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release date

The release date is said to be nov. 29th. can anyone verify this?

Bonus Mission Pack

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

I know, I know, this probably isn't the place to ask it. However, you're generally the nicest person when it comes to answering questions. You're the only one I can be certain that will take the time to read my complaints =)

I'm looking over the bonus missions thing on the main site, and with just the information provided, it seems a bit, unfair. I understand giving it to people who purchase stuff, and that's not what particularily bothers me. What bothers me is that it requires you to both own and use a credit card. I have been an avid Guild Wars player since the World Preview Event years ago with well over a thousand hours spent on the game, multiple accounts, and so on. I even have Guild Wars posters around my room, and I'm using a Guild Wars mouse pad right now. Yet I'm going to be left out in the cold on these missions simply because I'm not old enough to legally have a credit card, and my parents don't trust giving out numbers online. It won't just be me who is missing out, either. Many, many players of Guild Wars are under the age of 18. Others, like my parents, don't feel secure purchasing stuff online.

My question is, does ever intend to put out a box for the missions, or include a code for it in some CE or Pre-order of GW:EN or GW2?(I'm aware GW:EN comes out 2 months before these missions, however) Perhaps even making them freely available a few months later? Marin Alacet 20:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

All guild wars campaigns I bought so far have been boxed versions, so I understand where you are comming from. However, the business rationale for that move should be pretty clear: If you spend 40$ on GW:EN buying via the online shop, ANet makes 40$ minus maybe 1$ max credit card fees. If you buy it for 40$ in your local retailer, ANet makes 40$ minus the cost of producing the box minus the cost of shipping it minus the cut the retailer takes. Meaning that they make lots more money if you buy online. The bonus missions seem to be their way of giving part of that back to the customers (or selfishly pushing customers to buy online if you will). There is no way they could make the same money from boxed versions without making the offline price much higher.
I guess your only hope (apart from getting a credit card from somewhere) is to wait. Maybe there will be a "Gold" or "legacy" or whatever version in some time to come with all the goodies. --Xeeron 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not in the USA, but I was told Americans have this: "Visa Gift Cards. If you google them you will find sellers that have retail stores. Walmart sells them. Just hit up Walmart, you have to "register" the card so it has an address on file for your on-line purchases. Then you should be good to go for the on-line store. This isn't tested yet, but it seems a viable option for those with no cards. If you can't get to those kinds of stores that another issue." Maybe that could help you? Erasculio 21:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
There's also prepaid "credit" cards. I'd like to know if it will be available as a regular purchase in the online store after the promotion is over. I'm guessing that the answer is yes, but it hasn't been explicitly stated, and some people are speculating that the bonus pack will only be aavailable through the limited-time promotion. -- Gordon Ecker 23:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, at least in Canada, you must be 18 years or older to buy a pre-paid visa.Marin Alacet 04:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... I think there is something else that is more of a concern to me... why is it that we have to spend USD29 on something else to get the mission pack? Why can't ArenaNet just charge for the mission pack itself? What's the point? I don't see the mission pack as free, I see it as forcing me to buy other stuff just to get the mission pack. I'd have to get THREE character slots of which I don't really want (one is ok, but three?), there's nothing else I can buy (to get up to USD29) to get the mission pack, since I want a physical box for GWEN (unless... there's no box...). -- sig 02:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
It will depend for me how much EB Games Australia charges for GW:EN. I'd prefer having a box and the stuff that comes with it. Maybe offer the mission pack for the difference in cost between buying stuff physically or online (so whatever Anet loses from printing discs, shipping, etc). - BeX iawtc 02:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd so much rather not have to buy GW:EN online, so if the store doesn't offer anything else that I can actually buy (aside from character slots), I'll probably be missing out on these missions. -- sig 02:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
[EDIT] I read most of the Guru thread and got sick to my stomach. The last thing you need right now is more complaining. So I deleted my previous post and put this in it's place. Don't read the history, Gaile.. theres only dark smelly places of mitching and boaning there. >.<
Honestly, this event has put you in a new light in my eyes. While I may not agree with whats happening, I can't begin to explain how I admire you right now for staying up at 3AM and fighting the hordes of ravenous posters over there. This... this is like a lone mesmer standing up to a swarm of torment creatures. I don't think I, or anybody else I know, has the guts to do what you are doing right now. Well done, Gaile. Well done. Counciler 09:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
That's a really nice thing to write and, especially given the current situation, it means a ton to me that you took the time to do it. I admit that I feel like a zombie this morning--four hours of sleep will do that--but you know, it felt good to be able to get player input and provide the answers, when I was able. I hope we'll have more information today, especially about payment methods and so forth. Thanks again for your kind words! --Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem at all. It was true, so it had to be said. I think anybody in your position has a right to hear some kind words that aren't just praise for the game. Now go get some sleep, hehe! :) Counciler 22:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
If putting a response in an old topic is frowned upon here, I apologize. I just didn't think this merited starting a new topic. But if that's the case, I will just start new one in future. Anyway I wanted to ask something - last night I decided to check my "manage access key" section of my account to see if the Bonus Pack has been added since I did purchase GW:EN via the online store. It's not there so I can't help but wonder should I be worried? Thanks Barinthus 18:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
No. I believe the key and everything will be automatically added when the bonus pack becomes online. Alaris 19:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI- I have been playing GW since it was born. I preffer the online GW store to ANY retailer. My expereices with retailers actually suck! They misplace order, order only one game (have a wife who plays with me so I need 2 not one), or have the "truck shippment" arrive late in which I miss playing the few hours early. The only thing I would like to have is all the neat little map/booklet that comes with the retail purchase. Maybe marketing can ship out the point of purchase items after the purchase from the online store. I would even pay a few dolars more for the shipping charge to get my neat little items. Having access to the onlie store makes a smooth transition to my GW world. I belive that the bonus mission pack should not be available for purchase as a stand alone item, but as a bonus item for purchases made on that account (leave as is). my 2 cents worth

Will the possibillity to get the BMP expand? on month more or such? would be fair to those who dont have the credit-cards needed in the shop!

Bonus Mission Pack 2

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

The official site mentions "...for a limited time...", but doesn't say when the offer will end. They tell at the fine print in the bottom how it will be RELEASED sometime between Nov 1-30 2007. Does that mean the availability of the package will be within those two dates, or does it simply mean that we should expect to see it for the first time somewhere in the month of November? Counciler 23:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

If you will please revisit that page, you'll see revised wording. If that's not clear, I need to know. Thanks. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 23:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Much clearer, thank you for that clarification Gaile. -- CoRrRan (CoRrRan / talk) 00:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, much clearer. But I have another question. Will there ever be a secondary way to acquire this bonus mission pack? Perhaps, being able to purchase it separately? Oh, and you might want to take a look at this thread at Guru... people are getting a bit fired up over there... Its kinda scary... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Counciler .

Ok and another question :) Do you need to spend over the required amount in a single transaction, or just in total over the course of the time period specified. --Lemming64 02:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about future offerings of this pack, I'm sorry to say. I do know that what you buy is tracked on the PlayNC store page, now, and that the purchases do not all need to be made at once. :) --Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again for the clarification gaile :) --Lemming64 02:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I just browsed through a couple of pages on the guru thread that CoRrRan linked. The amount of hate, rant, and negativity in there was kinda scary, and alot of it was based on pure speculation without much rationale thought. Tough job you have there Gaile. -- sig 02:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
CoRrRan didn't link that. I did. Counciler 08:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Oops... :P -- sig 08:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I do understand that children will have a hard time convincing their parents to buy an update online, but I do like the fact they are offered, we can choose anything from the online shop (millennium edition, characters, pvp-skills)and we'll get the bonus missions as an extra.. Great initiative, and I hope everyone who wants it can figure out a way to get it, even if they need to wash their uncle's car for the next few weeks to bribe him =) --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 12:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I always believe in options. I like the idea of free bonus pack with purchase, but I'd also like the option to buy only the bonus pack for a fee. I'll check the merchandise on the online store, but I'm still not sure I'd go for it if it meant that I have to give up the packaging for GW:EN. Alaris 15:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Now plz tell me you make me able to use paypall. :(Jelmewnema 17:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know, there are not near-term plans to add PayPal, but I know it is being discussed. The team tells me that it may be able to add SMS payments in the near future. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 01:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
That would be a good idea, because otherwise you would keep a lot of dutch customers out. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Jelmewnema .
I am a little impatient, but is there something new about the SMS payment? Since the release of GW:EN is soon. d03n3rfr1tz3•ị•talk User d03n3rfr1tz3 sig.gif 12:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Link to shop

Just went to the homepage to check out the online shop and was amazed to see that there is no link there. I really expected to find one, the homepage seems to be the obvious place to search it. Or I am blind and someone will point out how I made a fool out of myself, lol. --Xeeron 12:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Best I could find was looking in the Suppport section, then under "where to buy", which has a link to the plaync site for purchasing the various titles. However, this looks nothing like the online store as accessed in-game. --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 12:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The ArenaNet GW online store can only be accessed through in-game, so it's not surprising that you can't find a link to it anywhere. As for the NCSoft store, PlayNC, they only sell the campaigns there, if I'm not mistaken (the last time I checked was when I grabbed Nightfall). --Dirigible 12:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, that explains the lack of a link, thx. --Xeeron 13:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I think Gaile said that the PlayNC shop will have the prerelease pack, EotN and will imclude the Bonus mission pack if you buy for the required amount. Not totally sure about it though. - anja talk 13:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
You certainly can purchase the GW:EN Prerelease Bonus Pack and the game through the PlayNC store, but the Guild Wars Bonus Mission Offer is only available through the Guild Wars Official (in-game) store. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 01:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
It would be great to have confirmation that the pre-release pack will be available via the ingame store in parallel with the PlayNC store. I am assuming that the PlayNC purchases do not apply to the ingame store Bonus Mission purchase requirements. I have looked everywhere for confirmation to this effect.-->Cstrabley 15:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Did you look immediately below what you wrote, at my "Important Note?" :) If you have questions after you read that, please let me know, but I think that covers it. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 15:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Important Note

In order to qualify for the bonus, you must make your purchases through the Guild Wars In-Game Store. may make your purchase through either the Guild Wars In-Game Store or the PlayNC Store.

Purchases through the PlayNC store do not count towards the Bonus Mission Pack. The reason for this is technological, for technology allows access to certain items -- PvP Packs, Character slots, the Bonus Missions -- to be applied to your account automatically, and that can be enabled through an in-game purchase, only. (Note: This has been changed and you now may purchase through the In-Game or PlayNC Store. All purchases made since July 5th in either location will count.) The Guild Wars In-Game Store or the PlayNC Store will offer you the opportunity to purchase both the GW:EN Prerelease Bonus Pack now and GW:EN itself in the near future. You can qualify for the Bonus Mission Pack with any Guild Wars purchase made in the In-Game or PlayNC Store, and purchases will accumulate. So a character slot today, and a PvP Pack next month will apply, or a straightforward purchase of GW:EN, will get you the bonus. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 18:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok, sorry. And thanks for clarification. :) - anja talk 18:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I've posted a page explaining more about the Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack offer on the Gaile News page. If you have questions, feel free to add them here, or add them to the fan forums, as I am tracking comments and questions there, as well. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 01:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I think A-Net should put in more things for us to buy before then. I already have the pvp packs and all of the campaigns. If I buy 2 extra character slots and the GOtY Upgrade, that only adds up to $24.97. In order to to qualify for the mission bonus pack, I would need to waist money on something I already have or don't need. I am just not willing to do that. I know some people would argue that its worth the extra $4.03 to get the bonus, but I dont think I can buy the GOtY upgrade more than once. And spending the $10.00 on another slot I wont use seems, well, stupid.Ranger-icon-small.pngBlackie ewilson92 18:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok I read this and the other pages and it said to look for an update the week of July 22 regarding purchase in the Play NC store. I noticed it said updated July 21, last week, does that mean I should still wait for the update on the bonus mission in the Play NC store? I would really like a way to get my box AND the missions without purchasing two copies - I am cautiously excited over this option. EDIT: Oh I think I made a mistake, the Play NC store doesn't appear to ship out a box to you either.Dancing Gnome 07:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Bonus Mission Pack- a question

I was really excited to hear about the bonus mission pack, because I'm a PvE fangirl at heart and I'd love to play them. If the pack can be purchased normally through the online store, I'd definitely buy it, However, right now it's not clear whether or not it will be made available for ordinary purchase, and this irks me because I've really already bought everything there was to buy in the store, and I intend to get GW:EN in a box for the sake of pretty booklets and such.
I have 14 character slots- I really don't need more. Right now I'm disappointed because character slots I won't be using seem to be the only way of getting me the bonus pack.
Another thing I am also seriously disappointed about is the pricing. Does ANet use really bad mathematicians, or do you rip off Europe (Great Britain included) on purpose? Let me show what I mean.
The pricing on the site said $29 USD (€26/£17). Working at the airport, I know for a fact that the US dollar hasn't been worth anywhere near that much since 9/11, so I looked it up and did the math (today's exchange rate used).
$29 USD = €19,83 / £12,58 (i.e. 1,46 USD = 1 EUR, 2,31 USD = 1 GBP)
As you can see, that's not what the site says by a long shot. Using the figures above, let's see what Europeans actually are made to pay...
€26 = $38,02 USD
£17 = $39,19 USD
So we pay a whooping $10 USD more than Americans do. Why?
Before anyone asks- I know the games themselves have cost more in Europe as well. I have absolutely no issues paying for a game, and I know that shipping to Europe costs a bit more than shipping throughout the States- thus explaining why Europeans pay a bit more for their boxed content. It's a great game, so I can live with that.
When it comes to online content, though, I can't. There is no shipping fee as an excuse, so the term ripoff is really the only one to spring to mind. I know that the pricing for everything else in the online store is similarly messed up, it's just that the exclusive bonus content gives a really bitter aftertaste. I've always been fairly impressed with the way ANet tries to make their fans happy, but this reeks of disappointment. I'd really like to know the motive for this pricing issue, but unless I get a really good explanation... shame on you, ANet. Shame on you. -- Elveh 13:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe Eye of the North will be released in the online store. The bonus pack is probably an incentive to to purchase the expansion through the online store instead of via local retailers. I see no problem with that. The currency issue I don't have a comment on. — RabiesTurtle 15:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
It's an issue for everyone who likes to buy a box with booklets and such, such as myself. I really don't mind buying the bonus content from the online store and pay 20 euros for it (they can keep the character slots or whatever I'd get for the cash, I just want the missions), but I find it outrageous that I have to pay more than an American player does, and that I might have to miss out on the fun of opening the box and leafing through the booklets. -- Elveh 16:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I have read your comments, but want to let you know that as far as I know, the pricing is set by the sales and marketing teams for both the US and Europe. As I understand it, our publisher, NCsoft Europe, is the one who determines pricing for products offered through or for Europe or European players. I do understand your math; I did the computation myself, in fact, since I think in £ quite often myself. :) It is true that the "exchange rate" used in the pricing is somewhat different than what I see as actual currency exchange rates. I'm sorry that I don't know why that is. I do wonder if the £17 is based on the comparative costs of individual items in the in-game store, and that is how one arrives at that figure. I will pass along your concerns on pricing to the sales and marketing team, including those at NCsoft Europe and the US. You are welcome to make your thoughts known via a Support ticket, too, which will be passed along to the proper team member.
If you have read any of the forum threads in which I have been involved over the last couple of days -- and it's pretty hard to miss them ;) -- you'll know that there are currently no plans to offer alternatives for the acquisition of the Bonus Mission Pack. It is a bonus intended for the in-game store. I have discussed this with sales and marketing and have let them know that players would very much like an alternative opportunity to purchase this through the in-game store. However, at this time, there's nothing to relay about any possible future options of this sort, with regret. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the response, Gaile, it's much appreciated. I've not seen much of the forums yet as I've been away for a few days, but I'll be sure to check them out. If worst comes to the worst, I'll just add 3 more character slots to the 14 my account already has so I can play the bonus stuff. I don't mind paying, it's just the rates that bother me. Thank you for responding. :) -- Elveh 17:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, no, Elveh, I wasn't actually referring you to the forums, just referencing them in case you'd read them and were asking about any updates to that info... which at this point isn't much on the subject of a future purchase option, I'm afraid.
Thanks for your comments, and for your courtesy! --Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's wrong players that don't need anything from the store are forced to buy something they don't need/want in order to gain access to the extra missions. I'm like Elveh, the store has (at the moment) nothing to offer to me, and I'm forced to buy something if I want access to the new missions. Not that I mind paying for the bonus missions, in contrary, I will buy new character slots just to be able to get the bonus missions. I just think it's wrong the way it's being done for people that bought the boxed games from a retailer or the plaync store, or already bought extra character slots and are left with nothing else but to buy something they don't really need. Why not offer the bonus-pack for 26€ or even a few euros more, that way people that bought something in the shop get a "discount" on the final price of the bonus pack, people that only want the bonus pack pay a little bit more. 18:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
While I agree on the point that it's sort of a silly to only offer it the way they currently are, that would be even more stupid to offer it on its own for the exact same price or more than what you have to spend in order to get it as it stands. Even if you don't really think you'd need character slots, getting 3 of them and the missions would still be better than just the missions. Capcom 19:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I haven't had the need for extra character slots ever since I started playing guildwars the day it was released. With GWEN being "just an expansion", I don't see myself in the need of any additional character slots - but that's just my case. The Bonus Pack, as I understand, is supposed to be a 'gift' to the people that use the online shop. Since everyone is happy about new content being added, lots of people that want the Bonus Pack will be forced to spend money on something they do not really need and that's where I'm scratching my head. But I think this is the wrong place really to discuss this in depth. 19:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

(reset indent) If you simply buy GWEN from the online store, then you have the purchase you need to get the bonus missions. Capcom also had a valid point that you might as well get bonus pack + 3 slots instead of just the bonus pack if you are going to buy it anyway for the same price. I do understand that some people want the jewel boxes and reading materials but you also need to look at it from ANet's side. They have to produce, ship, and sale the boxes at wholesale which lowers their income. They can also sell GWEN through the online store which is nearly a straight profit. Makes sense why they would encourage the second option doesn't it? — RabiesTurtle 20:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Considering that GW:EN won't have a CE, I was planning on getting it through the online store myself to spend the amount required to get the bonus pack, until I discovered that there will be a pre-order kit for it. If the pre-order kit were also available through the store (for buying GW:EN through the store early), or contained the bonus missions, this would solve the issue of having to decide between the two. — 04:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure it's been carefully debated at ANet, and it has been largely debated on forums. The point is that they want to encourage people to switch to online buying, because ultimately, it's better for ANet AND for players. If you buy the box at a game store, you pay for packaging, display, and store employees. If you buy online, ANet gets a larger share of the profits (and yes, companies need to make profit to survive), which means that they have more resources to spend on making more games. If more people switch to online shopping and they use a portion of the profits to hire more people, then we all profit. But you can still buy the box version if you want.
Oh, and I heard that the pre-order will be available online as well. Alaris 14:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
True but you can buy items on amazon etc for about half the price of the online store, it would be nice if they added some more things to purchase. Storage expansion maybe, something like that would not affect the playability of the game for people who don't want to purchase. --Lemming64 16:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Personally i wouldn't mind if GW:EN would come into the online store right now (including the pre-release package). Most other stores who already offer a pre-order already have a price set for it so then it is easier to see the differences in pricing. To be honest i think that GW:EN will cost exactly the same amount as what is needed to unlock the mission bonus pack. Things like storage expansion and suchs would be quite nice actually. I am in the same situation as quite a lot of the GW players. I have all the campaigns and also unlocked everything there is for PvP. At the moment i have 12 character slots and that exactly fits my needs (1 for each primary profession, 1 in pre-searing and 1 for PvP). There is simply nothing the online store has to offer me except for maybe GW:EN. Even though i am a big fan of having boxes i might actually buy it in the online store just to get the bonus mission pack. It is either that or buying 3 character slots (which won't be used most likely). I really hope there will be a way to purchase the bonus mission pack without buying things you don't need. - 12:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
As has already been stated, most players will want to purchase a retail boxed unit for the book etc etc and personally I have bought way too many character slots already, so I guess no freebie for me, and many like me! Should perhaps be a code in the retail game? ₪₪ JOSəPH ₪₪ 21:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I am probably the only person who will say this...but i feel that any extra content is worth the $30, even if I dont get the game off of the site. I will still be getting GW:EN in a box, but i still spent money(on pvp skills for some reason...not much of a pvper...but i like unlocks for heros,as well as GotY) in the store for it. If it cost $30...i, and most likely a quiet majority of your dedicated player base, would probably pay it. If i had all pvp sets, then i would buy 3 char slots that i would not use, i cant seem to pve as anything other than a warrior "Why are in mele range necro??!!". I am looking forward to this content, wouldn't miss it for the world, and I hope that still more bonus packs come out in the future. I should stop rambling on now:)Killer Revan 00:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Player Polls: Payment Particulars

We are working hard to expand the opportunity for players to make purchases through our Guild Wars Official (in-game) Store. This seems to be an issue particularly for European players. We have been discussing an option that players have told me might be helpful for using the in-game store: the addition of the PayPal option.

I'd like to solicit your input in two player polls that we are running right now. On Guild Wars Guru we ask one set of questions, and then modify them slightly for the second poll, on GWOnline Please share your thoughts with a vote and/or comment. You need not vote in both polls, but your input in one or the other would be very useful. Thank you! --Gaile User gaile 2.png 00:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

It’s been almost THREE month (thats quarter of a YEAR) since this was written by Gaile. WHERE are the alternate payment options? Judging the official word we got since then it looks like “out of sight out of mind” eh? So Gaile, where is the SMS payment option? The direct debit option? The Bank withdrawal option? The possibility to use German EC cards with Maestro functionality like the UK which are accepted at the store? Where is it all? ~Garbaron~ ; 27 September 2007

IVR for German GW players? That’s your answer? Did you even listen to your German community? There have been numerous polls and discussions and “direct debit” and “bank withdrawal” where the clear favourites!! SMS payment and billing via phone bill where the LEAST desired options (ask Martin Kerstein he SHOULD know)! Besides, what do Swiss and Austria GW players do? They are still stuck to cc since the IVR is Germany ONLY! Good God ANet wake up! You have literarily thousands of GW players who WANT to give you money via the store but don’t have a cc and you are too stupid to jump your shadow and invest time and money by implementing the above given options, which ARE standard in Germany and parts of the EU. Just go to or any other online shop and you’ll see. Besides if players learn that the phone bill will shoot up due to exclusive phone numbers (12c/minute; 0190 pre fix) used by the IVR you’ll have your next uproar at your hands. If Anet REALLY wants to use the in game store as content distribution platform you’ll HAVE to augment the payment options so that most of your customers can use it without any cost booby traps like over taxed phone numbers (which I am positive the IVR will have)! Regards ~Garbaron~ ; 29 September 2007

Four missions?

This article states that "The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack consists of four missions...". However, are we sure it's four missions? The official announcement states that the Mission Pack will allow us to play in "four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history", and, at least as far as I know, it does not state we will do that through exactly four missions. Who knows, it could be 3 missions and a small quest string for the Gwen content, or anything else. Has the "four missions" thing been stated officially somewhere? If not, I think we could change the statement above. Erasculio 13:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is four missions. I have written an FAQ for the Bonus Mission Pack and I anticipate posting that on the website in the next few days. In it, it's very clearly stated these are missions, comparable in length to the missions in the game. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 15:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I see (that FAQ is going to be very useful). Thanks for the reply : ) Erasculio 15:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Just a question, the length of what missions? because a mission like Bloodstone Fen takes a whole lot longer then a mission like abbadon's gate

Content list of GW:EN retail package

moved to Talk:Guild Wars Eye of the North

When to buy

So we got until October 31st to buy it?--§ Eloc § 20:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

That is correct. Sales and Marketing teams have stated that the BMP promotion will be offered for purchases made in the in-game or PlayNC store until October 31st. And of course purchases are cumulative, so you need not spend the required amount all at once. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 15:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Wait, I've bought stuff in the sotre before. Well, only the GotY Edition of Prophecies Upgrade, but still, does that count towards the Bonus Pack?--§ Eloc § 01:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a period of eligibility. This means that you need to meet the USD (Pound, Euro) amount between July 5 and October 31, 2007. If you made your purchase in that period, that amount will be credited towards the total needed to quality for the BMP. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh ok, I bought the Upgrade before July 5th...well, time to save up some money and buy a PvP Edition I suppose.--§ Eloc § 02:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: PlayNC Store

According to the mission pack article here, it says that I can "purchase and activate any product worth $29 USD (€26/£17) through the PlayNC online store" in order to unlock the pack when it becomes available, but according to this post you made some time ago, "purchases made directly through the PlayNC site do not count" towards the $29 USD prerequisite.

I apologize in advance if this has been answered multiple times already (which is likely) but I'm confused as to the exact requirements for getting the Bonus Mission Pack (which I would love to get!), and would really appreciate any light you could shed on the matter. Thanks! :) --SZK 18:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. I have edited the post to show that purchases in both the In-Game and PlayNC Stores will count towards the Bonus Mission Pack. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 18:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
No problem! And thanks again for the clarification. :) --SZK 19:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


So here's my guess, you access these through the reflecting/divination pool thing in the eye of the north. whaddya think? --Vhalantru 17:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it, the pack isn't supposed to require any specific campaign or expansion. I suspect there's going to be an NPC in Lion's Arch, Kaineng Center and Kamadan. -- Gordon Ecker 19:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Purchased Gwen Preorder + Gwen

Okay so i bought Gwen + the preorder ingame so that i could get the bonus... but it doesnt work out to be enough. So for those who already had all 3 chapters, made the sacrifice to buy online instead of get a box with contents, we still have to go out and buy a character slot or wait for merc to be available in the US store. EVENTHOUGH gaile said

or a straightforward purchase of GW:EN, will get you the bonus. --Gaile 18:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

as you an see the below purchase does not equate to £26 Qty. Description: Price: 1 Eye of the North £24.99

26 EUROS. The amount in pounds needed is 17. It covers it plenty. Capcom 06:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
then feel free to disregard everything.... *still doesnt like having to pay in euro/pound when he is in australia and plays for america*
May seem like an obvious question, but I've been unable to find a straight forward answer. Does the GW:EN bonus pack count towards the required amount? I never actually bought Eye of the North from the online store, just the bonus pack, and wanted to make sure that counts.

Acquiring the Mission Pack

I have spent the needed amount in the online store, when the mission pack is released will it be added to my account automatically? or will I need to do something? The reason I ask is I will be unable to access GW for quite a while around the release so I need to know if I'll have to get someone else to activate it or if it will be automatic -- 18:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

What they tell us is that the mission pack is added automatically to your account, and it's a permanent addition. So no worries... just keep the proof that you bought stuff online in case of a problem. Alaris 18:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Can we use currencies other than EUpouds???

Right now its seems the only currency i can pay in is the EU pound... I'd much rather pay 29 in USD than 26 in EURO(26 EUROs = 40 USD o.O). Is there any way this can be done?Esp given that GWEN costs 24 in euros at play nc ( not enuf for the bonus mission ) while it costs $40 USD at Amazon. Assuming that Amazon's prices accurately represent prices that the NC store should be charging, its much easier to get the bonus mission with USD. Does any1 else have the same problem as me?!?!?--WikiWu 09:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

hang on does play NC store use the sterling pound O_O'? And if it is why the hell is GWEN selling for 17 pounds elsewhere? And yes i just read Elveh's post. Im from Australia, should that mean that my only choice of currency is european? Well in any case, the choice of currency of payment would be nice. Thanks --WikiWu 09:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
The reason that GW:EN sells for 17 pounds elsewhere is that the Official Store sells at the Recommended Retail Price of £24.99 - although most decent shops are selling GW:EN for £17.99, some of the 'high street' shops are still selling it at RRP and NCSoft don't want to undercut their retailers for obvious reasons. Still, imho £24.99 for GW:EN plus mission pack is a better deal than £17.99 for GW:EN alone. Cynical 09:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


SMS payment will be sooner then date end of geting Mission Pack? User Wrzosek Logo.png Wrzosek 10:11, 19.09.2007 (GMT+1)
Yes, I'd like to know when it comes out as well, because I don't want to miss out due their slowness on adding alternative payment options =/ - User Karuro Icon.png Karuro 20:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone could answer as form anet? :P User Wrzosek Logo.png Wrzosek 06:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

see, they didnt do it in time. all people willing to buy, without an credit card are f***** now because there is no IVR within time. i cant understand a-net this time, they dont need money eh?


um question would we use our norm chars cus in pic looks like the ppl in that area? maby we will get those disguse spells, like the gandara mission in elona.

I think the Asura Gates will probably have something to do with it. Either by transporting your character back in time or by putting you into a 'magical recreation' of the events. Whatever way Anet use to explain it, it seems likely that it will be our actual characters because of two reasons:
  • Guild Wars has never had us playing as anyone other than our character - no obvious reason why they'd start now
  • It says you can earn 'unique rewards' (probably more green weapons) which you would need to be your own character to collect.
-- Cynical 09:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
It says somewhere that you get to play as Gwen, Master Togo, whoever beat Palawa Joko, and the leader of the White Mantle. "GW has bever had us playing as anyone other than our character", I agree, and there's no obvious reason why they *wouldn't* start now, seeing that this is a bonus pack anyway. And there are many ways you can earn unique rewards outside of being your own character. It can drop in your inventory, stuff you collect as "whoever" you might keep, or it may be a quest reward for completing the quest. Alaris 15:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
It says so in the Guild Wars edition of PCGamer. Master Togo for the Tengu Wars, Turai Ossa for the Battle of Jahai, Saul D'Alessio for the Rise of the Mantle, and Gwen for her story. --Valentein 18:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Valentein is correct. Each of the four missions tells the story of a specific character in Guild Wars history. You get to play as Master Togo, Turai Ossa, Saul D'Alessio, and Gwen. Bobby Stein 08:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Unno questio.

What are thos unique items that you can get in this bonus pack? User:Demon Of Holy Fire

Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

I know this question was asked before, hopefully it will be answerable now. Will the Bonus Mission Pack be available as a regular purchase through the online store after the promotion is over? -- Gordon Ecker 00:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

i thought they had already answered this and said it wouldnt be? I might be wrong, but wasnt it said over and over again that buying stuff from the shop would be the only way to get the bonus pack??? -- Salome 02:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Here's the quote from Talk:Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack:
"I don't know about future offerings of this pack, I'm sorry to say."
That was about two and a half months ago. -- Gordon Ecker 02:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I have no new information about the sale of the BMP. I have relayed that many players would like us to offer this product as a downloadable purchase through the in-game store, but so far the decision has not been made. I will, I promise, let you know when and if I have more information, as I'm aware that players are keenly interested in this subject. Thank you for your patience. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

So hi, I bought each campaign pretty much as they came out, and I've been a fan for two years. I bought GWEN the day of release, and even pre-ordered it. I wouldn't take any decision back; it's been a great source of fun and I'm sure it will be. But this is the first offer I don't agree with. So because I was *interested* more than everyone else... and thus I did not spend 30+ dollars, because I bought it on the day of release... yes, that means I won't be getting the four missions, which sound pretty damn cool. (I'm dying to see the searing, no pun intended) So I guess what I'm saying is that we should be able to purchase it cheaply, or get it free if we already bought GWEN. ;) Vael Victus 00:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Asking them to offer it for free will be unfair to those who bought GWEN online with the aim of also getting the bonus mission pack by sacrificing the box. So making it available for purchase separately and at a later date (after those of us who gets it as a bonus have played) is fine; for free, not fine. -- sig 01:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
As would be unfair to those who us who actually met the requirements of the original offer if they offered it for free. I'd say a minimum of $10 for an online store price...well after January. Personally I'd rather see them stick to only the original offer...but I'm sure they won't...too many people complaining about not having stuff to buy or not being able to get a credit card.--Thor79User-thor79.pngTalk 11:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Offer us something else to by from the online store. I Don't need more character slots, have all the campaigns and don't want pvp unlock packs. So what am I supposed to buy to get the Bonus mission pack that I do want. Maybe you can offer some special weapon packs, something with unique skins. Or perhaps some packs with the new boost items like Powerstone of Courage and Grail of Might.Lithane 16:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
While yes they should offer more stuff, and I'm sure they are trying to get more stuff in there, the promotion was conveniently designed to take advantage of the release of GW:EN. If you chose to get a box at a retailer instead of buying it online and getting the bonus mission pack, that's your problem not Anet's. IMO. --Thor79User-thor79.pngTalk 17:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I was not trying to dig at Anet at all, and apologise if thats how it sounded, I was just giving ideas on possible solutions to make everyone happy. As if that could ever happen ;) I agree, giving it away for free would be unfair as well. Plus I was trying to pull a fast one to get more weapons, I always need more weapons ;) Lithane 18:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

From marketing point of view you WONT get ANY response to the question if the BMP will be available as a in game store (IGS) purchase later on before the BMP offer has expired! Which in turn is logical since ANet wants ppl to buy overprized GWEN at the in game store or waste their hard earned money on unneeded character slots, just to match the BMP requirements. Its really that simple. I guess some time after the offer has run its course BMP will be available at the IGS. Too bad Gaile can’t simply say “IGS sale of BMP wont be a topic until the offer has expired!”. Telling the truth up front sometimes hurts and disappoints but it is 100% more honest then beating round the bush for month and avoiding the subject with PR talk. Besides I really favour a later release because by then we WILL know if the 4 missions are worth their prize! Since right now everyone participating in the BMP offer is buying the proverbial “cat in the sack”. Regards ~Garbaron~ ; 29 September 2007.

But I have said exactly that. Please do your homework before you make negative comments. If you did, you would learn that I have said we will not even had word on this until later in the year, after the BMP has been released, and in fact, we may not have word on this until after the start of the new year. Please, keep inaccurate accusation, dev-bashing, and general negativity off my personal discussion page. --Gaile User gaile 2.png 16:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Should the bonus mission pack become aquireable via means other than the current offer I can guarantee it will NOT be a popular move and you will lose many of the most loyal fans, ie; the ones who didn't want to risk missing out so they fulfilled the condition instead of waiting for a more convenient method. I personally bought GW:EN both online and from the store so I have a useless key here simply so I could get the box and the bonus missions. My choice, sure, but you made me choose. If this pack becomes accessable via any other means after we were given the impression and lead to beleive, do not deny it, that this was a limited offer for this time only then not only will I never buy another A-Net product again but I will make tell everyone I know how poorly recent decisions were made. Accuse me of innacurate accusation fine, but I'm just letting you know how I feel about this, player feedback is important even if negative and I feel this matter has had a lot of feedback of this kind to consider. 16:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
At the time, official word was indeed that there was no plan on making the missions available in any other ways than via the promotion. That being said, I do have 2 things to say: (1) if ANet changes their mind about this, sure it will upset some, but some others will be happy about it. Whether the net effect is good or bad, only marketing knows. (2) Since you're sitting on an *unused key*, you could sell it yet keep the box. Even if you sell it at a slight discount, you're still getting the best of both worlds. Just an idea. I do believe it's legal to sell *unused* keys. Alaris 16:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with To me, it's all about faith in a company and their reliability when providing a promotion. Sure, there are other products you can purchase to get this pack, but it is essentially "But GWEN online, save us the money of packaging, give up your instruction booklet/map, and we'll give you a few extra missions!". I agreed to the terms of their deal, and I purchased the Bonus Mission Pack via my actions while others willfully did not. Honestly, if they give this pack to a single soul who didn't meet the requirements, I demand that they physically ship me a retail package for GWEN. --Mystisteel 18:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think ANYONE is suggesting that they give away the bonus mission pack for free, I don't see why there wouldd be anything wrong wrong with with them selling the bonus mission pack as an actual product in the online store. Anyone who met the promotion requirements is getting a significant discount buy "buying" the bonus mission pack along with the products they bought in the online store, they're saving money equal to whatever the bonus mission pack will end up costing as a regular purchase. And what about all the people who can't use the online store due to the limited alternate payment options? -- Gordon Ecker 00:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
"Limited alternative payment options"? They take credit cards. In geographies where this game is prevelent (Korea, United States, and Europe) an eight year old can buy a pre-charged card at the local convenience store. I teach, and I can't remember the last kid to not have a debit card (middle school - aged 11-13!) Payment options are not a good excuse. The fact is, this was a promotion, and some folks chose not to buy GW:EN online. Again, if their intention is to offer it for release (in any way, even as a direct purchase) I demand a physical retail box mailed to me. The only reason I purchased GW:EN online was for this pack, and I would think many did. There's just no excuse, really. I can't complain I didn't get a glacial blade, because I chose not to pre-order GW:EN, and I can't complain about not having Coke items because I don't live in Korea! If they change the terms of the deal, I'd like what I lost by that change - a full, physical, boxed set, just like the folks who opted out. --Mystisteel 17:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a huge difference between actual playable content and some bonus item with crappy stats. And if using the current payment options is so easy, why is the German player community complaining about them? -- Gordon Ecker 00:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Germany is the European exception, and certainly not the rule. There are plenty of credit cards to go around in Germany (even Microsoft markets a 2% credit card for gamers in Germany), it's just that cultural differences in Germany make credits cards less prevelant. An adult in Germany can certainly obtain a credit card quite easily, and if a child cannot use credit funds then, thankfully, that's a parental decision that I truly miss in the United States. You're right, though, this is about content and not about a bonus item, which is why I made the smart decision to buy GW:EN online. I would think anyone concerned enough about bonus content would be the same type to buy GW:EN within its first 2 months of launch, and those same gamers would also be just as concerned about meeting the criteria. Why didn't some do that? Maybe they wanted the box from the store (a very good reason), maybe they thought ANet would be flexible after the fact (not a very good reason), or maybe their parents aren't trusting enough to allow their kids to use their credit cards (kudos to the parents - they should have a limiting factor in their children's play time). Not buying on-line was a choice (either by the gamer, or in the case of a child, the gamer's parents). Making it directly purchasable from the on-line store will not change that fact, and only make many folks lose faith in future promotions by NCSoft/ANet.--Mystisteel 02:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Why would it make people lose faith in future promotions? It's a buy X, get Y free promotion. They never said it would be the only way to get the bonus missions. -- Gordon Ecker 02:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
"The Bonus Mission Pack will release in November. This promotion is non-transferable and is limited to one per account. The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store." - Emphasis mine. --Mystisteel 02:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Which, as Gaile has stated clearly indicated, means that accounts which almost meet the requirements for the promotion will not get a free bonus mission pack because they did not fulfill all the requirements of the promotion. It does not exclude the possibility of the bonus mission pack being available outside of the promotion, if it did, Gaile would have said so when she was asked the question months ago instead of saying that she can't provide an answer yet. -- Gordon Ecker 05:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
What? Reference, please? Gaile has done her best to relay messages back and forth between the players and the folks that actually make decisions, but has most certainly not changed the working of the criteria for the Bonus Mission Pack (other than changes officially made by the company in regards to where the products were purchased (PlayNC or the in-game store, which was debatable at first). This quote, two lines up, regarding the exact criteria for the Pack, is official, and nothing else has come from ANET regarding any other criteria. Gaile saying "that's a neat idea, I'll pass it on" is not an official policy change for the company nor does it signify a change in an exclusive, one time, pomotion. --Mystisteel 20:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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Here's one of the relevant quotes: "I don't know about future offerings of this pack, I'm sorry to say. I do know that what you buy is tracked on the PlayNC store page, now, and that the purchases do not all need to be made at once. :) --Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)". In other words, "The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store" only refers to the bonus mission pack's availibility through the promotion, it does not rule out the possibility of availibility outside of the promotion. I've replaced "stated" with "clearly indicated", since I couldn't find any eexplicit statements. -- Gordon Ecker 03:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
You cited Gaile (Good!) but then went on and put in a bunch of text from your own opinion, which has no bearing on what Gaile said, has no bearing on official policy from ANET, and is essentially just want to you want hear (Bad). Thankfully, the indent is reset, so I'll go ahead and respond with the latest from ANET regarding obtaining the Bonus Mission Back,

"The Bonus Mission Pack will release in November. This promotion is non-transferable and is limited to one per account. The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store."

I'm a little concerned that this could be taken in any other way by a literate person, so I'm not sure where you're going with your guesses. For further reference, here's the offical Guild Wars page regarding this one-time promotion: Bonus Mission Pack at Offical Guild Wars site. Even Gaile has edited the wiki page, mentioning nothing about what you're talking about about, and only clarifying that items bought at PlayNC but activated in game are valid in this one-time promotion. Here's a diff of every contribution that Gaile has made to this article: Gaile's changes to this article. Nothing in this talk page points to changes to the one-time promotion, although for some reason you're implying they do. (They don't)

One...Time...Promotion. --Mystisteel 14:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Why can't everyone just chill and be patient. Wait untill it is released, instead of disecting every comment. There are likley answers you seak that have not been answered yet. Be Patient, wait and see. Med Luvin 16:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

In response to Mystisteel: "In geographies where this game is prevelent (Korea, United States, and Europe) an eight year old can buy a pre-charged card at the local convenience store. I teach, and I can't remember the last kid to not have a debit card (middle school - aged 11-13!) Payment options are not a good excuse. The fact is, this was a promotion, and some folks chose not to buy GW:EN online." Some of the things you are saying are just plain bullshit and since you obviously don't understand why let me clear that up for you. First off, I LIVE in Europe and no I cannot go to a local store and get a pre-charged card no matter WHAT my age. Secondly, yes every 12 yr-old and older here has a debit card, but they ARE NOT ACCEPTED in the online store! Thirdly the fact that creditcards are not widely used here unlike in most places in the world doesn't mean we should be forced to use one. They DO cost money, in case you overlooked that fact, and they are not exactly widely accepted in stores where I live, so getting one would mean I would be getting it just for this game. Now I'm not going to go into a full-blown discussion on security issues here, but there are far securer ways of payment available like paypal. Still, even assuming the person in question does have a creditcard, there is still the small matter of the store itself having multiple issues that prevent you from actually buy anything. Among these are: you get a fraude message if you don't currently live in the country your creditcard is from (a friend of mine personally experienced this), sometimes your transaction may fail and you get a message telling you to simply try again (but unbeknownst to you the attempt DID bill your cc even though you didn't get the product) or even the simple fraude message that pops up if you try to use a single creditcard for multiple accounts. So what if you have a household where 2 people play gw and they use the same creditcard? Things like that are ridiculous and so you can't really blame the community for having little faith in the current payment system. Now to straighten things out, I do have a creditcard, as I was fortunate enough to be able to get one cheaply and I was also fortunate enough to not have pre-ordered gwen from retail before the exact terms of this promotion became known. But still I felt I should clear this up for all those people who: do not have access to a creditcard, have a creditcard that is billed as fraudulent for whatever reason, were unaware of this promotion til after they already preordered a copy, purchased any stuff they wanted from the online store before this promotion went into effect or were otherwise duped by the whole payment system. Thank you Liselle Morrow 09:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

One of the many concerns about the Bonus Mission Pack is whether this offer is is only available now and people who don't meet the conditions now will miss out, or if it is going to become available via some other means later on. This has been intentially left vague, with the wording which gives the reader an impression of buy now or miss out, and so far that it what has been said. Gaile has said since, "I don't know about future offerings of this pack, I'm sorry to say." This can go two ways, there are no future offerings, or it will be sold in the store - It does not clearly identify whether you will be able to obtain the pack now only, or via some other means in the future. Many people might not understand why this is a concern for some people but it's quite simple. This offer has an appeal to people as a limited time offer - atm the only sure way to obtain this feature of the game is to spend the money and satisfy the condition. No other known way exhists, and it is not known if it will be available via some other means in the future. People who want this pack and don't want to risk missing out will have to satisfy the condition set now, which would be fair if this was truly a limited offer. If the pack was then sold for say $10 on the online store, these people would have essentially been mislead to beleive they had to obtain it as is, as the only means to obtain it, with no definite statement to think otherwise. Many people are buying PvP packs they don't need, or extra characters slots they didn't want just for this, but had it become available later on for money people would perhaps wait for that instead and buy it then. This problem is that you need to gamble with the decision. I know many people have said "stop thinking the worst" or "don't be so negative", but this is a standard approach many people take to a commercial buying decision.
I want anyone who is going to reply to this to think about what I say next very carefully. People are concerned because no definite statement has been given saying this will be the only means to obtain it. Gaile has said she is unaware of future plans and has additionally not asked about future plans. This area, either through unfortunate accident (the cynics among us won't beleive this) or intentionally has been left unanswered. By not saying they won't offer it via some other method, and assuming they purposely avoid clarification of this point, it shows at the very least they are considering offering it via some other method and at worst, do intend to offer it via some other method but want to milk the "risk of missing out" on buyers as much as possible. If I am offered a couch on sale today and there is only one left, but am told it might not be on sale tomorrow or sold out, this adds pressure on me as a buyer to buy it today because if I don't I will miss out or pay more. If I find out the next day the couch is on sale every day and there are 50 in stock, the pressure was an illusion or marketing ploy to get me to buy it today and borders on unethical practice. Some people are justly concerned this, or something similar is what is happening with the BMP and all it would take is a simple "No it will not be offered via other offers" or "yes it will be offered via other means" to put them at ease. Dancing Gnome 15:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Thousands of words later--despite arguments, protestations, an over-use of bolds and italics ;), and an implication of some sort of entitlement to knowledge that is not yet public--an announcement about any future offering of the BMP has not been made and according to those involved with this promotion, it will not be made in the coming week. The BMP is a marketing promotion, and the Marketing Team has nothing further to say on the subject at this time. I am sorry, and I do understand what and why you are asking, but there is nothing to tell you.
By the way, let's be clear: I am not PR. I am not Marketing. I am Community Relations. Having said that, there is nothing to say at present from PR, Marketing, or Community Relations on this subject. I give you my personal regrets that I am not able to provide further information, but I cannot provide info until I am told about future Marketing plans, and I don't know any such details yet. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 03:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Gaile, do you ever wonder if we have jobs???? or Lives????? or why we care so much????? b/c i do.....alot....... 03:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Buy Bonus Mission Pack direct?

I have already unlocked everything on pvp, so why waste £23.99 on something i dont need (pvp edition) just to be able to claim the bonus mission pack, there should be a way you can pay directly for the bonus mission back... just makes things complicated otherwise. Blah Your Hamster 20:19, 14 October 2007 (CEST)

You could by additional slots, could've/could buy GW:EN, and some other things. PvP edition isn't the only option, epsciall for a UAS person. Calor - talk 19:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
So, I've got those 36 slots and four campaigns, now finally having decided to buy one of those PvP Unlock Packs for meeting the BMP requirements... only to learn that these are no longer available for purchase. Err, so, dear developers, how may I possibly make you richer - for some BMP-flavoured candy - under these circumstances? -Dantana User_talk:Dantana 15:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
You have 36 character slots? If so, then you've been purchasing from the online store and own GW:EN, so why didn't you purchase GW:EN from the store and meet the requirements? (also, it's nice to know that you're from Germany. Some folks on this page would have us believe it's completely impossible complete this promotion from that country). --Mystisteel 21:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
They were... part of a theoretical speculation, an assumption, actually, those 25 slots I do lack. I'm not a millionaire, no, unfortunately not (...).
I personally - as many others - prefer boxed games; but let's assume for an instance that I did not learn about the promotion - perhaps due to not playing, not reading the official website and not paying visits to fan forums and the like - prior to buying GW:EN the moment I spotted it by mere accident shelved in a store on 31 August. A problem - no candy yet! - unsolved still. Even one of the old and impractical PvP-Packs would suffice - for said theoretical yet potential customer that already owns everything, of course.
(It IS true that a credit card and the eligible likes are a rare commodity in these parts. Most people - if at all - tend to use either a [1] or [2], a german [3], both of which are, as far as I know, not eligible, to do their billings. Hope that leads to a greater understanding of the dilemma some german players are in, who might not exaggerate their very problem at all. [Perhaps.] But impossible to meet the requirements? No. There is always some relative, acquaintance, acquaintance's relative or relative's acquaintance who has a credit card he/she/it might lend to a desperate gamer.) -Dantana User_talk:Dantana 17:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh my gosh, Dantana, I don't know what to say! Darn the time span that is required to get alternative purchase methods in place! The team who is working on this is trying very hard, but it is taking more time than we initially thought! And darn the time span that is required to offer more items in the in-game store, too. :( I am very sorry that this has happened in this order. And the thing is, I know we will not be offering new items in the store until after the promotion ends. I hope that this will work out, but right now I do not have a recommendation, with my regrets. :( -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind answer, Gaile.
But oh well, oh well. Nothing can be done now, so, can it? Waiting and hoping for a future opportunity shall be it then, for our theoretical 'owns-it-all-already' player.
Perhaps you at ArenaNet could extend the promotion - up until both new payment options and offers are available - or hold it, maybe with different conditions, sometime later. As long as the Bonus Missions are not be lost for an eternity for the customers that could not meet the requirements this time - such as said player, those who are patient will be satisfied; won't we? -Dantana User_talk:Dantana 11:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I have asked about the possibility of extending the promotion, and that is not possible. The marketing team is going to figure out an alternative of some sort so that all players can obtain the BMP if they so desire. Unfortunately, due to the challenges and the scale of putting together any sort of promotion (multiple websites, several teams, different regional laws, etc) it will take a while for this to happen. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again, for clarification, Gaile, even on Saturday!
I, personally, appreciate the work of your team; to me it seems as if many a customer fails to comprehend, and thus ignores, the complexity of it, a shame. Not so the 'owns-everything-already'-player and me, 'we' will be eagerly awaiting our next chance to earn the right to enjoy the BMP. -Dantana User_talk:Dantana 18:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

"I have relayed that many players would like us to offer this product as a downloadable purchase through the in-game store, but so far the decision has not been made." How would this (offering content for sale stand-alone and not as part of a campaign/expansion) effect the GW original business model of no hidden fees? "There is no a subscription fee of any kind, anywhere in the world and there are no hidden fees. You do not have to pay for the streaming updates that will take place on a regular basis, nor for additional content that we will provide between the chapters of Guild Wars." How is the BMP not considered playable "content"?

Sure, it's content. But don't complain that it's a hidden fee, they've made it perfectly clear from the beginning and on every page about it exactly what you have to do to get the BMP. Ahri 18:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

BMP Verification

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

I'm pretty happy about a Dev Update that I just posted, concerning players' ability to check on whether they have qualified for the Bonus Mission Pack. It's something players request, and the team stepped up to make it happen. *proud* See the newest Dev Update for the skinny. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I want to poke it.... but I'm death-leveling a strider and it'll take around four hours to finish >.< Ah well, something for the morning... Armond 08:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't get the verification, but I bought Gw:en and 3 character slots in the time
Gaile said it might take a few hours, so don't worry yet. Haven't showed up for me either, but I'll wait till the evening before getting worried. -- Gem (gem / talk) 11:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Correct. I showed up immediately for some, and a few hours later for others, due to the size of the database. All should be in order now; let Support know if they need to assist you. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I sure hope ArenaNet will make the BMP in a retail version... MarioDX 15:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I know the marketing team is looking at other options. I doubt that what was developed as a purely-digital product can be made into a retail product. However, perhaps other means of acquisition will be sorted out. No word on anything just yet, but I will keep hoping! -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Are all the BMP verifications done now because I purchased both the Pre-order and GW:EN from the online store and my account doesn't say it has permissions yet. Lyra ValoUser Lyra Valo LVsig.jpg 10:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I just heard from the programmer who built the verification script, and he tells me that there was a glitch with some of the account information. It's not permanent, don't worry! :) But what that means is that a number of other positive verifications will be showing up tomorrow. So if you do not see that you have qualified, and you're quite confident that you have met all the criteria, please wait until Tuesday (say no earlier than 6:00 AM Pacific; 13:00 GMT) to send a report to Support. More players who have qualified for the BMP will see their verification tomorrow, after this issue is resolved. (And no data will be lost.) Thanks for your patience. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I have expanded the Dev Update to provide more details on the verification system. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

BMP Tracking Info

I just posted a Dev Update about your ability to track purchases that qualify for the BMP. If you'd like to read the update, please follow the link. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Gaile, I purchased 3 character slots for my account and the GW:EN Pre-release awhile back post-announcement of the promotion, and I followed the instructions to check to see if it has been enabled on my (Primary) account, but it was not. I bought these the first week of October. Has it just not updated yet, or do I need to spend more in the store? Nbajammer User Nbajammer sig.jpg 04:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
They haven't ran the first update yet. A bit less than 2 hours left. --Doll 05:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The data will probably appear between Midnight and 1:00 AM Pacific time. Which means within a few minutes to one hour from the time I am posting this. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 06:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I purchased GW:EN Preview and GW:EN as soon as they were available through the ingame store, I have just followed the instructions to see if it has been enabled on my account but BMP is not showing. Cimoa 09:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Please contact Support with your account information and details of your purchase. They will be able to follow up on this. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 16:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
It is disappointing to hear that Anet is not taking this into their own hands in light of the amount of users having the same problem, and instead giving the usual "contact support". Foo 16:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hold on. We assuredly are taking this "into our own hands." What "amount of users" are you seeing? I've seen two and I'm sure we can work that out. Remember, Support works for us, and they are the ones with the training and tools to investigate accounts. You cannot seriously expect that we'll take a designer, programmer, or artist off of his tasks to perform functions with which he has complete unfamiliarity and for which he lacks the tools. Before you criticize, think three things: "Is this fair?" "Is this true?" "Is this necessary?" Yours was 0 for 3. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
You've seen two because you haven't been here. and two users reporting a problem means a lot more who haven't reported it, and would probably will not contact support. if you are taking things into your hands, why are you asking us to individually contact support? I'd like to hear that you are on it, and that it will be ok, and not that I must now straggle for that which has been promised to me. Yes, it is fair of me to expect getting the BMP without any more effort, yes, it is true that lots of people have had this problem and that the only official response I saw was "please contact support", and yes, when that is the answer I get, I find it necessary to question Anet's actions. Foo 18:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd definitely make that at least three ;) Time to get in touch with Support. --Ari User Ari sig.jpg (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Bugs happen, it is not necessary to question anybody's action. And to be honest, I've seen far worse bugs in games, sometimes bugs so severe that there was no way to finish the game, even after patching. ANet has so far always been good at fixing those bugs. Besides, in the case of many bugs, the solution is often a fix that applies to everyone experiencing the bug, including those that never contacted support about it. And who besides support do you think should deal with this? Alaris 18:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
There is a difference between a bug in game, and a bug in the service. Gaile's reply to Cimoa hints that this bug will not be fixed globally, but that it is every one for himself, so that if you'll contact support, you'll get the bmp, but if you don't you will not. if this is, however, going to be fixed globally, there is no reason to ask us to contact support. Foo 18:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
You are wrong, Foo. The same problem could be the cause of everyone who is affected, and if one person reports it, it could fix it for everyone. UserDrago-sig.gif Drago 18:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
You misunderstood me. of course it can, but Gaile didn't say "we hear you", she said "go sort it out yourselves". Foo 19:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Let me make something clear: This is a weekend. I have a ton of things to do. Despite that, I've spent hours on the wiki and in the game, talking to players. My involvement here, or the involvement of any other member of the Guild Wars Team, is voluntary, during these hours. When you come down on me for not giving what you consider adequate responses, understand the following: I suggest Support because Support is available 24/7. Getting into the queue if you feel there is a problem is a smart move. You do not need to do that. You are not required to do another thing, for as we have made clear, we will be running the validation script early on Tuesday and Wednesday mornings, as well, and additional verifications will be revealed at that time. Further, there's additional information I will supply via a separate thread, which I will begin to, hopefully, move away from the insults and what I feel is probably intentional "misunderstanding" of my suggestion and the motivations behind it. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Gaile, if you were to be a costumer of ANet, it could have been, like you said, a suggestion, but the fact that you are the PR person of Anet, makes it the official response at the time. I wouldn't mind waiting a few more days, but your note there made me worry. the thread bellow is what I wanted to hear, but it is outweighed by the insult of your accusation above. between this and the hard-to-use support site, I feel I have no one to talk to. Foo 20:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
My note provided information about the means to take the shortest route to verification, in the event that someone was concerned that his details did not appear after the first running of the BMP Verification script. I'm sorry that you have difficulties with the Support site. That is something that I want to improve in the future, as I feel it's less "user friendly" than it ought to be. Still, the Support Team is very responsive and helpful, and they can check the accounts of those who don't show confirmation after the Tuesday script processing. I do want people to wait until Tuesday, though, because I feel that many will see the confirmation that they seek after Tuesday morning's run. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 03:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Stop griefing the wiki and contact support. They didn't intend for this to happen and grieing here will not help the situation. I have the same problem so I contacted support instead of creating numerous posts on forums and here. They will deal with it. Dancing Gnome 08:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I have contacted support and it haven't done any good yet. however, bringing it up here, got the clarification which was needed. Foo 15:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I understand the clarification helped you, (and myself and others). I checked my Manage Accounts in the game just now and I can see the BMP up there so whatever they did "fixed" it. Thanks to support! Dancing Gnome 10:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Update on the BMP Verifications

I have been tracking why some players have not received verification that they have qualified to receive the Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack. One of the programmers who is involved in the coding of the verification system told me that there is a secondary run of the verification script that will expand the list of those verified to have qualified. That script will be run the very next time that the process is undertaken, which I believe will be at 12:01 AM Pacific (7:01 GMT) on Tuesday (so Monday night for those in the US).

No data has been lost; no one will suffer ill effects from the delay, and we do apologize for your having to wait another day to check your verification. You will be able to check your account on Tuesday morning and on Wednesday morning, as well. If you find that your account does not show verification of qualification for the Bonus Mission Pack on Tuesday after, say, Noon Pacific, I strongly encourage you to contact Support.

However, there is one exception: The Bonus Mission Pack is not available to those who do not own at least one of the Guild Wars campaigns. If you own only the PvP packs, obviously you will not be able to play the BMP. However, we will go ahead and add the key to your account, and if at some point in the future you do add a campaign key, you will have access to the Bonus Mission Pack content as well.

I will check back later for more questions. I hope this information is helpful to you. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Release Date?

Well it's November now so sometime soon. I was hoping it would be released today although it seemed unlikely to overlap with Halloween :P. Any news on the release date? Dancing Gnome 07:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hope its today and soon cause I woke up early just for it >.< MageMontu 08:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it will be today, probably near the end of the month and i doubt it will overlap with halloween events.

My best guess would be somewhere in a week or two at the earliest and probably later, as they specifically said it could be anywhere in the month and haven't yet given the slightest hint that it will be "soon". Still it's only 4 weeks orso at most, nothing to go die over :P Liselle Morrow 14:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The imperial Herald no longer says anything about the BMP, she previously gave details on how to aquire it. Obviously this is because the BMP offer has ended now and you can't acquire it any more. I guess the release date is something we will only hear about until an official announcement is made and thus it won't be subtle :P. 00:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
We don't have a date for the release of the Bonus Mission Pack yet, but it will be coming out sometime in November, 2007. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 07:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
So...November 30th Most likley... ><
yeah i would assume on the 30th, but maybe they will make it a thanksgiving present or somethin i hope.Fumetsu 15:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

27th or 31st?

I know it says that the protmotion ends at noon pacific time 31st oct but ive read somewhere that the closing date was the 27th could somene clarify this for me?Kharilus 18:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It's Nov. 1 now, but it ended yesterday. Anyone know when we get the BMP? Calor - talk 18:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The wiki says sometime in November. I don't think a specific date has been announced. ThornClaymore 22:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

So i should get it if i spent £17 last weekend? good!Kharilus 20:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Calor - talk 22:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The promotion ran through 11:49 PM Pacific on October 31, 2007. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 07:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

About the Promotion

I Really Don't Understand. I have all 4 campaigns plus a Collector's Edition! I think I Defenately deserve the BMP. I mean the least Anet can do is releasing the BMP to the Online store and also a retail version for those who don't have or fear to use their Credit card MarioDX 13:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The least they could do was not make a bonus pack. - User HeWhoIsPale sig.PNG HeWhoIsPale 16:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Seriously, a Retail Bonus Mission Pack will be a huge hit in my opinion. MarioDX 16:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Packaging and distribution costs would make the BMP ridiculously expensive for the amount of content. Not having a bonus pack would mean that a lot of us would not get those 4 missions. Of course, you can debate on the choice of making the promotion the way they did, but really, there are lots of ways to make a promotion each with pro's and con's. For example, if you make the promotion available to anyone who bought all 4 campaigns, and people will complain that they are forced to buy 4 games. And some people think they should get it for free, which is absurd if you ask me, because all companies including ANet need profits to stay alive. Alaris 19:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The whole point of the BMP was encourage internet purchases and the purchase of GWEN online; this is because they make more profit online then they do in a normal retail store. 19:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. Alaris 21:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Then put BMP in Online InGame Store :P --The preceding unsigned comment was added by .
They did. You got it free when buying 40$'s worth of online stuff. It's called a limited-time promotion. Alaris 22:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Meh, I qualified for it but even still I think its a bit stuped on Anet's part not to put it in seperatly. If anet really wanted to encourage online shopping, they should put it on seperatly, and they'd make alot of cash. Bad buisness move by Anet...--Warior kronos 22:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
No, they would have made a lot less making it availiable individually in the in-game store. Which do they make more money off of: 3 characters slots, or a new campaign, which is $30 dollars, minus the ten they would get for the BMP that is now given away for "free". 30-10=20. 20 dollars made. But individually, say they sell the pack for ten dollars. They get ten dollars for it. Which makes more, ten or twenty? Calor - talk 03:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I misphrased myself I think, I meant that anet should sell it seperatly both online and in stores. If you were replying to that, then see how many people have already commented on wanting the pack seperatly? Of course they could have made some money by packaging it exclusively with the online pack, but if they made it sepearately, many people would still buy online and probably even buy the pack with it (As I would have), but many others who live in fear of credit cards online/don't have a credit card, would have gone out and bought 10$ worth of guild wars merchandice as opposed to the probably 10¢ loss from packaging in stores and minor loss of promotion for online consumers. --Warior kronos 21:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
That's Exactly what I Was Saying. MarioDX 08:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonus Mission Pack, yet again. Feedback.

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

I felt like I had to share my disappointment, so I will: Regarding the Bonus Mission Pack, I really think A.Net... failed. It was such a nice idea, but (for me) it turned out to be the most irritating decision A.Net ever made. Generally, I like A.Net's attitude very much, it's very user-friendly, and their approach to work with the community is very unique (in a positive way: Just look at this wiki, it's awesome!). But this fact makes it even harder to understand, why the BMP turned out to be so very messed up. Why can't I buy the BMP? Honestly, why? A.Net surely knew most gamers desperatly wanted to have the BMP, so why the hell did they decide to offer it in such a crappy way! Ah, every time I write about that, I'm upset again. Why can't I decide for myself where I buy things I want to have? Why does A.Net try to force me to buy at their own shop (which is crappy in its own way, but that's not the topic here) with such dubious methods? Why can't I buy the things I want to have in the first place, why do I have to buy stuff I don't want to have in order to get the content I want? This is not the A.Net I used to fell in love with. Maybe many people say: "Oh, there is no other way to get what I want, they force us to buy in their online store in order to get the BMP, so we oblige" - maybe the whole campaign was a huge success, but it just wasn't right.
I know you want people to buy in your online store, and I understand and appreciate this motivation, but please, do not engage in such dubious, nonserious methods. And by that, I don't mean current shop issues like currency exchange ratings, pricing or payment methods, the latter pending for months now. It's the simple and obvious fact, that you should provide content you have and many people want in decent way - and by decent I mean, that people don't have to buy stuff they possibly don't want to buy in order to get what they want.
I know you said the BMP is free, it's just a bonus, etc blah blah, but IF you want to have it (and like I wrote above, I'm pretty sure you people knew that many many GW gamers want to have it), then you have no choice but to buy in your online store. For this matter, it's not important how you technically call it (free bonus), but it's important what it means to your customers (buy in A.Net online store or don't get it).

Please notice, I don't want to change anything, I don't like what has happened, and to a certain degree, the whole campaign destroyed my faith in A.Net policy, but anyway, in the end it's just one messed-up thing, and shit happens - you're still doing very good compared to your competition. I write this, because I felt like I should communicate how I feel about this, in order to prevent such things in future. Hopefully, (many) more customers feel like I do, so that you reconsider your attitude towards campaigns like this. I'd like to stress the fact, that I'm content with A.Net generally, and that I don't write these lines because I think A.Net sucks (wouldn't be worth the time, then), but because I care.

Regards, TeleTeddy 11:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Most likely they decided to do such a promotion before the BMP was even thought of, it is the after product of the promotion. If the online store promotion had never run then the BMP probably wouldn't exhist. The promotion was to get more people using the online store and as you seid many people did so it was a success. There is nothing unethical about the whole thing, companies and stores hold promotions all the time and if you don't participate then you don't get the bonus'. Isamu Kurosawa 11:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll never understand the people who want to buy the BMP outright. Honestly, it makes no sense. I'd rather pay 29.99 for something I was going to buy anyway (GW:EN) and get the BMP as a free bonus vs paying 9.99-19.99 for a BMP that I'd play through a couple times and get bored with. Thats why its the bonus mission pack. There was plenty of notice about the BMP before GW:EN went live, so pleading ignorance is just... ignorant. -elviondale (tahlk) 13:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why buying shit from the online store is so horri-tastic. I love the online store, I can buy something that will always be in stock, and I can start using immediately. Also, what did you not want to buy from the store that was offered? Eye of the North? The only thing I can figure is that you didn't what to buy EotN but want the bonus pack anyway (confusing), or that you wanted to buy EotN from a retail store but want the promotional content anyway (stupid). I didn't buy one of those gamer magazines, but you don't see me bitching that I can't have a Miniature Destroyer of Flesh. - User HeWhoIsPale sig.PNG HeWhoIsPale 13:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
So am i right in guessing that the general meaning of your post is that your upset about A) how its been sold and B) where its been sold. Okay as for A), I dont understand your complaint, are you saying that you would rather buy something for £17 outright, rather than spend that £17 on something else and then get the bonus pack thrown in on top? Really if thats how you're thinking about it, you should have just have bought charecter slots and told yourself that what you're really doing is buying the BMP and consider the extra char slots as free bonuses instead. As for B) how else do you suggest they sell this BMP? It is only 4 missions and you cant even take your actual characters into it, instead the general gist seems to be that its like a form of the costume brawl just PvE instead of PvP. So with that in mind, it wouldn't be cost effective too anet to offer the game in any other way than the way they are offering it. As the cost of packaging, delivery etc.... would raise the cost of the BMP to the point where no one would buy it as the content wouldn't be worth the price that anet would have to charge just so that they could break even on its creation and distribution. I would like to note that if, at a later date, anet decides to sell the BMP on its own in the anet shop,then rock on as i know alot of people would like that(although thats still beyond me completely), but in no way can i see that anet is gonna ever sell it through any other medium than that of the anet online shop. Personally i think its a shame anet didn't utilize the ingame store more and maximize its potential. Firstly i think buying the games from there should have been at a discounted price due to the lack of packaging and distribution costs; secondly I would gladly have paid between £5 and £10 for access to extra elite armour selling outposts or other purely cosmetic things like extra dances or graphic effects like divine aura and thirdly i would have gladly paid for wee add on explorable areas like sorrows furnace. I think anet really wasted an opportunity there with a very uninspired shop with very little incentive for your average player to use it. -- Salome 13:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There's always my situation where I wanted GW:EN and the BMP but couldn't afford GW:EN until after the end date. I have just recently purchased GW:EN now that I had some money (albeit it was at a store since there was no longer incentive to purchase it online). If they had the BMP as a permanent add-on for purchasing online then I would've got it there when I had the money instead of a store. Don't get me wrong, I do still want the BMP but have no way of getting it now and hope they will offer it as a purchasable add-on in the online store. :( --User Vallen Frostweaver signature.jpg Vallen Frostweaver 16:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

So, you guys are all happy with the BMP and how it could be achieved - but I'm not, as I tried to explain above. I write this, because my hope is, that (if enough people say that they are discontent) A.Net will be more careful with campaigns like this in the future.
I don't want to bitch around or something like that, hell, nobody is perfect - it's just that I'm under the impression, that A.Net didn't seem to notice (just like you guys) that something went wrong. In other words: From my point of view, A.Net thinks the whole campaign was okay. Of course, they can think whatever they want, but I had a problem with it, and because such things would spoil my fun at the game eventually, I do want to communicate that I didn't like it at all. Maybe I'm some kind of minority here, and if I am, that surely is my problem and mine alone, but I still hope that's not the case.
In another forum, someone phrased it nicely: I think if they (A.Net) said: "Buy in our online store 'till October xth, and you get the pack for free, or buy it later for y dollar", then people wouldn't have been so upset. Generally, selling small-package contents via online shop is a great idea, though they yet have to make it accessible to all their customers (payment methods). - TeleTeddy 16:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yet again, I still don't see your point. Plenty of notice was given and it was clearly said, buy x value of GW stuff and you'll the the bonus free. What you're suggesting is the equivalent of walking into a McDonalds and asking for the Happy Meal toy sans the Happy Meal. There was every opportunity to get this bonus before it ended and its no one's fault but yours if you didn't capitalize on it. -elviondale (tahlk) 16:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, you can buy the Happy meal toy without the happy meal, it's 2$ where I live. That's why I think that analogies are poor ways to settle arguments. ANet decided to offer a promotion to encourage people to buy online, and if they also offered the BMP separately, then it really wouldn't encourage anyone to buy online, now would it? There are plenty of companies that offer promotions like that, and it's a "you take it or leave it" thing. Aside from limited payment options, I see no problem with this promotion. Alaris 17:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Wtf? Did I complain I didn't get the BMP? How would you even know I haven't got one? If you failed to see my point read again: I don't like buying stuff I don't want, in order to get the product I want. Sorry, I can't get it any more succinct than that. In fact, it's a bit more complicated (as I wrote above), but that sums it up pretty well. - TeleTeddy 17:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Can I just mention or say to the original post-er that the BMP is NOT a campaign but an added mission/s. Surely this clarification should mean something to you. It is NOT a must have, it is simply a BONUS hence it's name "BONUS Mission Pack" and not "retail mission pack" Renin 21:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The BMP is a privelidge, a reward to the people who directly gave monetary assistance to ANet via their online store, without having their profit inferred upon by a third party. It's a reward for directly supporting ANet. Why devalue said reward for the people who earned it, by making it something everyone can buy. I don't agree with this thinking. I payed money to get the BMP. Besides, what would you say if they allowed people to buy FoW armor in the online store, so that it devalues your FoW set? You'd be pissed. UserDrago-sig.gif Drago 21:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Well said. And for the record, being able to buy anything for PvE usage spells disaster. I've mentioned it before, but in cases such as GunBound, adding pay-per-content, while offering immediate satisfaction devalues not only the time and effort you've put into the game, but upsets the entire economic balance. I'm proud that I have a Tormented Scythe. While I'm not "l337" by any stretch of the imagination, it gives me some rep points and it signifies my love of the game. Considering the BMP battles are single-player (iirc) and don't have much bearing on the game otherwise, its kind of a moot point. Just a little somethin somethin for the fans. -elviondale (tahlk) 22:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Obsidian armor and tormented items are cosmetic in-game reward which requires a huge amount of in-game items. Selling obsidian armor or tormented weapons through the online store would be a problem because it would devalue ectoplasm and obsidian or anguish gemstones. Adding a new buyable armor set wouldn't be a problem because it wouldn't devalue anything because they $5-10 cost is trivial compared to the time and effort required to get the cash and materials for ascended armor. The bonus mission is playable content. Are these complaints about the possibility of releasing the BMP as a buyable product really about making the BMP being less exclusive, or are they really about what you think it will cost or when you think it would be released? If they announced they were going to start selling it next summer for $50, would people react the same as if they said they were going to start selling it tomorrow for 99¢? -- Gordon Ecker 22:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
All I'm saying is that there was plenty of opportunity to qualify for it and if you didn't take the time to qualify it, too bad. We live in a day where everyone expects exceptions. -elviondale (tahlk) 23:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, I certainly do expect people to read what I write before answering. Sadly, my expectations seem to be aimed too high. - TeleTeddy 23:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Huh? You keep saying that, but all of your points have been addressed and debunked. The rest of this conversation has been banter with people not including you. Its ok to be wrong, you know. You don't have to cover it up with "Zomgie, that's not what I'm saying <insert insulting remark>" -elviondale (tahlk) 23:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I got the bonus mission pack. I chose to be an early adopter and accepted the consequences. I don't understand why the possibility that other people might be able to play the bonus mission pack seems to bother some people so much. I understand that a lot of people would feel ripped off if they sold it for a really cheap price, but I don't understand why some people have a general objection against the bonus mission pack being sold after the promotion regardless of price. -- Gordon Ecker 23:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I got a little sidetracked with the pay-per-content comment before, but my gist is this: ANet told people how to get it, when that period ended, and how much it would cost. They gave every detail in advance how it could be attained. Its not like it was even a difficult thing. In other words, its your own fault if you missed out, so less QQ more pew pew -elviondale(tahlk) 00:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll say it one more time: It's NOT about missed opportunity. It's not about changing anything. It's about how matters in the future shouldn't take place. - TeleTeddy 09:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
@Renin: Granted, campaign really was a bad choice of words. What I meant was the whole BMP thing. - TeleTeddy 23:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I got a feeling that this will go on forever. I think a recap is in order. (1) Some people feel that access to such things as BMP's, Divine Aura, and really anything you can pay money to get, should be available to everyone and should NOT be packaged into weird packs that limits your choices. This is a valid point. Concerning the BMP in particular, not everyone wanted to buy GW:EN online or had other things to buy online, so a lot of people were pressed into a hard choices, including me. I opted for GW:EN online with BMP, but that's irrelevant here.
(2) A lot of people think that businesses should feel free to conduct their business how they wish, and offer limited-time promotions if they feel that it is good for their business. Also, a lot of people think that ANet's offer was quite reasonable, especially in view that they made great efforts to give us choices and to limit the exploitation of the market. Campaigns are stand-alone except GW:EN, and even then you only need 1 campaign to access GW:EN. BMP is free if you spend 40$ on anything in their online store. This is also a valid point.
(3) In the end, it's a matter of choice. Truth is, except if the BMP was free to all GW users, any choice ANet would make would upset some people. Charge for it? Offer it free with purchases online? Offer it to anyone who owns all campaigns? See where this is going? Any choice you make, there's a way to complain about it. Alaris 00:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, exactly! And that's why I give feedback on how I feel about it. Not because everyone should think like I do, but because to let A.Net know, that there are (hopefully enough) people who feel like me. Of course, there's no obligation to care about my point of view, but they should know, at least. Quite a few things coincided here:
  • Many people wanted A.Net to implement additional payment methods, but they didn't bother to do so for quite a few months. People said: Hey, we want to give you our money, but we can't! Please make it happen so that we can." And then A.Net said: "Hey, if you buy in our store, you get a bonus!"
  • When they announced the BMP, many people protested, and this resulted in the announcement, that additional payment methods would finally be implemented - they were announced to get live before the deadline of the BMP. However, we all know what happened in the end.
  • If you live in the Euro-region, GW:EN was heavily overpriced: Partly due to the high price itself, partly due to a ridiculous currency exchange rate. I didn't found a single store where I live, which sold GW:EN as expensive as the online shop did.
  • Many people assume that the BMP will be worthwile, yet there's no possibility to try or look at it before you 'purchase' it. Once you can see (via hearsay, mostly) if it's good, you cannot achieve it any more.
  • People who had already bought character slots didn't get the BMP. This is ironic, because the fact that they already bought slots results in the effect, that they don't need any more slots - buying GW:EN online had its own drawbacks. Those two (slots & GW:EN) being the main way to spend enough money, they effectively punished those customers, who where most devoted and bought early.
Some of these points may seem valid to you, while others are not, fact is: If they first make a product which you can buy and define its value, and then give it away for free as a bonus under specific circumstances, many people will be happier for various reasons. - TeleTeddy 09:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
So basically, it's screw you aNet for not giving us what and, screw you for the sh**ty sales promotion (which by the way, almost every other product has done such promotion) to get the BONUS Mission Pack? Do remember that not all companies have enough funding to sort out the legal (local and international) and technological boundaries to implement such payment schemes. Sure aNet would like us to fork over our money which most of us will be happy to do so but there were/are issues that's hindering them; which they will not disclose as it is a sensitive area. Try researching as to why a certain product cost more in other countries and cost less in others. Legalities is one of the key factor. Renin 10:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Didn't understand first part of your posting. As for the pricing: It's a different topic. However, you might understand it adds to the discontentment, while it's not the main issue, and maybe not even A.Nets fault. Maybe the point is, that it's not very smart to start a promotion that only a part of your customers can use properly. Okay, that's life, but people complaining about it, that's life, too. ;) Btw, be careful not to mess around with other people's postings. - TeleTeddy 10:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I want to echo something TeleTeddy said: For Euro's buying GWEN online was a very bad deal: You pay 5-10$ more, to get less (no box). The absolutely only reason I did it was because of the BMP. If that would now be offered for free/cheaper in some way, I would be a)very pissed at ANet and b)never buy anything online from them ever again.
Surely thousands of euro players feel the same way, so simply making it free for everyone who owns all campaigns or similar ideas have a huge drawback for ANet. --Xeeron 09:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Gaile Gray has said during the Halloween event that she has suggested to the developers that providing an alternative method of accessing the BMP would be very popular. So there may be another way to get it in the future. Biscuits User Biscuits sig.png 10:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Just a comment to those who got the BMP and would feel slighted if it was not offered online for a cost. Life offers choices and opportunities. When these offer themselves, you can take them, or you can leave them. It's always a gamble, because you rarely know in advance if these offers will come back, and if they do, if they'll come improved or impoverished. They might choose to offer the BMP online for 20$ - those who got it early, even in europe, got an overall discount. Or they may choose to offer it at 5$, and those who took the risk and got it early really didn't win. But I have made my choice, knowing full well that the future is not certain, and it offers no promises. Getting the BMP instead of the box was worth it at the time for me, and if it is offered online now, it will not affect my mood because I already made my purchase. Just like I could have waited to buy Prophecies with GW:EN and saved a few $$, but then I wouldn't have played Prophecies all those months, and I wouldn't have PKM on my paragon. Alaris 16:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I had to buy EotN online just to get the BMP although I'd liked to get the box very much. Still, I wouldn't feel bad if the BMP would be offered to others through other means. The same wouldn't be acceptable for miniatures, new armor skins, etc which have sort of a prestige status, but I don't see anything prestige in the BMP. It's just additional content which isn't a 'show off' or anything. No one will even be able to see if you have it or not. Imho this should be released through other means. -- Gem (gem / talk) 16:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
In light of what Tele has said I have to say that personally although i didn't agree with the gist of his first post, I don't infact mind if they later offer the BMP as a stand alone item for purchase later on. I also don't agree with alot of the people here as i don't see the problem of anet offering access to NEW purely cosmetic skins of armour/weapons for a fee. In a way they already do this. You buy a new campaign and you get access to new skins and content,i don't see what is so innately different from that, in offering a new armour merchant for a set fee or a new weapon crafter. As long as the armour and weapons offered can not be attained any other way and don't exist already in the game, then i don't see how it would devalue anything. I'm not saying make the armour/weapons free ingame, you would still need to pay to craft them and the like,however you would just pay a little extra on the online shop to gain access to them in the first place. It wouldn't devalue anything, as everyone would know that thats the armour from the online shop and thus the prestige of the set would be ranked with that. Of course i'm dead against making already existing things purchasable from the online shop,for example if they made FoW purchasable from the online shop or tormented weapons, i would be absolutely furious about it as it completely devalues the item. In conclusion, offering NEW item/armour skins for purchase in the online shop DOESN'T destroy the economy (in fact it would probably raise the prices of some crafting materials so they would actually be worth something); offering OLD item/armour skins for purchase in the online shop WOULD destroy the economy and be a complete insult to anyone who had worked hard to get those things. The only people i can see who would moan about these extra options being added are people who are just too cheap to buy them and really no offense, but Anet is a business out to make money, i doubt very much they care about what the cheap people who dont want to buy their products think; however personally i would gladly spend £10 to get access to 1 new armour crafter as thats 10 new armour sets (20 if you count the male/female difference in the skins) -- Salome 16:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Most people have issues if new armors or weapons would be sold for cash, as in, you'd pay real money not just to unlock access, but also to get them for free in-game. Like paying in dollars instead of plats. Far fewer people have problems with mini-packs that unlocks new content, new drops, and new armor sets, as long as you have to work for it in-game to earn it. Frankly, I have 2 opinions about it. First, items should retain their in-game value, so you know what the person had to do to get the FoW armor. Adding new armor sets that come at different prices doesn't affect that. Second, in a game like GW where most of it is cosmetic, the point is rather moot to begin with (save for my first opinion). Access to new armors and weapons does not make you stronger, unlike say access to new weapons and armors in the WoW expansion. Alaris 15:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I wanted to post here, as I move the discussion, to assure you that your thoughts on this subject are most definitely being relayed to the marketing team and others involved in the discussion about the possible sale of the Bonus Mission Pack. Marketing will make a recommendation to the co-founders about whether the Bonus Mission Pack should be offered for sale, and if it is offered, several people will be involved in deciding on a timeline for that sale. To be honest, I really do understand the many opinions on this matter. Some say we should make it available as a purchase in the in-game store; others say it should not be sold; others say that it should be given away. The third group is not going to prevail, because we can't stay in business if we give everything away. :) Anyway, I've spent time talking to two ArenaNet co-founders about this subject just today, and all of us, devs and players, can see that there are several ways that the company could choose to go with this suggestion. We will be sure to let you know as soon as we get the final word on this. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 06:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I know the discussion evolved around "Should the BMP be sold in the future or stay exclusive?" lately, but that wasn't the reason why I wrote this. It was about the BMP and how the way it could be obtained ... was not so good - if one had the chance to get it at all. I have no reason to believe that these issues were not relayed, but I'd like to stress that point. Anyway, thanks for listening (no irony intended, it's great that you (representing A.Net) take the time to stay so close to the community). - TeleTeddy 10:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
In final, I think that the BMP should not be sold. You we're given ample time to find out about it, and qualify, and if you didn't, oh well. If you want to become a doctor, but do really badly in high school, or whatever, and don't qualify for medical school...should you be able to buy your way in? No. End of story. UserDrago-sig.gif Drago 21:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
While I have often said I don't want it to be sold post offer, as a player I would hate to see other people miss out on a part of this amazing game, sure financial things played a role but I just wouldn't want someone to miss out on a part of Guild Wars they wanted to play. Dancing Gnome 02:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
So getting qualified Bonus Pack in a Multiplayer Game for buying something Online is exactly the same as qualifying for Medical School? Good point.

Bonus Mission Pack

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I could have swore it was supposed to be implemented into the game today like a while ago. What happened to that? --User Hellbringer sig.png HeLlBrInGeR talk 21:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It's going to be added in November 2007. Not on November 1st 2007. --Goteki-45 21:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Any mention if the Mission Pack will be available to purchase for those that couldn't or didn't spend the requisite amount? --User Vallen Frostweaver signature.jpg Vallen Frostweaver 23:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that's been answered a few times with a resounding no. -elviondale (tahlk) 02:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Its been answered a few times with a resounding "we don't know at this time", actually. They've never said not gonna happen, and they havn't even hinted that theres no plans in that area with their "we're focusing on gw2" mantra, which is almost as good as a no, but still far from "resounding". Any further opportunities have to go through their marketing department and that department hasn't voiced any plans yet. 04:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Well actually it is advertised as a ONCE OFF oppurtunity, so my guess is with no, there isn't another way. Keirou 14:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I would think it's a great opportunity to make a little profit from those willing to pay and in no way hurts anyone (as those that have it now got it for free). I was broke (and still am) and couldn't justify purchasing GW:EN (or anything else) online during the available time yet I would dearly love to play through those missions at a future date. If the option becomes available for purchase I'd be more than willing to buy it... once I had some money of course. --User Vallen Frostweaver signature.jpg Vallen Frostweaver 22:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll share the comments that you guys have made. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 01:04, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't mean this in an angry sense but I didn't get it free. I wanted the box for GW:EN AND the BMP, so to get both I had to buy GWEN from the online store ($10 more expensive than EB) and the games store to satisfy the conditions the BMP offer set. Even had I "sacrificed" my box and bought from the online store I still would have been paying $10 more than the EB would have cost me. I am not the only one who made purchases they would have otherwise not have made simply for the BMP because I was under the impression that it was the only means to qualify. If in one months time the BMP becomes a purchase for $10 from the online store for people who didn't qualify, I would be upset because if I had known that I would not have bought two copies of GW:EN, instead buying from the local store and then buying the BMP from the online store later on, (which would have saved me over $50). I just want the poster who said "(as those that have it now got it for free)" to understand many people don't see it that way as their means to qualify was more costly than you might think and that was a part of the BMP promotion, in my eyes it becomes unfair to offer it later on to other people when others qualified at their inconvenience in fear of missing out. Dancing Gnome 06:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
It's a promotional sales and not something you must have even though alot of the players do feel like it is, but it actually isn't. It's the same as complaining about getting mini-pets through magazines. You got the mini-pet because of the magazine, not the other way around. Same goes for this, you get whatever premium stuff (Gw:en or character slot/s), the BMP is a plus. I'm sure you and everyone else have encountered such promotions in other stores. Buy 1 iPod you get something else for free for a limited time only. It's pretty much the same idea. Renin 07:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
If ArenaNet's first priority was protecting early adopters from buyer's remorse, they woludn't have even considered [[Guild Wars Platinum Edition]]. -- Gordon Ecker 07:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Well that's very different.... Platinum Edition was released LONG after Prophecy. Sure it sucks if you bought them both seperately JUST before the release of Platinum, otherwise you had Prophecy over a good 2 years before Platinum was released. 10:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Gaile. --User Vallen Frostweaver signature.jpg Vallen Frostweaver 16:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

But Platinum Edition is going to be released only a few months after Eye of the North. If they decided to release the bonus mission pack as a separate product, we wouldn't know when it would be released or how much it would cost. -- Gordon Ecker 22:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The minipet analogy looks very wrong to me. I think most people would be very upset if they said, "only people who preorder GW:EN will be able to enter the Northlands and do those quests," (this will not stop players from finishing the game if they didn't preorder, this area would just be an extra). Missions and in game content are very different from some silly minature. Or how about, "only players who bought the Collectors edition of Nightfall or Prophecy will be able to see the Christmas decoration and get hats," very different. Dancing Gnome 11:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Heroes from the BMP

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Will there be heroes in the BMP? Like heroes we get to keep. It wouldn't change gameplay function,(unless it was a mesmer paragon rit sin or dervish) because we already have 3 of every hero. It would be so cool if we could bring the heroes from the past into the present from the BMP. If this isn't a feature of the BMP it would be awesome if future releases like this, if there are any, will have heroes for those accounts. Dancing Gnome 11:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

From what I understand the BMP will be purely single player content, where you will be a person IN the scenario with npc's at your aid. 12:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be cool if at the end of the bonus missions some of the major NPCs, or even the ones you played as, became available to you as a Hero. Obviously Gwen wouldn't count. Like maybe having Saul D'lassio become a hero. Or *gasp* a young master Togo causing a rift in the space time continuum whenever playing factions missions. I didn't expect this to happen before but now I really want a Master Togo hero :(. 16:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
No there are no new heroes in the BMP. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 18:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

some questions

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Hi Gaile,I have a few questions for you:

  • When do we get some information about the release dates of the BMP?
  • I've read the FAQ about the BMP, and it are set skill bars, is it something like costume brawl??
  • Is it only 1 special weapon or is there 1 in each mission??

The Warrior Of Timi Ideas 17:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The release date of the Bonus Mission Pack will be November 29, 2007. As for the other questions, I'd rather you wait and see. :) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hardmode in the BMP

of course complains and questions about the other stuff is nice, but i'm here to ask the question we really all wanted to ask, will there be hardmode in the bonus mission pack? I am not asking this so that I can get better spoils of the strong monsters, I'm asking this because i'd love Saul d'Alessio to get owned HARD. Over the years that I have played guildwars I have started to hate him more and more, and if I play him, I want him to get owned, pwned, and bbqpirated Rhydeble 20:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

But if he gets owned, then Prophecies will never happen. Oh, nevermind... Yeah, HM in the BMP would be great, even if some time after BMP release. Alaris 22:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
/agree, although I DO want better spoils from it, unlike Rhydeble :D --MarinBloodbane 11:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I can already imagine it..(insert thought cloud) Saul is sneaking trough the bushes, the charr are far away, so he is safe for now, but what did he just hear, a faint crackle in the shrubs. Without flexing a single time, he fires off his specialty, that should have killed it. Moving on, he doesn't see his health drop to zero slowly. his vision goes black, and in big fat red letters, it says, OWNED BY ALOE SEED. gotta love orison on a lvl 26 mob :) ..... Rhydeble 14:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah,HM would be great and would create more of a challenge to the bonus missions I Cassius I 15:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
If you don't play as yourself I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect that you don't get any drops at all from it. 07:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


Ok. I spent my 39 dollars on EotN/Prerelease Bonus Pack, and I'm eligible for the BMP. Yay. Anet says it would be released some time in November. Here we are on the 17th, and no mention of any release date. I know ANet's busy, but don't make promises you can't keep. Calor - talk 05:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

November isn't over yet. Give them time to announce it. Nbajammer User Nbajammer sig.jpg 05:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I know, but they're not gonna come out one day and have the BMP released the next. A week minimum between announcement and pack, I would guess. Calor - talk 15:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
You should know by now, if a game company says November, it is never November 1 and very often the last week. :P They simply are more busy than they thought :) - anja talk 15:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I knew it wouldnt be releasedearly this month, but Anet havent mentoned the BMP for ages and im getting pretty tired of the wait without any news on it I Cassius I 15:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Obviously it won't be Novemeber 1st...but there hasn't been a single word. EVen if someone came out today and said two weeks, early December, fine. It's just that there hasn't been a single word about it from ANet since the Dev Update, and that had nothing to do with release, just eligibility. Calor - talk 16:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm just hoping a date will be announced sometime... They are gonna give us 1 hr. warning, then release the BMP, or they wont talk about it, and you will have to randomly walk around till you find it :p --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: .

Bobby mentioned it's getting close; they're just squashing the last bugs. Backsword 03:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

They said somewhere in November so i count on 30 November 1 minute for 12. ^^ Cult Mephisto 15:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm putting my money on the 23rd or 24th.
That or Friday the 30th. Calor - talk 21:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Why bother say November if it was going to be November 30th? That's just annoying, if they are going to release it so late into the month they should give a date instead of have people hope for it early on in the month and then wait every day only to have it come at the end. This BMP has been handled horribly. 07:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
In some aspects, yes. Especially with the release time. But I think publicity and the way through the online store was very brilliant, and the store didn't collapse on me. Calor - talk
That's marketing. Besides, I'm sure that they would release it earlier if it was ready earlier. The only reason they are releasing later in the month is because it still has some bugs. And I'd rather they fix them before releasing it. Unlike some other game companies... Alaris 21:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Think of it this way, the longer it takes to come out, the less bugs and such it will have. Then we get a better product. A free one I might add.--Gnave 22:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Cmon now, you know better than to assume a later release means less bugs... that only works with a good beta. (and even then its an uncertainty)-- 13:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
It depends on the company. ANet has so far released products with far less bugs than many other major gaming companies, and they don't have a track record of releasing something before its ready. And by ready, I mean that bugs are worked out. You're right, I've seen games delayed only to be released with tons of critical bugs. I've had games that even after 1-2 patches, I still couldn't play through them. I also remember a patch that forced me to start from scratch, because old save games were no longer compatible with the new way save games worked. I have a lot less patience for that than I used to have. But I just don't expect that from ANet, these guys have kept a pretty high quality standard. I do expect, however, that if they give a release time (like November), it'll be towards the end of that release time. Alaris 16:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Release date: November 29, 2007. Just so you know. :) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 22:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Oi! Thanks, Gaile. I suppose I'm asking for a bit much, but how do we access the BMP bonuses in-game. Do we talk to some historian type guy near the location of the event, similar to how foreign characters access Chahbek Village? Or is it some other unique way? Thanks, Calor - talk 02:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Find 'Historian Durmand' and talk to him -- 11:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

am i the only one who hates it when game compaines say "in the month of [insert desired month here]" its just such a cheep way of saying it will be released at the end of the month but were going to say this month so people get hope that it will come out on or around the 1st.

I cant wait for it to be released! About to explode here Barinthus 08:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Did Gaile give a time? She said PDT but it is the 29th PDT.... 09:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
No specific time. Theortically it could be released at 23:59 PDT :-p Barinthus 10:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
This isn't marketing it's annoying. They say November and then wait until the 3rd last day of the month to release it, they should have said the end of November. Then they say the 29th and here is is... where I am it's almost the 30th and it's deffinitely the 29th where they are. What's with all the waiting? Poor marketing.. 11:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm excited :-) and by the way, November is November, no matter what date or time, I'm happy they offered this to us and they will fulfill their promise, some people just don't realize what tremendous work lies behind all these updates-additions. But hey, A'net you got my respect! ^^ --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 12:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
As of now, Anet is 5 hours and 36 minutes (PST) late with the release. If they specify a date and not a time, it is only natural to assume that it will be released at midnight. Obviously this is not the case. I will be getting back home by about 2PM PST, and if it is not released by then I will be really annoyed at Anet for misleading us.Ashes Of Doom 13:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It's still 29 November, so even if they release it only one minute before midnight tonight, they'd still be in time for the release as they scheduled it. Keep in mind that there might be some unforeseen bug that's delaying things a bit, or that they simply don't wish to release it until a peak hour or such. Whatever the cause, I think it's early to complain. Perhaps if it's past midnight and there's still no update, but certainly not before. They never specified the release time, only the date, so I really don't think it's misleading at all. In fact, I don't expect it to be up for another couple of hours. :) -- User Elveh sig.png Elv 13:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Keep in mind 2 things: (1) if you're on a different time zone than ANet, your idea of when 29th starts and ends may be different from theirs, and (2) ANet has a good track record for making their deadlines... but towards the end of the announced date. Given that, I expect the update to arrive closer to 29th near midnight, GWT (Guild Wars Time). Alaris 15:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
There is no such things as GWT, I'm halfway through thr 30th already and still no BMP, or even word on the BMP release time. There plenty of people online last night staying up deliberatly to play the BMP once it was released and I imagine they have all gone to bed now. It's 4pm PDT so they have less than an hour before the working day is over, and most of the 29th has passed. 00:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Unlimited promotion

Did you consider to make this promotion unlimited? Simply give BMP to anyone who spend more than 26euro in ingame shop. for example all skill unlock packs plus pvp item unlock gives 26,94euro which is more than the required 26euro. -- 15:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonus Mission Pack Release Date

Just a note to let you know -- and being a good GWW citizen I have amended the wiki page -- the Bonus Mission Pack will be released on Thursday, November 29th. Now, with the differential in time zones, and because ArenaNet is in the Pacific time zone, one of the "latest" in the global clock, this may mean that the BMP releases on November 30th in some countries. No specific hour for the release is available yet, but look for the pack on November 29th, Pacific time zone! -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 22:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Well move ArenaNet to my house then. The universe revolves around me, so my house seems like a perfect place. -- Counciler 22:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
No, it revolves around me! Lord Belar 22:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Would be a great place for a "Yo momma's so fat the world revolves around her" joke, but I wouldn't want to be called out for NPA ^>^ -elviondale (tahlk) 02:11, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
".... oh don't tell me your out of meat. Did your wife eat it all? *dropped call*......" -- Counciler 02:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Pfft, your obviously deluded. Its a trick of the eye, a point of view's optical illusion. I am the master of the universe. Get it right, man! -- Counciler 02:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Just to say, next time you have to do some promotions, it would be preferable to say 'available at the end of the month'. People who have the benefit of a such promotion waited to obtain it during the month and not at the extreme end of the month.Otherwise, it would be wiser to say 'in december'instead of November because in this case, we are more close to december, isn't it ? --Christix 18:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Um.. no. Nov 29th is still closer to November than to December. -elviondale (tahlk) 18:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
It's right if you begin the month by the 30th, but here i begin the month by the 1st^^ --Christix 18:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
November 29th=November. You'd be an idiot to think that thats closer to december. Lord of all tyria 19:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
November 29th IS November! you cant get any closer than that as they are both running concurrently! To argue anything else is utterly moronic. Christix i think perhaps you should go sit in the corner for a wee while and next time think about what you say before you deem to grace us with your wondrous pearls of wisdom. -- Salome 01:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
'Don't judge me, because i don't judge you'...I gave an opinion only.All i wanted to say was that the release is at the end of the month and some persons wait it since about a month.That's all folks ! --Christix 19:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
BTW, Christix, have you considered that ANet might have released the BMP at the beginning of November if it was ready back then? For all we know, they probably planned for November 1st but figured that they wanted extra time in case they ran into problems. Alaris 16:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay everyone, let's just calm down. Christix, I know what you were getting at but technically they're still right, even if they are being kind of mean about it. So let's all just chill out, enjoy some Guild Wars and play the BMP 5 days from now. Balthazar knows I'm sure ready for it :D (InvdrFlame 17:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC))
Ignoring the little mess above as I don't want to get involved... I'm so excited that the BMP is coming out! I'm an avid PvE player and I specifically bypassed the box so I could get it and have been looking forward to it since. Coincidentally my cookbook is going to print the 1st of December and it's also close to my birthday. If you don't mind I'm going to pretend this is a giant party/gift from Anet to me :3 Thank you Gaile for letting us know! DelvingAngel 21:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

lol Somtime in November huh? I guess 11:59:59 GMT nov 29th is sometime in november-- 22:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

And ANet is in PST- 2:46pm -elviondale (tahlk) 22:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why the Revert?

The complete details fo the aacquisition aren't needed any more, furthermore their placement in the article gives the impression that the BMP can still be acquired. If someone who read this doesn't read the entire thing (95% of people) they will likely miss the promotion ended section and possibly try to acquire it. We don't want this article to encourage people to have misconceptions of the BMP still being offered, and then have pissed of people who bought stuff thinking they could still get it. 07:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

People keep reverting the changes when I remove the how to qualify section. It is no longer possible to qualify, anything about qualification is now redundant, we run the risk of misleading someone to thinking they can still make purchases to qualify. There is no reason to keep this information any more, the offer has ended, someone should just rewrite the section to include any important current information and the info which is directly from should just be linked to, we don't need it. I thought revisions which took place more than once should have to be discussed on the talk page before they continued? Apparently some people don't care...Anon --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: .
Because it's a direct, word for word quote. I've moved up the promotion period ended section and moved the text into the natice box to make it more obvious. -- Gordon Ecker 11:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't that still ignore the fact that whether it is word for word or not it is completely redundant? Why do we need to have it instead of link to that page and keep any relevant information here, but rewritten to avoid confusion with it saying "From Arena Net". We don't record a copy of all text of offers offered by Arena Net on the wiki, nor should we do so. The information is old, useless and now redundant, it should just be removed. ~ Anon --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: .

The Scribe

Tales and Stories of Great Heroes

The lands of Tyria, Elona, and Cantha have distinct and rich histories that are rife with conflict. These struggles have given rise to great heroes who fought or continue to fight against the forces of evil to protect their homelands. Each of these heroes has quite the tale to tell, but unfortunately, much of their history has been lost or diluted after years of being told and re-told during storytelling festivals or while gathered around the fire at local taverns. Few know the true stories behind the greatest iconic heroes of our world.

Soon, through the extraordinary efforts of Historian Durmand, current-day heroes will have the opportunity to learn first hand the noble history of the past and partake of rewards for the effort. Look for Durmand in the coming weeks, for he offers both grand tales and excellent rewards for those who seek them.

Is this referring to the BMP? If it is let me be the first to say that Saul was really a woman and history just changed him into a man. 07:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

umm when was Saul a woman?
Yes, this is clearly referring to the BMP. No clue about Saul, but the Saul D'Alessio article first sentence is "Saul D'Alessio was a fallen man." -- Gem (gem / talk) 15:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
It was a joke... 14:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
This is the internet... serious business, no time for jokes... 20:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Cardinal Sin. Calortalk 20:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Did I read correctly? The policy says "No sarcasm", but it was rejected. So sarcasm is allowed? o.O Alaris 20:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
That whole policy is a joke now in a lot of discussions. And it doesn't mean a thing, of course there's sarcasm. If there wasn't, me, eloc, y0, raptors, and a lot of others would've been banned a long time ago. Calortalk 20:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The policy is made of win, but a small problem; raptors WAS banned a long time ago and I think he currently is still banned, possibly permabanned. 20:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
That's because no one has made "Guild Wars Wiki: No Irony", but that's just a matter of time, I assure you. Erasculio 21:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Just hours left now

I cannot contain my excitement, but how much longer do we have to wait and will there be a huge update when it goes live? 18:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

tick...tock...tick....tock....-- 18:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I think most of the BMP has already been slowly put in through updates throughout several weeks, they do the same with new campaigns too.--Talk br12(talk) • 18:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It's now 20:00 hours here in EU and still no mission pack T_T 19:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Shame.jpg We're still waiting

I think it'll come 12 Pacific, 3, Eastern, and....I'm not sure the conversion for that into UTC or the rest of Europe, just like most special weekends. *checks watch* I think its 40 seconds slow... Calortalk 19:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Aargh - that's 11pm GMT :( --SnogratUser Snograt signature.png 19:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Nope, 8am tomorrow GMT. At the latest, anyway. And I'd bet my bottom dollar that's when it'll be out. Ahri 20:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
If I were from Anet's staff I would be laughing like a maniac now ^^ It's 20:54 PM in GMT+1 Berekän 19:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
10 Plat its gonna be delayed. Duke Nukem Style. Its done when its Done!
hehe well im at work... so no rush... (you have 2.5 hours anet... any longer and i'll... and i'll... bah... i'll wait longer)-- 20:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Waiting makes me wanna cry =[ but I'll wait Cassius 20:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
22:00 hours in YouRope now. No update and no client announcement. I guess I have to sit around one more hour at least. 21:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

wtf anet lets hurry up and get this shit going >.<

they are probably not ready, but are afraid the players will attack the studios if they tell us 22:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol Probably, I want my BMP! 22:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
lol, its not even the end of business PST. As of this writing it is 2:37PM PST (or 14:37 if you prefer). Plenty of time left in the day though as we all can agree, I'm sure, the anticipation is growing by the second :) Lojiin 22:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Its 11:50 PM here im +0100 GTM. If its not out in 10 min, the Cake is a LIE! to us in europe at least. They should have really given us a better ETA.. otherwise they can release it on the last hour of the furthest away timezone..which is stupid and lame.
Gaile even noted in some posts that 29 November means 29 November their studio time. They can't possibly take into account that some people play on the other side of the world and work all night just for that. Just cool down, it will be here just in time for the weekend anyway :) - anja talk 22:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

She also stated it could be any hour of the day. So basically, they have until 11:59 pm PST or the break their promise.--Mortazo 23:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

And you know what happens then? FIREBOMBS! YA HEAR ME?! :P 23:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Sigh* *rolleyes* Alaris 23:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Isn't it the 30th already for some people? Which would mean that Anet is late.--MP47 (talk) 23:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Gaile mentioned "29th afternoon-early evening PST, which will be 30th in some place". Not an exact quote, but the point she tried to get across. Calortalk 23:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It is not 4:10 PM ANet time and not a word has been uttered.... *sigh* ....I hate waiting. Aldora 19:13, 29 November 2007 (EST)
HOT DOG! New build! 00:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Extra Vault Box slot!

My friend recieved an extra slot in his vault box when he was greeted the bonus mission pack for free, due to the fact that he had bought GW Prophecies earlier in August 2007, from the official online shop. Now, i have searched EVERYWHERE on the net about getting an extra slot in the vault box when buying this mission pack, but i have to this date not found ANY evidence of that treat. I meet him IRL everyday as we live near,(we play together too) and i know for sure that he hasnt bought any other campaigns or expansions than Prophecies. Has there occured some kind of bug/malfunction to which he have recieved that extra slot, or is this something that is officially known of but not written about when talking about the mission pack?

19.20 GMT+1 18/3/2008 -Per , Sweden