have no effect on the exploit at all and after you were alerted that the exploit was still active, you openly stated there had indeed been a fix and "the bug has been nailed", all this only to calm people down and introduce an accurate fix as a stealth update later. In no update notes you ever stated who reported those exploits, and after two (yes, 2: Game_updates/20071020 and Game_updates/20080213) attempts to fix the client crash exploit, you finally solved it the way I had advised in the first e-mail I ever sent about that exploit, which was on Saturday, 20th October 2007. I don't even want my Guild Wars account back but this is really inacceptable.--Pablo24 18:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

So? ANet has no obligation to anyone to give credit for people that find exploits, especially in the update notes. I don't understand what's so "inacceptable"? Kokuou 20:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Anet has any right nor obligation to use anyone's name or contact info for bug fixing reports or anything. That would be insulting your own privacy afaik - nian 20:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

READING COMPREHENSION IS GOOD. He isn't complaining about the lack of recognition, he's complaining that ANet said they had fixed the bug when they knew they hadn't, thus alerting people to the existence of a bug that was still in-game. --71.229.204.25 21:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Then you should read it over. Geeze. He's talking about two things. The fact that "In no update notes you ever stated who reported those exploits" and that the update was supposedly stealthy and the latter I have no opinion on. Just saying Anet possibly has an obligation NOT to reveal "who" to protect the user's own privacy. - nian 21:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he is complaining about both things. More on this user in the guru forums i would guess...--Fighterdoken 21:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, wow. Reading comprehension is good, me. --71.229.204.25 21:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC) my point still stands

Actually, I take all this back. ArenaNet are fine guys and it can happen to anyone that a fix doesn't work right away. :)--Pablo24 21:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Don't post about exploits here. It's pointless and non-productive. I have said often, and to you personally, that anyone can contact Support or can email community@arena.net. But it's not appropriate to post this here. -- Gaile 05:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Further: I don't know of any "stealth updates" and don't know what you're talking about in that regard. At times over the last four or five years, we've implemented what we thought was the correct fix for a problem, only to learn there were additional elements that needed to be addressed. When we've done an additional update later, even when it's taken us more than one fix, we've revealed what we had done in the various Update Notes. I'm not a fan of people talking about "stealth updates" because that's usually a completely bogus claim, and because it's clearly a try for drama. "Oh the stealth of it all!" If someone has concerns about such a thing, he or she can write the address I've mentioned. -- Gaile 06:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

To be honest i couldnt care less how Anet does it, or even if it did take them two goes at fixing the problem. They fixed it, i dont see the problem here. 124.184.86.163 07:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Gaile Where Are You

I need you to get back to me ASAP, I found a.. let's call it "security hole", more important than anything I had found before on Guild Wars. You know what I mean.--Pablo24 20:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

This isn't her noticeboard for exploits. As she's said many times, an email to her or the bug team (support, anyone?) is what is necessary. Gaile is not the supreme empress of ArenaNet who can fix exploits with but a wave of her hand. ArenaNet have a department for that. -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

It's alright now I've contacted Andrew ingame.--Pablo24 20:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

...glad to know the world is safe, but that's not the place either. Support is what you want. -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Even if it's as urgent as you claim, a quick email to community@arenanet.com would get their attention if they deemed it critical enough. It'd certainly be much better than "panicking" the community by plastering on one of the wiki's most read pages. Kokuou 20:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Wait isnt pablo the guy who always rocks onto this page with the self important demands for gaile to get back in touch with his emails and the like and every time we tell him off being Mr Ego? -- Salome 23:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 05:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Don't post about exploits on my talk pages. It's pointless and non-productive. I have said often, and to you personally, that anyone can contact Support or can email community@arena.net. But it's not appropriate to post this here. -- Gaile 05:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

O.o Missing your color and signature pic Gaile? 68.151.27.108 06:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nah, just cut and pasted and forgot to colourize. :) -- Gaile 07:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

pvxwiki

Hi Gaile! Just wanted to know what the status on the PvXwiki and the fansite? PvXwiki are soon 10 month old, and we submitted our website not long after we started it up. I think I send at least 10 emails about it to fansites@ with answer only to 1 one. I understand that you guys have stuff to do and are busy, but I other websites has been added during that time - why can't we be added?

Gcardinal 22:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Pretty sure this has been asked before. In fact you asked it here User_talk:Gaile_Gray/Archive_Community_&_Website/Jan_-_Mar_2008#PvXwiki, 3 days ago... --Lemming 22:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Just take it easy & be patient. No need to send tens of emails, you already got one answer. - nian 05:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Then again, his answer was "I expect to have recommendations within a few days, at most.", from what appear to be as far ago as January? And still no answer. I'd probably be posting again by now, too. — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 13:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I will send another email with the application form, which we never received back. (From your note, I wonder if you received it.) Please, again, write the fansites address. The latest emails we received were all responded to, and the GWW is really not the place for this. Thank you. -- Gaile 19:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Inaproriate Name

I am insulted every day by unpleasant players whose behaviours ares quite discutable, yet they are never worried about active mesures taken against them. Then I played with a character named "Milf Ava Devine" in AvA battles for more than one year, and one day I am disconnected in the middle of a battle ( getting dishonor in the meanwhile ), told that I will not be able to reconnect for 71 hours ( that much time to change a name ? ) while players whith "D I C K" or "Fu Kyu" in their names continue to leech or do unpleasant kiddy jokes with the blessing of ANet. Good Game ! Yseron - 90.48.132.77 19:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Doing it yourself just because others do? Complaining that they have no action against them, then complain because action is taken against you? Good argument! -- Brains12 \ Talk 19:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Doing what ? Where do I say I insult others ? It's all the contrary, I always stay calm when insulted yet they are rewarded. Yseron - 90.48.132.77 19:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Am I right in saying that you were blocked for that amount of time for the inappropriate name, not because you were insulting? (That's what I meant by the doing it yourself, the name) -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

For inapproriate name only, and only that. Yseron - 90.48.132.77 20:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

So the unpleasant jokes or insults has nothing to do with your block, so comparing your block to the lack of theirs for insults is irrelevant. If you were blocked for insults, then yes, I could agree that it is slightly unfair. -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

So if it's not relevant you are agreeing that talking bad to others while having "D I C K" in your name is harmless compared to beeing name "Milf Ava Devine" ? Good Game ! Yseron - 90.48.132.77 20:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I am saying that there's no point complaining about your block if you think bad names should be blocked. -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

That aside, what makes you think other players don't get blocked if you did? — Galil 20:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Because I AvA every day and see inapproriate pvp chars names every day. Some of them existed for several months now, but they are either french or other european references that non-european readers miss. Yseron - 90.48.132.77 20:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Aside from telling me why beeing named after a beautyfull and world wide admired woman is offensive, can someone tell me why it takes 71 hours to change a character name ? Is it to encourage people to buy several accounts ? Yseron - 90.48.132.77 20:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

People may find the MILF part of your name to be offensive. But, eh. House Of Furyan 20:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What ? The "Monk I would Like To Flee" part is offensive ? It's ok for the 71 hours, I now know that I must not name a character after someone who may look prettyer than the one in charge of censoring. Yseron - 86.209.198.65 21:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you're aware what meanings that word has, and there's no need for the latter comment. You truly know when an argument has little value when the arguer replies with petty retorts. -- Brains12 \ Talk 21:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What is wrong with "The Mesmer I would Like To Fight" ? Yseron - 86.209.198.65 21:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Please stop acting childish. You will not convince anyone here that the name wasn't inappropriate, and even if you did, it wouldn't help as we have no control over such matters. As for other people with offensive names, report them when you see them, and they will similarly have to change. - Tanetris 04:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Childish ? Because I dont agree with "Milf" beeing offensive when the meaning of this word is only suggestive in a game rated as having suggestive themes ? Thinking of it, childish should stop beeing used as a cookie cuter argument, as of the skill barage. Yseron - 90.15.61.164 06:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Name blocks may be discussed with our Support Team, and in instances when ArenaNet's help is needed, they will get routed to me, it's true. But bringing them to my Wiki page isn't appropriate and I can't address them unless they're referred to me in the appropriate sequence. And I'd really encourage players to not appeal for frivolous reasons. I can tell you that the name in question is not likely to be allowed, upon appeal.

If you see offensive names or unacceptable behavior, by all means please do report them. But the gauge of what we block and what we do not block is not based on what might be missed. Please don't make the erroneous leap from "Not everyone who does wrong is blocked" to "therefore no one who does wrong should be blocked." Don't assume that because we missed one offensive name, the sky's the limit on any offensive name. With players' help, we'll continue to address issues of misbehavior, harassment, racism, offensive names, and much more, to make the game a more pleasant place for everyone. -- Gaile 07:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Guild creation

I am planning to create a guild named "Fierce United Canthan Knights [FUCK]". Am I allowed to do so ? The Mice I would Like To Frighten - 90.9.252.244 22:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Um, I believe common sense would say no. There's no reason to create names with offending language.--Pyron Sy 22:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You are right, may be I should remove "Fierce". The Medicine I would Like To Fetch - 90.9.252.244 22:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Let me guess, you started with FUCK, and you figured out a set of 4 words that would spell that? I find that Dumb and Insulting to my Commonsense, you Know [Dick]. -- Alaris 22:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

This is the same user who complained earlier this week about being temp banned for using a character with "Milf" in the name, hence the variations on the phrase. Just someone else out to stir up trouble.--Pyron Sy 22:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You dont like this guild name ? (carefull, you may not be aware that [Dick] does not relate to "I find that Dumb and Insulting to my Commonsense, you Know"). The Match Is Less Than Fair - 90.9.252.244 22:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Can we ban this troll already? -- Salome 23:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Brains warned him, and it looks like he went away. Well...for now. MiraLantis 23:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello friend. Unfortunately I am not allowed to answer, so you will have to do without it. The Mistress In Light Feather - 90.9.252.244 23:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

This conversation is going no where good. I suggest everyone just stops feeding the trolls and carries on about their business. --Lemming 23:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

This game is given a rating of "T" for a reason. Anything you do to hinder that decision could put you subject to penalty. (Especially seeing as this is at least your second offense.) Anyone with the slightest bit of maturity could tell you that. Atleast, anyone old enough to be playing a "T" rated game.Blackie ewilson92 00:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Question

Would the name "Ava Devine", if not already in use, be allowed for a character name ? I will check for any answer later if this post does not get archived at light speed. Yseron - 90.9.252.244 00:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Other question

Hello. Could you indicate me where I should post the question that was in the post you just reverted ? Yseron - 90.9.252.244 01:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Going to bed, meaning you can also revert this post...NOW ! Go ! Go ! Go ! Yseron - 90.9.252.244 01:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

There's a link to it, do try to at least pretend not to troll. Lord Belar 01:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Belly. Could you tell what link I should use. Is this the "Support Concerns" or the "Game Related Topics" one, or yet another one ? Yseron - 86.64.70.44 11:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you should use the "GTFO" one. Lord Belar 16:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL and seconded -- Salome 16:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. The GW community here is great and I am happy that you show me the way we must behave with your last two posts, plus the block. Be assured that I will stick to this wonderfull model as long as possible. Yseron - 90.15.186.242 18:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Excised Personal Attack

Thank you Gaile, thank you for finally doing the game and all of us a huge favor and stepping to a less significant role where you will hopefully be able to do far less damage to the game that you have over the years. I'm sure ArenaNet will have no problem finding someone who is actually qualified for the position and who will excel at it, and it just might do wonders to breath a little life back into a dieing game. I know this bit of news has truly rekindled my interest, and I wish you the best of luck in your new position. J.Kougar 20:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

JKougar, that is a very harsh thing to say to Gaile. Do you not appreciate the work she has done for the GW community? Are you just a miserable fool who is penniless on the game so you are blaming it on Gaile? Gaile has done nothing to harm the community and therefore I think that you should shut up and leave Gaile alone. There is nothing wrong with GW now anyway, so I dont see why you are complaining, unless you suffer from depression. --Burning Freebies 21:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You should really find out a little something about a person before making such accusations, as you could not be more wrong. Look at my profile if you're that interested, but I've made it clear over the years that I don't approve of the way Gaile has done many things, her attitude towards many of the customers, or the instances where she has flamed and attacked paying customers for voicing their concerns for a game they invested in. This however, is very much off-topic for this discussion, so please take it to my user-page if you'd like to continue. Thanks. J.Kougar 21:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

And more

lol, silly Gaile, still trying so hard to hide all the criticism you receive (and so often deserve)? Removing my little "Thank You & Good Luck" post and archiving it back in your files and labeling it as a 'personal attack'. That wasn't very nice of you. I was generally being nice to you (if not a little blunt) in that post, if I'd actually made a personal attack you'd certainly have known it was a personal attack. lol  ;) Oh well, even if you don't know any better I still wish you the best of luck on your new position, I'm sure you'll do even better at it.  :) J.Kougar 01:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, she has done that to me many times now to hide things she doesn't want even more widely known. ~ Sabastian 01:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Enough please its off topic and not constructive. Dominator Matrix 01:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

You have been warned, by users and admins alike. She had every right to archive your NPA violation. Please stop. Thanks So Much! :o) --Shadowphoenix 02:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's a thought

The following is a direct quite from you, from one of the archives you use to hide away things you don't want most folks to see...

"This is my user page. It is not appropriate to use the Guild Wars Wiki -- which is considered a source of information -- for the venting of personal opinion. If you must do so, please do so on your own user page. Also, please sign your comments. -- Gaile 02:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

...since you don't seem to mind any of the people posting their "personal opinions" about how great they think you are, and you don't archive those away immediately to hide it the way you do anything that could be seen as possible criticism, is it safe to say that you are only in it for the attention and popularity, and your main concern is making sure everyone thinks of you as a goddess? I mean, otherwise it's hypocritical for you to say things like that and then only archive back the comments that don't serve to make you look good, isn't it? J.Kougar 03:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well played but i think she's just trying to avoid hateful things on the wiki, which no one really wants--Ohnoes 03:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's not only hateful comments that she tucks away, it's usually suggestions for improvement, or simple criticism of the game or such... pointing out areas that need change or improvement. It just seems like she gets a little too archive happy sometimes, without a valid or even consistent reason for doing so. I know I'm not the only one with this complaint, you can find many others in her "misplaced articles" archive (for starters). J.Kougar 03:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I dont think anyone here thinks Gaile is perfect, but she is also moving on so people usually want to give thanks or well wishes to people in that situation. I understand you had some issues with Gaile in the past, and has been mostly done with until now. So what kind of person rehashes all that a time like this? If this was of no concern to you, there is no need to try to dig the final dagger in, because well, why should it even matter if you are supposedly above it? If I hate/dislike someone, I have little need to keep coming back to the issues I had with them when it was months ago. I wouldnt be that obsessed or bitter. You speak about being honest, a persons opinions have little to do with honesty, especially when that person is looking at their own opinions. Humans are rather subjective creatures. Just let it go and move on. You do yourself a diservice for allowing yourself to act this way, its poor form and interesting enough, also hypcritical considering what you point out to others. There is nothing wrong with Gaile removing your comments from this talk page, its not the place or purpose for such things. This isnt a soapbox for malcontents. We are ALL flawed humans here.--riceball 03:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm only being nit-picky because I tried to be nice and wish her luck on her new position earlier today, and she labeled it as a personal attack and archived it away without valid reason, other than her long standing personal dislike of me.  ;) J.Kougar 03:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not flawed =)--Ohnoes 03:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Please stop feeding this troll, he has been reported. It is in the admins hands now. --Shadowphoenix 03:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please don't feed this troll. Shadow has been trolling pages and trying to convince people she's a moderator for some time now, and her countless off-topic posts such as this one only continue to grow in number. J.Kougar 03:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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