User talk:Greener/Archive4

Hi Greener!

Good to see someone going inactive to active rather than the other way around. - Tanetris (talk) 00:44, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm proud to see the quality upkeep that's been done on this site: from the implementation and tweaking of filters (Jon et. al.); the back-end (thanks poke); the addition of Silver Edge to the admin team, and it not slowing down his updating habits; as well as those who have kept the improvements going, from logged-in users to the anonymous IP's (too numerous to list, which is a great!). G R E E N E R 01:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Mistaken Ban Wave

→ moved from Feedback talk:Joe Kimmes

I don't think you're in the position to QQ about getting any of your accounts banned, well done ArenaNet, get rekt motoko. Be happy they didn't change the name of your NPC yet because you're a huge disgrace to the whole community 141.70.81.154 10:15, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, LOL. It is hard to take you seriously when I know what you look like. - Word of advice. Before acting like a dick on the internet, make sure you keep your private life private. You are one ugly 12 year old that is for damn sure, Lynie. Gladiator Motoko (talk) 10:22, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps if you don't want your accounts to get banned you shouldn't break the EULA so frequently. Motoko, you are widely known as one of the most notorious rule breakers in this whole game, if you are upset that you actually have to deal with the consequences of your actions then you should let your steam out some place else. This forum is not a platform for you to rally support against the people who banned you, nor is it a personal soapbox as you have apparently thought it is in the past. You hacked the game to attain your gladiator 12 and gamer 12 titles, mercilessly manipulated matches in heroes ascent using your array of alt accounts, botted Jade Quarry and even botted GvG. So, before you claim you've been unfairly treated perhaps you should re-read the EULA that you've broken in almost every sentence. Do not post here complaining about getting banned, this is not a platform for your rhetoric. 96.31.64.186 10:54, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Motoko, you are a disgrace to the Guild Wars community. Your ban has been coming for far too long. Your pathetic attempt to gain support from other banned users by acting as though you did not deserve to be banned is as predictable as it is obscene. I am one of the players whom you destroyed much of this game for.

I used to love entering Heroes Ascent, my friends and I would battle each other to see who could make the better builds and teams, but then Motoko came along with alternative accounts. EVERY night for 10-14 hours Motoko would constantly sync Heroes Ascent with an excessive load of alternative accounts. Almost every time my friends and I would attempt to enter and have real matches, we would be faced against Motoko and alternate accounts with henchman and be forced to fight a 16v8. Motoko did this at the same time as he posted trying to look like a helpful person to the moderators.

As if that wasn't bad enough, I used to enjoy playing Jade Quarry matches during double week and at other times occasionally with my PvE alliance. Once again, after Motoko discovered the money making potential of botting with his 16+ alt accounts the arena was effectively overrun by bots and ruined.

Furthermore, the result of Motoko flooding the market with your botted (and hacked) currency resulted in a depreciation in the market value of Zaishen Keys, making it supremely difficult for those of us who wanted an honest form of in-game income to attain one, effectively halfing the value of Zaishen Keys and my in game bank account.

Not to mention, many of my friends and I are aware of the social engineering tactics that Motoko utilises whenever he wants to get his way, including spreading rumors and lies about players behind their backs to get other plays to dislike or be wary of them, resulting in friendships and guilds being destroyed just because Motoko wants something. Another example is this kind of public pressure that Motoko is trying to put on Anet right now for banning him by trying to trick people into thinking he is innocent and Anet is wrong and has ill intentions.

Motoko posts here acting as a White Knight, trying to gain the favor of moderators by proposing fixes and updates for his own benefit while simultaneously exploiting, botting and hacking multiple areas in the game more than any other player in the game. Motoko is a cancer that has ruined this game for so many people and I commend Arena Net for finally banning him. My only complaint is that it took so long. 216.70.92.98 11:59, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I moved this conversation here to clean-up that Feedback section. While I understand that there are strong feelings involved, and I respect that some of you have spoken quite clearly about the situation, none of the above will have any effect on the status of Motoko's accounts; That process is between Motoko and ArenaNet's support staff.

If there is more to be said, you can say it here, but keep it civil. Thank you. G R E E N E R 12:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I think that's a bad decision, you're basically hiding that Motoko is a shithead, also I think posting real life pictures of someone is against your rules of conduct, just saying 216.70.92.98 12:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Neither of our opinions have any weight on the status of his account. I have also removed the link. If we were to ban everyone on this wiki who has ever posted something in anger, well... I do not think there would be any of us left to maintain it :D G R E E N E R 12:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I think that this should remain on the Feedback page as long as Motoko's posts remain on it, seeing as they give context to an otherwise deeply misleading post. Additionally, if these posts are not relevant to the Feedback page then surely Motoko's comments are not either and should be deleted or moved just as these comments have been. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 120.149.209.242 (talk).

I left the original post as players have, on many occasions, asked devs about recent ban waves. At its heart, it is a standard question, though as I said, I'm not a big fan of some of the words Motoko chose. G R E E N E R 12:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Motoko's intentions behind his "question" are quite clear given his rhetorical history and the gravitas with which he regards public opinion. I've been friends with Motoko for a long time but over the last few weeks I've begun to realise the extent of his true nature (the ways he deals with things he doesn't like). I was provided with information (including screen shots and personal messages) showing he had done exactly what he's trying to do here dozens of times in different contexts... Whether it be to steal a guild, get exclusive buying rights over an item or simply socially ostracise a player who he had a grudge with, so I'd have to agree with the earlier poster about the use of "social tactics" which it is evident he is trying to employ here. His post barely even seems relevant to the Feedback page given its propaganda-like nature (the spirit of the comment is not that of asking a question but expressing a point of view) and I ask that it be removed until he can change his language to suit the page. Otherwise, by allowing his post to remain in its present rhetorical form and by removing the context given to his post (and that points out the persuasive mechanisms he employs) it makes it seem as though there is legitimacy to his claims and means that others may be deceived into believing his cause, aiding him in the propaganda war he is waging against Joe Kimmes. It is for the sake of intellectual honesty and open information that I ask that these posts be placed back on the Feedback page or Motokos post be removed or reworded to remove its rhetoric. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 120.149.209.242 (talk).

There is no propaganda war. If ANet went out of their way to ban some accounts, then they believed they had enough information to do so. Your words, while written with great intention, does not change that fact. If someone that you believe has done ill to the guild wars community has been removed from the game, then you should be happy.

Mr. Kimmes is also an intelligent person, and is more than capable of clicking on a link and seeing what was written, if he chooses to do so. At most, he'll likely only be able to say whether or not there has been a recent wave of banning. He will NOT, I promise you, comment on the status of a players account on the feedback page, nor will he enter into a discussion about a person's account be it about the past or the future. That conversation will only happen privately between Motoko and ANet (note that this PRECLUDES Mr. Kimmes from having ANY say on the account's status).

If you do have concerns that you wish to sent to Anet, you may go through the ticket process as well. G R E E N E R 13:21, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

To be objective on the whole pretended-to-be-the-case performance deployed, I have to simply state that it doesn't contain any suggestions, nor it is brought up in an acceptable, polite towards the respondent (who's also a staff at ArenaNet, by the way) form. To me, the best decision in this case appears in entirely removing the composed paragraph upon Joe's approval to proceed with it. Dmitri Fatkin (talk) 20:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

We all have our opinions, and we all draw the line in different places. The situation has finished on all fronts, except on the only one that ever mattered, which is between Motoko and Support. I've stated why I left it, and if you wish to see the precedence I relied on, it's here: User talk:Gaile Gray/Archive Support Issues. I'm also more than aware that Gaile and Joe fill two different rolls on the wiki, which is why I directed Motoko to support, instead of the only Anet presence he had general access to. G R E E N E R 21:52, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Greener. What I meant is a little bit other thing, that according to Motoko, there surely have been hundreds of players who's got groundlessly smashed by the Guild Wars Support. Anyone who's logging into the game on a weekly basis knows that this is far from what was actually going on (and logically culminated the day before), so having the "Mistaken Ban Wave" title on the topic is already inaccurate and biased opinion, serving the interests of a specific players group. Dmitri Fatkin (talk) 22:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I'm just racing out to see another client, so I'll be quick to respond here. I agree that the title is misleading, and chosen to illicit a response of a certain kind. This type of rhetoric is easy to see through, as many have pointed out. On the other hand, I chose to assume good faith (can't find link), and allow Mr. Kimmes to respond to the post if he wished. No one is insulted by poor rhetoric. As for how long that section will stay there, that is up to Mr. Kimmes. G R E E N E R 23:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Of course, and it's definitely not within the list of matters I would choose to additionally disturb him about, so let's leave it where it is currently. Dmitri Fatkin (talk) 23:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Could you reopen edits on Joe's page for serious requests please thank you --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.3.200.227 (talk).

No. I do not need to spend more time removing unnecessary image links from that page, so I would ask you to kindly stop posting them.

It is also past 5:30 AM, and I do not desire to babysit a situation that has already concluded. Take a step back, and realize what ever that was, it's now over, which is what I assumed many of you were hoping for. G R E E N E R 13:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Are you serious, that was a legitimate request and there was no reason to delete it... sigh... Lynie (talk) 14:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey Greener, I appreciate you moving this, this isn't a pleasant conversation to be had. Lynie and Nick/Hubet are both avid cheaters who just don't like me because they can't beat me in the PvP world. It makes sense they would try and take a verbal dump on me when possible. My mainw was not part of anything which is why I am irritated. I have prophecies only accounts bought to hold my gold trim guilds. You can't even bot on those and they are banned for botting. This is where my frustration lies. Gladiator Motoko (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

In case you haven't noticed Motoko, you've lost. Nobody believes a word you say any more and why should they, you're the one whose been hacking, syncing and botting for years on end and have finally paid the price for it. Accept responsibility and move on. Nobody is buying your rhetoric any more. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 120.149.209.242 (talk).

I fail to see what you all on about, its the megalomaniacs in the game, threatening and harrassing guilds into submission that is destroying GW, please congratulate them on doing what ANET could not achieve, people have had enough of this and leaving, there is a guild shortage, pple scared to get on their radar because of threats well congratulations guys you won, you destroyed GW...what has ANET done? remove the jq bots, the only usful bots in the game for pple who need faction and need jq active, who dont use DT or ferndale bots. Congratulations Guys on destroying us all. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 178.208.199.65 (talk).

Not to step on ya'lls melodromatic crusade, but you realize Guild Wars died as a PvP game in 2008? That was 7 years ago. This kind of infantile banter might have been fine when the game was actually active and people who seriously competed had emotions running high, but for years now the game has been dead and dominated by botting, so getting worked up over cheaters is just an exercise in futility. Yes, Motoko is a cheater. Yes, he's been a joke in the PvP community since teamquitter started. Welcome to last decade. Nobody took him seriously then, and nobody should take him seriously now. Him getting banned is a funny as hell (karma's a bitch), but bringing tired, uninspired trolling to the wiki of a dead video game to spite someone everyone already knows is bad news is just silly. Don't waste the time of wiki mods, don't waste the time of ANet staff. Forums exist for this kind of dickwaving contest. It doesn't belong here. And really, posting RL pictures of people? Are you guys still in elementary school? Jesus, people are bad at trolling anymore. -Auron 05:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

“A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on.” - It's really cute to see what everyone has to say and how fake everyone has acted over the years. It is rather sickening to know this is the player base that has stuck around all these years. I'd take your input seriously on PvP Auron, but... You were never anything significant in that portion of the game. So that is a luxury I can enjoy and a mystery for you. Gladiator Motoko (talk) 19:47, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

"you realize Guild Wars died as a PvP game in 2008?"-Auron

I disagree with you full heartedly that the game's PvP had died that long ago; it has been on the decline for that long — maybe. Anyways I agree with IP -178.208.199.65; Taking out the JQ bots at this time during the game is quite ridiculous. Having ruined my favorite game mode, they sadly tore up that which I have liked since Factions released, and I continued to enjoy earning Z-keys through it even with the bots. And, no matter how much Motoko deserved it, he was the one who kept JQ running when GW died. Now, there is truly no one in JQ. — Foxman525(talk) 22:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC) :(

Meh, I only had 6-7 JQ bots running. That is all I lost in this. Gladiator Motoko (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Can we now ban Motoko from wiki? He just admitted that his original post was a complete and utter lie for the soul reason that he was mad after a couple of JQ botting accounts got banned (or he's trying to toll the wiki?). If this doesn't prove that this good for nothing individual deserves to get banned from wiki then what does? He has no intention at all of making honest posts and does nothing but waste the time of wiki moderators and Joe Kimmes. He spams frivolous requests to get everyone to see how many maxed titles he has, an amount that no player who didn't cheat, bot and hack could ever achieve. He makes insidious threads like this which, as every previous post correctly predicted, was nothing but a platform for his rhetoric. He's had his chance to make honest arguments and show that he's posting here in good faith but at every turn he's proven the exact opposite. I say it's about time he was permanently removed from this website, this isn't a forum and this kind of trolling should not and need not be tolerated. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 120.149.209.242 (talk).

Unfortunately, you can't ban people from a wiki just because they used bots on their alts. Also, just to clarify some info on the above poster for everyone->his name is Nick and he is a well known toolboxer and hacker of guild wars. He cheated gold with avg and has a huge vendetta against Moto since Moto figured it all out. Anyway, hope that puts it in perspective for people why nick is obsessed with Moto. Also @Nick, your posts support how toxic this community is. I don't blame Moto for wanting to quit with only people like you left. Moto accomplished some pretty great things in this game, not to mention he flawlessed gold this recent mat. (If my memory serves me right iQ fought your guild and completely smashed you). Can we just close this topic please? It only serves as. Harbor for pathetic life forms like Nick to come vent about their life failures and blame it on Moto. Gz on the gold by the way, much deserved this month. 99.125.125.127 20:19, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Motoko, please don't pretend to be a supportive third party, IP 99.125 is surely you, unless he lives in your street too. Digging up dirt on another ip editor isn't helping your case either.

Cheating in game doesn't have any direct influence on whether we ban you on the wiki, but being a bellend increases the odds. -Chieftain Alex 21:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)\

← moved to Guild Wars Wiki talk:Admin noticeboard

This conversation has more than run its course. I'm archiving it not as an editor, but as an admin; I'm not happy about this. G R E E N E R 22:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you Alex. I am not Moto and I do not have a desire to be Moto. I am just pointing out the facts. I'm sure you can do ip checks and locators to confirm that much. 99.125.125.127 22:27, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

I see you fixed my file upload error. I will try to watch that in the future. I am not trying to make more work for you. Is renaming the files an admin only ability? Simon of Aragon - talk

It was no extra work for me, don't worry, just a few button presses with the odd copy/paste. Besides, you had already put the proper tags on the images, which is the actual pain to go back and edit.

If you're curious about what you're able to do on the wiki, swing by Special:ListGroupRights and look under User. You're able to move files, but it's left to admins to delete the redirects which are created. Speaking of which, I haven't looked at that page in ages. G R E E N E R 21:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Your "To Do" List

On your front page, I noticed, "Is there a reason, need, way for the Guild-space on the whole to be vetted? Do players rely on the veracity of the pages?", you asked. I admire the GWW for being so complete. There are few game wikis (albeit 10 years in the making) this informative. If you are asking for public opinion on the Guild Space, I would just move my single guild page over to my user name space. I know that won't change the file size or disk usage. There are some that don't even allow for user space. I suppose, I may not fully understand this issue or if there really is an issue? I can understand the desire to tidy things up. I do try my best to keep my guild info up to date. --Wendy Black 10:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for commenting! My to-do list isn't really a to-do list in the sense that I'm not necessarily planning on doing any of it.

The guild comment was prompted by the fact that there are edits and reverts on guild-info that I have no way of verifying. These are often on notable guilds who have gold capes, where the veracity of the information is somewhat important to the PvP community. There haven't been any recent revert wars, or need for an admin to step in, so I'm content with how things are in the guild space.

You actually brought up a great point about this wiki being as complete as possible. Removing/protecting the guild info would be a travesty, especially as there are a fair number of active players and guilds. Perhaps my beef was really only with the "status" portion of Gold trim guilds. G R E E N E R 20:10, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, now I understand. Someone asked about joining a guild. The generic "Are there any good guilds recruiting?" was the exact question. My response to that is always, "Depends on what you mean by a good guild? What are you looking for in a guild?" They replied with Gold trim as the answer. Sorry, my guild will only achieve gold trim with Textmod or Umod. LOL It seems I recruit people and then they will either stop playing or leave. I don't mind them leaving the guild because, my guild is just a place to hang your hat. I have a fully stocked guild hall but more turnover than the local McDonald's. I bumped into another character who invited me to see his guild hall. Prisoner Zigor has the Burning Isle and was showing me around when I noticed he was the only member and Guild Master. He told me that is why his guild is named "Team that goes solo" LOL. I found him very humorous and he too likes to roleplay. There must be a lot of elite guilds out there, but I am a little like Zigor, I would rather stay small and friendly. --Wendy Black 21:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I will admit, it is one of the advantages of the GW2 guild system in that I can have a different guild to associate with, depending on my current mood. I'm not sure how much "loyalty" it breeds, but then loyalty was never a quality I was looking for in a guild-mate.

At the end of the day, I want to sit back, relax, and try to kill this damn centaur in hard-mode. People that can accept my subsequent venting in guild-chat are fine folk by me. G R E E N E R 20:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Captains Elora et al.

Edit conflict w/ Greener. Thankyouverymuch. ;-P Steve1 (talk) 09:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I love interfering with other people's good intentions. I figure it's a life goal of mine. G R E E N E R 09:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Doing good, man. Doing good! ;) Steve1 (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Skill Nav Revamp

Requesting feedback on Skill Nav Revamp. --Falconeye (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll swing over there if not tonight, then tomorrow. G R E E N E R 08:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot !

Still a lot to learn here^^ Also, i thought the warrior could speak in some kind of early modern english...but that's far beyond my skill--Ruine Eternelle 19:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

No prob. More info at User talk:Ruine Eternelle/Lame. G R E E N E R 20:16, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Greener, and sorry for the recent spam, I am Ruine. I did not know about the different feedback pages for suggestions and if I had I would have used it more. Please also excuse Dmitri, he is a nice guy but also tends to spam and lacks a bit of concision. I don't know how to move topics ; could you explain to me/move the two sections I've created to the place they deserve (i can't login and editing is already a pain with a smartphone) ? I'd prefer avoid having to copy/paste things with a smartphone.

There's no rush on making the move; do so when you're able. I know the Feedback section is a pain to figure out, but once you're set up, it goes smoothly. I'll see what I can do to start you off before you get back to your regular computer.

• Go here: Feedback:Getting started. Please read all of what's on that page.
• Where it says "Step 2", please read the legal portion, and then place your user name, Ruine Eternelle, in the space provided.
• SAVE THE PAGE YOU'RE BROUGHT TO. If you do all this properly, the wiki will have created Feedback:User/Ruine Eternelle for you. It will look something like mine, Feedback:User/Greener.
• You can enter a name for your new suggestion on the right hand side of your new page.

If things don't seem to be working, let me know and I'll definitely help out. G R E E N E R 18:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I'll check this all in a week or two. It seems some ideas were already there and maybe they have some interesting points... The more people on the same idea, the higher the need and therefore the better the idea. Sounds good. We should have something on Joe's page to redirect there and make his job lighter. And also (if possible, i am a wikinoob so i have no idea how difficult it is to implement) some kind of vote to count how much people are interested in an idea. Again, it's to make it light for Anet team --78.231.36.113 13:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Sadly a voting system is beyond the scope and capability of this wiki. Besides, online voting is notoriously unrepresentative! As for a message on Joe's page, I'll ponder that a bit more. We already have a banner on Feedback:Main saying that content is very likely not to be added, and I wouldn't want to have a banner on his page sending people to a banner that says such a thing, as true as it is.

If it does look like it'll keep being a problem, then we'll have to just find a solution ; ) G R E E N E R 17:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I should have figured about the voting system, I just have no skill in programming and thought it could have been a way to measure how good an idea is. Well, comments from contributors of this wiki are enough. As for Joe, I just hope he doesn't bother having to find a way to answer "no, not yet" each time someone adds a suggestion on his page...--78.231.36.113 17:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

A thesaurus is a wonderful tool, but it only takes you so far. G R E E N E R 22:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

If I understand things well, feedback is user-based ? Then what about a suggestion brouht up and developped by several players ? Isn't there something like an inventory of suggestions ? Oh well, I should probably give up about those fruitless, allbeit good ideas. The only thing I really care about in all this is my pre survivor anyway, and it's time-consuming enough. I'm wasting my time and my mind playing. I don't even understand how you have managed to keep up so far with this wiki...--78.231.36.113 21:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Ha! My hand in keeping this wiki running is minor at best. "Standing on the shoulders of giants" would be more apt.

As for the Feedback section, it is a separate area whereby any suggestions that are made are free of the GFDL (the license we use), and sole ownership is given to ANet (GWW:COPYRIGHT). One contributor, or many contributors can (co-)develop the same general idea, and can be placed into that Feedback space. It's formatted to a contributor's account as a barrier to entry (keeps random spam down, adds a bit of accountability).

And there is a list of suggestions you can peruse. You can start at Feedback:Game suggestions, and it should show you what's already out there.

Finally, "fruitless" is such a poor word. All ideas have to come from somewhere, so not giving them life is simply the fastest way to kill them. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." G R E E N E R 01:27, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, sorry for the blues, I kinda can't stand when things are not moving ; that's the reason why I've played this game so much.

But now I'm done with everything I like. Done with cartography, I've even done a mod for it.

Done also with pre-searing, Ldoa with all professions. Done with general PvE, 2 gwamms. Done with vaettirs, mtsc and mqsc ; I have wisdom, kurz and luxon titles.

I'm bored fighting against bots in JQ, and other PvP just doesn't suit me ; I'm more of an explorer than a PvP player and i hate titles out of reach.

You are doing a fine job running this wiki ; dealing with bots and such, reminding guidelines and showing the way to wikinoobs like me.

You are rather a leader to us ; we wouldn't go far without your help ;)

Your work isn't always funny, especially now that most of the game is known... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.231.36.113 (talk) at 06:43, 19 July 2015‎ (UTC).

One of the great things about Anet is that they encourage players to take a break. They don't want you to burn out, and they're aware that the game is free to play. GW is their love, and I'm sure they don't want you playing it while feeling down or bored.

There are many other great games out there. I recently purchased Mass Effect when it went on a stupidly low sale on Steam. Loving the story telling and the game play so far. If you haven't tried GW2 yet, perhaps take a dabble in that. It's also free to play, and you'll get the full game plus the expansion for the price of a normal game (with some hunting you may even find it cheaper).

GW1 isn't going to see much more added to it. The fact that they went and developed the 10th anniversary was amazing, and a sign of how much they love their past (Gaile has repeatedly said it was very much a passion project for everyone that worked on it, and a gift to all of the players). GW1 is their past, though, and their efforts are wholeheartedly being put into GW2. G R E E N E R 10:07, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Content box

Hey! I was wondering how you got that content box at the top of your talk page. I would like to have it on one of my pages, but I can't find it anywhere (was looking at edit page to see if I could find the code) :) Jackie File:User JackieDiJackJack Heart.gif 22:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

The source template is found at {{Archive-box}}. I'm not one to ask about how to modify it, nor make work with other templates. G R E E N E R 22:12, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! After testing a bit more, it appears to be automatic from the archive box once the page has 4 or more headings. Thanks! Jackie File:User JackieDiJackJack Heart.gif 22:29, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

... Wow... So, my apologies for mis-reading your question entirely! Yes, it automatically appears, and you can self-create it with by typing __TOC__. More info can be found at Media Wiki's TOC page. G R E E N E R 22:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Haha, that's okay! I tested around a bit more and figured it wasn't connected to the archive box but self-created by the wiki. Thanks for the link though, didn't find that one yet! Jackie File:User JackieDiJackJack Heart.gif 12:35, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Gathering suggestions

Hello Greener, how are you ?

I'm back on my computer and can now work on my suggestions better. Regarding those, you told me that I should use a page along the lines of "User Feedback:Ruine Eternelle", but this doesn't seem right to me. I'd like to have an anonimous page for each suggestion, a page that other users can edit and improve separately, if possible with a root navigation page for all suggestions. Does that exist already ? If not, is it possible to create it ? By advance thank you--Ruine Eternelle 10:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I know it seems weird, but trust me it will work out. Once you create that page using the steps above, the next step will be creating separate pages for each of your suggestions. Other people will be able to comment on them via the talk pages, or edit them if you give permission (by typing something like "Please feel free to edit" at the top).

Creating your first page and first suggestion can seem slow, but it's slow for everyone. Chances are your first page will be made incorrectly, but that's why other editors are still around that know how to help format it. Give it a shot! G R E E N E R 15:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Glad to see you got the page going. Now take a look at Help:Creating a game suggestion page#Individual suggestions.

If you'd like to see some of the possible results, take a look at other people's suggestions and see how they're formatted. G R E E N E R 16:47, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

The correct format is Feedback:User/Ruine Eternelle; think of it as your second user's page, only its dedicated to discussions on to make guild wars even better! Here are some layout and article examples of feedback pages created by other wikier's: Feedback:User/Mora, Feedback:User/Damysticreaper, Feedback:User/Aquadrizzt, my page! ^_^ --Falconeye (talk) 23:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

This skill has a PvE version

How do I had a picture to that PvE-version box Example? The PvP has File:PvP.jpg, so id be aesthetically nice. --Falconeye (talk) 03:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I guess the first thing you'll have to do is find an appropriate icon to place in there. I'm not even sure where the PvP icon comes from, but if it's in-game, then there may be a PvE equivalent.

Next, take a look at {{Pveversion}} and compare it to {{Pvpversion}}. You can see that they snuck [[Image:PvP.jpg|24px]] into the section prior to the text. If you have an appropriate icon, you can do the same for the PvE banner. G R E E N E R 06:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

My first choice is Capture signet; since its strictly PvE. If there's a better one; ive yet to find it. --Falconeye (talk) 09:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Definitely never thought of that one. Added. G R E E N E R 00:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Spell vs. Casting

Two duplicate lists; two duplicate categories (how did *that* happen?) One needs to be nuked... which do you thnk is the correct term?

• Spell range
• Casting range

Not all spells have 1.2 radii; and some skills follow the same rules as spells. --Falconeye (talk) 08:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Skills is more general, so we can keep the Casting range and lose Spell range to a redirect. There's very little that uses Spell range, anyways, so you won't be making any double-redirects. G R E E N E R 16:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Done! Do you, or anyone else, have the tools/knowledge to merge the two categories? --Falconeye (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry about merging (to my knowledge, categories don't work that way). You'll have to go to each page and change its category. If there's an issue with one of them not changing (be it protected or otherwise), let me know. G R E E N E R 00:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Recent changes

Hello Greener,

As you may have already seen in the recent changes I just had some fun with someone today. Sorry for the spam, I knew I couldn't win from the start but I had nothing better to do today. Now I'm still pondering on why non-users have the power to edit users' pages and I wanted to ask of you the power to IP block or forbid editing from non-users to a dedicate page. If that is possible, of course. And if you trust me.--Ruine Eternelle 16:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

1. Trolling, revert wars and remove other user comments are the fast tracked way to being banned, for both of you.
2. 82.240.45.162, are you User:MrPaladin‎? If so please log-in when editing user pages to avoid this kind of situation in the future.
3. To my knowledge, this wiki has no extensive Wikipedia-like policy preventing edits by non registered users.
4. Ruine, if your *that bored*, then I have a constructive project in mind: helping me move all articles from Category: Spell ranged skills to Category: Casting ranged skills.

--Falconeye (talk) 20:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Please don't get into revert wars with vandals. It just makes it harder for me to dig through the details.

1. Admins have the ability to rollback edits which people make. It's clean, fast, simple and does the job. If others get involved, it's harder to clean up.
2. We have the ability to vet edits done by IPs on User pages. When in doubt, we can rollback (as per above), and request that they sign in.
3. If a particular page is causing problems, Admins can protect the page in many different ways, including edits from non-confirmed editors/IPs.
4. There are many admin around with eyes on this wiki. You may not see them, but they're here. Someone will come along, and it's what the GWW:AN is used for.
5. Some people get a perverse joy out of causing problems. I don't know why, I think they're fucked up, but it's a sad truth. Leave them alone with themselves and they'll eventually disappear. By getting into an edit war, you acknowledge their existence, and they begin to think that causing problems somehow makes them worth something.

G R E E N E R 00:11, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

4. I like your Freudian slip of using the singular "admin" and not the plural since it certainly feels like that at the moment.

Just look at the list of admins: Alex had been specifically elected a while back because there wasn't a European admin active any more. And he's put himself on the semi-active part of the list now. Plus his activity level certainly reflects that move. (No accusation, just observing).

SE? Editing spree on June 30th. Before and afterwards? Rather quiet for his past activity levels.

Auron's been less than active for ages.

That leaves you and yourself.

Maybe it's time for a second active sysop? Steve1 (talk) 08:06, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Greener,

All's well that ends well and the vandalism editing has finally been reverted. Like I said, I know that revert wars wasn't very smart from the beginning and I apologize for that overflow. At least we got two IPs for one.

On a tangent, I suggest you block editing of MrPaladin's page for non-user contributors. It's not the first time that such a situation occurs and the fact that MrPaladin ostensibly admits being christian probably gives people which are bored or simply having a religious problem (or both) the sudden lust to tag the page. Not that I blame him for it, but to me religion has its place outside the game.

If now finding another admin to check after that kind of problem can take weigh off of your back, Steve1 and Falconeye have been active and done a great job so far.--Ruine Eternelle 09:47, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

@Steve: I'll pretend like I was aiming for "administration" instead of "administrators". Auron's currently on a trip, Silveredge I can only hope is getting some R&R, and Alex is around on the other wiki if needed in an emergency. Jon, Tanetris, poke, and Rainith are also around, with others being slightly outside of my hearing range. One hiccup from one vandal doesn't overwhelm me, but thanks :)

@Ruine: I've gone ahead and protected the page, as per above and the Admin Noticeboard. I know that reverts are a natural reaction to vandals (I did that a lot before I realized that it slows admins down sometimes). Feel free to do them, but when you see that they're not going away, leave them be.

@Everyone: If things DO get totally out of hand (and this wouldn't be one of those cases), there are some editors on the GW2 wiki who have admin abilities here. Leaving them a message on their notice board may help (I'll even put that on my watchlist over there).

Finally, I am not the arbiter of who is and who isn't an admin. In fact I feel as though I should recuse myself from making any such comments. We have GWW:RFA. Take a look-see through there for a while, and see how the process works. G R E E N E R 14:21, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi

My user page. Should not exist. Having emails visible in history, even obsolete ones, is a bad idea. I should've put it up for deletion in 2010 but apparently it was too important to circlejerk with whoever friend it was that vandalized the page. It got me several MSN contacts from around here, but by now it's probably a good idea to hide it. Thank you. --DANDY ^_^ -- 10:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Yep, makes sense, and the page has been deleted. G R E E N E R 14:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Not making a liar of me

You are a good lad. Get yourself a cookie. - Tanetris (talk) 21:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I did. It fell apart in my coffee. I'm not complaining, as I believe all food should be caffeine infused. G R E E N E R 21:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Y'ain't wrong. - Tanetris (talk) 02:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Builds and Speed Clears

Hello Greener !

I wanted to ask of you the stance of the wiki about Speed Clears (I know you saw the current problem around the Guide to MQSC). I can't really find anything on that among all the guidelines.--Ruine Eternelle 13:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I do have an opinion (thank you for asking), and I may weigh in, but my opinion as a contributor and actions as an admin are two different things (rather hard to be both a judge and on the jury). I think it would only be fair to the discussion to give others time to have their say prior to my words being heard. My opinion is also not immutable.

As for guideline information, I'd like to take a look at some past discussions as well (though we don't have to live in the past).

The delete tag will hang around on that page for at least a few more days. If I seem to have wandered off or away from the discussion, come hit me with a sledgehammer to get my attention again. G R E E N E R 14:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Thx

I guess I was napping ... Steve1 (talk) 17:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I just figured you were bashful and didn't want to keep putting yourself out there. G R E E N E R 18:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Can you

Add this Focus (Pre-Searing) to the Pre-searing merchants template, please? Magamdy 21:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I think I got them all. G R E E N E R 21:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Huh. I tried adding it manually but it ended up weird. Thanks anyway. What categories do I need ot add to the page? -- Magamdy 22:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

{{Merchant goods offered/Focus (Pre-Searing)}} had to be created first. As for other categories, I think that page is just fine. Others may see something I don't, though. G R E E N E R 00:33, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, Category:Focus items, as a starter :). Magamdy 09:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Alright, got that one fixed, and the name. What else is missing? (It's been so long since I've even looked at those templates. Kinda fun!) G R E E N E R 15:54, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Hmm I think that's all. If there's a category for attributeless weapons, then that. I've added a render now, so it's complete. However, some of those "Diamond focus" weapons have severly lacking pages. One doesn't even list any aqcuisition place. Maybe you could find that out? ;) Magamdy 16:23, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Ha! Asking too much, now. And I'm sure you already know, but those renders are incredible, and you uploading them is appreciated. G R E E N E R 18:27, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

You know, I was thinking. Weapon renders are awesome, however screenshots provide more perspective about size, holding position etc. Is there a possibility to have the render as main pic and have the screenshot underin the infobox? Magamdy 20:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Right now we only have space for a single image, unlike in the GW2W where they allow for a gallery in the infobox. How this should/could be handled will be up to the community (e.g. we could add an image further down in the article). G R E E N E R 21:42, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah too bad. I'd render for GW2 if it hadn't an entirely new texture mixing system that would require me to reverse-enegineer it.... again. But might as well try and finish this game ;). If you know of a place to reach any active community meembers here, let me know -- Magamdy 23:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for comment would be the general way, but the community isn't nearly as active as it once was. Create a page, add a link to it, and people may discuss on its talk-page. G R E E N E R 04:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah probably not worth the trouble. I guess people can look at the dye chart. -- Magamdy 23:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Image licensing agreement... etc..

Back in March you pulled an image from my personal area, but no big deal. I've been using the one Mrs. Black was so kind to supply. I am looking at the same image you pulled here --> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KDE_logo.svg and I replaced it and it got pulled again and so on. If you don't recall any of this you can read up on my talk page. So what images are and are not allowed and how do I discern which to use again? Because I would have swore the first image I had was under a public GNU "goat license" as you called it, but you removed it saying it was under KDE? Then I found other images on this wiki as well such as Tux the Linux penguin mascot --> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Tux-logo.png who is also licensed as a GNU of Linux. Thank you for your attention on this matter. Simon of Aragon - talk

Re: KDE logo. "KDE, K Desktop Environment and the KDE Logo are trademarks of KDE e.V" makes me hesitate. Then further below, it says that the image may be a registered trademark, and "You are solely responsible for ensuring that you do not infringe the rights to this trademark."

• Basically, if you are using it on this site without their permission, they may not be happy about it. You'll have to ask permission. As to why there's the "goat" image on that page, I do not know; That's a level of legalese I'm not familiar with.

Re: Tux logo. It would appear that the copyright status, "The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted." makes it free and clear. I'm not sure if we're allowed to apply the GNU to it, but given that the image has a link back to its source, I think it's moot. G R E E N E R 10:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I guess what I find confounding about all this is; you told me to seek needed images at the "wikimedia commons" and much to my surprise, the first image I uploaded was that of one which you said is in question of policy. I am currently at work about to head off to lunch, sorry to be brief. I take it, I should not use images from the wikimedia commons either, there seems to be a great deal of trademarks and possible IP infringement going on there. I just find it incredibly absurd that anyone can get anything accomplished having to look up legal information for something as simple as an icon. However I had some free time this morning and found this; Kubuntu's legal page redirected me to Ubuntu IP Policy. Under section 4 states:

You can use the Trademarks in discussion, commentary, criticism or parody, provided that you do not imply endorsement by Canonical.

As I said, this is not a big issue, I was looking at reworking some pages in my user space this weekend. Thank you for your support in all matters. Simon of Aragon - talk

I was just as surprised as you about finding a trademark on there. I believe that wikimedia commons is getting around it by saying, "We'll have it here, we don't quite have permission, but we haven't been explicitly told not to have it here."

As for trademarks and patents, there's a reason why you get to hear crazy stories about someone claiming ownership over parts of songs (even Happy Birthday), or Samsung suing Apple at the same time Apple sues Samsung over portions of their code. Companies are ravenous over these things to the point of ludicrousness. Lawyers make tens of millions of dollars fighting over the silliest of things.

And Ubuntu is right, but having it on this site or in a signature could imply a connection, endorsement, or a representation of/from the company.

tl;dr: Avoid anything that may be owned by someone else. G R E E N E R 20:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Cleaning up the Convoluted UGC

User Generated Content or (UGC) on this wiki has some hierarchy issues in my opinion. If you look at the page Guide to modifying in-game graphics, it does not go there, instead it redirects you to TexMod subsection. TexMod is not the only axe in this shed. Under the subsection Guide to modifying in-game graphics/Other mods you can see; GwCamUnlocker, GwVanquisher, GwDressUp, and the obsolete High Resolution Textures. Out of these four only DressUp deals with altering the game graphics. Besides the extensively long naming most of the subsections are found under Guide to modifying in-game graphics/Texmod/Player made modifications which is actually a database of mods. Once again with the old "Texmod" sandwiched in for extra length to this link.

I purpose that this section and contents be moved. I would do this myself, I do have the free time, but I don't plan to waste my time just to have one of the admins revert it. Anyone can see this is a mess. If I put in the effort, I would like some assurance from the admins to back me up and not shoot me down. I would make an actual page about UGC, copy everything to "User Generated Content" and set a redirect for UGC. This would be the base of the following hierarchy; 1. UGC Software, 2. UGC Player Files, and 3. UGC Other. For example, the name; User Generated Content/Software/TexMod would be the new location for TexMod information and use.

If you and the other admins wish to tackle it yourself please do so, otherwise I would be happy to assist. --Wendy Black 12:53, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

I took a look at the history of the redirect page, and stumbled across a project in the works. I appears that the root page was intended at some point to be what you pointed out it should be, but never made it that far.

Since I'm very unfamiliar with the processes and options for modifying graphics etc., indulge me with staring at my potentially off-base suggestion:

1. Guide to modifying in-game content (Root page. I'd like to replace the word content with something else. User generate content is too broad imo.)
   1. Guide to modifying in-game content/Graphics (Small sub-page. Mainly to organize the possible programs that can be used.
      1. Guide to modifying in-game content/Graphics/TextMod (Page for TextMod)
      2. Guide to modifying in-game content/Graphics/Program2 (Page for whichever graphics mods also exist)
   2. Guide to modifying in-game content/Camera (Small sub-page.)
      1. Guide to modifying in-game content/Camera/Program3
      2. Guide to modifying in-game content/Camera/Program4
   3. Guide to modifying in-game content/Other (Misc. options)
      1. Guide to modifying in-game content/Other/Program5 (etc.)

I don't know how many programs are out there, or how many branches are needed. I also do like the idea of a "software" branch, but I don't know if there are any hardware or firmware modifications out there to warrant it (though I'm suddenly interested in finding out!). Let me know what you think may be possible, and how off-base my thoughts may be. You are correct, though; those pages are really lacking in proper hierarchy.

PS: If there are any moves that you'd like help with, do let me know. Once you have a layout you'd like, you can leave a list for me and I can make the moves and modify the pages which link to it. G R E E N E R 19:42, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Give CME its own page while your at it... since that's what got most players to download TexMod in the first place! ^_^ 31/2 years at 99.8% completion was annoying before I did. --Falconeye (talk) 22:09, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Try this link to get a list of what is out there. Toss me a map of where you'd like some of those pages to end up. G R E E N E R 22:58, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, here is what I plan to do; I will create the needed pages in my userspace (aka no man's land) and then you can proof them and move them at your as you see fit. This should keep people from fiddling about or thinking I am trying to upset the apple cart. I am not trying to make it all mine, I just want it presented to users with an understandable format.

The information contained here, is poorly defined by calling it a "Guide to..." which of course the only guide is showing people how to use TexMod. Living with a programmer, raising a database engineer, and IT specialist has made this woman a bit too wise in the ways of technobabble. LOL I am completely open to better names, it is just the term "modding" has become the new replacement word for "hacking". I want to make it clear to the readers of these pages, that this does not promote or condone hacking in any way.

Yes there is other software, uMod (Universal Modding Engine) is not only the replacement to TexMod, it can be used on any game that uses DirectX. Both programs is actually linking into your DirectX and never bothers Guild Wars except to ask for numbers needed to redirect graphics. I feel something needs be said about 2D and 3D painting programs that are currently in use to accomplish your goal of repainting.

I agree with Faloneye that "Cartography Made Easy" is the biggest draw to players who are trying to get their titles. While I am unsure of his idea of making it root, it certainly doesn't deserve to be buried underneath levels TexMod and UI enhancements. I will get with Faloneye and work on it. I really appreciate the hard work you and all the admins put in here on this wiki. --Wendy Black 07:33, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Putting it in your user space is a wonderful idea. Let me know when things are ready to be moved, deleted, etc. G R E E N E R 07:56, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you but there is something I need your input with on this page; Guide_to_modifying_in-game_graphics/Texmod. The note block following the warning block seems to be telling the reader to just ignore virus warnings. I believe this should be moved down into the trouble shooting area and reworded as I have done here; User:Wendy_Black/TexMod. Your opinion? --Wendy Black 10:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't know how common that issue is, but I don't see the value in having it as a big box at the start of the article. Moving it to the trouble shooting portion makes sense. You may want to tone down the bold on some portions as well, so that the important bold stands out more (people's eyes begin to glaze, even when they're looking for valuable information). G R E E N E R 11:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I personally have used the uMod, which doesn't require an guide created here (has its own) and works a lot better than TexMod. I agree this user manual is not eye candy. I replaced a lot of those bold lines with bullets in FAQ, moved the Checksum Section to the bottom, removed some repetitive RED warning flags, and replaced the ArenaNet disclaimer as a link. We only need the one disclaimer section. If you happen to look in on my efforts, please feel free to toss me any opinions on my talk page. Thanks again! --Wendy Black 13:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I noticed that Auron has moved himself into inactive status on this wiki. Maybe you can get with Silver Edge and discuss the movement renaming of the pages. Apparently the people I have spoken with have no opinion or maybe they believe this to be about ego. The original pages could be redirected, for a time, until everyone is assured that no one is displeased by my editing. There was some discussion on the root by user God Of Fissures, the only person to give actual feedback. I would like it that "Other Benign Software" should not be renamed because this is what Gaile Gray called it in her official response. Once it goes into the public area, then it is really up to the GWW community to make those decisions. I made the root but all the rest has been unchanged with the exception to format, punctuation, and removal of redundancy. I have attempted to contact user Farlo (wiki email link) to explain about his template tags (those drove me crazy). He is welcome to reinsert them they just didn't follow the new format. I am asking everyone I know who has these mods floating about on their hard drive to fix any dead links. Upload it to a responsible download site and fix the link. If you look inside the root you will see I have removed "High Resolution Textures" by commenting it out. The only page I have "left out in the cold" is that Creating Mods page which is just technical data on images. I would say delete it and just sum it up in one phrase; If you need assistance editing your images, you should consult the wiki or user forums of your image editing software.. While the root points out the GIMP as the best free editor, this wiki is not about the GIMP. Unless there is something I missed, my good deed is done. --Wendy Black 07:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I'll see if I can get myself set to go over the move (to make sure I don't fuck things up), and I'll try to get it done in the next few days. I'll also mull over any names.

Thanks for being so thorough and reaching out to others. If anyone is worried about their redirects breaking, that issue will fall on me. Shout if there's anything else that you feel needs to be done first. G R E E N E R 11:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

By the Gods of Tyria! I thought all the TexMod and graphic guides were contained within the same area or at least reside in user space. But I was wrong Guide to guild cape images is located on the root. Have fun! --Wendy Black 12:23, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Joy! Good catch. And no, I haven't forgotten this. It's now almost like standing on a cliff above water, waiting to jump: You're fairly sure it'll work out, but you feel more comfortable waiting just a bit! I've got a pretty big gap between some clients today; I'll try to get it finished then. G R E E N E R 19:34, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I think that looks a lot better now. I am not a huge fan of modding video games, just aware that some people like a more custom look. The only time I used uMod was to change the background color to pure white so I could capture my characters images. Other than making the user interface appear different, it is odd to put a new look on your character that no one except yourself will view. Thanks, you were helpful and made me feel useful too. --Wendy Black 21:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

It was a good project to tackle! Much appreciated by many, I'm sure, and more over time. G R E E N E R 21:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

After re-routing misplaced categories, I'd say what you guys did was beautiful! I'll do some further cleanup same way I did with "old UI". ^_^ Falconeye (talk) 22:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)