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Again
best of luck with your title and chaos gloves! (I was Aumanar at the 21:00 PST wintersdayfest.) Armond 06:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot. It was good to see you. -- Gaile
21:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Said I Had a Picture for You
but too lazy to upload it. :P Have a look! Armond 08:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Haha.. nice pic! ^^
^Teo^ 10:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Ransom
GuildaII is actually remand prisoner at the domain of anguish by our mighty evil forces. Bring a ransom of 1..no, 2 !..hmmm, what is it after that ? Well, bring a ransom or you may have to deplore her death. Come alone with no weapons. Yseronyx
- It's unfair, you did never tell us she learned Frenzy. After considerations I offer you whatever you ask if you agree to take her out of our lair before she completely destroy what remains of our army. Yseronyx
Water Magic? Or Something Else O.o
well just wondering this,y is it called water magic if technically its all "ice" magic in exception for steam...when i first started playing gw 2 years ago i was kinda hoping for tsunami or typhoon or tidal wave in the skill section,but instead i got ice shackles :P,not that ice skills are bad or anything but makes ya wonder.O and btw plus buff swirling aura,i mean come on 45 sec recharge and 10 energy for 18 secs of 50% chance blocking,O.o.and take a look at burning speed as well XD,i have yet to find its potentials :'(.
- Technically ice is water just in solid form, but I know what you mean I expected more wind like spells from Air magic line. As for skill balance Izzy's talk page is the way to go. -- Broodling
00:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Because Air, Earth, Water & Fire were the original elements in the world before the Periodic Table was created. Also, since Elementalists are called Eleentalists, they need to use the Elements as that's what they were named after. — ク Eloc 貢 01:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- No, I think they'd use "Eleenments." :P Lord Belar 01:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) Missed the m from Elementalists Eloc, lol Eleentalists :P Anyway Eloc has already said most of what I would of said but those four elements have been used in many previous RPGs as well as for the same effect, eg:water = slow movement. --Kakarot
01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Though if we take the OLD elements. I'm missing Ether, altough that could be energy storage i geuss.Rhydeble 07:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Because Air, Earth, Water & Fire were the original elements in the world before the Periodic Table was created. Also, since Elementalists are called Eleentalists, they need to use the Elements as that's what they were named after. — ク Eloc 貢 01:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Technically ice is water just in solid form, but I know what you mean I expected more wind like spells from Air magic line. As for skill balance Izzy's talk page is the way to go. -- Broodling
Yet More Wintersday Screenshots
You only get links, as there's so many that I think thumbnails would make the page excessively huge... A lot of them are probably somewhat nonsensical, but I'll try to put some sort of a comment about them. :P
Image:User Armond Gw238.jpg - Proof that all chat works for you, too. :D
Image:User Armond Gw239.jpg - Charge of the elves! I was trying to get one of us all stacked up behind you, but didn't quite manage it.
Image:User Armond Gw240.jpg - Got it that time, but the trade and Xunlai got in the way... You ran off right after that, though, so if I'd removed the UI and such I'd have deselected you and been unable to follow you as easily. :o
Image:User Armond Gw241.jpg - Sans-UI. Someone's not in their proper holiday spirit :P Candy corn at Wintersday?
Image:User Armond Gw242.jpg - Better angle on the previous shot... maybe. I'll take credit for one of those titans wandering away.
Image:User Armond Gw243.jpg - Backshot, apparently because the minipets need love too :)
Image:User Armond Gw244.jpg - One hell of a lot of elves, all sync dancing. Good idea of yours. The quest marker gets in the way for a few shots, though...
Image:User Armond Gw245.jpg - I still can't get them all in one shot...
Image:User Armond Gw246.jpg - Better, I think... but incoming snowmen!
Image:User Armond Gw247.jpg - Didn't work out too well, but at least it's a backshot. :P
Image:User Armond Gw248.jpg - Much better. And kissing snowmen!
Image:User Armond Gw249.jpg - SNOWMEN VERSES ELVES!
Image:User Armond Gw250.jpg - Helps to see all the names when trying to figure out how many people are there.
Image:User Armond Gw251.jpg - A faceoff between snowmen and elves...
Image:User Armond Gw252.jpg - Got your name in this one ;)
Image:User Armond Gw253.jpg - A final shot with the snowmen retreating. Our elf skill bars are just too leet.
Enjoy! Armond 03:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
GW-Pod?
idk if its true but ive heard rumors that gw is gonna add in-game music playing option for money,(example:pay 1k and kamadan will play the song u choose to all people). i highly doubt its true due to some songs being R-rated lol and with children in the game might not work,but still maybe if u could filter some and bring it in-game it would be a neat gold sink and feature alot of people would go for.74.186.169.130 17:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- sounds like someone is pulling a hoax on you. The chances of that happening are slim to none. What with copyright law on music, the need to transfer a lot of data and as you said the filtering of inappropriate content. --Lemming
18:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Invitation to a Party
Gaile, I was wondering if you would like to come to an in-game party I am currently organinsing. It should be hosted on Wednesday 9th April. I know it seems like a long time away from now but i just need conformation. I ask you of this favour as I have heard of your invitations to other ingame parties such as New Years Awakening and the Ascalon Royal Family Masquerade Ball and i have heard of the great things you have done during those events. I have also never seen you ingame (this is a very minor reason). If you could get the frog to my celebrations too that would be even better for the party. Just because you are a GM doesn't mean you won't get freebies. During the fun time intervals there will be free drinks to help you max your drunkard title (which I heard you might be interested in doing). I hope that you acccept my invitation. For more infomation on this event, just use the following link-http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Festival_Disco --Burning Freebies 20:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- This sounds like a very ambitious project! I hope that you get lots of help putting it together. It's a bit early for me to say with certainty that I can attend. I may be traveling that date, or may for some other reason be unable to attend. But I would like to stop by, if at all possible, and I'll know more as the date gets closer.
- Thank you for the invitation! -- Gaile
23:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thank You for your reply. Sorry about the early invitation, it is because I am starting to organise it now. There may be few changes of the date of the event, I will let everyone know sooner the time. --Burning Freebies 18:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Wheres Devona?
I went to the the guildwars website and I saw that they had a new wallpaper. Excited, loaded it up and saw it had Devona on there, but for some reason i could not recognize the architect of the buildings in the backround of the wallpaper. I thought it wasn't Ascalonian, Asuran, Norn, or whatever it is because i havent seen it. Does anyone know the architecture of the buildings or where the wallpaper takes place? I'm just wondering. TitanSacranus 00:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm.... My best guess would place her in Echovold Forest somewhere as that looks like it could be Kurzick Terriotry. The only other places which i think have that type of architecture are the Underground Tombs and maybe the Desolation, but honestly from the cathedral-esque design, I'm gonna go with Kurzick. -- Salome 04:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- The background looks like it could be concept art for the Eye of the North. As for Devona herself, it looks like it's the same model they used in the Prophecies trailer. -- Gordon Ecker 08:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if its Kurzick. But it could be concept from Eye of the north. If it was ascalonian, there would be a head of some man instead of a dragon. I dont think its kurzick because the architecture does not look old (sry) or looks like it blend in the ground. I just saw this, but it looks like theres that New Orleans Saints Symbol in the backround (I dont know what to call it, i just saw it) TitanSacranus 21:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- The background looks like it could be concept art for the Eye of the North. As for Devona herself, it looks like it's the same model they used in the Prophecies trailer. -- Gordon Ecker 08:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Your Bow Collection
Just a question, for your bow collection, do you get any green bows or just nice skins? Evilness Kills 21:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- And also, have you ever used a jahai rat, or any rat? And has anyone else ever sued a rat? (not for wiki info or experimenting, i mean for fun) Because I don't know anyone who has lol. Ajc2123
Objection! Rats are not mentally competent to stand trial! Silver40596 23:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- What did that rat ever do to you that deserves being sued? Lord Belar 23:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- I collect all sorts of bows. I was going to try for "one of every bow in the game," but with all the varied ways of customizing them, I don't think I'll get there, even with half a dozen mules. ;) Right now I have some greens and some golds, as you can see here, and of course my player character has her own set, too. -- Gaile
00:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Weapons Design Winners -- Coming Soon?
is this true? and when will we get moar information about it? --Cursed Angel
19:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- probably with the upcoming skill balance I guess. Clan Yumemiru 22:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- John, our "Items Expert," say most likely some will be added this month. We may or may not mention it -- it could just be a cool surprise for players. I'll check with John on his thoughts on the matter. What I think we may do is say "Added some Design-A-Weapon items to the game" and then let players discover where. (Or is that just too evil? :) ) -- Gaile
22:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe a tiny bit more publicized than the mini polar bear >:O -elviondale (tahlk) 01:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- OMG!!!! - BeX
02:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well, as long as we can get them from then onwards, not a limited-time-we-won't-tell-you, then that's fine even if you don't say it at all. The fun is in the discovery. The not so fun is in finding out you missed something you can never have ever again. Alaris 02:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- heh the wiki will have every information in like 1 hour anyway :D --Cursed Angel
13:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, just like the polar bear...Nicky Silverstar 15:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- heh the wiki will have every information in like 1 hour anyway :D --Cursed Angel
- Well, as long as we can get them from then onwards, not a limited-time-we-won't-tell-you, then that's fine even if you don't say it at all. The fun is in the discovery. The not so fun is in finding out you missed something you can never have ever again. Alaris 02:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- John, our "Items Expert," say most likely some will be added this month. We may or may not mention it -- it could just be a cool surprise for players. I'll check with John on his thoughts on the matter. What I think we may do is say "Added some Design-A-Weapon items to the game" and then let players discover where. (Or is that just too evil? :) ) -- Gaile
3rd Birthday
Thanks for being at our third guild birthday. We were very happy that you were there, and I have made a wiki account so I won't be silly from now on. Death Sligher 22:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- Was really nice and fun that you was at our birthdat, from here i want to thank you from the 1 year old RDL who also had birthday with you. Schaapie 22:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- I was delighted to be invited, happy to attend. You are a great bunch of players, and I really enjoyed getting to spend some time with you. :) -- Gaile
07:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I was delighted to be invited, happy to attend. You are a great bunch of players, and I really enjoyed getting to spend some time with you. :) -- Gaile
- Just curious, did you have to send Gaile a guest invite, or did Gaile just magically appear? Nbajammer
00:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Just curious, did you have to send Gaile a guest invite, or did Gaile just magically appear? Nbajammer
- Magic, of course. Lord Belar 00:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Of course the smoke signals, a tastefully drawn "gg" on a cerulean sky, had nothing whatever to do with it. ;) -- Gaile
04:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Of course the smoke signals, a tastefully drawn "gg" on a cerulean sky, had nothing whatever to do with it. ;) -- Gaile
Play.com Consumer Games Show
March 15th and 16th sees the first major games exhibition in the UK in years, hosted by play.com at Wembley Arena. The only info I've found about it so far has been on the Wembley Forums [1]. Will Anet be attending and will Gaile be able to make it ? Would be great for us in the UK to finally have a chance to come and meet you! --Evil Geek 10:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- OMG! thanks for bringing that to my attention, im off to tell my guildies! I'm so there! I just hope anet come too. -- Salome 14:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, there. Thanks for making me aware of this show -- I haven't seen anything about it at all. That was posted in November, and I was wondering if you have noted anything about it elsewhere since then? I'd like nothing more than to attend -- would love to attend a show in the UK -- but I would like to research a bit to see if it's still a "go," and get some details of what the show is going to be like. Thanks for any info you can give me. -- Gaile
21:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Okay i just had a wee look. The event is called "Play.Com Live" and will be held in wembley stadium with an estimated 40,000 - 50,000 passing through the gates during the weekend of the 15th and 16th. Now to be honest, its being terribly advertised but apparently this event is still going ahead and thus far, from what i can dicern, the only major gaming house to have signed on is ubisoft (of Rayman and Assasin's Creed fame), However from the sources ive been reading, this step by ubisoft has pulled interest of other gaming houses and by the end of january they expect to have secured many more companies. There's also some Unreal Tournament 3 event thing going on where people can win £50,000. I'm gonna check later on tonight with a few friends I have at RockStar games (Living in Edinburgh FTW) to see if they even know this event exists. As its had virtually no media coverage and most of the information I could find was on forums. Even the Play.com website doesnt have any clear info about the event apart from touting that it will be more fun for consumers than E3 (which considering consumers are no longer allowed to attend E3, isnt that much of an achievement). I'm hoping this event is great but from the lack of general knowledge of its existence and the terrible marketing, personally im not too sure about it. If I was the play.com CEO, i would be sacking my marketing director round about now. So anyhoo gaile, if you just google "play.com Live" you'll find all the info i could. to anybody who is interested VIP tickets for the whole weekend are £16 and are only available at www.play.com. I'm off to buy mine now, as even if its crap, its the only thing we've had since 2004 and our 2 game expos went the way of the dinosaur. *sigh* Anyway hope this info helped. -- Salome 07:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- i dont even live in the uk nor would i have any way of geting to this but if found a number on the bouttom of there site i bet you could call them directly gaile. also here is an email adress i found at wembley stadiums website customerservices@wembleystadium.com though looking though there events it dosnt even have it lissed so i dont know whats up.
- The link to the tickets is here took me a while to find them. I agree they have definetly hidden it away! I might see if a friend wants to go and get the weekend off. --Lemming
17:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, I was curious -- did you purchase tickets, Lemming? And has anyone seen ads, promotions, TV spots, or whatever about this show? It doesn't appear to have been promoted, and I'm not sure if it's even still planned. If anyone has new info, please let me know. -- Gaile
19:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, I was curious -- did you purchase tickets, Lemming? And has anyone seen ads, promotions, TV spots, or whatever about this show? It doesn't appear to have been promoted, and I'm not sure if it's even still planned. If anyone has new info, please let me know. -- Gaile
- The link to the tickets is here took me a while to find them. I agree they have definetly hidden it away! I might see if a friend wants to go and get the weekend off. --Lemming
- i dont even live in the uk nor would i have any way of geting to this but if found a number on the bouttom of there site i bet you could call them directly gaile. also here is an email adress i found at wembley stadiums website customerservices@wembleystadium.com though looking though there events it dosnt even have it lissed so i dont know whats up.
- Okay i just had a wee look. The event is called "Play.Com Live" and will be held in wembley stadium with an estimated 40,000 - 50,000 passing through the gates during the weekend of the 15th and 16th. Now to be honest, its being terribly advertised but apparently this event is still going ahead and thus far, from what i can dicern, the only major gaming house to have signed on is ubisoft (of Rayman and Assasin's Creed fame), However from the sources ive been reading, this step by ubisoft has pulled interest of other gaming houses and by the end of january they expect to have secured many more companies. There's also some Unreal Tournament 3 event thing going on where people can win £50,000. I'm gonna check later on tonight with a few friends I have at RockStar games (Living in Edinburgh FTW) to see if they even know this event exists. As its had virtually no media coverage and most of the information I could find was on forums. Even the Play.com website doesnt have any clear info about the event apart from touting that it will be more fun for consumers than E3 (which considering consumers are no longer allowed to attend E3, isnt that much of an achievement). I'm hoping this event is great but from the lack of general knowledge of its existence and the terrible marketing, personally im not too sure about it. If I was the play.com CEO, i would be sacking my marketing director round about now. So anyhoo gaile, if you just google "play.com Live" you'll find all the info i could. to anybody who is interested VIP tickets for the whole weekend are £16 and are only available at www.play.com. I'm off to buy mine now, as even if its crap, its the only thing we've had since 2004 and our 2 game expos went the way of the dinosaur. *sigh* Anyway hope this info helped. -- Salome 07:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, there. Thanks for making me aware of this show -- I haven't seen anything about it at all. That was posted in November, and I was wondering if you have noted anything about it elsewhere since then? I'd like nothing more than to attend -- would love to attend a show in the UK -- but I would like to research a bit to see if it's still a "go," and get some details of what the show is going to be like. Thanks for any info you can give me. -- Gaile
BMP Wallpaper
Wow, what a nice wallpaper :D, This only makes it more exciting when i am going to buy the BMP on the 28th.:)-- Mepp 21:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. Guild Wars houses very nice concept art :P -- Brains12 • Talk • 21:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with that, I like Wednesday wallpaper day very much and I'm happy they are doing it again :) . I hope there will be some about GW2 very soon, because they are saying there is a new site coming aswell. Death Sligher 20:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- /agree with Brains (excuse the absence of the "12", but Brains is always what you'll be called in my book. I also realize this paranthesis is longer than the "12" itself would have been but, meeh..) I personally am the proud owner of all 4 concept art books, and I would personally recommend them to anyone. Of course, they don't sell them by themselves, but anyway... (Yes okay, I admit, it's 4 am and I just got home after a rather long night out. Sleep incoming! >.>) — Galil
02:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Hardware
Hiya Gaile! I'm not sure if it's company policy not to tell, or something... but I'm wondering what the specs are for this massive GW server! I just read the latest news and saw that Guild Wars also services to Asia. This has got to be one badass server you got, or is it really a whole string of servers making a technological ritual to one slightly-bigger-but-not-as-massive server?! Vael Victus 23:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- It's actually a number of groups of servers. The many servers are configured in multiple racks, load-balanced and connected together (likely through fabric switches). There are separate server banks for regions such as west coast USA, europe, asia, etc., as well as multiple backup sets of servers that offer full failover in case one or more fulltime servers go down. When logging in to the GW client, take note of which IP address you connect to. You'll notice that it is often different each time you connect, as their load-balancing system handles which server actually takes each individual client's connection. - GenXer 23:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gaile!
Thought you might be interested in this thread. Some info on the Xunlai Market house would be nice, for example. I'm just hoping nobody gets into trouble, but I'm quite sure they won't. -- Mini Me 17:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- In trouble for what? Going through a file located on your own computer? Antiarchangel 01:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- There was some debate about whether this violates the EULA, though I doubt it would be enforcable if it did. Ashes Of Doom 02:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Xunlai Market
Hey Gaile! Do you know anything about the 'Xunlai Market'? Massiv 21:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- What is the Xunlai Market and why do you ask? -- Gaile
05:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- See the "Hi Gaile!" section two sections above for the link to the forum thread. The gist: some people poking around gw.dat found some text strings that refer to a "Xunlai Market" and have some messages that suggest it allows players to put items up for sale like an auction house, minus the bidding. Evidence suggests that it's been relativey recently worked on (one of the messages asks a player to confirm that they want to buy an item that's already been dedicated at the Hall of Monuments). - Tanetris 05:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- I wondered if diffrent regions had different things. But at closer inspection I can say that this is false, and that any content within the .dat file is global no matter what language localization. I wonder, could this be something the EU offices made, and then the studio got wind of and decided to add into the game? Or perhaps the developers have been deliberately misleading the community so they can add the "Xunlai Market" as a convenient surprise to perhaps bolster activities within the game until GW2. Whatever it is, I'm very sure Gaile will do one of two things. A) Play unaware. Or B) "Know nothing", and tell nothing. We'll see.
Drago 05:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- It's not fake; the text is in the dat (go look for the threads in the appropriate forums). It is, however, only in English (and Bork! Bork! Bork! as I assume it's simply a simple script to Swedish Chef-ize the English). Stuff that's implemented into the game, e.g., item names, are fully translated into the other languages. I've extracted out lists of skill descriptions in Bork! Bork! Bork!, the User Agreement in Spanish, etc. So, yes, the contents of the dat are global as far as officially released stuff, but different languages are stored in different files. Unlike other games that I've prowled through the data files for, GW actually localizes - good job by ArenaNet. ~Seef II <ℹ|۞> 10:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- If I made a game with a .dat or .wad or whatever pack file, I would totally start adding in weird crap once my player base cracked the pack file. Stuff like "George Lucas Monster" or "God Mode Coupon" or "Pet: Trogdor" just to throw the players off. Cry wolf enough, and real stuff will not spike above the radar. ;) That's prolly why I am not a game dev. Sigh. --Ravious 12:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Everyone watch out for an ingame economy fluctuation coming up. Assuming this gets implemented, the value of most items will drop considerably. Get gold now! (Not to start a panic...) I sincerely hope this is the real deal though, and not just code they are "working" on with no plans for release before GW2. Feel free to deny away though Gaile.:D Ashes Of Doom 13:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah rly, an auction house-like-thing is something half the playerbase has been screaming for for a long time now. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 13:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't get it, maybe I am too stupid? If someone find the words "Xunlai Market" in GW.DAT, that means we will have an Trade House with all that features? why? My mind is not enough for this, I need help! --NeHoMaR
14:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- It was a little more than just the words "Xunlai Market". There were also some strings found in regards to "listing items" in this supposed market and other such things. See this and this for more wild-ass speculation :P.--fraught · (talk) 14:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- No, thank you! I prefer to play GW! --NeHoMaR
15:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- No, thank you! I prefer to play GW! --NeHoMaR
- It was a little more than just the words "Xunlai Market". There were also some strings found in regards to "listing items" in this supposed market and other such things. See this and this for more wild-ass speculation :P.--fraught · (talk) 14:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't get it, maybe I am too stupid? If someone find the words "Xunlai Market" in GW.DAT, that means we will have an Trade House with all that features? why? My mind is not enough for this, I need help! --NeHoMaR
- Yeah rly, an auction house-like-thing is something half the playerbase has been screaming for for a long time now. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 13:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Everyone watch out for an ingame economy fluctuation coming up. Assuming this gets implemented, the value of most items will drop considerably. Get gold now! (Not to start a panic...) I sincerely hope this is the real deal though, and not just code they are "working" on with no plans for release before GW2. Feel free to deny away though Gaile.:D Ashes Of Doom 13:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- If I made a game with a .dat or .wad or whatever pack file, I would totally start adding in weird crap once my player base cracked the pack file. Stuff like "George Lucas Monster" or "God Mode Coupon" or "Pet: Trogdor" just to throw the players off. Cry wolf enough, and real stuff will not spike above the radar. ;) That's prolly why I am not a game dev. Sigh. --Ravious 12:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- It's not fake; the text is in the dat (go look for the threads in the appropriate forums). It is, however, only in English (and Bork! Bork! Bork! as I assume it's simply a simple script to Swedish Chef-ize the English). Stuff that's implemented into the game, e.g., item names, are fully translated into the other languages. I've extracted out lists of skill descriptions in Bork! Bork! Bork!, the User Agreement in Spanish, etc. So, yes, the contents of the dat are global as far as officially released stuff, but different languages are stored in different files. Unlike other games that I've prowled through the data files for, GW actually localizes - good job by ArenaNet. ~Seef II <ℹ|۞> 10:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- I wondered if diffrent regions had different things. But at closer inspection I can say that this is false, and that any content within the .dat file is global no matter what language localization. I wonder, could this be something the EU offices made, and then the studio got wind of and decided to add into the game? Or perhaps the developers have been deliberately misleading the community so they can add the "Xunlai Market" as a convenient surprise to perhaps bolster activities within the game until GW2. Whatever it is, I'm very sure Gaile will do one of two things. A) Play unaware. Or B) "Know nothing", and tell nothing. We'll see.
- See the "Hi Gaile!" section two sections above for the link to the forum thread. The gist: some people poking around gw.dat found some text strings that refer to a "Xunlai Market" and have some messages that suggest it allows players to put items up for sale like an auction house, minus the bidding. Evidence suggests that it's been relativey recently worked on (one of the messages asks a player to confirm that they want to buy an item that's already been dedicated at the Hall of Monuments). - Tanetris 05:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
(Reset indent) I can say that without a doubt, Gaile will make little or no effort to say or reveal anything to this. I think that because it is within the .dat, the studio is aware of it, and possibly working on it. But as it's an unannounced feature, and ANet hasn't said anything, perhaps she will have to say something to either confirm or deny its' existence.
Drago 16:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- If I remember rightly, its always been said that an auction house would be a major project to implement. Maybe this is as far as ANet got before deciding it was bigger than they thought and gave up. Sadie2k 16:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- I beleive the xunlia code was last updated in mid december 2007. i will double check though. It's definetly been updated since the release of GWEN because it mentions dedicated items..and dedication didn't come about until after the release of Gwen...because before dedicated everything was customized.Coridan 16:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- I predict that the code monkey who let this slip to live in the gw.dat will be curbed, and then the founders will lead a discussion on why this had to happen. --Ravious 17:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Gaile ask the best question ever, i mean, what are u talking about? just cuz u found a file doesn't directly mean they're making an auction house. theyre working on gw2 so all gw1 suggestions and clipping issues/minor bugs have been pushed aside, and this isn't even minor. --Cursed Angel
17:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- If that was true then how come all the evidence points to the fact it has been recently worked on? Gw2 has been in development for months now, and evidence suggests the xunlai market has been messed with since december. --TimTimTmma 17:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Gaile ask the best question ever, i mean, what are u talking about? just cuz u found a file doesn't directly mean they're making an auction house. theyre working on gw2 so all gw1 suggestions and clipping issues/minor bugs have been pushed aside, and this isn't even minor. --Cursed Angel
- I predict that the code monkey who let this slip to live in the gw.dat will be curbed, and then the founders will lead a discussion on why this had to happen. --Ravious 17:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- I beleive the xunlia code was last updated in mid december 2007. i will double check though. It's definetly been updated since the release of GWEN because it mentions dedicated items..and dedication didn't come about until after the release of Gwen...because before dedicated everything was customized.Coridan 16:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
(Reset indent) Aside from fighting amongst each other... check this for some more information on the Xunlai Market.
Drago 21:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, that was just plain mean :) Alaris 21:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) That's a Rick Roll, isn't it? *clicks* Yes, yes it is. That aside, could we tone down the massive negativity? And Riven, that was clearly a personal attack. You've been duly warned. You and Cursed Angel both need to back off from each other before bans start getting handed out.
- Back on topic, the text from the .dat (as has been mentioned, it's certainly more than just the words "Xunlai Marketplace". It has several different messages from a marketplace interface. Read the threads for specifics) pretty concretely suggests that it's being worked on. The question is really how far along it is, whether it's considered a sure thing or they're still not sure if they can make it work (just because they're working on it doesn't mean it'll necessarily happen), and how much they want to talk about it at this point. All of which I'm sure Gaile is discussing with the team right now. - Tanetris 21:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Damn! Rick Roll'd! -- Salome 23:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- With all that looking at the gw.dat and extracting information from it I am wondering if anyone is aware of the EULA in this regard? "3. LICENSE TO USE (...) you may not (...) (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software;"81.108.235.0 01:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- GW.dat containes neither machine code nor source code. Backsword 05:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Is it legal to use that programme to read gw.dat??? Death Sligher 17:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- As 'legal' as using TexMod. it modifies nothing, and as long you don't take out copyrighted material to use as your own, it's not much different than seen the textures, texts and sounds yourself while playing. Just... out of context... so... it's not something they can ban you for... but do not ask for support is you download an 'evil' version with a keylogger or something like that.
What intrigues me most is this silence we are having. Maybe it was a surprise for the Canthan New Year or the GW Birthday or something like that... or maybe just a joke they added into the GW.dat to make fun out of those that peek into the GW files... MithranArkanere 17:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)- Yes, you're right if wiki doesn't give the programma we can better not download stuff like that. To read Gw.date. We will see what happens and if it is coming out enjoy it. We just need to wait there will come a BNP ore something so don't search for it but just be patent(then you can say WOW if it is really ingame) :). Death Sligher
19:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, you're right if wiki doesn't give the programma we can better not download stuff like that. To read Gw.date. We will see what happens and if it is coming out enjoy it. We just need to wait there will come a BNP ore something so don't search for it but just be patent(then you can say WOW if it is really ingame) :). Death Sligher
- As 'legal' as using TexMod. it modifies nothing, and as long you don't take out copyrighted material to use as your own, it's not much different than seen the textures, texts and sounds yourself while playing. Just... out of context... so... it's not something they can ban you for... but do not ask for support is you download an 'evil' version with a keylogger or something like that.
- Is it legal to use that programme to read gw.dat??? Death Sligher 17:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- GW.dat containes neither machine code nor source code. Backsword 05:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- With all that looking at the gw.dat and extracting information from it I am wondering if anyone is aware of the EULA in this regard? "3. LICENSE TO USE (...) you may not (...) (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software;"81.108.235.0 01:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Damn! Rick Roll'd! -- Salome 23:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
You're killing us gaile, can you give us anything? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:69.210.143.227 (talk).
- It could've been scrapped due to unforseen technical issues. It could be on hold because the only people capable of implementing it will be too busy for the next few months due to a Guild Wars 2 developement bottleneck. -- Gordon Ecker 03:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gaile
Any information on this? — Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- I heard something was posted on the forums, but I haven't seen it myself. Lord Belar 01:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- Come on, people. There are now three topics on Gaile's page for the same thing. Whether she knows something and is simply staying quiet for now, or whether she has no idea what it's about, starting three separate topics about the same thing just clutters up her page and is simply unnecessary. Just be patient. Kokuou 01:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
(Reset indent) Ok, having tidily merged this, I can tell you that ol' DAT file has a ton of stuff, from last year, this year, four years ago, three offices prior, a staff member's moving sale, somebody's gerbil's birth announcement, and more. Nothing really to say. *shrug* -- Gaile
01:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- This mentions items that have been dedicated, meaning that it was worked on semi-recently. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- Please stop bugging her! She cannot confirm or deny an information that might have been discovered in the .dat file. The is plenty of stuff in there that is unused, so there is no way to tell if they are activel working on it. It is possible they are simply trying to put together a way to test the system they are working on for GW2. If they are planning on implmenting it for GW1 (I hope so myself), it is possible that Gaile does not know whether it will be added anytime soon or at all(unlikely as it seems), and even if she does know something, we can't expect her to tell us anything. WAIT AND SEE!! Honestl, it's not like anone is providing valuable input to Gaile here. All anone is dong is wasting her time. That includes me, so I'll shut up now. </rant> Ashes Of Doom 01:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- So, it'll be out within the week? Alongside the Design-a-Weapons? Gotcha. --24.179.151.252 05:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- "Alongside the Design-a-Weapons?" OH SNAP!
11:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- Its things like that ^ that get rumors started you know. Gaile said nothing about it, but we definitely need to start spreading the word that it'll be out within the week. Design-A-Weapons hopefully will be out soon, but not necessarily within the week. Time to have a wild rumor spreading rampage? Lets go guys!!! I'll take Guru, someone else hack GW.com, and someone else can cover GuildWiki. Ashes Of Doom 17:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC) (that was a joke btw)
- "Alongside the Design-a-Weapons?" OH SNAP!
- So, it'll be out within the week? Alongside the Design-a-Weapons? Gotcha. --24.179.151.252 05:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- Please stop bugging her! She cannot confirm or deny an information that might have been discovered in the .dat file. The is plenty of stuff in there that is unused, so there is no way to tell if they are activel working on it. It is possible they are simply trying to put together a way to test the system they are working on for GW2. If they are planning on implmenting it for GW1 (I hope so myself), it is possible that Gaile does not know whether it will be added anytime soon or at all(unlikely as it seems), and even if she does know something, we can't expect her to tell us anything. WAIT AND SEE!! Honestl, it's not like anone is providing valuable input to Gaile here. All anone is dong is wasting her time. That includes me, so I'll shut up now. </rant> Ashes Of Doom 01:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- "somebody's gerbil's birth announcement". Lol, why would you put that in the dat? :P -- Mini Me 18:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- To make sure he doesn't forget it of course /doh --Elemonk Nibo 18:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
There's no weapon contest at all, btw again is the programme to read gw.dat legaal ore not? Because it is an intresting programme but I think it isn't allowed. Death Sligher
20:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- A while back there was. And it's legal, yes. -- Mini Me 20:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Guilda II minipet?
We all heard the tales from izzy, we all know he is being oppressed, and we all know you set Guilda II out to stop him from nerfing echomending. So instead of a futile campaign against this great hamster, We demand a minipet in his likeliness, Rhydeble 18:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC) (PS: reshaping random god statues to his likeliness is alright too)
- i want a mini-izzy, and btw echomending have been a problem in most high gvg matches but just bring 3 mesmers with only enchantment removal and scourge enchantment and you'll be fine --Cursed Angel
18:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- If nothing can be said, I recommend pictures of cute lil bloodthirsty gerbils as a distraction. --24.179.151.252 17:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Gerbil's ... now you are spoilering about cantha new year? Because year of the rat. I'm hating that date.gw reader. Death Sligher
19:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Gerbil's ... now you are spoilering about cantha new year? Because year of the rat. I'm hating that date.gw reader. Death Sligher
- If nothing can be said, I recommend pictures of cute lil bloodthirsty gerbils as a distraction. --24.179.151.252 17:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Playing
Hi Gaile. I was just wondering, do you ever play with the anyone in dev/GW team? Do you play PvP with izzy? Do Dungeon raids with emily? also Is there also a chance that I or at least some other people will get the chance to randomly play with you/them? It would be fun to see if you can survive a dungeon or an elite mission playing with some random players. heh. Renin 02:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think Gaile has said that she has an account that is not known to players so she may enjoy playing the game without constant messages and the like, you may very well have put the Lich Lord in his place with help from Gaile. -- Broodling
08:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah I know that but does she even play with other dev team often? Has she ever played her Gaile Gray toon and played with other random people for fun? Renin 04:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, if you notice the level of the Gaile Gray character when she's in game, she's a level 4. Not likely that she actually plays for any particular purpose other than to GM, or that character would have more experience by now. GenXer 18:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, my "visiting girl" is a Level 7; she has been Level 7 since I accidentally leveled her from 6 during the 2006 Wintersday Festival. I keep her a 7 for sentimental reasons, nothing more. However, I have eight other accounts, a character of every profession, and I play the game nearly daily. Yes, I play in PUGs all the time. No, I don't generally identify myself, not because I'm being sneaky but because (1) often I just want to play and (2) playing with groups, watching obs mode, or just sitting anonymously in town is a good way for me to learn how the community works, and get some candid windows on player experience, and all these things -- I think especially knowing and loving the game -- help me do my job to the best of my ability. -- Gaile
18:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- So do you often form a group of some of the devs for a funrun on a dungeon perhaps? Or do PvP with Izzy? I'm assuming that with many accounts, some of the devs know or you in game. Or was I wrong? I am not flaming, forming groups with friends are always fun. Renin 17:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, missed the question. I'm in a guild that includes some Guild Wars Team members, and once testing starts for Guild Wars 2, I'm sure I'll be partying with more fellow ArenaNet folks, too. -- Gaile
01:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, missed the question. I'm in a guild that includes some Guild Wars Team members, and once testing starts for Guild Wars 2, I'm sure I'll be partying with more fellow ArenaNet folks, too. -- Gaile
- So do you often form a group of some of the devs for a funrun on a dungeon perhaps? Or do PvP with Izzy? I'm assuming that with many accounts, some of the devs know or you in game. Or was I wrong? I am not flaming, forming groups with friends are always fun. Renin 17:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, my "visiting girl" is a Level 7; she has been Level 7 since I accidentally leveled her from 6 during the 2006 Wintersday Festival. I keep her a 7 for sentimental reasons, nothing more. However, I have eight other accounts, a character of every profession, and I play the game nearly daily. Yes, I play in PUGs all the time. No, I don't generally identify myself, not because I'm being sneaky but because (1) often I just want to play and (2) playing with groups, watching obs mode, or just sitting anonymously in town is a good way for me to learn how the community works, and get some candid windows on player experience, and all these things -- I think especially knowing and loving the game -- help me do my job to the best of my ability. -- Gaile
- Actually, if you notice the level of the Gaile Gray character when she's in game, she's a level 4. Not likely that she actually plays for any particular purpose other than to GM, or that character would have more experience by now. GenXer 18:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah I know that but does she even play with other dev team often? Has she ever played her Gaile Gray toon and played with other random people for fun? Renin 04:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Rules?
- → moved from Talk:Gaile Gray
Gaile, i got my account suspended for "inappropriate language". Now, i had always thought that sort of thing referred to racial slurs, sexism, discrimination(Which happens to you in DoA anyways), and things that are just plain gross/disturbing. However, all i did was swear(And yes, it was quite a bit). Which got me thinking, why are we getting suspended for dropping the F bomb when there's a chat filter? It really makes no sense if you ask me. It seems like people should not get suspended for swearing no matter how many times they do it as long as it's in a joking/casual manner. Maybe this isn't the best place to ask, but oh well. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:99.225.4.255 (talk).
- It depends where you were swearing imho. If you swearing in "All", "Trade" or any other form of public chat then i believe you deserve a temporary ban. If however you were swearing in whisper when chatting to a mate or in team with adult friends or maybe even in alliance/guild chat if it is understood in your guild/alliance that everyone doesnt mind, then i think that would be somewhat oppressive of anet to punish. Either way however anet have a right to police their game how and as they deem fit. -- Salome 13:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- And think there's a good point here though. So what he was swearing? There's a chat filter, if I was offended by swearing in general I would leave the filter on. If he was swearing creatively (in such a way as to bypass the filter) that would be another issue. Likewise if he was swearing at someone, or swearing via use of slurs. But just swearing in general when there's a method for people to censor him on their end? I don't see the big deal. -
HeWhoIsPale 13:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- srsly temporary ban for swearing? wth is the chat filter for? --Cursed goes sockpuppeting
14:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Contrary to popular belief, not so people can swear at their heart's content. --
Elv 17:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Have to agree with Elv on this one. However I do agree with the others that the chat filter is somewhat redundant if you get banned for swearing anyway. I think taking out the chat filter would be a better idea as it makes the issue and anet's stance somewhat clearer (especially as it annoyingly blanks words like "Ass", meaning playing and talking about the assasin class can be somewhat problamatic; it also rather offensivly blanks out the word "gay" or at least it did last time I checked but this may have changed.) -- Salome 17:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- I switched mine off not because I approve of swearing, but because words like Assassin and Damned Cleric got blocked. I also did not agree with some of the words that were blocked on linguistic basis- words like 'ass' and 'gay' have more than one meaning, and are far from always used in a negative sense- never even mind if they're parts of a larger word like the Assassin example above. Personally I always thought of the filter as a way to protect younger and more easily offended players from the people who can't control themselves. It's switched on by default, so if someone goes on a swearing spree in a town at least these people won't have to see it. Switching off the filter is, after all, a very conscious decision. Does that mean you should have to put up with swearing? No. Should the filter be disabled altogether? Definitely not. Of course swearing will happen, so people who want to avoid it should have the means to do so.
- I myself can forgive a slip of the tongue and an inserted f-word, provided it doesn't happen every sentence and isn't spammed. I wouldn't report a player just for saying it once. I have, however, reported a handful of players over the past 2,5 years for spamming their foul-mouthed use of language in local chat. I've explained why I switched off my own filter, so it should be clear that I didn't do it because I approve of swearing or enjoy seeing it. It certainly doesn't mean that as a consequence of that, I should put up with another player's bad attitude.
- The rule on swearing is actually pretty clear. You're not supposed to. It's rude, it's unnecessary (there are, after all, other ways of expressing yourself) and it will probably spoil the gaming experience of other players. If these players report you, it means that you have. Take a look at the rules and the code of conduct, and you'll see that ruining a player's experience is also not tolerated. Being told not to swear makes perfect sense to me. The filter is just there so that one person's bad behaviour isn't broadcast to the world at large without obstacles.
- As a last remark (because I just realised this is turning into a long and boring bit of rambling) I'd like to say that I do think the filter could use improvement. It might be a difficult thing to implement, but perhaps it's not a bad idea to allow players to add their own 'good' or 'bad' list of words. That way, an ambiguous word like 'ass' wouldn't be filtered unless you set your filter to do so. Maybe that's something for the suggestions page though? :) --
Elv 19:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- "Damn" shows up at least 15 times in game dialog, so if you're that offended by swearing, maybe you should go play something else. I also don't see how swearing could be construed as "ruining a player's experience," unless you were to whisper them and swear at them repeatedly, and that's another matter entirely. Lord Belar 20:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- A lot of people find swearing offending. Not everyone is equally easily offended, but it's not exactly an unknown issue to players. You know you're probably going to offend people if you start swearing in local chat, so you also know that you'll be ruining a few people's game time and it's not an attitude that should be endorsed. Unfortunately swearing is everywhere- on the net as well as real life. Should people stop going places and stop doing things just to avoid swearing? Of course not. That's twisting the whole problem around. The issue is not with the people who take offense at swearing- it's with the people who lack the self control to refrain from spamming obsceneties where others will see. (And "damn" shouldn't be in the filter in the first place. If the game itself uses the word, then it seems odd to filter it out when players use the word.) --
Elv 20:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- no elv, the problem is people who find swearing offensive, only those with tragic childhoods, no friends and parents who hit them and/or is emo find it offensive and should go play hellokitty online instead. Not saying that gw is hardcore but even 12 year olds does not find it offensive and swear themselves. --Cursed Angel
20:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Uhm, no. Just no. Taking offense at swearing isn't the result of a bad childhood or lack of friends, it's usually a sign of some degree of manners. I take offense at some forms of swearing and I'm certainly not someone who fits into any of the categories you mentioned. I just feel that it's not necessary to express yourself in a way that will cause grief to others, and I know for a fact that there are more polite ways of conveying a message. I am far from the only person to think so. I won't claim to be an angel, because I do slip up myself sometimes, but by and large swearing isn't the way to go if you want to express yourself. It certainly won't raise another person's expectations of your intellect. --
Elv 21:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- If someone saying a word causes you grief, you've got other problems. Naturally, spaming "fuck" in all chat isn't acceptable behavior, and there generally isn't a reason to swear in all chat anyways, and never in trade, but as long as it isn't spaming, swearing in team/whisper/guild/alliance should be fine. Lord Belar 21:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- So suppose I were dark-skinned and took offense at use of the n-word, I've got issues? I don't entirely agree. If you take offense at the word "bunny" you definitely have issues, but if you get irritated because someone feels the need to spam crude words describing certain parts of female anatomy, for instance, then I'd say it's perfectly understandable if you take offense. I agree with you that it shouldn't be policed as much in guild or alliance chat- that's a matter that can be settled with guild/alliance rules and a simple kick if necessary. Whispering would be a case-by-case thing, though, because it concerns personal and direct interaction. --
Elv 21:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Obviously you didn't read my previous comment very carefully: "spaming "fuck" in all chat isn't acceptable behavior, and there generally isn't a reason to swear in all chat anyways, and never in trade." Lord Belar 21:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Actually I agreed with you there, but I guess my phrasing was a little poor. The first half of my comment refers to the first sentence, the rest was a response to everything else. :) --
Elv 21:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Actually I agreed with you there, but I guess my phrasing was a little poor. The first half of my comment refers to the first sentence, the rest was a response to everything else. :) --
- Obviously you didn't read my previous comment very carefully: "spaming "fuck" in all chat isn't acceptable behavior, and there generally isn't a reason to swear in all chat anyways, and never in trade." Lord Belar 21:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- So suppose I were dark-skinned and took offense at use of the n-word, I've got issues? I don't entirely agree. If you take offense at the word "bunny" you definitely have issues, but if you get irritated because someone feels the need to spam crude words describing certain parts of female anatomy, for instance, then I'd say it's perfectly understandable if you take offense. I agree with you that it shouldn't be policed as much in guild or alliance chat- that's a matter that can be settled with guild/alliance rules and a simple kick if necessary. Whispering would be a case-by-case thing, though, because it concerns personal and direct interaction. --
- If someone saying a word causes you grief, you've got other problems. Naturally, spaming "fuck" in all chat isn't acceptable behavior, and there generally isn't a reason to swear in all chat anyways, and never in trade, but as long as it isn't spaming, swearing in team/whisper/guild/alliance should be fine. Lord Belar 21:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Uhm, no. Just no. Taking offense at swearing isn't the result of a bad childhood or lack of friends, it's usually a sign of some degree of manners. I take offense at some forms of swearing and I'm certainly not someone who fits into any of the categories you mentioned. I just feel that it's not necessary to express yourself in a way that will cause grief to others, and I know for a fact that there are more polite ways of conveying a message. I am far from the only person to think so. I won't claim to be an angel, because I do slip up myself sometimes, but by and large swearing isn't the way to go if you want to express yourself. It certainly won't raise another person's expectations of your intellect. --
- no elv, the problem is people who find swearing offensive, only those with tragic childhoods, no friends and parents who hit them and/or is emo find it offensive and should go play hellokitty online instead. Not saying that gw is hardcore but even 12 year olds does not find it offensive and swear themselves. --Cursed Angel
- A lot of people find swearing offending. Not everyone is equally easily offended, but it's not exactly an unknown issue to players. You know you're probably going to offend people if you start swearing in local chat, so you also know that you'll be ruining a few people's game time and it's not an attitude that should be endorsed. Unfortunately swearing is everywhere- on the net as well as real life. Should people stop going places and stop doing things just to avoid swearing? Of course not. That's twisting the whole problem around. The issue is not with the people who take offense at swearing- it's with the people who lack the self control to refrain from spamming obsceneties where others will see. (And "damn" shouldn't be in the filter in the first place. If the game itself uses the word, then it seems odd to filter it out when players use the word.) --
- "Damn" shows up at least 15 times in game dialog, so if you're that offended by swearing, maybe you should go play something else. I also don't see how swearing could be construed as "ruining a player's experience," unless you were to whisper them and swear at them repeatedly, and that's another matter entirely. Lord Belar 20:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Have to agree with Elv on this one. However I do agree with the others that the chat filter is somewhat redundant if you get banned for swearing anyway. I think taking out the chat filter would be a better idea as it makes the issue and anet's stance somewhat clearer (especially as it annoyingly blanks words like "Ass", meaning playing and talking about the assasin class can be somewhat problamatic; it also rather offensivly blanks out the word "gay" or at least it did last time I checked but this may have changed.) -- Salome 17:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Contrary to popular belief, not so people can swear at their heart's content. --
- srsly temporary ban for swearing? wth is the chat filter for? --Cursed goes sockpuppeting
- And think there's a good point here though. So what he was swearing? There's a chat filter, if I was offended by swearing in general I would leave the filter on. If he was swearing creatively (in such a way as to bypass the filter) that would be another issue. Likewise if he was swearing at someone, or swearing via use of slurs. But just swearing in general when there's a method for people to censor him on their end? I don't see the big deal. -
- A lot of people finding swearing offensive, yes, but there's also the chat filters to block these kinds of things. Pretty much everyone in this conversation has said this. Personally, if you switch off the chat filter you don't really have the right to complain about generally offensive words like the 'f' or 'c' words but can still complain about their use if it just gets disgusting, discriminative or downright disturbing. Perhaps you should email Anet support directly and find out what was so offensive that it warranted the suspension. If its just because you use general swear words in an unaggressive way you can argue 'whats the point of the chat filter then?' Might not have much luck but at least you'll know why you got suspended. House Of Furyan 04:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'd like everyone to step back, take a deep breath, and move away from this topic. There will never be a resolution on this and unless ArenaNet starts banning people for this incredibly strictly, it's not worth getting into another never-to-get-resolved Guild Wars Wiki talk:No profanity. And one more thing for everyone to keep in mind regarding those who get banned: They tend to make it seem like they're victims, so there's really nothing to speculate about unless we actually know what happened first hand. -- ab.er.rant
08:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'd like everyone to step back, take a deep breath, and move away from this topic. There will never be a resolution on this and unless ArenaNet starts banning people for this incredibly strictly, it's not worth getting into another never-to-get-resolved Guild Wars Wiki talk:No profanity. And one more thing for everyone to keep in mind regarding those who get banned: They tend to make it seem like they're victims, so there's really nothing to speculate about unless we actually know what happened first hand. -- ab.er.rant
(Reset indent) The filter is not designed to be the be-all and end-all for protecting players from offensive behavior. It's a shame we have to have a filter at all, and certainly we see both sides of the issue, from those wanting absolute control to those wanting no control at all. The simple answer is that the game is a social setting, and just as there are expectations for reasonable behavior in other social settings -- a movie theatre, a restaurant, a shopping mall -- there are expectations that players will use a modicum of self-restraint in the game. If you're under the impression that paying for a fine steak dinner somehow buys you the right to dance on the tabletops or shout expletives while in your neighborhood eatery, well, the manager is going to show you how sorely mistaken you are when he tosses you out on your ear and follows it up with your fine steak dinner. :)
Seriously, though, the point is there are social and cultural expectations for both public and private settings. If someone swears "quite a bit" in All Chat, as in the case that the OP cited, then it's entirely practical to expect that that person may be given a time-out for having crossed the line from reasonable to unacceptable. It is not fair to say "use the word filter" in excessive cases any more than it's fair to say "use your door locks or I have the right to steal from you."
Now, you may be interested to know that the same standards of acceptability are not enforced in all levels of chat, and we would not take the same action for someone using swear words in Guild Chat that we would take for someone swearing excessively in All Chat. And lastly, this isn't about "freedom of speech" in any level whatsoever, so please let's not go there. Thanks. -- Gaile
19:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Nice analogies, Gaile, and I'd have to agree with you on this one.--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 19:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
GDC 2008
Hey Gaile, I was wondering if you had anything to say about A.Net regarding the upcoming Games Developer Conference? --Ravious 12:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- ArenaNet will not be attending GDC. A few employees may attend, I suppose, but this isn't an event that we attend as a company, or at which we have any sort of official presence. We will be putting all our "official presence-ness" into PAX in Seattle and GC in Leipzig. :) -- Gaile
08:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Cool, thanks! It would be awesome if Strain was re-invited to talk at GC. I still read that speech from time to time... mostly to try and understand GW2 design philosophy more. Anyway thanks for the response. --Ravious 13:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Izzy
Dear Gaile,
just out of curiosity, how is Izzy doing? He hasn't been on his talk pag for a long time and I was kinda wondering if he is doing allright. Sincerely, Nicky Silverstar 08:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- [2] did i get that right? anyway the answer is on that archive --Cursed Angel
10:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I still hope he's in good health and all (and not too much stress). Sorry to bother you guys. Nicky Silverstar 21:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- Are you looking for a skill update? Whats with the whole " I Love izzy thing " ? 24.141.45.72 03:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, unlike SOME people, I never verbally assaulted Izzy. Instead, I want(ed) to help him with his job. And, well, I am curious. Nicky Silverstar 14:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Are you looking for a skill update? Whats with the whole " I Love izzy thing " ? 24.141.45.72 03:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I still hope he's in good health and all (and not too much stress). Sorry to bother you guys. Nicky Silverstar 21:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Guild Wars Character Skeleton
Just a question you might already know the answer to, it is in regards to the skeleton that playable characters use for their animation: "I was wondering if the skeleton of the playable character is a generic skeleton or do each profession / gender have a unique skeleton?" I know in some Pc and Console games the skeletons are shared between all 'humans' (for example) and its just the animations that are different. House Of Furyan 07:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- ah, I feel no love lol House Of Furyan 11:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- According to our Animation Team Lead, Rebecca Coffman, there are a number of different human skeletons. We don't use the "one skeleton works for all" process. -- Gaile
00:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. House Of Furyan 00:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- According to our Animation Team Lead, Rebecca Coffman, there are a number of different human skeletons. We don't use the "one skeleton works for all" process. -- Gaile
You Were Right..
when you said there were all sorts in the dat *cough* --
Brains12 \ Talk 22:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- That's one of the winners of the factions emblem comp. As I recall it split the community... half thought it hilarious the other half thought someone who'd put effort in should have won. --Aspectacle 22:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- Aaah, that makes more sense. Whilst funny, I say I have to agree with the latter half... --
Brains12 \ Talk 22:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- We had that for our cape for a day. :P - BeX
22:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- I was rereading the PC Gamer GW2 issue, and in the PvP section, the players have this abomination on their cape.--Pyron Sy 22:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's on my guild cape. Half the guild hates it, but our gl won't let them remove it. :P Lord Belar 23:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- great to hear, now i finnally know why there's such an...uhm strange? guild emblem in the selection. However, i will now never get how this could win against one of the emblems in the honorable mentions. Maybe the "inventive" look? —Zerpha
The Improver 05:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Their was complete uproar on the forums about this if I remeber correctly, divided people quite effectively. I still fall into the hating camp on this one, but then for some reason anet persist in picking one crap winner, in amongst the deserving winners, each time. Felix the Charr anyone? -- Salome 10:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- great to hear, now i finnally know why there's such an...uhm strange? guild emblem in the selection. However, i will now never get how this could win against one of the emblems in the honorable mentions. Maybe the "inventive" look? —Zerpha
- It's on my guild cape. Half the guild hates it, but our gl won't let them remove it. :P Lord Belar 23:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- I was rereading the PC Gamer GW2 issue, and in the PvP section, the players have this abomination on their cape.--Pyron Sy 22:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- We had that for our cape for a day. :P - BeX
- Aaah, that makes more sense. Whilst funny, I say I have to agree with the latter half... --
- Agreed. There are some odd things in the .dat. *cough, cough* — Galil
23:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Ignore slots
Hi Gaile, not sure who to talk to about this, so I'll just stick it here. We're currently limited to ten ignore slots, right? Considering the recent explosion in spambots in-game, it'd be nice if that amount was about quadrupled or removed altogether. I've been getting constant whispers for as long as an hour after I've left the Isle of Balthazar, and my slots are all already full with other bots. --64.202.126.223 05:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- u can un-ignore some names after a time since bots who spam there gets banned quickly --78.82.75.156 12:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- That is what I recommend: After a few days, clear your ignore list, as it's unlikely you will meet those folks again. Add the new irritants and you're good. And yes, having more ignore slots would be good, I do understand. That may be something we can improve in Guild Wars 2. -- Gaile
02:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- That is what I recommend: After a few days, clear your ignore list, as it's unlikely you will meet those folks again. Add the new irritants and you're good. And yes, having more ignore slots would be good, I do understand. That may be something we can improve in Guild Wars 2. -- Gaile
Chronomancer
Hi Gaile, one of my friends sent me a little screenie from your talk yesterday (?) where you mentioned about 'Chronomancers'. It's a little concept a friend of mine and I came up with in the RP Guild 'The Orphans of Kukai'! I'd love to tell you more about it sometime if you're interested =P It's basically time travel though xD - Kiyoshi Ryuu [Aeromancer, Orphans of Kukai]
- Chronomancers were also a possible profession for the cancelled Utopia. --fraught · (talk) 13:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Oh really? Well I'll be damned, never knew that! Maybe it can be brought up in Guild Wars II? - Kiyo
can it be a new skin?
there are a few instances of weapons we see in game but not useable by players :P, something like the eternal blade. Think a few more could be added later on maybe? some examples are-the pointy stick from Minister cho's estate misson cinematic(could be a nice spear),the daggers aspects of kanaxia wield,the staffs jotun wield,and a few others i cant remember ><,but since their alrdy an in game code im guessing,think they could be added in the future? also anyone can think of a skin related to the ones above,add it :p.Snipey lizard 21:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've been following the posts in here and Gaile has mentioned that there will be new skins, she just doesn't know if they'll announce it or not. Make it into a big surprise, who knows? As to when? I can't say also. Renin 02:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- Please don't let it become another polar bear incident, where the item is only available for a weekend or so haha -Warior kronos 14:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Rata Sum
Hi Gaile! I just had the chance to run into you (Lion Mask and Sweet Tooth Title and all) out of the blue in Rata Sum American dis 1. I waved at you but you must have been afk. Or you didnt know who I am, as I am sure you get a lot of that sort of thing. Plus, I was on my Assassin - Nikki Quickkill - and not on the character most know me as (Holy Hottie). But I am still amazed - you were on Gaile Gray, which you use to visit with players, and not on International Servers as you usually are. Still, the odds of running into you or any other Anet staff member out of the blue like that is pretty low with all the people that play, so I wouldn't be disappointed if you didn't know who I was. I did take a picture of it for a personal souvenir though :). Nbajammer
00:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Roller Beetle in Town...
I saw a player in the roller beetle form in town, specifically in Lion's Arch next to the rock, paper, scissors guy. He was sitting there doing the beetle spin dance. When asked about how he did that, he didn't respond and instead rolled off.
Is this some kind of glitch or just something I don't know about? -- Amazing Goat 03:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- There's beetle juice and everlasting beetle juice tonics that turn you into rollerbeetles. -- Armond Warblade
03:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Beetle Juice Tonic. Calor
03:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Beetle Juice Tonic. Calor
Question
Just a question: how large is the chance that something like the 5-for-1 minipet tradein will happen next year with the rat? I just want to know wheter I should start hogging (no pun intended) them already, so I will have enough next year. Nicky Silverstar 20:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- P.S. I honestly mean this as a question. It can be viewed negatively, but it is not intended as ~sarcasm or criticism.
- I don't think so, they weren't given out as drops this year 88.110.36.104 20:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- I also don't think so, but I didn't think so last year, so if there is a chance, I'd rather have an early warning. Nicky Silverstar 07:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Highly unlikely since there's no over population of rats this time around. Renin 08:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. Nicky Silverstar 21:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Highly unlikely since there's no over population of rats this time around. Renin 08:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- I also don't think so, but I didn't think so last year, so if there is a chance, I'd rather have an early warning. Nicky Silverstar 07:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think so, they weren't given out as drops this year 88.110.36.104 20:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Alliance Planning Event
Hey Gaile, Quick simple question for ya, the alliance im in and the guild im with is wanting to put on an event for the game in an out post some place in Guild Wars. We were curious about doing so I figured Id come and ask you about it if we can or not or what we needed to do to do so. Thanks a lot and hope to hear back from ya, Shredder101 05:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Btw if you wanna lemme know by email, you can email me at Captainamerica_doom@hotmail.com or ping me in game sometime on the name Shredders Revenge.
- Hey, there. It's great that your alliance would like to hold a in-game event or party. We have had a lot of successful events in the past, where different guilds and alliances have come up with an idea and have gotten together to coordinate an event. For example, several have held birthday parties where they have invited other players outside the alliance/guild to participate, such as those held by Lowland Lions or DvD Forums, or GWOnline Guild. Some alliances have created a brand-new party theme, like the Easter Egg Hunt, Mursaat Rally, Ascalon Royal Family Masquerade Ball, Oktoberfest, and New Year's Awakening. Some guilds or alliances sponsor district support during one of our holiday events, as did DVDF, AVE, and several other guilds during the Canthan New Year 2008. And of course some guilds put together PvP events with the help of sponsors, such as last fall's RAWR Cup, which will have its second tournament in the spring of 2008.
- I would encourage your alliance members to look at the pages of the popular events mentioned above for ideas of how to organize an event. You will want to give a lot of time in advance to properly plan, and you'll need a group of active, committed members to help organize and run an event. I imagine those groups that have hosted events would be happy to answer your questions on their guild pages or on a fan forum. Best of luck! -- Gaile
20:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Logitech G15 Keyboard
Hello Gaile, first time 'posting' here. I was wondering if we are allowed to use the macro keys on G15 Keyboards without getting banned. ArenaNet gave one out for a sweepstakes, so I don't see why we wouldn't be able to. Hope to hear from you soon ^^--71.104.108.249 06:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, you can use them all you want. Just don't automate things to a point where you're botting/or afk, or gaining some advantage. Kuntz 09:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Would using them to press eight 15 times in boxing in 1 second (there is a little delay though) be called 'gaining some advantage'? --71.104.108.249 18:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you are there...no...but i cant figure out how to do it...so i just click skill 8, press 8 above letters on keyboard, and 8 on numpad repeatedlyKiller Revan 02:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- I have a mouse that can use macro's for the mouse buttons. I would like to use them for emotes and since that can only possibly give me some advantage in the Tihark Orchard mission, is that ok? Nicky Silverstar 08:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- P.S. Also, just out of curiosity, is it 'legal' to make a button that targets the closest enemy AND attack it?
- There's a keyboard that has keys for the emotes, so I assume it is legal to make those keys do that on another keyboard? Nicky Silverstar 09:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you are there...no...but i cant figure out how to do it...so i just click skill 8, press 8 above letters on keyboard, and 8 on numpad repeatedlyKiller Revan 02:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Would using them to press eight 15 times in boxing in 1 second (there is a little delay though) be called 'gaining some advantage'? --71.104.108.249 18:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, you can use them all you want. Just don't automate things to a point where you're botting/or afk, or gaining some advantage. Kuntz 09:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
(Reset indent) The keyboard is fine, but as others cautioned, you should not get it so macro'd out that it auto-targets, auto-attacks, auto-picks-up-the-loot, and auto-brew-you-an-espresso-while-you-play. ;) -- Gaile
00:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, drat, so I have to get up and get my coffee myself now? :( --
Elv 09:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I only have one button, so now I have to decide what emote to assign...Nicky Silverstar 07:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
texmod
Would texmod be considered an exploit? It gives users the ability to change any texture, even to transparent within the game. We know it does mapping and that's just part of the 'strategic edge'.. but it can do alot more. Comments? And when can we start banning users for this? ;p
- As far as the previous conversations about this topic goes, they will not support texmod if anything happens to your game and system. They view it as safe since only you can see your modification and that it does not harm anything in-game. It also does not let you play without you playing which means that you're safe. I've been using it for my carto and it helps and since the carto title does not ruin in-game economy, while HFFF MAY be viewed differently with the use of texmod. I still think it's safe to use since, once again, it only helps you strategically. Of course with the advent of hfff i don't know if that part is safe. Renin 09:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know how much benefit it gives HFFF runners. I know the spots and blobs and shadows on the map from memory anyway. Having it with texmod wouldn't change anything. Especially considering the screenshots I've seen of the mods out there don't use the same spots as I do. - BeX
09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know how much benefit it gives HFFF runners. I know the spots and blobs and shadows on the map from memory anyway. Having it with texmod wouldn't change anything. Especially considering the screenshots I've seen of the mods out there don't use the same spots as I do. - BeX
When can we start banning users for HFFF? Right away! It seriously threatens the GW... uh... gameplay... or something... -Auron 09:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
You can find the definitive answer here: Guide_to_modifying_in-game_graphics#ArenaNet.
(Aiiane - talk - contribs) 09:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well hold on there, I belive that ANET's official position is now [quote] "The beauty of Guild Wars is your ability to experience what you want, and what you are able to experience, while another player may enjoy and pursue completely different elements of the game. Please remember that Guild Wars is a global game with millions of players, and realize that not every thing is easily obtained by every player, but that for every player, a multitude of opportunities do exist. Us players being offered fresh goals, new features, and expansions of the game experience -- in large ways and in small -- it a very, very good thing." So if you are not willing or able to do something that another player has or can do, you can just be quiet and go stand in a corner with the rest of us.........Hagarr 15:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- It would be fairly trivial for someone to learn the locations rather than use the HFFF aid, especially as those who farm FFF usually do it repeatedly for hours. The positions on the map are pretty obvious (once pointed out on the wiki or elsewhere). I find it a bit farfetched to say that it provides an advantage. --
Alaris 20:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- It would be fairly trivial for someone to learn the locations rather than use the HFFF aid, especially as those who farm FFF usually do it repeatedly for hours. The positions on the map are pretty obvious (once pointed out on the wiki or elsewhere). I find it a bit farfetched to say that it provides an advantage. --
Hehe...
You know, Gaile Warnings doesn't exist, hehe... ;). --Treasure Boy 19:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Errrr... What?! Gale warnings are real, we get them in the UK all the time. I believe this is what we like to refer to as a "pun", dear boy. -- Salome 01:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
He means her character Gaile Warnings....68.151.27.108 01:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think by Gaile Warnings, it's a joke at how her name is Gaile, which is also a type of storm, which also has it's own warning codes. — ク Eloc 貢 06:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Gaile Warnings is just a mule, so I guess Gaile deleted the char after getting rid of her stuff. -- Hong 06:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
That would be 'Gale' and not "Gaile" as in gale force winds. Gale.
- It's a words on play. --
Alaris 20:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Activity of Izzy on the wiki
This is somewhat related to the topic above. Isaiah's last contribution on the wiki was in early november. Meanwhile, lots of editors here still contribute to his overpowered and underpowered skills section. In fact those parts were one of the mayor points drawing people on this wiki when it was founded. However with no apparant feedback, people start feeling ignored and react rather negatively. It would be very helpful if you could ask Isaiah whether he plans to further use the wiki as a tool to get community input. If he decides against that, we could post a note on his talk page warning people that the input will most likely not be read to prevent bad feelings.
Additionally, I asked Isaiah whether he would want a more community managed approach of that section to cut down the amount of comments he has to read as well as shield him from the sometimes rather not nice comments, while keeping the section working as a means of relaying information. So far there has been no answer (most likely because he stopped reading his wiki talk page).
The overpowered/underpowered section was a great asset to the wiki and it would be cool to restore it in some way, however if that is not possible/wanted, we need a clear word about it. --Xeeron 13:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Without addtional policys in place, you can not moderate a section for everyone. We need clear rules that people can adhere to....as alot of people do not have good judgement, or feel they need someone to vent to. And historically, it seems Izzys page catches most of the flack. Med Luvin 15:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Check the last link in my post to see that the proposal is possible and something similar is already practised here. --Xeeron 17:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- It would be nice to get a statement from Izzy on wheter or not we should continue asking for buffs/nerfs. And if we're doing something wrong, we'd really like to know, so we can fix it (at least, I would like to know if I am doing something wrong from someone else than Readem). Nicky Silverstar 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- The Under/Overpowered sections have become the Gaza Strip of the wiki. I don't care if Izzy follows every single word on those pages (which I doubt he does), those pages need to somehow be fixed. If anyone has any idea how to make those pages friendlier and more effective, without slurs at Izzy, then bring them up somewhere. Community Portal talk should suffice for now. Calor
20:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Izzy would do better do get rid of the pages and just listen to people like ensign. The vast majority of players are bad, and their ideas fail. This then creates tension between better players and the bad ones, so you get all the rage. Lord of all tyria 20:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- They'd work great if we handed out a one day ban to anyone making insulting and/or nonconstructive comments on those pages. Lord Belar 22:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Sparking more anger, and more work for the admins. Calor
00:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Sparking more anger, and more work for the admins. Calor
- They'd work great if we handed out a one day ban to anyone making insulting and/or nonconstructive comments on those pages. Lord Belar 22:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Izzy would do better do get rid of the pages and just listen to people like ensign. The vast majority of players are bad, and their ideas fail. This then creates tension between better players and the bad ones, so you get all the rage. Lord of all tyria 20:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- The Under/Overpowered sections have become the Gaza Strip of the wiki. I don't care if Izzy follows every single word on those pages (which I doubt he does), those pages need to somehow be fixed. If anyone has any idea how to make those pages friendlier and more effective, without slurs at Izzy, then bring them up somewhere. Community Portal talk should suffice for now. Calor
- It would be nice to get a statement from Izzy on wheter or not we should continue asking for buffs/nerfs. And if we're doing something wrong, we'd really like to know, so we can fix it (at least, I would like to know if I am doing something wrong from someone else than Readem). Nicky Silverstar 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Check the last link in my post to see that the proposal is possible and something similar is already practised here. --Xeeron 17:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Xeeron, don't you think this topic would be better at Izzys page, not Gailes? — ク Eloc 貢 02:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- What about moving the skill feedback pages to a project page? Something like Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Skill feedback. -- Gordon Ecker 03:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Eloc, if you've read Xeeron's comments, you should have seen the paragraph where he explained that he already asked Izzy and had not gotten a reply... -- ab.er.rant
03:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Language on Izzy's pages are appalling and I'm surprised administrators haven't taken care of those offenders. Perhaps they did but I am not seeing it since those curses are still there. Barinthus 05:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's a wiki not a forum, despite being used like one. I suspect that the worst offenders have been dealt with but wikis have a very don't mess with others comments approach to talk pages and it shows with some nasty sentiment just sticking around. Perhaps the more popular pages like Izzy's, the game update pages and this page should be run more like a forum (moderation of posts, merging of "threads", semi-protection against anon IPs). I know it isn't "wiki" but the alternative is pretty ugly. --Aspectacle 06:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Language on Izzy's pages are appalling and I'm surprised administrators haven't taken care of those offenders. Perhaps they did but I am not seeing it since those curses are still there. Barinthus 05:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Izzy would do better do get rid of the pages and just listen to people like ensign. The vast majority of players are bad, and their ideas fail. This then creates tension between better players and the bad ones, so you get all the rage. Lord of all tyria 20:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC) It is posts like this, that basically say shut up noob, you suck at the game so you may not say anything (though you said it a more polite manner than most) that can create a conflict. While some people may be really good at the game and can offer great insight, just as many are just as good but will only suggest changes that fit with their view of how the game should be, while some new players may actually do something wrong and make a great suggestion. I think Izzy is more than capable at filtering out the bad suggestions himself, so I am highly against any 'banning of noobs'. Good people can have bad ideas and bad people good ideas, and there isn't 1 person who know everything about this game. And involving new players in dicussions and explaining why their ideas don't seem so good to you might actually imrpove their understanding of the game. Nicky Silverstar 09:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ok I understand it's a wiki and all of that. However, it seems to me what goes on that page amounts to verbal abuse. One or two choice words here and there - that I can understand. But the amount I see on that page is extreme and way beyond any civilized standards. And since the community isn't doing something about those individuals, they are equally responsible as well for tolerating such behavior. I however do acknowledge that I don't know what goes behind the scene so... anyway that penny arcade link on your page says it all.
Barinthus talk 14:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ok I understand it's a wiki and all of that. However, it seems to me what goes on that page amounts to verbal abuse. One or two choice words here and there - that I can understand. But the amount I see on that page is extreme and way beyond any civilized standards. And since the community isn't doing something about those individuals, they are equally responsible as well for tolerating such behavior. I however do acknowledge that I don't know what goes behind the scene so... anyway that penny arcade link on your page says it all.
Maybe he's just THAT busy? I mean he is part of the dev team for GW2 and I'm sure they only wiki during their free time, maybe he just does not have extra time to respond? Hey, just a thought. I've had guildmates who goes missing 8 months, of course they weren't part of GW but you know what I mean. Vacation perhaps? Just being candid here! Renin 14:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- There is no doubt that the abusive behavior must stop. I try not participate in it, but its hard when people are picking on you. The