Talk:Guild Wars Beyond/Archive 2

Thackery and Langmar

Any news? They kind of left us out of the loop, without a followup. I'm guessing this means more Guild Wars Beyond or something. Also What of Evennia? Any ideas?--Dervashah talk 13:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Just discoverd the new dialogue in the Hall of Monuments. Gwen is now the new Captain of the Vanguard, Langmar is dead. Thackery (aparently) is making his way north or is dead. Dian was ordered to involve the norn. I am assuming this leads to some whole new series of events. Still nothing of Evennia. By the way Gwen cries afterwards. --Dervashah talk 13:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Gwen always cries. Karate Jesus 13:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It's a Cry of Pain, emotional pain. --Musha 17:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Heres some random dialogue for them thackeray lovers ..........It's clear that the White Mantle army advanced on this location. If Langmar and Thackeray were indeed here, they would have had to choose between an impossible fight or the treacherous water below. Nothing remains to suggest the outcome. The Emmisary 17:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

What bothers me is why can they go to the north of the Giant Basin lake, but we can't go any norther than Divinity Coast. I want to have a look there too! MithTalk 18:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It's a shame even Lesser Giant's Basin is too large to see across even at the shortest length. I'd like to at least pay respects to Langmar's grave even if it has to be at a distance. -Yossitaru 01:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Maybe they are adding new areas??? :D yeah I know thats probably too much to ask for hah.--Flaming Renegade 06:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

It would make sense for there to be a new area, but we must keep in mind they only have so much in the way of resources... Siris/talk 15:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

all we CAN say is don't expect a new region xD Zachariah Zuan. 19:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

John Stumme mentioning some things

I stumbled upon some information on the talkpage of John Stumme, which could be added to the page. Well, I can at least tell you that we're going to be wrapping up one of those major storylines, and I think we've got some pretty cool things planned for it. One of the others, well, it's not forgotten but I think we might hold onto it for a while (as it will be part of another storyline.) We're also starting to plan out the next major story arc that'll happen (Cantha? Elona? Mystery!) ... is that vague but enticing enough? XD John Stumme 18:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC) Didis 07:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

PvP rumor

I heard that GW will be getting a new PvP mode, with pre set skill deck. just putting that out there.--Knighthonor 03:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Codex Arena which has been around for a year, or perhaps Costume Brawl which comes around every October? - Tanetris 04:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

a Costume Brawl --> Overhaul is most likely the source of that Rumor Twisting. Infact they suspended Dervish development to do it which makes me **as a Dervish Main** ...very happy b/c the longer they put off making my main class worse, the better. And don't just call me a negative nancy whiner on that without actually looking at all the previous dervish nerfs they've done that they considered "fixing/improving" --> Ebon Dust Aura, Arcane Zeal, Meditation, Aura Slicer, Dwayna's Touch, Featherfoot Grace, Grenth's Aura, Vow of Piety, etc.. ..with the exception of Pious Restoration, every change they've ever made has only made the dervish primary worse and less versatile. It used to be my primary farming character too but now I've had to switch to a Mesmer & Rit instead. --ilr 18:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

So you think the Dervish overhaul will be different from the Rit, Mes, Hammer, Tactics, Blood, etc overhauls just because it's a Dervish? Manifold 18:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

All of those lines you just cited provide or relieve Pressure & already were brimming with Utility. ...Dervish will be different b/c it never offered ANY of those things. And the skills it did offer them on... got NURF'D (that's why i |||'d them) --ilr 17:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

The dervish changes, in my opinion, will be far better than the mesmer and rit changes made previously. They won't make dervishes "worse." ~Shard 20:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

dot dot dot.... --ilr 16:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Dervishes do need a bit of a fix.. being that several other classes are actually better with scythes than dervishes. That, and at the moment wind prayers is a bit of a mess... but let's not get too of topic here.~ Reez 16:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Crisis in Cantha

About time. Lets go pwn some birds! -- 72.218.69.197 03:25:28, 05 October 2010 (UTC)

Warden! Revolt!--Mark, het Beest 05:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

The Naga have a long trip ahead of them. 24.197.253.243 06:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Mantids will rise and eat everyone Demonic Fahrir talk 06:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

What about Lt. Thackeray?! When we gonna get to go find him?! --Musha 18:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

CLEARLY Lt. Thackeray floated allllll the way down to Cantha. It only makes sense.--Flaming Renegade 21:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he found a hole, then an Asura Gate, and then he ended up at the tunnel the Dredge used to get to Cantha from the mainland. MithTalk 00:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

That would mean there could be a GW2 Factions equivalent :P Mal 09:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

"“Crisis in Cantha”—it’s not really named this…at least not yet."" -- Blog quote... /Semantics Fapping --ilr 17:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

A Ritualist Dredge! It will be a Ritualist Dredge! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haw-cough! *cough* Ahem... a Ritualist dredge. I doubt it being THackeray, we already have 3 rangers. MithTalk 14:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

GW:2 storyline, Luxon and Kurzick armies are gone, the entire country of cantha has become Kaineng. Anyone think that we're going to be helping with this come GW:B material? Setting something in motion that basically puts the entire country in the hands of the emporer? --BriarThe Spider 21:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

New hero

GIVE ME A TENGU HERO!!!! --Master Briar 18:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking it might be either an Assassin or a Ritualist. Snowstone 20:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Lol ya think? --Master Briar 22:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

No, its not gonna be what you think... Maybe a 4th ele? --Musha 05:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

When they said "its not gonna be what you think" i think they were talking bout WHO is gonna be the hero, not the hero's prof. Magamdy 08:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

$500 says it'll be a Yeti paragon. 66.183.242.205 04:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

1 plat says it will be Shiro. ~Shard 20:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm calling Naga right now. Sneaker 20:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Dredge ritualist. They are already blind, and you can always use another ritualist. MithTalk 23:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Bah .... Shard beat me to it, I'll throw in another plat on Shiro. --Manassas 12:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of a donkey with a supernatural capcity to carry things around, with whome we could go farming side by side. Yseron - 86.64.70.44 13:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

These are all crazy ideas... maybe the hero is Thackery? --'Mai Yi' talk 22:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

How about a FEMALE ele? I want one. Ox rider 11:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Hopes are on an Angchu Tengu (Canthan storyline relation?) or another Norn. -- Wandering Traveler 16:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Something Nobody expects... I Got It! The Lunatic Court will Succeed! The Mad King will be the new Hero! (At least that's what I think)-Jollymormongiant

I wouldn't mind that... Have you seen how quickly he can kill crowds of people when they don't listen to him? I would take him to UW and let him tell his jokes. All i would have to do is collect all the ecto. --'Mai Yi' talk 22:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's probably not human.. and we can only hope that it isn't another assasin.. oddly, first thing that came to mind was a naga ritualist. But clearly it's going to be Shiro, but a chronomancer~Reez 23:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

If my logic is right then the new hero primary class can be: assasin, rit, paragon. There are already 3 heroes for the other classes.Thedukesd 08:04, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "There are already 3 heroes for the other classes.Thedukesd"
Norgu is fat, but still just one hero. So, with Gwen that makes 2 mesmers.--Sharkinu 08:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Call me crazy, but I was hoping you could have alternate characters on your account as heroes. :} --Spigs 23:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Evennia! She'll play a bigger part they say... But tbh I doubt they'll add a fourth Monk... Maybe she'll be a god too... Gotta love speculations. Mal 12:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think they'll add a 7th god now, unless the GW2 character creation demo wasn't showing everything (ofc it wasn't, but you know what I'm saying) you can only choose from the 5+ Kormir, besides 2 new female gods? Sexism much91.177.35.90 17:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Dout it, i bet it'l be a combination of Abaddon's fist,

rurik's other hand, shiro's left leg,

the lich's wings, togo's right leg,

the body of a rain beetle, the horns of a gaki,

the tail of a devourer,

ghostly hero's head with kormir's (lack of) eyes,

and will be every profession at the same time.

<-- Totaly that.

Enjoy.--Neil • 12:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Er, are you ok Neil? Tidas 13:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

lol... Definately going to be that... Though, even though mes, rit, and sin are the best guess, if they remove the hero cap it could just as well be anything. And I dearly hope the do not make another assassin.~ Reez 16:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Fun fact: The next Hero is neither an Assassin, nor a Ranger! John Stumme 01:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately the picture above right? (Also... Good news for me.) --'Mai Yi' talk 01:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm putting my money on a hero who's primary and secondary profession can be changed. Would be even more fun if it's gonna be a hero who uses a GW2 only profession, but then again that would be a hassle with the skills. Still would be fun to have a hero that serves as a teaser and has some elements of a new profession from gw2 to itDamysticreaper 19:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I sincerely hope the new hero isn't Cantha's severely ADHD-impaired version of Mhenlo >.< Maybe we have to choose between a Luxon or a Kurzick hero, depending on our affiliation...--150.200.222.207 23:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

John! You can't just leave it like that! If it's not going to be an Assassin then who in the world was that Mysterious Assassin?! --Musha 09:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Someone you'll be meeting very soon. /cryptic answer John Stumme 19:19, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

That reminds me... did you know that Mysterion was actually Kenny? MithTalk 13:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

How is that AT ALL relevant to this (other than the first 8 letters)? --'Mai Yi' talk 20:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm starting to think more and more that the Mysterious Assassin is just a red herring. 98.210.8.185 20:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Please no more gods being created from worthless NPCS!!!Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not mysteious assasin, they said "it won't be what you expect"... mysterious is too obvious. And an assasin.~ Reez 14:23, 13 November 2010

We already have a Luxon hero, probably will be Kurzick if it's aligned. Hopefully a Wallow like Brutus and Sheena coss they are AWESOME. Zencow 09:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

A wallow would be awesome... but not a kurzick one, luxons are better! --'Mai Yi' talk 13:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Luxon Wallow vs Kurzick Wallow! yeah kurzick wallows are more squishy (less armor) and no-one moves in pve anyway so having more curses for weaken knees is pointless therefore luxon wallow wins! Zencow 20:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

@Sharkinu well Norgo = 2 heroes :D . I knew from the start that something is wrong with him. Joking. Yep I forgot about Me. My fault. Thedukesd 20:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The most shocking thing they could do, is make the new hero a preview of the new class that'll be in the next super sekrit expansion Linsey's been heading up. (Remember: it's only a secret because you don't know about it yet.) -- 17:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I want to believe ! Yseron - 90.15.59.4 18:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Tengu Paragon. Can't be anything else but that. Arshay Duskbrow 23:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm still holding out my hopes that it will be a 4th ele and female. --Musha 00:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

How about a Nameless Lich hero? 66.170.212.17 08:09, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

new hero found in .dat --The Holy Dragons 08:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Ghostly Togo perhaps? 95.180.76.188 12:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Or Kuunavang.Damysticreaper 13:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

It's Saul D'Alessio as a mesmer!!!Anonymous 10:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

And the cruelest thing they could do, is... say it won't be an assassin or a ranger.... then it's an assassin AND a ranger. And then you get keiran and miku. John, if you do this I will hate you like a spoiled tweenager for life ;_; -- 16:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

They said one hero, not two, and if you say ranger and assassin... Wasn't Thackery a R/A in the missions? --'Mai Yi' talk 17:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

R/P actuallyDamysticreaper 18:40, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

You're right, well, maybe. On Keiran Thackeray (Disguise) talk page there is a discussion about whether he is really R/P becuase his para skills use expertise. Look here. --'Mai Yi' talk 14:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I might actually have to go with Ghostly Togo! Another Rit is very plausible and it would make a good link to Winds of Change. Truth is, some hero we don't know anything about yet is something we can't possibly expect. Mal 15:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

New hero :/ --'Mai Yi' talk 23:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Hall of Monuments Reward Calculator

This was JUST released on the Guild Wars 2 website, This needs BIG MENTION on the 2 wikis!!!! http://hom.guildwars2.com/index.html Devi Talk 15:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

That's a little invasive, I can view anyone's hom there. Tidas 15:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that as well, I feel they may change it quickly. Devi Talk 15:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

They should not. Anyone that goes around with Obsidian armor and Chaos gloves and boast about being some kind of ultimate player, but has less than 15 things in there should know that people will know he is just a showoff fake. MithTalk 22:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) How's that invasive? ...*boggle*... It's not showing inventory, only the personas' titles & dedications. If someone is either a completionist achiever or total newb, those qualities generally came through already in any day to day interactions with them and nothing we see here will be any different from what you can already deduce by looking directly at which of these rewards they'll have in GW2. ...or anyone who thinks it's "invasive" will now have to hide all these rewards when playing Gw2 b/c it's the same damn thing. And if they try to require authentication for this web App, they'll only hasten the REAL theft of people's accounts by spyware directly embedded in the web browsers of unwary morons who don't regularly clean for internet worms&malware. --ilr 22:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Someone try devs character names ? Yseron - 90.14.97.116 22:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Joe Kimmes added a link to his on his userpage. --Silver Edge 23:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Funny how the link doesn't work, led to a "page not found."--Neithan Diniem 00:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

You can try using the name Joe Kimmes. All names for staff are reserved. MithTalk 00:44, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The link didn't work before, because they have since moved the page to http://hom.guildwars2.com/#page=welcome. --Silver Edge 02:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Segment in Cantha?!?!

Its about time Factions got some storyline love! -- Wandering Traveler 15:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Haha, yeah. I'd like to see its lore actually tie in with the rest of the world. Otherwise, if you want to learn the Guild Wars story, you just have to play Prophecies, Nightfall and EotN. :/ – NuclearDuckie 10:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

How much did it actually tie in though? ...I mean apart from the Fortune Teller, there was no overlap with the other 2-1/2 chapters of the game. ...other than some canthan henchmen and Shiroken randomly showing up... The exigencies & themes in Prophs, NF, and EotN have been much more cohesive in their continuity by comparison (gogogadget fancy literature terms!) --ilr 19:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Probably due to those three being neighbors, while Cantha is across the ocean. Also, there was plenty of ties surrounding Shiro - you have him, the quests revolving around the Fortune Teller, and you got the quests revolving around the Hunter (which is probably part of what you meant by "Shiro'ken randomly showing up"), and in the first and last, you got connections between Shiro and Khilbron, while in the second you got ties between Shiro and Abaddon. There's not a lot in NF, but the few there are important to the background to the storyline of Factions. Oh, you also got the Zaishen appearing in Tombs and Nightfall, and the three Canthan heroes (Jin, Zenmai, and Sousuke). -- Konig/talk 20:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Embark Beach and Full Hero Party

I don't think this information belongs on the GW:B page as it isn't part of the GW:B story arcs. These are going to be general changes that will be available to all players, not just those playing the GW:B stories. --Musha 18:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. This wiki has defined "Guild Wars Beyond" to include both storylines (WiK, Gwen & Thack) and generic changes (the two Nicks, zquests, Waiting Game, ...). Will Embark Beach be available to everyone? Or will it require meeting some post-campaign threshold, such as for WiK and (separately) for Gwen/Thack? If the latter, then it certainly is Beyond the game originally available.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the 7 hero thing will just be in Embark, the details were vague. — Skakid 19:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Hero parties are for anywhere you can already use Heroes. If you've unlocked them, you can use them. It would only hurt us to limit Hero parties to coming out of one outpost. John Stumme 19:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Seems a bit counter productive to make it 7 heroes allow from Embark only, since the point of Embark is to promote people getting together. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 20:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

@ TEF. There are actually only 3 GWB elements so far. They are WiK, Gwen & Thack, and Zinn's trial. Everything else you listed is NOT part of GWB and it is so stated on the Guild Wars Beyond page. The Embark Beach will be an outpost where players can meet up and do missions together, so yes, it will be accessible to all players, just as the ZQuests are, not just to post-campaign players. It therefore is not part of GWB and does not belong on this page. --Musha 20:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Even though it isn't technically part of GWB in terms of being in the storyline arcs or actual added gameplay, I think it deserves a spot on this page just as much as the Zaishen missions, the Traveler, and The Menagerie, and when implemented, should be included in the same section as them. ~Farlo Talk 07:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Another good point. Those other items have been confirmed to NOT be part of GWB, so why are they even listed on this page? It is seriously ridiculous to have them listed on the page as "the following items are not part of GWB even though they were released after the campaigns." We might as well add the bonus mission pack to that list, as well as MOX, the Igneous Summoning Stoneand even Dhuum. Just because they were released AFTER the campaigns does NOT mean they are part of GWB. GWB has been defined as "an ongoing campaign that expands upon the Guild Wars storyline by focusing on key characters and historical events that shape the world in the years leading up to Guild Wars 2." In what way do the Zquests, the Traveler, and Embark Beach meet that criteria? They do not expand upon the Guild Wars storyline, nor do they focus on key characters involved in shaping the GW2 world. --Musha 14:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

When the GWB article was created, ANet was using the term GWB in blogs/interviews, but not on their official announcements. People here attempted to put together a list of things that they thought fit a category of elements that seemed designed to maintain interest in GW1, without reaching the level of a campaign/expansion. Now that ANet is making fuller use of the term...and now that they seem to be using it in the narrow sense of gap-bridging/expanded-lore content, maybe you are right that we should revamp the article accordingly.

However, I don't think it's crazy to leave things alone because, in-game, many players (though not all) use GWB more informally and include the new UW, the new Nicks, and so forth.

There are also many players who have completed WiK/Thack & Gwen/etc, but have never heard of Guild Wars Beyond. These include folks who have returned to GW1 after long absences, but also those who don't bother reading the wiki as religiously as some of us, don't visit guru, and don't follow tweets/blogs from ANet. If not this article, I'd like to find some other way of helping them see what's new and important, without having to sort through every single game update.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Musha's just wasting words on this topic. The Entire point of Embark & 7-heroes is to address grouping issues that arose with WiK content... hence why it was in that blog. And everything since Linsey's first content update involving Storage increases has been Expansion content beyond E.o.t.N. that was in no way compulsory to previous paid-for content. Therefore everything that added new features or removed them (HB & PvP hench) has been "Beyond" content as well. We're free to ignore that fact on this Wiki too I guess, but only b/c no one from Anet will talk to us anymore about it, atleast not directly on the wiki. IE: make any assumption you damn well please b/c it's not gonna be confirmed or denied either way. --ilr 20:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

On a completely random note: Full hero party means UW is going to be so easy now. Lol. --BriarThe Spider 08:32, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

lol, I know. I actually made a note that they'd need to limit some area's hero limits for balancing when I got that question on their survey. I just wonder whether or not they'll do it? ~Reez 16:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

"Hero parties are for anywhere you can already use Heroes. If you've unlocked them, you can use them. It would only hurt us to limit Hero parties to coming out of one outpost. " - QFE ... now let the speculation begin on whether this is partially motivated by GW2's development schedule < / > --ilr 05:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

There's not much to speculate on - GW2's development schedule doesn't impact us, the Live Team is a completely separate entity. We're off in our own part of the building, and it's pretty awesome there. And when I say "awesome", I mean "Joe has EVA units on his desk doing the Kamina pose," kind of awesome. So the biggest motivating factor for it happening is just that it's something that I wanted added to the game because I think Heroes/Embark are going to be helpful to different types of players at this stage of the game's life. John Stumme 04:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey john can you release the storage panes for free now that linsey is gone? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, after all the rest of us actually spent money to get them. Good idea! --Musha 07:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

No, Name Change needs to be free, some of us have VERY bad names. --'Mai Yi' talk 13:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)