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Gods and Statues[edit]

Can you take a look at the following and give me some input? I don't want them to be redundant to each other.

Thanks :) Fall 07:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I've replied at Talk:Statue. Basically, I think it's fine to either put the a combined list in Statue or have them separately on the god pages. The Statue of Balthazar and such can do a simple redirect to either one, thus doing away with the question as to whether the navbar for statues is needed or not. -- ab.er.rant sig 07:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Would you find this page Sample Balthazar Page acceptable to replace the current Balthazar page? I have added all the info i can think of. Fall 17:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I tweaked the section headers to follow wiki convention. On the whole, it's more than acceptable :) -- ab.er.rant sig 17:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Uploaded new page to Balthazar space and did a redirect on Statue of Balthazar if everything is still acceptable I will upload the new Dwayna page also. Fall 17:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

About "Discussion on IRC" on Effect formatting[edit]

We knew it sounded very bad as soon as it was posted. We never meant our discussion on IRC had more weight than any other, just that we were a few that discussed this, and therefore can provide our reasonings if needed. Just didn't put them all up there. It was just a very bad choice of words, especially seeing the recent happenings :( - anja talk 10:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, Ab.er for that bad wording :| It's just that I like to discuss those things on IRC first (as it's faster) to be sure that my ideas are not completely rubbish. Anja is my personal adviser in those cases :] poke | talk 11:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I kinda already know what you guys meant when you said that, but it just carried with it an uncomfortable feeling so I just felt like I had to bring it up. No worries. -- ab.er.rant sig 01:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Archives[edit]

Hey there, I have a question regarding archiving on a talk page. I couldn't find the answer anywhere on wiki, so I turn to you. Is archiving the same as moving posts or an entire page? Oh, I'm talking about user talk-pages here ;-) and if not, how do you archive? I've got a few comments on my talk page I would like to archive ;-) thx for your answer =) --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 13:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

You have two possibilites: 1. You move your talk page completely to your archive place (this would keep the complete history); or 2. you simply "move" the comments you want to archive by copy&paste to your archive page. poke | talk 13:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thx a lot ;-) --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 13:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a note: The history also stays intact when using copy&paste, just at the original place instead of the archive. I'd even recommend using copy&paste over moving for that reason. --Xeeron 14:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Coolz, thx --> off to make me an archive page ^^ --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 14:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Really? I would've thought a move would be better since it preserves the history on the same page as the content... no? That's why I moved my last archive instead of copy-pasting. -- ab.er.rant sig 14:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The problem starts when you have several archives, not even to speak of topic oriented ones (like Gailes). Imagine going back to someones talk page searching for something. Much easier to have one big history than several scattered ones. --Xeeron 17:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

User Image Tagging[edit]

Sorry about not tagging a lot of them for deletion which weren't under the correct name, I was mainly looking if the file was in use and tagging as user, I will go back through the user image category slowly my main goal was to clear out the 3k+ images in the Special:Uncategorizedimages section to make it maintainable Fall 08:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Whoa there, take your time :) You don't have to go through the whole lot all at once. Sooner or later someone who knows about the naming will notice (like I did) and tag it :P But in any case, thanks for all that tagging. -- ab.er.rant sig 08:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Heh ya it was a bit, when I first started I noticed at the end it was 4600ish but I don't know how many other people tagged, I just feel kinda bad for the admins now you guys got a lot in Category:Candidates_for_deletion :P Fall 08:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Some time ago we had ~1200 images tagged for deletion.. So don't worry, we can handle that much :P poke | talk 09:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Search Updates?[edit]

Hi, I am working on fixing up the "mystery pet" pages, namely the Panda, Crane, Pygmy Hippopotamus and the Dune Lizard and I wanted to find out when the update which changed the Crane's crest colour took place so I can add a note on the Crane's page. Could you please tell me if you know a way to search through archives using a search function to make this job easier? Thanks for your time. Dancing Gnome 14:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

you can press crtl+f (at least using mozilla) to open a text search panel. open all the archives, type in "crane", and it will show you if that word is used on the page. idk if there's something faster. - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 14:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried that and searched several of the archives from 2006 since factions was introduced and didn't come up with anything. I think it might have been a stealth update. Dancing Gnome 17:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
It was, iirc. It was quite a bit of stir on the forums and wiki. - anja talk 17:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't read updates then and didnt have a crane so I never picked up on it until I was looking into these things, you cleared that up for me. Btw what does iirc mean? I've seen it a few times and can't puzzle it out. Dancing Gnome 13:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
"if I recall/remember correctly" - Tanetris 13:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Help please[edit]

I seem to be needing a lot of help with formatting tables recently and I figure it isn't fair to ask the same admin every time so now it's your turn to help me :p. So here's the problem on This Page (my userpage) the "Heroes" box starts right at the top of the page going under the character infobox, how do I stop this and make the box begin just above the "Heroes" title i.e. under the character infobox? ty Lyra Valo User Lyra Valo LVsig.jpg 16:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

i'm not sure, but maybe it's because the table and div tags on User:Lyra Valo/Lyra Valo/Heroes aren't closed. - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 16:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure of the kind of layout you're looking for but I went ahead and forced a space between your two templates. Is that what you're trying to achieve? Or were you attempting to place the "Heroes" box inside the character box right below the picture? -- ab.er.rant sig 17:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
What you did was what I had wanted, but now you say it, is it possible to put the "Heroes" box underneath the picture? Lyra Valo User Lyra Valo LVsig.jpg 17:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
sure it is. mind if i do? doesn't look like it. it's a template, so you'd need to find a bug that places it inside :) - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 17:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... I tried it with absolute positioning but it doesn't work nicely because {{Account title list}} is not a table, so it doesn't overlap properly (the account titles will cover parts of the character infobox). Here's what I did (did not save changes): Get rid of the table wrapping both templates, and wrapped your "Heroes" template inside a <div style="position: absolute; float: left; margin-left: 80px; margin-top: 450px;> and </div>. I believe if you get rid of the account titles template, it'll look fine. I didn't want to edit the account titles because it just felt risky :D also, I don't know if there's a better way to do the positioning other than absolute positioning, which may mean it won't look the same in different resolutions and browsers. -- ab.er.rant sig 02:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, tried using that code around the template with both the heroes and titles on it but it still gave me the overlapping thing Screenshot so I dunno what's up there. Lyra Valo User Lyra Valo LVsig.jpg 16:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

My div was meant to position your heroes box below the pic, which it does, but the account titles template is not a table and somehow, the background overlaps the right side of the character box. You'll need to remove the table formatting first, as in, don't put the two templates inside a table, otherwise the div won't work. -- ab.er.rant sig 00:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Signet Skill List[edit]

The Signet page is pretty much the only skill type page that lack a list. I tried adding it with the skill list template, but it doesn't work well. Lightblade 22:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

How about this one: List of signets? I'll add a link to Signet. -- ab.er.rant sig 02:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


HI[edit]

您好,能否给予一些帮助,我想向ANET传达一些信息.以及是否可以提供一下北方之眼(EN)的一些中文技能解释呢?这里是传达给ANET的一些中英文材料...谢谢.--Weillz 02:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Eye of the North skills. 问清楚一下,您是不是想我帮忙做一些skills的翻译呢? 抱歉,我是华侨,虽然说是会中文但是这对我来说可能有点的难度. 但是需要的话,我尽量帮忙. -- ab.er.rant sig 06:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
如果您有时间翻译EN的技能,我非常感谢您的帮助...中国大陆一些玩家考虑购买美服的帐号,因为大陆有谣言称美服封琐大陆IP很严重,所以我想请问相关的封锁流程以及解封的流程--Weillz 12:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
有没有封琐大陆IP,我也不清楚 -- ab.er.rant sig 13:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Usage notes for Template:X[edit]

Did you read the talk page? We're having a big discussion on whether x is unknown or no prof. :P Your opinion would be appreciated. :) - anja talk 13:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

{{Male}}[edit]

What's Template:Male for?User Ereanor sig.jpgreanor 05:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

a male icon: Male.png, e.g. for userboxes. - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 12:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

a question[edit]

Hi, I apologize for bothering you abou this but the No personal attacks page said to contact an administrator. My userpage has been vandalized on a few occasions, twice today. Is there any way I can protect my page from unwanted edits? Thanks in advance for your help. :) -- Melliechick 17:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a bother at all. I've blocked the vandal for a couple of days. I'll keep an eye of your user page. -- ab.er.rant sig 00:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you so much! :) -- Melliechick 01:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Drunkard Compromise[edit]

Thanks for taking the time to work out a solution. When I added the "How it works" section, it started with a statement that parralleled drunkeness in real life. (I have since removed it) And as it had started with a real life reference, I felt strongly it needed to end with a disclaimer. GW is played world wide, and opinions differ widely. But my experience in the USA is most people are sue happy. Anet already warns about excesive play every hour, so they have considered thier potential liability due to people who may be irresponsible. In the US if you go to a bar, drink to much, drive home - crash nad kill someone - the bartender is at fault. I took the same approach here, and after watching several people last weekend durring "Octoberfest" I was glad I had added the comment. Anyway, thanks for putting some thought into it. LeFick 15:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I can certainly understand why it should be said. I didn't really like the way the drunkard title got implemented too. And uh... can the bartender really be sued for that? I've heard of the coffee-is-too-hot one though. -- ab.er.rant sig 05:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Yep! An example However unlikely, it is possible that ANET, or even us as players, could be charged with neglegence in the event another player died as the result of imature behaviour, if we were actively involved. So, when I wrote the Drunkard How it works section, I was distancing myself from legal action in the same article section. LeFick 23:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Edits on Guild:Devils Whisper Page[edit]

Hello. Why did you remove the guild tag cleanup on this page? It clearly needs to be edited, as the images in the contact info are unnecessary and the "Favorite Profession" column is in violation of GWW:GUILDS , where it states "Note that only a list of names should be posted, not detailed information about the players." Professions can be easily added to the user's own page, and has no place in the guild page, as the "Favorite Profession" does NOT in any way convey information ABOUT THE GUILD. I shall revert back the guild cleanup tag, unless there is a valid reason why the contact info should NOT be edited. Thanks! Anita Blochob 16:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Because you misunderstood the use of the template. {{guild cleanup}} is meant for formatting concerns. If you are complaining about policy violations, please do so on the talk page and point other users to the talk page, not slap the clean up tag. -- ab.er.rant sig 16:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
And as further explanation, all he did was put in a column of "favourite profession" on his list of contacts. That's a bit too literal in your interpretation of the guideline. It's not exactly what I would describe as "detailed information" though... If he starts putting faces, age, short descriptions, quotes, etc, then there's something to complain about. -- ab.er.rant sig 16:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I use IE o_O[edit]

Your page looks fine, I'm using the most recent version of Internet Explorer. VanguardVanguard 22:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Really? It's fine on IE7? Hmm.... I must've changed something to fix it for IE :D There used to be overflow all over the place previously. Thanks for reminding me to check, I'll fix the notice, hehe. -- ab.er.rant sig 01:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
IE7! yez, thatz what I have! VanguardVanguard 17:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The only thing that should look any different (from what I can tell) is the -moz-prefaced css properties that are used, all of which are specific to the mozilla browser. Regarding overflows and such, IE7 has made tremendous strides in repairing known issues with CSS support from IE 6 (which wasn't really that bad unless you triggered quirks mode with bad markup/doctype). I always thought it looked ok, just not 100% as intended in IE (just checked it in IE6, as well). - Thulsey Zheng - talk 17:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Treasure checklist[edit]

I copied your treasure checklist to use on my lists page, I hope it was ok. :) - anja talk 12:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all. I'm sure you noticed I'm in the process of taking ideas from your page too :P -- ab.er.rant sig 14:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


Template?[edit]

Hey I saw the template you did for BlackGeneral and I really love it. Could you help me out with making something like that... you can e-mail me or msn me or something if its easier... abby is mechanicalmedusa@hotmail.com --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:MachineMedusa .

I actually don't remember making any template for BlackGeneral... but I think you meant his overall user page. I didn't actually create it for him. He just look at how I did my page and adopted the way I did it. If you'd like to use it as well, you can actually click on edit on my user page to look at my wiki code. Right at the bottom shows the templates that I included. You can copy my user pages page-by-page into your own user space save it as your own. Once you've done that, I can help you with any problems you're having. If you're also wondering about wiki code, try Help:Editing for starters. -- ab.er.rant sig 14:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Note of Thanks[edit]

I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know I have shamelessly swiped your treasure hunting chart from Anja for my userpage.... it's listed under Tools. --Go to Wynthyst's Talk page Wynthyst 08:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Heh, no problem :) -- ab.er.rant sig 00:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[1][edit]

I'm not disagreeing with the removal of the NPA, but changing it to what it previously was minus the NPA seems like an inappropriate way to do it, since you've made his userpage incoherent. A better way to remove it, imo, would be to revert the edit that changed it to NPA. Removes the NPA, but doesn't leave the userpage nonsensical. --Edru viransu 21:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Reverted. -- ab.er.rant sig 04:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Math[edit]

moved to Guild Wars Wiki talk:Requests for technical administration#Math

Jenn valefield[edit]

Noticed you have added a generic dialogue for her. This is not what I got, so I added mine. How did you get the one you listed? Backsword 03:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it was when they first appeared, before getting the quest. I didn't even realise there was a quest until I checked the wiki. -- ab.er.rant sig 13:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[2][edit]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a gibberbot. From the edits it looks like it was just a run of the mill vandal. — Eloc 03:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely not. - BeX iawtc 03:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Ooops... must've typed the wrong reason -- ab.er.rant sig 05:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it was reported as gibber on noticeboard. - BeX iawtc 05:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Yea, it wasn't exactly clear that it wasn't a vandal, but I tend to rely a lot on my browser remembering what I type in text fields :P must've selected the wrong one, heh. I've unblocked and re-blocked with the correct reason. -- ab.er.rant sig 06:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Collector armor[edit]

Hi, I just corrected your edits on those Armor collectors as per Guild_Wars_Wiki:Formatting/NPCs#Special_sections. No profession icons are needed, to keep consistency with general colllectors. Thank you :) Erszebet 11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok. -- ab.er.rant sig 11:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

Sorry, will do. Just noticed that the deep article is missing a load of info so through i would help by updating it.

ill revert my changes. -- Salome 05:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No problems really, no worries, we can just fix them up. I just checked GuildWiki and most of the contributors of those articles have declared GFDL, so fixing the formatting and then rewriting the descriptions will be good enough :) -- ab.er.rant sig 05:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry im a complete wiki noob. I'll make sure not to make the same mistake in the future. only wanted to update it as i thought it was important to note that deep oni and normal oni use different skill sets, meaning you cant practice deep builds on surface oni as they wont work. -- Salome 06:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
It's all fine, no trouble at all. No need to be so apologetic ^-^ As for that note, please feel free to expand that little generic one-liner I added. I just prefer to have at least one single line saying something mostly useless instead of slapping a {{npc-stub}} on it. A description to the effect of, say, Mantid Glitterfang, would be good indeed :) -- ab.er.rant sig 06:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I am Not Stalking Gem's Edits[edit]

The edit you made that in comment to happened 6 days before I commented on it. I had an interest in one of the topics she removed and when I went to find it, it was gone, and Gem was the one who removed it, after being the notable opposition in the discussion, yet ones where she was not opposed but had equal or longer stagnant discussion remained there. It's disgusting to see someone exercise bias like that and incredibly offensive to be stupidly accused of "stalking" her edits with no basis for it. Most of my comments are in topics I started myself and Gem later on came to, it's not my fault Gem lives on the wiki and places spam on 75% of pages not relating to game content; of course I am going to post on the same topic she did; almost every topic on Gaile's page has Gem on it. When you spend so much time on the wiki and are always looking for something to occupy your time, for the sake of occupying time, you are bound to do pointless edits. ~ Anon --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:58.110.140.18 .

Gem's a guy. It's good that you would clarify that you are not hounding on his edits but several of your replies have specifically targeted Gem's actions or comments. If you feel they are pointless, feel free to ignore. Gem himself has noted that he feels that you are targeting him. If a user feels that way, please try to refrain yourself. If you feel Gem should also stop replying to your posts, please let him know how you feel and I'm sure he'll try to avoid replying to any of your posts. -- ab.er.rant sig 14:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not targeting him so I'm not going to change anything I'm doing. I'll identify stupid or redundant comments when I see them, if I went around the wiki posting in the same manner as Gem I wouldn't be upset if someone accused me of the same thing. If that upsets Gem he can grow up. ~ Anon --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:58.110.140.18 .
Hehe, yeah, I'm a guy. I find it interesting that you see absolutely no value in my posts on Gailes talk page, but I don't take too much sweat about it. I also didn't mean that I think you're stalking me or anything with the comment you two are referring to, I was just saying that you act overly hostile against me for no reason at all. -- Gem (gem / talk) 17:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
And to be more precise, it's not just against me, your general commenting style is hostile. -- Gem (gem / talk) 17:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Your general commenting style is retarded and stupid. Everything is perception over the Internet, you're just sensitive. I have no interest in arguing with you and I don't want to spam Aberrant's chat any more so I'm done with this. ~ Anon --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:58.110.140.18 .
Sensitive in what way? Retarded and stupid in what way? Argue? You just see the whole world in a much different way than I do. I don't see this as arguing at all, nor have I been 'sensitive' about your comments. I've not taken them personally, I'm not crying against my mothers shoulder nor am I red of anger. And that message just reinforces my last statement. :) -- Gem (gem / talk) 21:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Wighte Hawk[edit]

Sorry about this user... ;) he didn't knew thet need to register on wiki... He registered... so can u delete a deletation box ;))) --Anele MeaTalk 19:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

No worries. -- ab.er.rant sig 00:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

speedy U2[edit]

...does not apply to talk pages. If it did, it would make communication with anonymous editors impossible. Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 14:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

k. -- ab.er.rant sig 14:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Election[edit]

I nominated you for the current bureaucrat election, hoping you will not decline =) --Xeeron 16:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I won't decline :) at least, not right away. In light of recent events, I'll have to give some thought as to whether I'm capable of fulfilling what the role really requires. But it also means I can't delete stuff anymore... hmmm... :) -- ab.er.rant sig 06:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
If you aren't capable of fulfilling the role, ain't nobody else gonna be. -Auron 06:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
*blink* *blink* wow... thanks ^-^ really appreciate it. -- ab.er.rant sig 08:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll take care of the deletion candidates for you then :D poke | talk 13:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Uploading for User space[edit]

About the recent comment, my intention was to use duplicates of profession icons so that I could have the ones I upload redirect to my characters' pages. Is that okay to do? I did however make a mistake in not tagging every one of them with User tag in summary Woop 16:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I see... in that case, do remove the delete tag I added and put in your redirect. If you aren't going to redirect immediately, you might want to put in a little note in the image page to explain what you intend to do, in case someone else comes along and had the same misunderstanding :) -- ab.er.rant sig 16:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Tiny query[edit]

What's the origin of your username? VanguardUser-VanguardAvatar.PNG17:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

He was leeching in AB, so people started ranting at him and he was like errr, combined, it's Ab.er.rant :P — Eloc 22:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
good one XD but i'm curious, too. - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 22:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
...and where did the 80 go? :D --SnogratUser Snograt signature.png 22:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol, nice one Eloc, maybe I should use that as an answer :D well, it came from the meaning of the word "aberrant". Nothing special, I just saw it in a thesaurus when I was looking for something to mean "unusual" to use for an email add, and I kinda liked it, so I took it. After that, I just kinda kept reusing it in different variations. I kinda chopped off the "80" part and pounded them into 2 little dots that I stuck between the letters :D -- ab.er.rant sig 01:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Pfft, mine was better :P — Eloc 01:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Note of thanks[edit]

A little thanks of my own is in order, I'm obviously new to GWW and would like to thank you for pointing out the signature rules. =D Whisperer Nick 17:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) -- ab.er.rant sig 01:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

A note[edit]

Thanks for interjecting on DE's candidacy talk page. You're right, that was a bad place for such discussion. But I would like to explain why I went so long on a discussion that was not going anywhere (not that I expect you to agree with me; but I respect you, so I would like at least to say I wasn't just trying to bring conflict for the sake of disruption):

I really, really don't like when someone tries to use insults (veiled or not, breaching NPA or not) as his/her/its main argument in a discussion. I see any try of using an argument like "I'm right and everyone who has a different opinion can't think, so shut up" as a way to literally stomp through the wiki and its community, as users who know better than to get into pointless conflicts would just leave the discussion (not to mention those who don't like to be insulted, and so would likely leave the discussion as well), allowing the insulter to force his opinion onto others.

In less words, I think it's bullying. Sometimes an user does that claiming it's for the good of the community, but I cannot accept that - I don't think the goal always justifies the means. When an user tries to bully others in such way, I think it's important to make, and keep, a stand. Not throwing insults back (that would be going down to their level), rather carefully dissecting those arguments until they are shown to be nothing other than empty, shallow insults. Does this cause conflict to erupt? Definitely. Is causing conflict better than lowering the community's head and allowing such bullying to go unopposed? IMO, definitely. That's why I acted the way I did, both in DE's candidacy talk page and in some previous discussions. Erasculio 15:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to think that I'm familiar enough with you to make a good guess at what would irk you enough for you to respond. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don't. I'm glad you feel a need to clarify, because I also think I should be a little blunt and point out some things that you may not be aware of. You may have a tendency to take people's words to task a little too literally or too deeply. The conflict starts when others just feel that you're interpreting too much, because if they think you're twisting their words, they'll just get angry and think you're trying to put words in their mouths. For an observer who tries to read both your comments and the comments you're responding to, sometimes they're very similar in nature... and sorry about this, sometimes, depending on how long one such issue has dragged out, your response comes out very confrontational as well - it won't help if you simply respond in kind. As you already know, no good can ever come of such arguments.
I'm thinking it might help if you could try to refrain from replying too quickly. What I mean is, rather than engage another user or users in an increasingly heated debate within a short period of time, try to space them out. Read them (maybe even attempt to write a response), but don't immediately post it. Give it some time, an hour or two, evening, or the next day. This does two things. First, the delay will calm both sides down, possibly enough to not want to bother with anything more than a short reply (it's happened to me a couple of times, which resulted in me just not even bothering to respond). Second, it gives other users a chance to butt in, possibly with an opportunity to change the topic and cut it short, or at least, they might just say what you might have said (and saving you the trouble of even bothering to type a response, and possibly letting someone else take the heat... :P).
Gem once said that he reads his own comments a couple of times before posting, saying it gives him a chance to calm down. It worked for me too (mostly anyway), especially my long responses (the downside for me is that it's a real time waster when I just couldn't settle on how to word a thought or just to make sure I highlight or present a point I'm trying to make...). I also try to trim my long responses, since I feel that a lot users don't bother fully reading a long response :D . I'm not admonishing you or anything, or trying to put you down, just sharing what I think are good ways (for you and everyone else) to diffuse sparks. -- ab.er.rant sig 17:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
You're right, I have always had an incredibly fierce temper that flares up when something bothers me. Real life events will force me to take a (temporary) break from the wiki, so at least I'll have some time to calm down. Thanks for the advice! Erasculio 21:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

"Interesting" new site[edit]

Hiya Ab! I just wanted to get your attention and point you in this direction. Check it out when you get a chance, and let me know if you have any questions! --UserEmilyDiehlStar.gif Emily Diehl (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

CELESTIAL SIGIL/GuildHall[edit]

moved to HELP:GAME

Request for Involvement[edit]

After careful consideration I would like to request your involvement in a dispute myself and other users are having with two admin on this site. here is the first part of the discusion. This is the issue which prompted that discussion and where much of it took place. I believe the two admin have abused their discretion in this case and unfairly blocked a user, citing consensus, discretion and ignoring a guideline AGF as justification. The two admin are User:Aiiane and User:Tanaric, the latter of which made the block but the former who has tried to use their admin power to bully Eloc, (even though Brains12 was supporting too, Eloc was the one specifically targeted) which both users are known to dislike. I have brought this up on both Aiiane's and Tanaric's talk pages in hopes of reaching some kind of resolution but even though Tanaric himself admited the user count opposed to the action he took was greater than those supporting, he still believes he acted with consensus. Although this block period has ended, it never should have taken place, but more importantly sets a dangerous precedent which is trying to use admin powers to force through a change in policy, or commonly accepted interpretation of policy that admin can't take this action. Rather than take a route to change policy to allow this kind of block, they have chosen to ignore a consensus seeking method and instead taken this route. I would like to also note that I have noticed a gathering of users from an off wiki communication resource who have banded together to support this stance, often at the request of each other or after discussion off wiki influencing their involvement in the case. This is a trend I have seen these users practice often in many issues on the wiki and is evident by the same users posting in the same discussions. I also feel it is important to mention this instance has brought these users having Reconfirmation requests, however not by me and I believe they are premature and will not achieve what is important here. 58.110.142.135 17:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Use the dam arbcomm already. Spreading the issue round a hundred different talkpages just slows down any action that might be taken. Lord of all tyria 17:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to quote part of Dirigible's reason for rejecting ArbCom on Erasculio seeing as I am incapable of taking any action without be harassed, "Even if it had been more severe, there are other options that need to be attempted before bringing a case to the ArbComm, such as contacting the users in question directly, and requesting attention and and assistance from the the rest of the community at GWW:RFC or GWW:NOTICE,". I have first decided to request admin I believe will be less bias than those involved, I could find another quote saying ArbCom should be a last resort I'm pretty sure most people have read that many times before. 58.110.142.135 17:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Of all the things that 58.110 have done, request for involvement of other sysops seems to me to be his best well directed action. Coran Ironclaw 19:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)