Talk:Nicholas the Traveler/Archive 3

New location

Melandrus Hope collecting 1 amber per gift.

On GWGuru they have people saying differently. Provide proof. Karate Jesus 15:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone has screenshots of him in Zehlon reach collecting Skalefin soup. Can anyone confirm? Karate Jesus 15:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, staring at him now, Zehlon Reach 1 Bowl of Skalefin Soup per gift Magua 15:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll45/fiberglassmonkey/gw441.jpg Thrain Talk 15:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Nicolas must have a huge problem with skales. That mo' fo' is killing them off like crazy. Gogo easy farming week! Karate Jesus 15:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well it ain't just Nick. There are just too many of the prolific critters... (not that there aren't other anoyingly prolific critters. <frown/>) --Max 2 16:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed Manassas 15:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

So, Mr. IP 68.

What is the epic rant going to be about this time? I do enjoy your posts. They lighten up my day sometimes. Looking forward to seeing what you post! --I'm the best at what i do, and i get my party killed! ^_^ 15:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Yaaaay Mr. 68~!! 76.114.80.153 11:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Constant vandalism & false information

If I was a sysop on this site I would put a big sign up saying STOP WITH FUCKING ARTICLE ALREADY all up on this page, protect the fuck out of it and then dance around naked to Bite Me by the Electric Six whilst shouting I AM THE FIRE TIGER as loud as possible. But hey, that's just me. --Jette 15:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I second the protecting of this page. I fully believe in admins that they can keep it up to date. It's damn annoying when people add total bullshit information here, have edit/revert wars etc. - J.P.Talk 20:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Third. It's easy enough to protect the page from bullshit. And it's usually confirmed on guru w/in an hour. Karate Jesus 20:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Fourth. Looking at the history for the article gives me a headache with the amount of utter crap that makes its way up there. -- Timeoffire45 20:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

There's a similar discussion in the #Vandalism section above. --Silver Edge 01:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I say just permanently semi-protect it. 90ish% of the vandalism come from IP's. Today it seemed it was mainly just one repeatedly. And sometimes there are non-sense things added to the talk page throughout the week, so semi-protecting the talk page would help as well. So I say fifth'd. -- Azazel the Assassin/talk 02:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

6th --Riddle 02:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with protting the talk page. That at least gives IPs an outlet to communicate and often it is IPs who are the first with the correct information. And it's not really the talk page that is the issue. --JonTheMon 02:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It's semi-protected now. Fine by me. - J.P.Talk 02:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Do the self-elected dictators of the internet have a problem with talking on a talk page?

Back in line, Citizen. --Jette 21:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

back to 4chan

They banned me and my entire town for writing a viral script that posts its own source code repeatedly, instructing users to copy the shit, paste it in notepad, save it as a .js file and then execute it. I intended it as a joke, but so many idiots fell for it the whole site went down. —Jette 04:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Lrn2proxy

Farming

If anyone's interested, you can just go to Fahrunar, The First City and AoE the crap out of the low-level skale that are bunched near the city's entrance. I've already put the guide on PvX. Easy farming week. Everyone enjoy! Karate Jesus 15:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Would Skale Fins from pre-searing work? :P 83.163.0.32 17:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. Karate Jesus 17:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

IIRC (90% certainty) it did not work when I tried it some time ago... (I wanted to have a supply of the soup on hand for a quest.) --Max 2 17:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ug and i was getting sick of skale farming. But this shouldnt be too bad at 2 per gift instead of 5. Having 2 accounts is enough, cant imagine people with many more then that. Justice 18:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Some people farm it for the money, rather than just for themselves. And it doesn't take long. I've spirit spammed my way to 40 Soups already. Karate Jesus 18:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't help but wonder what skalefin soup would taste like. --Jette 04:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yuck! :S - J.P.Talk 04:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Never tried it? It takes like chicken and beef in a soup. Really good. -- Azazel the Assassin/talk 05:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for suggesting Fahrunar, Karate Jesus. Easily got all the fins I needed =] ☼ Kasei 05:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Aye, same here. Thanks. -- calor (talk) 05:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Easy Farm was Easy indeed, i think I even got more dye than skale fins, lol. - Chrisworld 07:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

/agree! more dye and enough Skale Tooths to re-equip a whole army of skales #-.- but still took me about 20 runs to get my 20 fins together by solo-farming with my ele. i guess i am just not lucky... ~ Dragon 13:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I found fighting them solo south of spamadan at b harbor to yeild about 2-3 per run of those level 11 enemys... MrPaladin talk 13:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Nick Speaks once more

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Random or Pattern?

Ok, maybe I am still a little unclear on this, but is it possible that he will fall into a pattern eventually or should I go on the basis that it is completely random. Because if it is a pattern, it could be an incredibly long time before it loops (taking into consideration that the number would be something like: # of items excluding Weapons, runes, and armor multiplied by # of explorable areas across all campaigns...)

While not exactly infinite, at a different one per week, it seems a bit ridiculous. Anyway, another thing is: what would be the given probability that a Mursaat Token will show up next? (I will see if I can calculate that out using a modified formula to what I posted above...) Amazing Steve 21:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok... I have done out the first calculation that I gave:

• # of items X # or explorable areas = approx. 61069 possible combinations
• taking that number, and dividing that by the number of weeks in a year:
• 61,069 / 52 = 1174.40 years until potential loop.

That is an improbable time frame for GW 1 to stay on-line so I answer my own question and say: it is random. If anyone has any corrections to this, please tell me... Amazing Steve 21:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

It could be a random pattern :) --Arduin 21:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it is a pattern but not every possible item in every possible explorable area, for the most part area and item seem linked so i would say one appearance in each explorable lowering the total number quite a bit, some explorables may not be included at all specifically some in prophesies lowering the total possible appearances further. Another possibility is that he has say 2-5 appearances in each region excluding the Mists, Depths of Tyria and maybe the Realm of Torment; as this comes out with a more reasonable number around 51 or 52 so a one year cycle. -- Tenri 02:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

@Steve: are you arguing that there's no material difference between a repeating pattern based on all items/locations and a random pattern? Sure. However, Nick has only appeared 16 times. By contrast, establishing a pattern for Nick Sanford took over 50 appearances; we have yet to establish patterns in zaishen missions (54 appearances since last reset) and bounties (ditto). So, we need much more data.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Your calculation is completely flawed, as most trophies are collected only in areas where they drop, which cuts the number of combinations very very significantly. Materials and quest items (like juni berries) are exceptions, as they can be used anywhere, but those are also a very small part of his list so far. Not to say that a loop through all of them is still in the GW1 timeframe, but just sayin'... Rose Of Kali 02:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is a bis soon for much speculation. Anyway if there are repeats in the pattern it will take over a year to establish an actual pattern unless we have already seen over half of his pattern, without repeats we need to have seen about a third of his pattern for it to be shorter than a year. -- Tenri 02:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess you are right, we don't have enough data yet. @Rose of Kali; i was basing my "everything anywhere" theory on the juni berry one, where you got them in NF and he was in Kaineg City in Factions. Completely different locations. Buy you guys are right, I just need to be patient. Amazing Steve 04:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I believe there are two types of his behavior: One for L20 areas where Nicolas will ask for local drop. And one for < L20 areas where he acts much more randomly and usually demands something more unusual ranging from materials to obscure quest items in order to make it a bit more challenging. Kaineng can be considered <L20 area in explorable where he appeared (players will ding their L20 there), so he asked for something weirder. Zweistein 07:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Look, the dialogue at least has to be hand crafted for each situation, so it is definitely not simply some random selection of trophies or what-have-you... --Max 2 13:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Though by far, as established, we lack any amount of data to say for sure, I believe Nicholas is based on two things: 1) One item per explorable area, this may or may not include the Underworld, Fissure of Woe, Realm of Torment areas, and Tombs/explorable HoH. This would mean, if accurate, that not every trophy is used - and of the materials he uses, I think it is safe, though not definite, to say he only takes the craftable rare materials, while for the quest items, he only takes quest items from repeatable quests. Thus again, reducing the "possibles" of stabkable items. 2) I think the programming for Nicholas the Traveler is the same as Nicholas Sandford and (seemingly) the three Zaishen Quests - it only makes sense to have the programming the same as Nicholas Sandford, at least. That's just my two cents. -- Azazel the Assassin/talk 14:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe to us, its all random but obviously anet probably has a database of where he appears at certain weeks and every week rolls over he goes to the next location. Now I do wonder though.. what if you are standing near him when he changes locations does he just disappear?.- Chrisworld 23:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Linsey's post implies that it's at least not entirely random. --136.142.214.19 18:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

10 August

Now what the heck is this suppose to mean? :\ Jonny10 15:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Collecting nada in arbor bay. 24.182.202.169 15:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Time to go get the drops from everything in the zone and see if any of them actually work... 99.154.122.23 15:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

lolwtf? --King Of Kamelott 15:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Its Krait skins btw --King Of Kamelott 15:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Nick has a riddle this week. Or my guess is that Anet didn't expect us to find him so fast Sparky Sharkinu 15:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

(constant edit conflict) Looks like either John or Joe didn't do their job fully. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I wonder if bringing whatever he wants will still make him collect it. Edit: Oh goodie, he does collect if Kamelott isn't lying. -- 71.194.78.130 15:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

No, I am lying (Sowwee) --King Of Kamelott 15:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks to much like a "Still needs filling in" line to me Jonny10 15:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

There'll be an update later that introduces skale spawns to Arbor Bay -Rose

he just took 3 of my krait skins

He accepts 3 krait skins even though it does not say what he wants --Bellando Mara 15:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I confirm that information too, tested myself. Elephant 16:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems like he's bugged, my client kept closing itself while in Arbor Bay everywhere else seemed fine =/ 81.106.16.151 17:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I had no problems farming in the Bay Area or speaking to Nick. (His dialogue wasn't updated as of 11 am PT, though).   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

( somewhat disappointed. I only check page to find where he is (if not found him myself) and I look forward to his little chat. none now. *sob*Nizab 20:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I just checked after this new update just now, and he's gone. 72.64.10.135 23:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, didn't log in. Thrain Talk 23:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe they just changed it. Should have handed it in when I saw him earlier but wanted to wait for hubby. Well, has anyone found his new location? ☼ Kasei 00:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed he is moved... can a registered user change his location back to unknown, and maybe mention in trivia the mess up :) 12.187.200.112 00:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I'd change it, but I'm not Wiki-smart. Thrain Talk 00:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

No, dudes, wait a bit. I don't think he's moved, they probably just removed him for some time to fix the bug ... -- 85.216.95.108 00:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

They wouldn't say "Nicholas the Traveler is now in his correct location." if they just removed him. I've been looking in Arbor Bay for about an hour, and no dice.Tasiden 01:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't see him either..I sure hope they don't change his collectables.Lillith Flame 01:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

heard a rummor hes near sifhalla dk if its stil same drops tho69.118.254.55 02:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I have check Drakkar Lake, nothing.Wasga

Nothing in Jaga Morgaine either. 66.215.83.191 03:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

A person in my alliance said he's in Wilderness of Bahdza. --Silver Edge 03:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed. He is trading 2 Behemoth Hides per gift. Wasga 03:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Location --> Directly east. --Craz1 03:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Just checked myself, he's there. --Jonsolo

And even further conformation from guru: 2606 and 2614 - Chrisworld 03:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

FOUND in Wilderness of Bahdza. collecting 2 behemoth hides —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tucksterz (talk • contribs) at 03:57, August 11, 2009 (UTC).

Confirmed. Dialogue and Map. Sardaukar 04:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

SO, are those that already handed in krait skins able to get more gifts? Thrain Talk 04:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

If you already traded Nicholas you cannot do it again. Wasga 04:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

So how come Nick moved today mr IP 68? I would like to hear? Did the escape from Istan not go right and they followed you the entire way? Hahh - [Chrisworld] 04:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

THANKS ANet, for letting me get home from work, farm for three hours, and then tell me to load a "fixed" build that neutralized all the effort I put into it. Hope you enjoyed my money, since you won't be getting any more of it :P

ohhh plz... you knew he was bugged from the beginning... I'm not surprised he is moved, jsut keep the skins for when that location is fixed and shows up... 12.187.200.112 04:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are the Behemoths to farm from, they are in several locations Behemoth Gravebane Scytheclaw Behemoth. All we need is a good farming build or strategy to farm them and were in business. - [Chrisworld] 04:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

This did not make me happy!!! In actuality there were 2 opportunities for SOME players to get to Nick today!! Nice going...(insert large sloppy raspberry here)Lillith Flame 05:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

apparently if you turned in the krait skins (as I did), you can't get 2nds by turning in behemoth hides. I got 2, but Nicholas won't deal. Pity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.100.108.18 (talk • contribs) at 06:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC).

NICE job A_NET this must be your way of getting people to buy anet2 ops GW2. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.109.175.196 (talk • contribs) at 07:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC).

Yup, that's twice they effed us now with an update changing his location.

For one thing, Nick has not changed locations due to an update before. You're thinking of zquests. For another, no one got "effed". If you turned in krait skins, you got your gifts. If you farmed krait skins but didn't turn them in, you now have them for whenever Nick does want them, and in the meantime you've got the rest of the week to get behemoth hides. If you never even noticed the whole krait skins thing, just farm behemoth hides as normal. You're complaining over nothing. - Tanetris 10:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

ANet just turned the Monday farming event into some kind of anti-event. They really p'd off a number of people who were dumb enough to grind and farm skins, and were then minutes to late to exchange their stocks - just like me ... How very, very stupid in terms of product promotion. Thanks ANet for making me soundly regret every single minute I spent here and not in RL - very educational. Yours - 85.216.95.108 11:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Except when Krait Skins is the item, maybe a few weeks from now, maybe a few months, whenever it may be, you'll already have them and can get your gifts without farming. Meaning the effort isn't wasted in the slightest. The payoff isn't instant, but it's still the exact same payoff. - Tanetris 11:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this is a subtle hint to purchase additional storage tabs from the online store, since... you never know when those trophy items might come in handy. lol ~~000.00.00.00~~ 11:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

No dude, wrong marketing - we are not that stupid. --85.216.95.108 12:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, while not particularly angry, I must say this is a setback. And when I hear people saying "Keep it, you'll already have it..." Do you have the slightest idea how many collectibles there is in this game? If I was to keep every single one of them, I'd have to buy 20-30 slots to keep all the loot. And by the way, there's no way to know if he'll ever ask for those skins again... I just hope all the mistakes made by Anet during the lasts months are caused by their full investment in GW2. (Talking about the XTH being off-line, the rewards not given properly, the Z quests changing midway, and now this). - Meredy Redleaf 12:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Last time the zq changed, but nobody "got screwed." If you got the old quest, you do the old zquest. Look, whatever they did last time, they fixed for this time (note zq didn't have a problem yesterday). Oversights happen, I'm sure checking the zq was put on the to-check list, I'm sure Nicholas will be now too. 71.146.69.63 16:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

you have gt to be taking the piss with a new location and now new items he wants, i didnt spend fucking hours last night collecting fr him to then see hes been fucking moved and nw i gotta spend hours AGAIN

People are threatening to not get GW2 because Nicholas the Traveler moved? Of all the possible things they could be vehemently upset over, they chose that? Woo, drama. --Goteki-45 12:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

/agree. Good LOL, thank you ranters. (come on, it was a stupid location in the first place, as SoO is constantly ran and would have spotted Nicky boy within minutes if not seconds of appearing, plus was easy farm, easy run, blah, blah, blah) – josəph 13:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow they broke Nick then fixed him again get over it, I would laugh if Nick is in Arbor next week and you'd have made morons out of yourselves for nothing 81.106.16.151 13:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

haha yeah, it's actually highly possible. his location is ready and set, just need to add some nice "trophy greet text here" :D anyway, is it only me, or does this text remind you of Portal? :) Tazeru 18:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

According to Linsey: "No resetting of the system in this case. His list of locations just got a little jumbled. Arbor Bay wasn't supposed to show up for another year-ish which would explain why the final text for it wasn't in that file." --Silver Edge 18:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Dangit... I had 11 skins which I already had stored in my inventory... Needed 4 more. And then he wasn't really supposed to be collecting them. Just my luck, lol. 85.19.140.9 19:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

LAWL, another YEAR? - 69.248.175.25 19:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Nicholas reset

In light of the recent botch-up, some doubts can be cast on this article's accuracy. Supposedly Nic resets when he changes location, which would suggest that people who were fast enough yesterday could get gifts from him in Arbor Bay first, and the Wilderness later. Not been able to confirm this myself, but a friend of mine said he'd gotten his gifts with Krait Skins and could not get additional gifts off him with Behemoth Hides. I think the article should reflect the weekly reset, rather than the current "when he moves" notice. -- Elv 20:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice observation sir/madam --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.193.113.198 (talk).

Just to clarify - He did not reset when he moved. I obtained 5 gifts via Krait skins early Monday, and then was not able to receive any more after he had moved to any location in Wilderness. I would assume that he does in fact reset his "gift count" at the prescribed time every week.69.249.223.63 16:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Another move...

It seems Nicholas has moved again [1]. Still in Wilderness, just a different location. --Arduin 21:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I just lol'd. - Reanimated X 21:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

How come they fail so bad (sorry, but i had to say it)? This is not funny anymore. - J.P.Talk 21:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Added map. --Arduin 21:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Nicholas the Traveler has moved to a more scenic location, where his view is not blocked by a large rock. Now his view is blocked by a column : http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/535/gw774.jpg. Just a matter of choice. Elephant 22:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

http://i28.tinypic.com/v7xsgh.jpg .. http://i28.tinypic.com/2h4md1k.jpg LAWL - 69.248.175.25 01:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Must be pretty boring to stand around there for the remainder of the week just looking at the same ol' view. Oh well, whatever rocks his boat, and I get mah pressies... 85.19.140.9 22:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

He has Yakkington to touch, etc. That keeps him happy. --Alex Eternal 22:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

If you think this is a fail J.P., you should spend some time in a Funcom game. They would have stuck him IN the rock and not moved him for weeks. What ANet did in this instance is not fail but good management. --Clobimon Craiggy 15:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm thinking that you must have a thick hide and a very sunny look on life in general being able to withstand all this down talk. As a good saying goes: yes! but do you want some cheese with that W(h)ine?! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Nizab (talk).

Fail and then good management. Forgiveness is good but so is responsibility. Bye --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.193.113.198 (talk).

Nick discusses Things

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17 August

On guru is a screen that he collect wallow tusks and hes at pongmei valley!:p (don't know how u create a new topic just clicked edited, feel free to remove it :) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Seiferke (talk).

17 August.. pongmay valley... sry for no sign --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.210.226.105 (talk).

Confirmed. 2 Rot Wallow Tusks, ill get a pic soon as possible. Da Sonic 15:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

That is cool, give us the map soon, mate. ^^ — Ciborg 15:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

File:User-Da Sonic Nick the Traveler.jpg there we go screw trying to find out how to put a link, i give up Da Sonic 15:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

To me it sounds like yakkingtons gonna die. no more mini yakkingtons! stock up now! ;D Da Sonic 16:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Pah, I'd be so lucky. I always get the consumables ¬_¬ --smøni 16:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Nah, Yakkington won't die. The spot in Arbor Bay was intended for in a year, Yakkington was there. It's just a "close to death experience" (or Nicholas used a resurrection signet). -- Azazel the Assassin/talk 17:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

noone dies in this game... cept Gwens mom... MrPaladin talk 17:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Poor yaxington - Chrisworld 18:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

what a bout master togo and prince rurik?70.75.160.134 14:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

They are nobodies - thus they die. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 14:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually they were both important, but both had the exact same role: the father figure who first took our (young and inexperienced) characters and helped them grow, dying so our characters would go from followers to leaders. I was expecting Komir to die, given how she began Nightfall doing the same thing, so it was a surprise to learn what happens to her. Erasculio 15:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I lol'd thankyou for that

Nick's Latest Diabolical Plot

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location 24 august

just heard he's in Tahnakai Temple collecting 3 jade bracelets, intel not yet confirmed though ~ Sanna 16:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd doubt it, but I'll take a look--Derv Who Likes To 16:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Confirm, Tahnakai Temple, near Imperial Guardsman Yang; Jade Bracelets. Clan Yumemiru 16:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

He is! He's expectly next to Yang --92.22.29.182 16:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Confirm, I got bite marks from yakkington as proof--Derv Who Likes To 16:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

confirmed here also -24.98.91.215 16:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Both him and the professor are turned around backwards facing the wall. Flipper 16:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess that means someone put him in timeout. Mabye for plotting against the emperor. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.81.80.97 (talk).

This user thinks Imperial Guardsman Yang is the most out of the way quest-giving NPC in the game.

Blame Tanetris --snograt 16:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Can ya shadowstep to him? MrPaladin talk 17:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

God, I hope so. Also, are they facing a wall again? Karate Jesus 17:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't shadowstep to him, and yes he's facing a wall, I just added the dialogue to the dialogue page too.

Damn and damn. We're going to have to play "hide & seek" with him again this week :/ Karate Jesus 17:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yer I'm gonna slow my roll on collecting the bracelets... tho last time he was moved for facing wrong it was the same map with the same item MrPaladin talk 17:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Plan B

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Aug 31 Nicholas error

LOL Noggieca 15:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It is 2 Quetzal Crests. FOr now at any rate.74.173.107.209 16:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed ... 2 crests Manassas 16:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Lol QA team. Karate Jesus 16:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

They're really screwing up with him tbh. --neshot 16:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Last time it happened lindsey said he wasnt supposed to be there for a year-ish. probably same thing this time *sigh*. Seems they have something corrupting the files every so often and messing him up. Betting he moves later or they fix the text. 12.77.26.167 16:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Me and a guildie are debating whether it's even worth bothering to get them because he'll most likely just disappear and the item he's supposed to collect could be easier to farm. --neshot 16:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Considering what happened last time, I'm just gonna hold off and see what Anet does. 85.19.140.9 16:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

yep... hang out a few hours before commiting to the farm... I mean we have all week either way... MrPaladin talk 16:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Or start farming in the area and immediately trade in as soon as you have two.. poke | talk 16:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah but while there a quite a few around there they dont drop very well ;) I for one will hold on aswell and just enjoy the chat in Tarnished Heaven and ppl trying to sell them for 2k each lol. Or they just remove Nicholas for like 8 months to "investigate" the bug. --SilentStorm 17:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

"Or they just remove Nicholas for like 8 months to "investigate" the bug."

Lol, and then say that he may or may not come back. Depending on whether or not they can get him to stop facing walls. :/ Karate Jesus 17:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that and depending on wether they managed to make him tell what he wants or not... --SilentStorm 17:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

He'll just end up like the XTH. --neshot 17:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Oneshot, that was what we were alluding to. But thank you for spelling it out for our tired or mentally deficient users :D by the way, I'm just kidding Karate Jesus 17:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I'm tired. =P That's the second time I've used that excuse with you in the past 20mins or something... --neshot 17:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh boy...*waiting for location update*☼ Kasei 06:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Aug. 31st update: "Nicholas the Traveler is no longer depressed, making him much more responsive." XD 68.118.255.219 20:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

LOLWHUT?! what the hell is this supposed to do? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.238.148.51 (talk).

User:Halogod35/Depressed ;)| 72 {U|S|T|C} - 14:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I find it highly amusing that Nicolas wants to help vael do some subtle covert and peacekeeping operations with the Tengu by getting us to hack bits off of other Tengu. I mean, makes perfect sense right? --Ckal Ktak 15:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Vael the Meddler

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Are we gonna find Nick or not?

Come on people lets find Nick!74.173.107.209 15:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

He's in Tangle Root according to Guru [2]. No word on what he's collecting. Karate Jesus 15:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

He's collecting 3 Jungle Troll Tusks per gift. Karate Jesus 15:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed, Jungle Troll Tusks, i took a screenie but i dunno how to upload it. 74.210.50.20 16:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

From Guru linkNoggieca 16:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Crispin: Member #3

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Faster Map

the map shown on the page isnt the fastest way to get to the traveller, if you go right out of henge of denravi and around, you take half the time. id post the map, but i cant at the minute. can somebody else do it? Death By An Arrow 21:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The path Death By An Arrow recommends also avoids the pesky pop-ups, and goes through a larger qty of jungle trolls, btw, so it's better in a couple of ways. -- FreedomBound 14:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I will update my map to include that route later. poke | talk 15:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

By a level 20 character with max armor (which is everyone who messes with nick) should have no problem walking past the enemys on short route... MrPaladin talk 15:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Sept 14, 2009

Let the hunt begin 98.220.126.160 14:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Lets wait one more hour --Sharkinu*Ding!* 14:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL yeah close though 24.125.43.32 14:53, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I just spotted him in outcrops but then he dissapeared :s --81.246.129.186 16:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Nick was already there a few months ago. If he was at the hallowed point, maybe you saw some leftover visual glitch or something. Can't imagine he'd be collecting masks again. Flipper 16:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Guru is saying Kessex Peak collecting 2 minotaur horns per gift. I'm waiting on an image to verify before updating. Karate Jesus 16:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

If it is Minotaurs, yay for more spirit farming easiness! Karate Jesus 16:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Can't farm minos with spirits cuz of wary stance - just tried it ~AH~

Spiritleech Aura is a staple skill for MOST spirit farmers. If you use Spiritleech with Painful Bond they'll die in just a few seconds. Use one or both of those skills and it'll work. Karate Jesus 17:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I use http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Any/Rt_Spirit_Farmer with PB and spiritleech, but if the attacks are blocked/miss those skills don't come into play ~AH

I've been Spirit farming, and you're right that blocked attacks don't count, but I'm still getting plenty of horns pretty quickly. Wary stance does wear off and they don't activate it right away, so you should be fine. Karate Jesus 18:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

maybe HM was my problem xD, it works in nm, just not as easy as trolls ~AH

Yea, just NM it. White items have the same drop rate in both (and you're right, trolls were easier). Please remember to sign as well. Karate Jesus 19:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Nicholas Says Hello

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Foreign language bug note

I've updated the foreign language bug note to be generic (not specific to any particular week):

• ANet has consistently missed many/all of the non-English translations on Mondays.
• They usually (but not always) correct it in a mid-week update.

I think the obligation is on ANet to get the translations out on time rather than to have players notice the missing text, report it, and update the note 2x/weekly. Once ANet is back to getting all of Nick's text right every week, we can remove the note entirely.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

They made it this time :) poke | talk 15:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Yea! Let's see if they can do it two weeks in a row before removing the note. (I think it's been 2 months since that has happened.)   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:23, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

He's found

*Anvil Rock, 2 Frostfire Fangs/Per Gift. - credit to KSzabo --Find And Seek 15:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Surprised at how regularly the fangs are dropping, just got 6 in a 5 minute run, from the mobs in the East of Anvil Rock.Kevio 16:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow thats bizzar...did frost gate zm the other day and was thinking, frost dryders would make a good one. They are actually kinda tougher to solo compared to other monsters of their lvl. if they are even in small groups their hexes and Shadow Strike can cut you down fast. Justice 18:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, this is funny. One of my current side-projects is making suggestive dialogues for the Prophecies Collector (i.e., I'm making dialogues for them for the Live Team to use if they want), and the dialogue for Norin Stonegrimm was studying Dryder's fangs. Now Nicholas is doing such. I'm just chuckling a little bit here. -- Konig/talk 20:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Nicholas Speaks

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Another Missive

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New location (2)

Just got the new location, in Old ascalon near Sardelac Sanitarium. Going West from grawl necklace collector Palben Tunne, right outside the cave of Shalev the Hermit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.106.80.153 (talk • contribs) at 15:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC).

We need some confirmation before adding (I'm at work and can't do it >.<) Karate Jesus 15:42, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

it's true, I just found him there too - I'll see if I can upload a pic here before anyone else does. Future 15:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Get what he's collecting too, if you can. Karate Jesus 15:46, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

[[3]] <- map - he wants 3 common-variety lodestones (his words!) Future 15:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

scorched lodestones, 3x gift --93.40.109.215 15:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

lol lodestones. Great week for farmers. Karate Jesus 15:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

CONFIRMED

Is there a reason he's facing a wall again, or is it just another lolQAteam? Karate Jesus 17:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Btw, do we add bug notes when Nic faces a wall? Karate Jesus 17:17, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

No, we wait for ANet to interrupt my 80-win lameway streak to fix a problem that barely even qualifies as a problem. I don't bother playing PvP from Monday until Wednesday because of how many times they have to fix this loser. —Jette 17:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess nick is looking through the dirt for the lodestones this time around ... there's always a logical explanation for this XD ... Sneaker 17:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I doubt they'll move him, given his location doesn't directly contradict his text (i.e. this time he's not proclaiming the virtue of his view, when facing a large rock). -- FreedomBound 17:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm having a hard time figuring out why the devs can't just face him in a direction besides the wall every goddamn week. Why is this so hard for them? Karate Jesus 17:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

They just won't test these things. They just throw things in -.- - J.P.Talk 17:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Did it occur to you that for once it's actually intended? What he's looking at seems like a great place for the cairn he's talking about. Or did you stop reading past what he's collecting and just decided to rant on Anet because it's trendy these days? Rose Of Kali 17:49, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Wtf are you talking about Rose? It's obvious that he shouldn't be facing the wall. He's in a cove and you would assume that he would be facing the entrance to it, but instead he's facing a wall. I'm not ranting against Anet, I'm ranting against the lack of a QA team (wtf do they get paid for?). Karate Jesus 17:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I assume shitposting on the feedback pages and whining to Joe about problems. —Jette 18:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I have no problem with shit posting on Anet wenn you are right but I have to agree with Rose. I also think it was intended to let Nick face this way because now he is looking too the distruction of Ascalon wich comes back in his dialoge.

I think that the item this week and last week where easy btw is this part of a cycle or something??? or are we just lucky these 2 weeks? --Wysth 19:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

"8-win streak"

fixed Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә & ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ

This is win! 3 weeks of easy prophecies items. bring out the mule accounts! Jonny10 20:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Folks trying to sell his collector item this week are the lol's, even in hard mode the elementals are wweak melee enemys with no working skills 192.203.160.241 15:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks to me that he is staring not at a wall, but rather at some ruins left over from the Searing. 76.164.111.57 07:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Nick's Bad Luck

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Consensus decision to move "Nick Speaks" ?

Could someone please point me to the consensus decision that any of the Nick Speaks sections should be moved to a user page? If that decision has already been made, then, of course, I will respect it (and I apologize in advance for not being able to find it myself). If not, I would prefer that the text remain here. Thanks!   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to assume it has something to do with the fact that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the article in question and isn't funny. —Jette 10:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. It does not belong here, but it should be made into a section on the author's userpage, as many people here enjoy it. Rose Of Kali 11:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

First things first Jette that you may find something not funny doesn't mean other people agree with you. on the second part I think it has fits here because it is about Nicholas the Traveler and people are looking here for it because it has always been here since a couple of weeks now.--Wysth 18:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I have too correct myself according too Wyn it is only welcome in the userspace as she has posted hereUser talk:Aliceandsven

--Wysth 18:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

There is no consensus. But fan fictions should be in userspace, especially if not tagged as fiction. Elephant 18:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

yep, the move is fine per -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_Wiki:Formatting/Talk_pages ... it did nothing for the page and is fan fiction... 192.203.160.241 19:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it's correct that talk pages are required to be about the content on the article page. So I have no grievances with this move. However as it stands, the entire wiki is filled with trolling and other assorted talk that doesn't relate to the page's content (see every game update ever, and Jette). So while I have no grievances with the move of my talks, I have grievances against wiki policy and I will be posting my talks here anyway. You are free to move them.

Btw guys everyone give Jette your full attention, we all appreciate 4chan trolls correct? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә & ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the rationale in the policy quoted above. Stated reasons for removing/moving sections are:

"(1) clear vandalism and spam; (2) links to offensive/malicious sites; (3) includes email address; (4) includes personal info about someone else; (5) prohibited by GWW:NPA and GWW:COPYRIGHT" — clearly, these first 5 ideas do not apply.

"for archival purposes" — arguably, a few of these entries are older and might be due for archiving.

"Removal to a more appropriate talk page and marking the move using the {{moved}} template in both the source and destination pages." — As far as I can see, there's no definition of what constitutes a more appropriate talk page or when that applies. Therefore, shouldn't there be a consensus decision before such a move?

I don't see the harm (to the article, to the wiki, or to the wiki's readers) from a short post each week and the various comments it generates. Why is this content more objectionable (for talk) than the various rants that appear after every game update or the hijacked-topics on Gaile's support page? Sure, some of the material veers into the realm of fan fiction. Still, I think it's a clever idea and that people ought to be free to decide to skip it or not. (For example, I haven't read any of the entries for about a month.)   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 23:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not relevant to the Nick article, it's fanfiction, and it has no place on this talk page. -- FreedomBound 23:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The harm to it is that this is a HIGH TRAFFIC talk page, without the additional unrelated material. Fanfiction (which this is) belongs in userspace. This page is ready for it's 3rd archive in 4 months. That's more than some articles get in a lifetime. Please just keep the fanfiction in userspace, I might not be so nice as to just move it in the future. -- Wyn talk 00:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed with Wyn. We document the game, and when talk pages like this one become nothing more than a forum, something needs to change. Also, fan fiction has never been allowed in main space articles because it isn't part of the game we're aiming to document. -Auron 00:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

"some articles"

"everything but the fricking game updates page and shadow form"

Fixed that for you. —Jette 00:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the rules have been sometimes interpreted to allow non-content discussion and sometimes not. I respect the opinions of those who want this particular type of thread removed from this particular talk; I also see the other point of view, which is why I would have liked to see a vigorous debate about the decision. Although I'm not convinced by the arguments made so far, it seems unlikely that the decision will be discussed further (or reversed). Accordingly, I'll drop my request for a review. Thanks.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

If something is in clear violation of policy, incorrectly placed or totally irrelevant (all of which this falls into), it does not require a consensus. —Jette 02:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I understand that several/many people have found these posts amusing, and would like to see them continue. They can, just not here. I would not have a problem adding a Nick's Speaks link at the top of this page even for easy reference. The fact remains that it is fanfiction. It does not represent anything that is actually in the game and as such does not belong attached to a mainspace article. I understand that there are all sorts of misplaced rants/topics throughout this wiki, and I would love to see them all moved/removed so that the talk pages could serve the purpose they are intended to, to discuss the content of the article. I however am not going to comb through each and every page looking for them. This is a rather in-your-face example, as this page does get such a high volume of traffic on a weekly basis. In a perfect world, there would be no forum-like topics on any page of the wiki anywhere, but this community doesn't seem to have the ability to make that distinction. -- Wyn talk 09:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that the problem wil be solved if you put a link on the top of the page Wyn if you would be so kind. I think we can be lucky that we dont live in a perfect world though. It would save much problems but also creat much more that maybe are worse.--Wysth 15:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't even think the nick speeks stuff is good fan fiction. I might make my own nick fan fiction more inline with what I think his character is. 68 or a&s always painted a rather grim picture of a nice guy... 192.203.160.241 15:41, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I like the clever link-at-top compromise suggested by Wyn, as it allows people to choose to read or not. (Plus, it neatly separates any concerns about changes to the status quo without consensus; those can be discussed in a more appropriate area.)   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that Fan Fiction should belong at all on a wiki. A wiki is for information, not story telling. I feel that if someone wants to do a story tell on Nick or any other character. Should create a blog (there's lots of freebies) and post it there, then link it to their page with ease. Saves a lot in the long run. ♥ Ariyen ♀ 18:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

192.203 I have said this many times too other people too just because you dont think it is good and nice and fits to Nicholas, other people have to agree with you. I for instance read the story every week and enjoy them very much not only because the are totaly not Nick but also because I admire mister 68 for the creativitie. So everyone please stop crapping about the stories beeing bad you dont have too agree with me but with the new system you dont have too read them anymore either.--Wysth 20:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Let me be pretty clear. It's obvious you haven't visited many wikis. I have. Wikipedia, Star trek wikis, This one, Etc. visited many. NONE of those have their "Fan Fiction" With their facts about the character and the Discussions aka talk pages remains About the Character it's self. No Stories. People use their Own User Pages to post Links to their Stories. Those places have NO Problems. People Like to read the stories, but that's what LINKS are for. Link from the discussion page to the user page to their own sites on the stories. No Prob lingo. So yes, Many would have a problem reading a long list of 'Crap' inside the discussion page that has NO relation to the main page, except using the character name in a story. A problem solved would be Links. Someone could say something Reasonable like 'I have a link on my page to stories, where this character's name is used. etc.' They could visit person's page, then stories. Saves room from reading a long list of stuff on a discussion page of a character. With Sysops, they're having to "move" these stories from discussions to user talk pages. It's creating a lot of scrolling either way, basically... that's what's gonna happen if this continues... Scrolling, and then archiving making people mad even still that they couldn't read their stories, etc. or making others mad having to 'scroll' a lot just to discuss something else. Hence, A blog, website, etc. to post stories on would save hassles from both sides. I like reading stories, but at the same time. I feel that there's needs too in that there are other things that may need to be discussed, whether it be in a talk page of a character or a user's talk page. Doesn't this make sense? ♥ Ariyen ♀ 21:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC)