User talk:Chieftain Alex/Archive 4

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All the work during 1^st semester @ 2^nd year of university is in the last week D: finished :)

— I, Alex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8 -- Magamdy 18:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc personally I thought that one was funnier :D -- File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 19:00, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Nice lipsinc job :P -- Magamdy 11:24, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Nope, not on a phone. Don't got the proper pictures on my phone. :D Konig/talk 23:35, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Moving != archiving

You archived a current topic (rather than moving it as your edit summary claimed). That's fine as long as you got the point: please avoid calling people names (especially loaded and insulting ones that are drama- and troll-magnets). Never mind GWW:NPA: using that type of language works counter to your goal of keeping the wiki safe from nonsense. Thanks. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks tef for another pointless post. --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 23:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

So much hostility. I think we'll need a water tank over hear. This things like a forest fire! Konig/talk 23:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

TEF happens to be completely right, so you'd do well to follow his advice (although I do disagree with him about speedy-archiving being ok). pling 23:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Of course he's right. Hes TEF. I do not intend to go inactive on wiki with a bunch of clappers on the talk page though. If I do truly go inactive, there will be no reason to contact me so it will remain pristine. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 23:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

If the inactivity is due to this, it is greatly over-reaction. Tef can and has been wrong. Konig/talk 23:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha.. no you see I've uninstalled gw and had myself blocked on various other internet forums to help me direct my focus upon my coursework - my degree is both exhausting and difficult - stopping gaming will help me get much needed sleep and be a definite boost to my morale for coursework.

(unrelated:) Also I keep seeing the name Konig in this danish crime drama I'm watching and keep thinking theres only one guy I know with that name ;) File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 23:48, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Stupid degrees, no one needs them. *cough* And yes, I'm inside a danish crime drama... get me out of here! So lonely... Konig/talk 23:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Just curious, what degree are you doing? pling 23:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Mechanical Engineering. 2nd year is terrible! lol --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 23:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Also konig, I see you're manually tagging all those images, ever considered using GWWTools?--File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 00:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

And what is the point?

Marking all bosses with a generic image seems counter-intuitive to the whole idea of taking images of each boss for their page. → uτσpıαи ♪ 00:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

They all look exactly the same. why have more than one image of an identical creature? File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 00:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Except for the different weapons, locations, mobs, etc. → uτσpıαи ♪ 00:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Guidelines dictate image should only be of the Boss without any clutter such as other mobs. Also most bosses have randomised weapons... location is meh - pick the one with the best lighting available. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 00:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Most bosses wield their greens, and that picture is hardly the best one, considering half its body is bent over. → uτσpıαи ♪ 00:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "And what is the point?" - the same point that we use renders. The same point as one of the largest, though mostly inactive, projects on the wiki. The point is to improve the wiki using the best available images. Most of them can use vast improvement still.
Weapons are randomized (in most cases - I have never seen that people wield their green and quite frankly immensely disagree), models do not affect location, mobs are not documented in the images being replaced. There is no need to complain about this, as there is no issue as you bring up.
In short, I am reducing the number of images on the wiki until a proper render can be made which features just the NPC - no mob, no location, no weapon. Until that is the case, I am merely reducing images to the proper number (or less than, as some bosses use non-boss renders already) until they can be properly replaced with proper renders. In effect, my alterations are merely placeholder changes. Konig/talk 01:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Why not work to get the renders instead of pointlessly changing each image then? You have not provided a reason for doing this except for "I thought the images were bad so I chose one I liked and am replacing them all with it because hey I'm in a group that doesn't really do anything anymore but it's kind of relevant to my cause". Or to raise your contrib count. I don't really see anything other than those two. Utopian 01:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Because at the moment I am unable to get renders and new renders have not really been made in quite some time. So I go with the second best solution that comes to mind - reduce number of images and set them up to be ready for replacement by renders. Far better than having 3-10+ images of highly questionable qualities about the same exact model (and aura).

My reasoning was stated and it is terribly off from your humorous paraphrasing - it is not because "I'm in a group" nor is it because "I liked" them, it's because there are an unnecessary excess of images on the wiki so I have systematically reduced them based first on if they qualify for Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Images to update (those that do go bye-bye), then based on number of effects, other NPCs, size, and focus on the target of the image. Sometimes, such as the Margonite Paragon bosses, there are multiple of equal or questionably equal quality to which I pick what I personally think is of better quality and would hold no qualms with switching.

Again, if you have complaints about certain images, please state which. And do keep in mind that these images I choose are:

1. Placeholders, to be replaced by renders at some point, and
2. can be switched if the other is agreed to be of better quality.

But such discussions should be done on a case by case basis as the above situation is rare from my opinion. A consensus is not really needed to "reduce the number of redundant images" as such a discussion is, by the appearances of at least four people - perhaps far more - silly. Konig/talk 01:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

??

You're having a wiki war or something? Why's your page all empty? D: -- Magamdy 11:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

It should encourage me to become dis-involved with the wiki. Need to snap out of this stuff to pass my degree :p File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 14:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

"This user will be inactive..." *Sees at least 5 Alex edits in watchlist..* -- Magamdy 08:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back

^ I knew you couldn't leave us. :PKonig/talk 20:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

A head for arrows

If you're interested in symbolic embellishments, I've posted an extensive list, including html-code and windows-alt-key shortcuts, e.g. → can be produced from while numlock'd ALT 2 6 or → or →. If you want a double arrow to replace ">>" from Feedback:Main, there's also ⇒ or ► or ». (For what it's worth, I agree that → looks better than what was there before.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

thanks

For cleaning up behind me :P 88.152.25.23 02:07, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Also only "not listing" isn't enough since it may be a regularity to have NR amongst Prophecies bosses but not amonst all bosses. So any user would need to check where that boss is to check if it should have NR or not and then there's even the doubt if it was ever recored. A note is important. 88.152.25.23 02:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

sup misery, although I can't find it, there was a discussion recently on this and I cannot recall the outcome. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 10:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Destroyed farming cat

re: I considered re-adding the farming tag since you can still farm dead swords

I removed the tag because an article/quest is not useful for farming if there's no explanation as to how it's useful. I've restored Category:quests useful for farming since you've provided enough data to add a relevant note. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm considering archiving the build on PvX since dead swords are ugly and worthless now :p that was what caused me to look at the quest page in the first place. If I do archive it I'll change the link and the note accordingly. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 01:26, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

This

I've had quite a lot of experience piecing together terribly formed sentences :P

Anyways, how's GW these days? I basically gave up once I ran out of skill points and titles that actually required playing. Only 2,500 from 50/50 and GWAMM too :( ~FarloTalk 21:19, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I uninstalled it; though as you can see my attempt to disintegrate from the wiki has failed miserably. Coursework is catching up with me and I have two weeks left of this term to finish it. It will be a tough push - I can't afford to lose the time to my guildwars addiction. :P File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 21:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

It needs new life, and not just in the form of non-repeating WoC quests or new holiday activities. Life I wish I was part of the Live Team to give. I know the first thing I'd do.Konig/talk

Problem is computer games don't usually last very long. Especially the ones you don't pay for monthly - paying for games gives you some kind of feeling that you "have to play it" once you've paid for x amount of time. The keys to why players stay with gw are;

• other players to talk to. people who fail abysmally in rl can easily socialise :p
• there is no defined "end game" in gw. addictions to other computer games, e.g. Tomb Raider, will usually end after completion. :/

The combined pincer movement of "work" + "lack of new ingame activity" will eventually kill off every gw player (especially as players age towards working age :p ). period File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 00:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Some folks are lucky enough to be able to play and work (ofc not at the same exact time); and new content (especially non-time-limited repeating content *cough*) does help stiffen the latter while new players do continue (especially with new content!). Though of course gw will eventually die... and then it will become "retro" and be revived as an immortal zombie for all to know and love as it feasts on your eyes and brain. Konig/talk 01:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

That sucks that you had to give it up Alex, I thought I'd move away from the wiki when I stopped playing as well, but here I am chatting on it while trying to add up the liquidation value of everything my accounts have and then doing the most profitable farm possible for the last bit of gold I need. If Stephane ever manages to get me some high quality map images I might even be tempted to finish up some of those, I feel bad for just dropping such a large project, but then again it doesn't seem like many people cared to notice. (Not that there are many people still on the Wiki :P)

I really do wish the Live Team had more hands on deck to produce content, but then again this engine seems pretty stretched to it's limits, especially by today's standards and I see why they've pretty much dropped it and moved on the GW2. It'd be awesome to be able to make GW content or lend my ridiculous amount of free time to them somehow. Hell, I'd probably do it for free just for the experience at this point, something like that'd look really good on a resume ;) As for ToPK, it is kind of sad how that place got butchered over the years and then utterly forgotten about. Assuming they plan on continuing the cycle and make a Beyond episode for Elona, it'd be bad ass to see them explore the Tombs, I'm sure one of the writers could somehow incorporate a dragon or Joko into it for lore purposes, and give us some delicious new (and by new I mean re-hashed maps with some clever new HM builds) content. ~FarloTalk 08:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

You're a champ

For cleaning up Category:Research needed. I was gonna get to that after concept art, and models, and stubs... and probably a whole lot more. :B Konig/talk 22:05, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Hah :) when I reinstall gw for WoC pt 3 at christmas, I'll buy one of the "Dead Shields" and see if the icon is the same. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 22:31, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Boss Maps

You got to them before I could. May I say two things: First, thanks for getting to them faster than me, and two, please remove those breadcrumbs. I've been thinking lately and I'm thinking that having breadcrumbs on the wiki maps are bad for two reasons: Firstly, it gives a "mandatory" pathing to those looking - usually the path is undisputed to be "the best" (often in missions), but there will be cases where that's not so or we have to add in multi-colored breadcrumbs (like with your Tangle Root Skale map). Secondly, it often leads to the maps being rather cluttered - compare File:Vanguard Bounty Blazefiend Griefblade map.jpg and compare to File:Shards of Orr Level 2.jpg. It's too easy for breadcrumbs to go everywhere and while your maps are good, seeing such maps may instigate folks into uploading lesser quality maps.
I was intending on going through maps and gimp'ing them up to be more like the current Vanguard quest maps - primarily boss and quest maps, but perhaps also missions and dungeons. I think people are smart enough to work their way to the locations if we merely point them out. I was going to use either profession icons, starburts, or File:Monster-tango-icon-20-v1.png, depending on the map (e.g., single boss would have startburst, multi boss would either have starburst or profession, quests would have the monster icon for bosses, starbursts for steps, profession for target NPCs if necessary, etc.). Konig/talk 02:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Normally I'd agree with you but Maguuma is really awkward to navigate. I would however, like some kind of uniformity with the symbols. I've used some cloned mission map arrows, and also User:Previously Unsigned's green marker. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 02:39, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Maguuma is possibly the sole exception due to, as you said, its awkwardness. As for symbol uniformity - I'd normally just go with the starburst you did with the skale map, but it'd be best to differenciate between multiple bosses (unless they share spawn points). I'd think it'd be easiest to make maps based on location+type of boss (e.g., Sunjiang District Afflicted bosses.jpg) instead of doing 1 boss at a time. That way, there'd be less images on the wiki. Likewise, bosses related directly to quests should use the quest map and thus unless the objective is purely to kill the boss, and we want to show objectives on the map (which we should), using something other than the starburst would be best.

In the end, it may be best to use the monster tango icon for bosses if we want a case of "consistency no matter the situation" rather than "consistency based on situation." Konig/talk 02:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Well when the text gets finished with the shadows for the interactive maps we can just link to those tbh. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 11:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

You'll still need to take an image, so while you may be able to link to those, it's not enough (nor necessary tbh, but I'm not against it to spread the use of those). Primary issue (to me) is that the Prophecies bosses are very cluttered in those things compared to what it could be (merely taking an image of the possible spawn points instead of all bosses plus a key). Also, interactive maps don't work with quests (they do for dungeons and missions, but again, still gonna need a picture, and when it comes to spawn point sharing: cluttered!). Konig/talk 20:50, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Just butting in here because I'm cool like that, but I agree with Konig, the maps aren't the absolute best for looking at individual targets. ~FarloTalk 00:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

use Subst when using that signed template

Question: Why? And why have the template if one's not suppose to use it? Konig/talk 22:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Truthfully, I don't really know, except it reduces background wiki activity if we were ever to make any changes to it. And Template_talk:Unsigned#subst: File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

According to that page, the situation is: "We're too lazy to semi-protect so we have to clutter up talk pages in order to prevent vandals" (aka we don't have to subst, some just prefer it. It's a preference just as using File: over Image: is or adding spaces between section titles or after *s in bullet lists is). Konig/talk 22:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Also it is following protocol. See Template:Unsigned_ip#Usage. Also every other unsigned template has a subst usage on it; please use it. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 23:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't use subst because I don't (and won't always) remember to use it. Not trying to annoy me but as per the discussion page, it's not mandatory to use subst. Konig/talk 01:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Substituting templates is always a good idea (for static formatting), since it means the client and server work less to display the page. It's not required, but it's worthwhile. I see mild benefit and no harm in converting {{unsigned}}.

However, it is distracting when a two-year old comment is updated for any reason; it gives the appearance that the topic is active or that someone is responding to a long since irrelevant convo. If you do want to subst, please add the date and/or include a note in the edit summary. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 07:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Signature Help

I am going crazy with the guides and have trouble to edit my signature in order to give it some style. For instance you have the Gothic Axe. I want to add Critical Eye skill icon to my signature and also change the font color to dark purple.Yoshida Keiji talk 17:22, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok.. for the text:

 [[User:Yoshida Keiji|<font color="#800080">'''Yoshida Keiji'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Yoshida Keiji|''talk'']]</small> 

Which would appear like: Yoshida Keiji talk

And for the image, upload using the following name: & make the image a smaller version of Critical eye (18 pixels high)

 [[Image:User_Yoshida_Keiji_Signature.jpg|link=User talk:Yoshida Keiji]] 

So the overall code would be:

 [[Image:User_Yoshida_Keiji_Signature.jpg|link=User talk:Yoshida Keiji]] [[User:Yoshida Keiji|<font color="#800080">'''Yoshida Keiji'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Yoshida Keiji|''talk'']]</small> 

With appearance of: Yoshida Keiji talk

File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 18:01, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you make a signiature for me too lol xD? I was always too lazy and retarded too make one lol. I want mah name in red and a link to my talk and render page :3 -- Magamdy 18:22, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Magamdy Obviously you'd have to reupload as user image.. but :D --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 18:37, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh my gawd it's so pretty XP. Thanks mate :p -- Magamdy 18:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Derp -- Magamdy 18:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Last minute image choice change but I made it ^_^ THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Yoshida Keiji talk With appearance of: Yoshida Keiji talk 10:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Something is not right. I made the icon smaller but I dont know about the text that appears last. Yoshida Keiji talk With appearance of: Yoshida Keiji talk 10:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

All you RC stalkers File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:05, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

And a merry season to you, too! - Infinite - talk 22:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! ~FarloTalk 22:30, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Saturnalia! Konig/talk 23:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas... from the future! -- Hong 03:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

User/Example

I suspect it's someone whose keyboard has an "Any" key. -- Hong 13:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

idk about you tef, but green borders are too in your face imo

re: this edit among others

My browser doesn't actually show the borders differently with the color parameter set. Usually, I try to make a near-black equivalent to match the tint of the header (but I was too lazy this time). Thanks for fixing it (and adding {{STDT}} where I forgot to). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 00:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi

I'm lurking. Hope pvx is quieter without me </3 Minion 18:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

</3 revision. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 19:25, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Cantha maps

I haven't even begun to start cutting out Cantha, but I'll do that and upload as many as I can so you can get started, but I have some stuff to take care of. Also, I see you made the outpost icons a bit smaller than the ones we already have. I don't have a particular preference on their size, I was just going off the image's dimensions, but making it smaller is probably a good thing for when we have to cram a lot in (Echovald >.> ). ~FarloTalk 23:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Gotta love those tree hugging emos. Don't worry about maps - all this stuff is optional. Heck, we could rename the project Tyria Interactive Maps and then stick a whacking great green tick on the project ^_^ File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 23:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol, where's the fun in that?? I uploaded a few, but they might need trimming etc, I wasn't sure how much space in the margins to give them for the larger town icons. If you want I can send you the compiled map. It's a massive JPG, but it's from Texmod textures so it should look a decent bit better than screenshots. I'll be back in an hour or so if you're still going to be on. ~FarloTalk 00:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

What map should I start on? Not sure if you're in the middle of one or not. ~FarloTalk 02:04, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

@ Perdition Rock map: White looks fine, as long as it stands out against the background it's all good. ~FarloTalk 02:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Its 2:10 A.M. here, I'm going to sleep. (not in middle of any more maps/rage map upload sessions) File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 02:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Haha, alright, take care. ~FarloTalk 02:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Whats my English level?

N = Native 
4 = Near native 
3 = Advanced 
2 = Intermediate 
1 = Basic 
0 = No ability

I want to make a userbox for my page. Yoshida Keiji talk 06:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I think that's more for you to decide ;) ~FarloTalk 06:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah ok, maybe I should have elaborated more. I have in my plans to create a userbox to place in my page with the purpose of calling others who can help me with the language issue. I want to help wiki but due to non-Native level I end up causing spelling (un-intentional) troubles, which result in little help overall.

Side Note: While scrolling flag images I found non that has half US-UK and half Japan. Is there any chance a new image of both together could be created? Yoshida Keiji talk 08:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Probably 3. Still, it would be good if you continue with those mission cleanups - they are rather long winded + it doesn't take too long to cleanup typos generated. Just leave the overview alone :D

From User:Y0 ich halt/Userboxes:

en-3	This user is able to contribute with an advanced level of English.

File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 09:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay now I understand. I stopped just so nobody would "shout" complaining my English. But then, I will continue. The overview feels strange to me as some of them contain spoilers...but maybe that should go in the formatting page instead. Yoshida Keiji talk 09:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Self-substitution

I never substitute myself ;-) I thought I would try to see how the other half lives for one edit, though... and then I went and looked up the debate on Wikipedia. The bad news is that they never really resolved the debate: their version of {{unsigned}} (and related templates) includes the note to use subst:, but their policy page lists those same templates as being part of an ongoing debate about the practice. Sigh.

In the end, I have decided to continue using subst: on talk pages because those articles are supposed to capture moments in time, especially when they get archived. In the unlikely even that we change the templates we use on those articles, we want to capture the text as it was shown when edited, not as it might appear later. (See also: my rant on the topic.)

Still, I can understand why some might prefer to avoid using subst.– Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

On wikipedia almost 80% of their subst is done by a robot signing unsigned comments. Which, personally, I think is awesome. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 01:25, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm

A part of the thanks section bother me quite a bit, being "people who aren't autistic in RA". Having it myself (PDD-NOS) i find it a bit offensive. I'm not asking you to remove it but just letting you know that it can offend those who have it and those who have friends or family having it. Da Mystic Reaper 23:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

May you never venture the depths of gwPvX... You will be offent. Minion 23:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit Conflict?

What do you mean by edit conflict? Yoshida Keiji talk 14:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll try and make an example up:

• User A begins editing a page at a time, lets call it 2:00 GMT, and user B begins editing at 2:01 GMT.
• User B makes a short edit, finishes and submits at time 2:02 GMT.
• User A makes a long edit and tries to submit at 2:08 GMT.
• User A will receive the message "Edit conflict" and they will be presented with the changes User B made while User A was still editing.
  • User A will now have a chance to either cancel editing, or to copy the changes they made in the bottom window (which will show the edits User A was trying to make) into the top window (the edits User B submitted successfully)

Is that clearer? File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 14:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Aaahhh phew... I thought the worst and my face got red. I imagined wrong... (takes deep breath)

Is there a place that speaks of "edit conflicts"? I think a few minutes gap between my edit and your appreacited English corrections will prevent any disasters. Yoshida Keiji talk 14:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Un-suprisingly, Wikipedia has a quite large page on the subject if you care that much. (Link here) It's basically just for when two people edit the same page at the same time. The Wiki doesn't know (isn't programmed to) figure out what to include if they edit the same lines, so it just asks the user who edited last to figure it out. ~FarloTalk 20:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Very useful link Farlo. I used my user page to see how "edit conflict" and "inuse" templates would look as a notice message but... GWW doesnt seem to have one. I think I could give good application to the last one since as of late I do large revisionings (Jade Quarry, The Deep and also participate in the Missions Project) and immediately behind me comes Alex to fix my English mistakes. Such template giving us time between changes would be of great help. I hope I never fall into an Edit Conflict. Yoshida Keiji talk 23:53, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

It won't ever be necessary to put a template on the page, as a general point you only lose time, not data. You could however put a note in the edit summary that you've finished and its k for cleanup though. Also I generally try to wait half an hour before cleaning up things people are writing. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 00:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Yeah, this wiki is small enough to where ECs aren't usually a big deal. For major page revisions, just do a quick edit and leave a note saying "Don't EC me damnit!" or something along those lines in the edit summary, that should be enough to let most of the regulars know you're not done. ~FarloTalk 00:09, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Lmao, did I really EC you there :D File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 00:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes... Apparently the userbox is warranted. ~FarloTalk 01:59, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Before we hit Kourna

I'd really like to get the shadowed text colors/formatting figured out, bug Poke more for IE integration, and start rolling them out/fixing maps. The main reason is that the rest of Elona is pretty much desert and all of the maps are going to look terrible with the stupid highlighting. Once we get most of the basic color scheme set in stone, I'd like to move the template into the mainspace and get started, fixing bugs and whatnot as they appear. Let me know (or just change it, you're a big boy) if you have any problems with the styling. Sooner or later today I'll go through and check off the ones I think are ready. ~FarloTalk 21:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey

I'm sure you've seen the mess. Nonetheless we must talk. D: Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] 21:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I didn't see any questions vince :p oh and btw, i tested the Coward build for FA, still works great. Rupted so many tards with guardian :< File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 20:28, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Omg! :o

Omg! Omg! Omg! You have a message! Because we all like messages. :D Thanks for the birthday comments! /bro-fist -- Magic Talk 19:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Go for it

I would but I really need to finish up some classwork and take care of the house >.> ~FarloTalk 20:24, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

:) sure I'll do it, but I need to find a png icon I like first. I'd like to find a chest image.. there are key icons from dungeons @ Mission Map, but I don't want to give the impression it requires a key. Perhaps I'll pick something more general like or (I don't think will be contrasting enough with the sands to be visible). When I do get around to it I'll put it under the Landmarks section, which may mean I'll end up using the red star anyway. --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 21:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I'll remove the background on File:Small Bag of Gold.jpg.. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 21:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I think it might have to be one of the star icons, that bag might not show up well on the maps, especially desert areas, but give it a shot. I couldn't find a GNU treasure chest icon or anything on a quick glance over Google :( ~FarloTalk 01:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Chieftain Alex

My man, what has happened to you. I hope I will see you return on PvX soon enough. Greetz Shadow, now known on GWWiki as SFS Talk 21:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty cool. tell this guy to use pet for more damage with glimmer please. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Will do SFS Talk 06:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Not falling for it SFS Talk 17:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Interactive Maps theme tune

Need I say more? File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 19:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I turned it down at 0:03 XD SFS Talk 19:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Dude! That's my favoritest song ever! ~FarloTalk 19:54, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Probably the best song for SC and dungeons ever. Makes you finish everything damn quickly. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 19:55, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

If you're going dungeon diving, take Texmod with you and start grabbing the dungeon maps, I don't want to do every dungeon grabbing the maps, lol. ~FarloTalk 20:03, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Have we got a mod for that? (that removes dots and gates etc but leaves the map? ) File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 20:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

No, but that's why you take Texmod in logging mode (shoulda specified I suppose) and just grab the texture. ~FarloTalk 20:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok I'll try that after dinner. I SC quite a bit so I appear in any dungeon :p just have to suicide to obtain time to extract the map. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 20:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I kind of miss speedclearing. I had an MMO nostalgia moment last night recalling my first "end-game" experiences in GW and Burning Crusade era WoW. Made me miss the good ol' days, lol. ~FarloTalk 21:54, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Wow. I've never done this before, extracted a load of different dungeon maps just from standing in Fronis Irontoe's lair. Also got some cool icons. :> File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:00, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I think you were able to get the multiple maps because the game always uses 512px ^2 map images, so the textures tend to have as many maps that will fit on them, the game just calls different coordinates to display I suppose. .dat diving is way more fun than dungeon diving. ~FarloTalk 22:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

They seem to be rather low quality even in .bmp e.g. from the U map rather than compass.. thats normal right? Also whats the naming convention we're adopting for dungeons? I was thinking..

File:<Dungeon name> clean map Level <number>.jpg

File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I supposed it's either that or "Dungeon Name (Level #) map clean", but I like yours better: less non-letters to type. ~FarloTalk 22:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

PS: Those are some weird icons you got there. ~FarloTalk 22:24, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll cut them up and use in my navbar I think. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you in the process of making this page, or shall I? I'm so mega-bored of making new screenshots, it seems like it'd be so easy to automate if I knew how. ~FarloTalk 23:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you could go rip some dungeon maps? :P just pick a dungeon, stand in the entrance and pickout all the randoms.. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 23:37, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Eh, I want to at least finish Tyria and I have some Burn Notice to watch, so I should be OK. ~FarloTalk 23:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

You are busy enough...

Thanks for your polite comments on my user talk, I would never impose upon you or Farlo. The two of you have your hands full with vandals, spammers, etc.. Besides I have an "in house" tech guru monkey I call my husband to answer the big questions. To be honest my page would not look as good as it does without his knowledge. When I asked him how you guys put the navigation bars on the top he showed me there are layers of programming behind it. So maybe if I get the urge, I will have him redesign my user pages but for now they are functional and "beautiful as it is". Thank you. --Wendy Black 10:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Hahah.. I have no intent to redesign anything. I'm only embarassed that thun guhl keeps quoting us as amazing coders. -_- File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 11:33, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, I just stole it all from Lensor, lol. Btw, thanks for getting the rest of the dungeon maps, I was waaaaay too tired after the rest of the screenshots. ~FarloTalk 19:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Mission rewards template

Did I miss the discussion/page where your changes were sandboxed/verified? --JonTheMon 20:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Probably. removed it shortly after I got all the help I needed. Frankly I can revert them all. Its not an issue. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 20:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Eh, it'd just be nice to know that there's something out there for preliminary verification of changes. --JonTheMon 20:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

WoC pt 3

You're kidding me. The one evening that I go and watch a film they release it :) File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 00:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Does it matter? You can still do it. --Silven 00:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

This indexing does not make any sense?

Hi Chief, I am really trying to understand the logic behind indexing everything under Texmod.

For example; Player-made Modifications#Other Benign Software Shouldn't it break down more like this;

• Index of Third Party Tools and Addons

• Modifying in-game graphics

• Texmod

• Guide to using Texmod

• Other graphics mods

• Player made modifications
• Modifying Game Controls

etc.. Maybe I am just being anal, but is there a way to make this better organized? I am working on an index My WIP but I want it to be in the proper place on the wiki. I know Farlo got yelled at by some unknown on his talk page for moving Texmod around. I don't want to add to the confusion. Where do you suggest I place this index?--Wendy Black 07:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

The odd folder structure is because that's how they used to work and I haven't managed to finish re-organizing the pages. The other mods definitely do belong in their own section, that's why I moved all the pages under the new Texmod sub-page, I've just yet to move the non-Texmod mods to their own page. If fact, I'll see about doing this now.

For your suggested format, I think the list of player-made mods should stay under the Texmod heading (except for the non-Texmod ones, duh). IMO there doesn't need to be a central "3rd-party" page, separate pages/guides for those that could use them are fine enough. Just based off your tables' sorting, here's my opinion:

1. I don't really think the build managers deserve a page to themselves, any reasonable information can be placed in a section/sub-page of Build or Guide to making a build.
2. The graphics mods will be placed accordingly sooner or later.
3. There's already a page about Voice chat with links to all of the major ones, perhaps you could just expand that?
4. A 'Guild Wars with controllers' page would be really helpful, I can see that one having at least moderate substance to it.

That's just my two cents on the list of programs you have now. Sorry if none of my sentences flow very well, I'm kinda tired and I re-worded them a few times. Anyways, I'll go fix the Texmod pages now. ~FarloTalk 08:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought I was going more crazy for a minute there. I just added Team Talk to the list of Voice chat. Sorry bugging you guys, I haven't been getting my sleep because of a cold keeping me up. I will work up the "Guild Wars with Controllers" page. Then take my meds and go back to bed. Thanks for the hard work on the wiki guys!--Wendy Black 14:03, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Army of deletion

Don't you mean army of merge tags? :P Though tbh, that system is really silly - the only thing denoted in those explorables (and yes, they do exist, but the articles should, at best, be redirects) is the list of NPCs - and that's only because we removed those lists from the quest pages! Konig/talk 11:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

area exists, therefore something should exist where the in game links point, ergo the pages were created. besides, do you really want a mega long list of purity npcs on every page? -_- File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 11:36, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

"the articles should, at best, be redirects" Areas exist, but is there a point in documenting them as separate when they, 1) can have same name as its quest, 2) only document NPCs in the explorable (which would normally be documented on the quest page), and 3) will only ever be encountered via the quest?

Game links can easily be redirected to the quest page, can they not? Imo, redirects should only exist in cases like Warband Training. Otherwise, let's just have things point to the quest! It's a hell of a lot easier to manage and organize. It's also: 1) fewer loading times for readers, 2) keeping related materials together, and 3) overall easier to read.

Also, this. Konig/talk 11:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

be aware that you're going to go hunt down and replace all the in game redirects if they do get deleted. It's tedious. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 11:51, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

This is why I said to keep redirects. If we merge, replacing the articles with redirects, we can use Special:DoubleRedirects to catch any game integration links with ease (I see there's already some from old moves... *goes fix*). After that's done, then we can delete the redirects. Konig/talk 11:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Mission Overviews

"The Door of Komalie is not far off. Establish a foothold on the island and begin to work your way towards it. "

Remember this talk? Just leave the overview alone :D

At the moment I just said: Well...okay and moved along. But after a month I am still asking myself: why did you said that? The quote above is from Ring of Fire mission. It bugs me as many other pages because the content there is weird. In this case: "Establish a foothold"? Like what? A base? What would Ember Light Camp be then? Yoshida Keiji talk 09:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

If I look at the map for this mission I see that there are 2 main islands within the ring of fire - the first has Perdition rock and the main section of this mission - then you cross the bridge to the second island after the gatehouse. To me this makes sense with the overview since you're working towards the second island. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpgChieftain Alex 13:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

*sees my name in edit summary, reads section to see why my name was mentioned* How the heck did I become the go-to lore guy? I'm not *that* knowledgeable in lore... come on. On topic: Ring of Fire has 3 main islands - Perdition Rock is on its own island, as is 90% of RoF mish. That said, RoF is making a foothold, and the base which it becomes is Abaddon's Mouth (outpost) - more of a mediary camp of resting 5-10 minutes to remember the dead - effectively, we make three footholds (Ember Light Camp, Ring of Fire outpost, and Abaddon's Mouth outpost). If I had to write up that overview, I'd probably change it to "Assault the Mursaat fortress and gain footing on the third island of the Ring of Fire Islands." or some such. Current is fine, grammatically and purpose-wise, but it just sounds a bit odd, mainly cuz it implies the Door of Komalie is part of the Ring of Fire mission. Konig/talk 16:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) <wonders how it is that Konig doesn't know why he is the go-to guy for lore> – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Asking for help

re: this edit

I copied "Ask for help if still neccesary" verbatim from the HM quest article. I guess we didn't notice it before.

It's true that asking for help is sort of an assumed part of any walkthrough. OTOH, lots of people who have had trouble with this one spend more time complaining about the difficulty level rather than trying to get assistance...so apparently, it's an option folks forget about. (I never understand why ppls spend hours and hours using the same strategy, without going back to drawing board or requesting help or aid.)

Anyhow, thanks for fixing it up to wiki standards. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:50, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I just thought it was odd to note it! (I have helped at least one person through Hm - much easier post update, I ran with just communing rit (st as elite, shelter instead of dissonance) and SoS hybrid healer (and an ineptitude mesmer when not taking silly humans through) ) I'm pretty sure just about anything will work for that quest now even in hm. (didn't die even once post update with that q in hm or nm). File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 21:33, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I think you can take any four-toon VQ team now because the mobs are farther apart. But you do need a robust team, since it's easy to get overwhelmed. And it's possible to lose a peasant if you are too slow. (However, absolutely far, far easier now.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 05:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Lost historical data

In using the reward template, you appear to have inadvertently removed the date when NF missions first began to offer rep bonuses. Among historical data, this is among the most trivial points...so I'm not sure it's any great loss. If it was a deliberate choice on your part, I'm inclined to leave well enough alone. However, if it was accidental, I might go back and restore the dates. Whaddya think? – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I felt it was unimportant enough (ancient history) to lose. Plus it detracts from the actual trivia, e.g. Blacktide Den being known as the Bayou.

If you thought it was appropriate, we could always add a trivia note to the bottom of the Cooperative Mission page (I think this is a decent idea rather than repeating the note) File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 10:51, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

We, unfortunately, don't distinguish (on this wiki) between trivia, easter eggs, historical data/notes, inspirational source material, and real life connections — these are all covered under Trivia. We don't have a particularly high standard for what to include, but even before your edit, I was unsure about whether that bullet was notable enough.

However, I like your idea of adding a generalized note to the coop mish page; that's how we handle other trivia associated with a category of articles (e.g. the Edwin Starr/War association with the Wanted bounties are noted on Wanted!, not on the individual pages). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Winds of Change

Alex, do you think it would be possible for you to help me with Finding Jinnai in HM?, i have been trying for several hours and no one seems to be on who can help me. please?, I'll pay if you want cash. It'll have to be tommorow. --Thon Ghul Talk 19:06, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm working on a project at the moment - I should have time in about 18 hours time from now. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 19:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively I'm online right now. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, im on, you able to help now? --Thon Ghul Talk 14:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Quest got owned. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 15:26, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

O yes it did. TY --Thon Ghul Talk 15:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Alex, i had a problem in the house, I had had to go for a few min. I didn't mean to have to go. Want money?, ill give it. Want an Apology?I'm sorry. I don't enjoy not playing Guildwars. Sorry that it seemed like I afked for the quest. --Thon Ghul Talk 23:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't bother me much, it will just make me less inclined to help you later. Not that you'll need it given the quest is a pushover. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 23:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Please forgive me, I really didn't mean to be afk, Im sorry that i angered you.--Thon Ghul Talk 23:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

"why have articles for renamed foes?"

Re: [2]

Because they are named differently? Why separate Greves the Overbearing from Danthor the Adamant? Why separate any uniquely named NPC from a generic named NPC? Because they're different NPCs. Regardless if the build and model are the same, because such happens a lot. So don't call me a twit for doing the obvious of different NPCs = different articles. Konig/talk 19:57, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

You, sir...

Owe me a new keyboard for that awesome image. >.> -- Traveler (talk) 19:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)