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A fresh user page[edit]

Sup all? --

excited much[edit]

That edit comment made me giggle. :D -- Salome User salome sig2.png 14:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I call it where I see it. and I'm glad I can add some humor to your day. --JonTheMon 15:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This is comment by Drason Duskfall(I wrote this), please delete this after you read...or I will. But how do I send messages? How do I delete an image I uploaded? I can't find a good help page.

Notes on Essence Bond page[edit]

Hi Jon. I have to thank you for your kind support about this story and also for the improvement you made to the text. Of course you're very right when saying that health degen. etc... aren't considered damage sensu GW, but I found this fact not obvious IG since its still hurts a given target. That is why I thought interesting to add it as a note : newcommers to the game might find that useful. Having said that, I won't change a single pixel of what you made on this page ;o) But just a suggestion : perhaps giving an internal link to the Damage page also in the concise description of the skill would help ? Again, thank you and have a nice day. Stomatium


Thanks. I'm not thinking :P - anja talk 14:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

NP, it happens. and until you check, it looks like a "hmm, what can I get away with" edit. I guess I'm just too suspicious. --JonTheMon 14:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

On the Sogolon article[edit]

I don't want to make an edit war out of it, but it seems a little self-righteous of you to say "Personally, I don't see that" and use that as justification to undo my edit; I only mentioned it was possible, after all. I just think "One blow and goodbye" sounds a little too much like "One blow and au revoir(sp?)" for it to be a coincidence. The same for "Impossible deeds are my daily fare" and "Impossible deeds should be his daily fare." (The first of each pair being Sogolon's lines, and the second being from the lyrics.) While I respect that you may think this is a bit of a stretch, I'm going to re-edit the page and just state more clearly that this is just speculation and the facts are freely open to interpretation; obviously, nothing's been proven. I'm not going to bother going back to it after that (it's just trivia, after all), so if you really really really really think it's worth reverting again, have at. -- 03:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[edit]

Then you're grinding even longer. -Auron 09:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, nightfall characters have to grind for r7, well before they can beat the game and unlock hard mode. -Auron 09:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Also also, you can vanquish every zone that gives sunspear points twice and not have 50,000 points. Every character I've taken through NF has ended between 7 and 8 - even if you add the ~20,000 you get for vanquishing every single area once onto the 7500 for rank 8, you still haven't hit rank 10. That's a grind title no matter how you look at it, bro. -Auron 09:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
There are still quests, which gave the most points to me. With my dervish I didn't need to farm for sunspear points, I always had enough. poke | talk 12:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Isn't, by definition, every title a grind title (except maybe guardian/item related)? --JonTheMon 14:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Every character that I have is at least R7 Sunspear without ever entering hardmode, vanquishing, doing a crapload of quests, etc etc. Some are even R8. Most of them haven't gone past Venta Cemetery. The ones that finish Nightfall usually stay at 7-8 because you transfer to LB points fairly quickly after that point of the game. I could never understand folks who claimed that Nightfall "required" grind; I've always met/far exceeded the requisite points/levels for any of those things. :\ Vili User talk:Vili 08:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
My characters are generally r7 by the end of the entire campaign - nightfall characters, however, must be r7 before sunspear sanctuary (which, in most cases by far, requires a lot of grind).
When NF came out, I grinded on the bugs outside sunspear hall on istan for points, since it was quicker than leveling. Later on, I had to grind on the bugs outside yohlon to get enough sunspear points for general. Hell, my friend's dad just played through that part (like last week or the week before) and spent at least two hours killing bugs for that title (he obviously hasn't beaten the game, since he just got NF). There's a point when you just can't ignore how grindy something is.
@Jon - no. The title system in the game is more or less a grind system, showing how much time you've put in instead of how much skill it took, but there are a few exceptions (legendary vanquisher or guardian, for example, while it takes a lot of time, it isn't doing the same shit over and over like farming ss/lb points requires). However, a few titles are so blatantly and obviously grind titles (sunspear, lightbringer, all the rep titles in eotn, and every single pvp title) that they really cannot be categorized any other way. -Auron 15:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how y'all must be doin it wrong, then, since I never had to kill bugs or do any grind like that... If you are a foreigner, it's even easier, because you can just repeat that one quest like three times (<1hour) and get all the way to R7. Vili User talk:Vili 15:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I think they took away that req for foreigners. I do know that the last NF char I made I had to farm for points, but that's b/c I got off noob island as fast as I could. --JonTheMon 16:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Still not what the Wiki is for. Put your opinions in your userspace. Or use PVX wiki for it. Backsword 14:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Backswords, while I know you're trying to facilitate the flow by indenting under the comment you're responding to, I think it might end up causing confusion instead. Why not just use "(re:Auron)" and keep the indentations intact? --JonTheMon 14:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Cause that's what the indents are supposed to be used for. All the wiki pros use indents. Vili User talk:Vili 16:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
It isn't an opinion. Read the article on wikipedia or don't bother posting, backsword. -Auron 15:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Legendary edit[edit]

Hi John, Thanks for the feedback on having too much detail in a walkthrough. I can be a little long winded, Lol xD. However, I think that the information about being able to combine the three quests into one run is going to save some people alot of time.Because that is not covered in the original article, I will add that one statement back to the edit. Thanks. (Tempest 19:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC))


I won't argue with not adding the shields, but note that there is a link to common armor already in the right pane :). Cheers Faalagorn/ 16:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC).

It is in the right pane and therefore redundant. Removing (good catch). --JonTheMon 16:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

GWW:NPA Edit[edit]

Good point, I wasn't thinking straight evidently, thank you. – josəph 15:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Do no revert my edit.[edit]

If you have a problem with it then voice it on my talk page. Also, if you have a problem with it then I advise you remove my chart from here as well (which I might add has been up for close to 2 years). This is a wiki, information is vital and nothing about my charts are "redundant". If you still believe I am wrong then contact a SYSOP and have them take down both my gladiator math/chart and my hero math/chart. Thank you. --Uchiha Lena 23:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you dispute Fighterdoken's edit? --JonTheMon 01:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I certainly do. --Uchiha Lena 04:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Did you read the Acquisition section? Isn't it presenting the same information as the paragraph you are adding aka redundant? --JonTheMon 04:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and don't violate GWW:1RV. --JonTheMon 04:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Point out how the information I have provided is insignificant. I am wondering how 'information' that is completely relevant on how much time/playing it would take (at MINIMUM) to maxing out this title. Overall, it points out a solid ground of an idea of just how time consuming/dedication is required, if anything--- hence, it is NOT redundant. -Uchiha Lena 05:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Also, my question still stands. If there is a problem with this then why was the information (the math) I added to here not removed 2 years ago when I first applied it? And why is it still there to this day? Yea... okay. --Uchiha Lena 04:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC) --Uchiha Lena 05:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
How much math we should do for wiki articles is somewhat debatable. I feel that if it's simple (1+2+3+4+4+4+4+....) then it doesn't need to be spelled out further. So, I was totally against your paragraph (redundant) and minorly against your table (maths). --JonTheMon 12:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Jon, a simple 1/2/3/4 progression is a lot easier to understand than the complex hero title progression, so that is not a valid argument. I would be fine with the table but the rest, especially the text about the time you need is completely rubbish. The title is not bound to RA only, and it is very unlikely that you only do 5-consecutive wins always. There are times where you don't even get so far or where you easily get 10 or even more wins in a row. poke | talk 16:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, apparently I forgot about the consecutive part. Well, the math for that is OK-ish. It's a bit verbose now. I would just leave it at "Would need X consecutive wins to max title from 0. At 5 minutes per match it would take Y hours." And Poke, his math assumes consecutive sets of 5 wins. --JonTheMon 17:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


Care to explain? (Which browser are you using btw?) I certainly never got any issues on my side, and apparently not anyone else who locked at it either. And I did test that extensivly. Perhaps a screenshot? Backsword 19:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I used chrome and this is what i got: File:User JonTheMon QI Chrome View.JPG. --JonTheMon 19:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Huh, that's really wide. It's supposed to be like between 'boxes' with labels. And That seems to be what FF and IE gives. Guess Oprea is not used by anyone. However: The Tengu Accords. This works for you? Backsword 20:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Why is the image outside of the infobox? --JonTheMon 20:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that sorta what I'm wondering here. It wasn't with the code I tested. Backsword 20:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Getting rid of white spaces and putting rows inside of #if's don't always work out. --JonTheMon 20:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Is that better? --JonTheMon 20:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Looks fine on my side. No change in the whitespace, so if that's ok on your side, all should be well. Backsword 20:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi folks. Sorry to burst in on your discussion. I'm not all too knowledgable in wiki code, but there is a call to {{clear}} in the template code. Could that be the issue? (Ralmon the Gen 20:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC))
The clear is below the noiclude, so it has no effect on the infobox. It's just there to push the documentation below the box. (And has always been there)Backsword 20:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
There you go. Another feature for me to pay attention to... :) Cheers (Ralmon the Gen 20:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC))

this image[edit]

Found the image interesting, and was brought up at User talk:Indochine. Could you crop out the windows scrollbar? I don't have access to anything image-edit wise yet, so I can't. Thanks. ^^ --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler 21:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

mspaint ftw. --JonTheMon 22:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem is...[edit]

Some people did and still try to convince you that it is mandatory. I thought that with that note they would not be able to force other players to be some kind of EoE mules, having to invest in an attribute line that break their build. Yseron - 20:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

It'd probably be more useful to reword the article throughout to make it that EoE is recommended, but not mandatory. The question is, how much does it gimp the party to not have EoE for the end boss? --JonTheMon 20:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Good question... I do not know the answer (wich must depend on team composition...) Yseron - 20:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Now why did you go and do that?[edit]

What was your reason for pulling the 'auto-rotation' trivia item. 'auto' in this case referrers to 'self', not automatic. She does spin herself dizzy to the point where she falls down, only to pick herself up and do it again. That classifies as an addiction. So, WTF? --mtew 13:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

While she does spin herself around, what is up with the 'dizzy dame' thing? --JonTheMon 13:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) While the usage of auto is correct (see w:Autoerotic asphyxiation for example), the trivia is random and untrue. I'll call her a dizzy dame to her face. Misery 13:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Misery: I'd like to see you do it. You'll just get an error message. Also, this is exaggeration for affect.
Jon: It's an semi-classic expression of the politically incorrect variety. It's used in various old movies. I heard both my parents use it on more than one occasion. I shifted the meaning a bit, which makes it a play on words. What, are puns not allowed? --mtew 14:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the point is it seems like you are more making a joke that displaying trivia. No one in game mentions that she is a dizzy dame behind her back or comments that they wouldn't dare say it to her face, it seems like pure construction on your part. Misery 14:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
So? --mtew 14:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
He's saying we don't care about you :P --JonTheMon 14:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
That much is obvious. :þ  --mtew 14:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Slippery slopeism, might as well add something like "Looks like he's had a few too many pies!" to Norgu. We document the game, not the wit of our contributors. Trivia sections are usually for references confirmed by Arenanet staff and explanations of uncommon terms, not comical observations. Misery 14:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
And you will defend the WIKI against such harmless comedy? Very puritanical. I object. (Oh, and if the Norgu comment were added, it should at least strongly suggest 'in the face'.) --mtew 14:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm a very serious person Mtew, comedy offends me and I will defend the innocent from its vile doings. Misery 14:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles are for factual documentation, not so-called "humour" or "comic relief". If you really want to impart some humour, put it on your userpage or something. --User Pling sig.png Brains12 \ talk 18:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The information is factual. She does spin herself dizzy to the point of falling down. So what if the presentation is comic? --mtew 18:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Wiki iz srsbsns. Honestly, though, that edit is just for you since most others don't get it/appreciate it. Focused articles with facts benefit everyone. --JonTheMon 18:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Just because it had to be explained to you does not mean noone else will understand it... --mtew 19:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Understanding is only partially relevant (it would help make a note clearer); the issue is that consensus has stated that articles should contain facts and reduce the presence of opinions and personal bias. --JonTheMon 19:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
You did not leave the item up long enough for a consensus to form. You stuffed your opinion down everyone else's throat. I object! --mtew 19:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Never got a chance to revert this, but my reaction to coming across the statement was "Uh, what? What does that even mean?". If I came upon it without knowing much about Gwen, I would have thought it was some reference to how the other characters in the game think about her, or at least a badly-labeled comment about a common in-joke among the community in general (i.e. not one person). --Star Weaver 19:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Are you kidding me? The note made no sense and I was a bit baffled when I read it in the same way Star was. If you were meaning to say that she spins around and falls on occasion, that would have been better to put than what you placed in the article. --Shadowphoenix User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png 19:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Now that is a good point. Was the connection between falling down and dizzy too obscure or the reference to 'dizzy dame' to antiquated? How would you phrase it? --mtew 19:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
If you wished to state it as a fact you should have said Sometimes Gwen will spin around, dizzying herself to the point of falling down. --JonTheMon 20:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the problem is just the implcation that NPCs or the commnity often calls her a dizzy dame (and does it behind her back), not the meaning or antiquity. That's all. --Star Weaver 20:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Then the implicit reference to the 'evil Gwen' and all the discussion that went with it got completely lost. That sucks. --mtew 20:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


wut -- Halogod35 User Halogod35 Sig.jpg 17:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I stick my tongue out at thee :P --JonTheMon 17:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I get bored around here. My watch list never updates that much anymore << -- Halogod35 User Halogod35 Sig.jpg 17:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Then add more pages to it! :D poke | talk 17:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't have any other pages I need to add to it. lol... hmm.. Chess anyone? o.O -- Halogod35 User Halogod35 Sig.jpg 17:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Game updates/20090401[edit]

Since there appear to still be folks that try to 'fix' this page, do you think it would be useful to have a message at the top telling them it was an April Fool's joke by Anet? Might prevent the need for continued reverts. 07:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Its common sense, but I put the disclaimer up. Dominator Matrix 07:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, common sense. Sadly, 'sense' takes a dive sometimes, as I know in my own life so well ;p Thanks, Dom. 07:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Your Welcome :). Dominator Matrix 07:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


You made a change on the knockdown introduction, but all the skills are listed below... I think the whole paragraph in question can be deleted because the next paragraph talks about the increased duration knockdowns from stonefist, which is what the original line was implying that warriors are the common users... just seems messy MrPaladin talk 19:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Just 'cause there's a list of skills below doesn't mean that a summary is unnecessary. --JonTheMon 19:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Cept the summary is using specifics MrPaladin talk 19:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Would you be happy with just Many classes can knock targets down, but the most common source of knockdowns come from Warriors and Assassins ? --JonTheMon 19:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Yer something like that (cept keep in mind the number of KD skills elementalists have) which is why I'm almost for deleting the whole line... but yer that works MrPaladin talk 19:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
To be honest, like a year ago all KDs came from hammers, Bull's and Shock, assassins weren't even in the metagame. Now people are running Mind Shock in spike builds and Palm Strike assassins with Trampling so the whole note has become somewhat redundant. There are plenty of sources of KD in the current metagame. Misery 16:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Mel's Shot[edit]

My bad, didn't read the first bit. ~~ 16:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Learn to play[edit]

The majority of your "contributions" are reversions of topics you have no idea what the hell is about. Learn to play the game instead of trolling contributers, and understand ideas before you revert the contributions of others. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Zeteg (talk).

Please be polite. And stop breaking GWW:1RR. You are allowed to revert a page once. If multiple people are reverting you, please discuss it on the talk page rather than continuing to revert something. --KOKUOU 07:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


That's the ONLY one you want to remove? Misery 14:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Those pages have been.... odd for a very long time. I'm not sure how much each of those actually gets used (different communities, different abbreviations), but I try to get rid of the ones as I see them that are a bit of a stretch. --JonTheMon 14:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Expert Focus[edit]

I noticed you reverted the changes to the Notes section of Expert Focus and I was wondering if you might be amenable to a version somewhere in between our two versions (I am the author of the previous version (it was before I made an account :)) From the Talk page of Expert Focus it seems that there is some confusion about what the table means, and how expert focus actually works. Expanding the notes to say that it can reduce the cost by 0 energy might help in reducing the confusion. :) Honestly I'm not sure of a good way to explain it without being verbose. >< Xlegna 18:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

How about adding to the first note: Because of this, sometimes no energy is saved when factoring in Expertise. ? --JonTheMon 20:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good to me! :) Xlegna 20:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


Do you have any idea how many reverts I've gotten an edit conflict from you on? X) — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 15:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol no idea. If I'm the one who beats you all the time I never notice :P --JonTheMon 15:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Quite a few, I haven't kept track. I think someone has me covered with "Too Slow!". — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 15:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
It must be because you're both Jons ... :) --Star Weaver 16:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
There can only be one! — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 16:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Moving moves[edit]

Thanks for moving that aberrant Twigy image again. Typos are bad news when you're moving something >< --snogratUser Snograt signature.png 18:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Red bar...[edit]

I only meant to say that once, anyhow, and it is kinda silly at that, dunno why I was thinking it. Mend being removed is fine, wasn't sure it should be there, but Live Vicariously can only be used to heal the caster, albeit through an odd method, so shouldn't that be there? :) --Star Weaver 19:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

What if your ally that has Live Vicariously is blinded? No health there. Typically, i'd try to limit self-heals to things where you can control when the heals occur. --JonTheMon 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Hm, that's a point :). --Star Weaver 21:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Rebirth Revert[edit]

I'm not really sure what your objection is for my note on Rebirth regarding Glyph of Lesser said that you'd "probably be waiting a long time on a near wipe anyway" ...but my note is intended as a way to make that time don't have to wait a long time. And heck, if the monk is carrying it (God forbid), or better yet, the Ele, odds are they'll have GoLE on their bar anyway, making the combo a fairly nice time-saver. Not to point fingers or anything, but the fact that you reverted a whole 12 minutes after I posted the note kind've makes me think you could've made your objections known on the discussion page as well. Erring Ryft 01:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I tend to keep track of mainspace much better than talk space. Anyhow, I'll start discussion on talk:rebirth. --JonTheMon 03:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


Does mean f' the world outside of the intarnets, apparently: w:ftw ... not sure if anyone on das intarnets actually uses it that way ever though. Not worth a direct alternate use mark like you removed. I dunno. I'm tired and bored so don't mind the babalinging. ^_^ --Star Weaver 17:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

FTW = For The Win. Antonym: FTL (For The Lose) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) at 17:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC).
Well, that was the given, no? --Star Weaver 17:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


I'm not breaking it yet because you ECed me on the revert on Regina's page. Thanks. :) — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 17:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Double linking[edit]

Hey, if in a section a word is already linked, it doesn't need to be linked again. So, if a skill has links in the full description, you don't need to link again in the concise.

Sorry for any errors and will refrain from double links. As for the 'Concise-description', nearly all of the -List of <type> skills- use concised wording yet many dont have any convinient matching links. Ive been editing these for months now whenever cross-referancing skills for suggestion purposes (particualy in relation to Ritualist), and your the first to bring this up as an issue. Am I wrong to continue doing so? ^_^ --Falconeye 22:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... I hadn't considered the lists using the links..... I think perhaps this should be brought up on GWW:RFC or GWWT:FORMAT. --JonTheMon 23:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Taken from here. The -one link- thing is intended to avoid repitition in running text. Seperate things that are displayed in various locations are not part of that. So, am I cleared to proceed as before, minus the double links? --Falconeye 08:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I'd say since it' separate functionality, go ahead and do it for now, but we need to possibly make some changes somewhere. But that's later and shouldn't make you have to do anything extra. --JonTheMon 07:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


userPageVandalCount += 4; — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 06:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I dunno. I might only count it as one, since really it's the same "incident". --JonTheMon 14:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
*Shrugs* Your page. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 15:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Lol, by having that userbox on your page makes it more susceptible to vandalism. -- Halogod35 User Halogod35 Sig.jpg 15:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Meh. Just being on vandal patrol makes me more susceptible to vandalism. And one thing it's useful for is getting those people on the borderline of vandalism to step over. --JonTheMon 15:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Lol, true, but i still thing that box is a vandal magnet. -- Halogod35 User Halogod35 Sig.jpg 15:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
GAH!!! temptation!!! Its like telling your kid "Don't you go and lure the neighbors cat into a cardboard box, dump gasoline on the box, and light it on fire." StatMan 17:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Soldiers Of Underworld League[edit]

Yeah sorry about that. I'm wiki'ing with my phone and somehow missed being redirected :S - J.P.User J.P. sigicon.pngTalk 14:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Meh. I just figured you were tagging it thinking the guild page already existed. --JonTheMon 14:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Zaishen Challenge Quest/mission preload[edit]

Hey there, I've commented out the section part of the infobox this time. Would this work better? I just reckon having the template show up in the list of missions is rather ugly. -- Hong 13:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

That's a better solution, since it does preserve the information that should be there. However, I'd run it by Poke and get his approval. --JonTheMon 14:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
This is even better :) poke | talk 14:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

re: wyn's rfa[edit]

You don't have the first clue about that entire situation. It wasn't a "here, why don't you look at this situation and see if this person needs to be banned," it was a "I'm pissed off at this person so ban him now." The former would have been good - however, in reality, the former didn't happen. It came down to her mood deciding what she wanted to happen instead of logic and reason - the result was nox's crusade against me, which she did abso-fucking-lutely nothing to stop. There was nothing "right" or "good" about the way she handled the situation. -Auron 13:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Then why did you go ahead and ban nox? And at least she realized there was a conflict of interest. --JonTheMon 13:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Because I was stupid, and like you, thought she was acting for the betterment of the wiki. I have realized since, especially from her lack of defending me against Nox's bullshit, that she wasn't actually acting for the betterment of the wiki, she was just pissed off. Her subsequent guilt trip led to the ban being lifted/lightened, which, combined with her lack of defending me/telling people the truth of the scenario, led to a "omg auron banned nox biasedly."
And no, she didn't realize there was a conflict of interest. Stop making shit up. -Auron 13:52, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I was not privy to the complete situation surrounding Nox's ban, so I made my conclusions based on what I saw. Namely, that Wyn could have banned Nox herself but didn't, which appear to be the actions of someone avoiding conflict of interest. And while the situations you brought up do shed a negative light on Wyn, I do think that retaining her as sysop would net a significant plus for the wiki. A few misuses of her position are things to be concerned about and would be strong evidence for an RfR, but the bulk of her work, imo, outweighs that. --JonTheMon 14:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

zaishen bounty: mobrin[edit]

for your convenience: hope it helps --The Almighty Ectoplasm 01:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I dont care if you go with Gold or Gold but every page should be the same. Ive checked several pages and they all have the Gold. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png DrogoBoffin 01:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
i've read quite a few talk pages as of late. it seems it's been decided that we are going to be using "Gold" now instead of "Gold". it's all a matter of time before we get through all of the quests and change them accordingly. --The Almighty Ectoplasm 01:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Could you provide links? Also what have you been on here as since you have only registered today? User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png DrogoBoffin 01:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

helping out people in gw[edit]

would you? = do you have a guild? = are you mature? = how much do you play GW? = ps, sorry for the personal questions but i need to know because i need help.... --Zyree 09:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

As I said I clicked somethign by mistake not for vandalism but to try and find out what the person meant by he was close to being NPA the way he handled things and came at me. So sorry once again I did it by mistake as I didn't know. Maybe if, like people said, he had talked to me in a civil manner and explained to me this discussion would never have happened and I would've known what to do and where to go and there has been a major problem affecting alot of people in the game all weekend. I simply went to the 3 people I knew that have helped me before about it and ended up being attacked very rudely and hateful by this person and I don't even know who he is. Thank you for at least saying something in my defense.--User Jenniffercohen sig.pngJenn 04:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

GWWT...[edit] Evil i say... Evil! :).--Fighterdoken 00:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for that. -- My Talk Lacky 01:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

When did you sleep last time?[edit]

Seriously :D - J.P.ContributionsTalk 03:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

And why do you ask that? --JonTheMon 03:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Good question. I'm the one who needs some sleep here. - J.P.ContributionsTalk 03:37, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks chief[edit]

didnt know how to add to the table for the healing on Shielding Hands Effin NPA's YOU 03:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


But putting it on the skill type page gives the flase impression that it is special to that skill type. Putting it on Energy, Skill or so would make more sense. Backsword 14:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

But every skill requires energy, and it's the biggest category where you can say that. --JonTheMon 14:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Assuming you meant 'not every', that is true, but it's not true it only applies to the largest group that do. Putting it on energy, it certainly would be true that every skill that uses enrgy uses energy. Backsword 14:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I meant every spell requires energy. I figured it should stay on "Spell" because it is true for the whole group. Not just that group, but at least everything in the group. --JonTheMon 14:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
At least qualify it with something like ' As is true for all energy using skills, ', in order to avoid the false info implied. Backsword 14:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it needs a qualifier. It is true for that group of skills. It says nothing about any other group of skills. --JonTheMon 14:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
It still implies that it only applies to spells. I think it would fit better at energy or skill or both, really. It doesn't need to be removed though, just needs to be present there. - anja talk 22:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


[3] Thanks dude! Didn't even realise that >< Mystical Celestia 16:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

My bad[edit]

Didn't mean to remove the skills from Energy_denial . I was considering cut+pasting some skills into alphabetical order, but then changed my mind and forgot to paste. Thanks for catching it. Manifold 01:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


Sorry, I accidentally damaging articles, making synchronization with an encyclopedia of my guild. Extremely tired, in fact confuse the tab GWW and guild wiki. It will not happen again. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).

No hard feelings. It just looked like vandalism from an outside perspective. --JonTheMon 15:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


see you kept my edit to the vandalism box. I wub you. --[[User:Auron's Stalker]] 20:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


Are you on Fable wiki? I noticed someone called JonTheMon made the latest edit to a page. --User Oneshot O.JPGneshot 18:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

That would be me. --JonTheMon 18:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


Last battle was at Abaddon's Gate . In where, he was defeated. It was not Realm of Torment. Your revert is wrong. 05:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

But Abaddon's Gate is in the Realm of Torment. And RoT is more similar to DoA than Abaddon's Gate --JonTheMon 06:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

What? Where?[edit]

I don't see where the remover said he/she understands... - J.P.FeedbackTalk 14:52, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Who cares, they are wrong and only get one revert. Misery 15:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I know they are wrong, but i didn't see the any proof to back up Jon's edit summary. That's why i ask. - J.P.FeedbackTalk 15:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Mostly that the remover actually read the description of HB and realized it did physical damage. --JonTheMon 15:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


Didn't know you could do it that way. Thanks! -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 14:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I actually got the idea from wikia screwing up. Their new Rich Text Editor drops nbsp's everywhere. It's really annoying. --JonTheMon 14:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Air Magic edit[edit]

Hey, I just wanted to ask you about your change of my Air Magic change. You say that one skill does not make it a focus, but Enervating Charge is the only skill to add weakness and only 50% of the time, Shell Shock is the only skill to add Cracked Armor (besides Lightning Orb of course). So interrupts can be a way of debilitating an enemy, which would add Lightning Javalin and also the KD skill if you really wanted to. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Iggy The Iguana (talk).

Lightning Javelin is a quite rare skill choice; no one takes Air Magic for the interrupts. Even Shock would be much more common for that purpose. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 04:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
What are you talking about, Enervating Charge only adding weakness 50% of the time? And an unconditional weakness is pretty easy to apply, esp. with 1s cast and 8s recharge. --JonTheMon 13:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Enervating charge does it all the time of course, and i was talking about cracked armor is the only skill to inflict cracked armor, and THATS only 50% of the time. And honestly, interrupts, no matter how conditional it is, isnt a way to debilitate an enemy? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Iggy the Iguana (talk).
3 things. First, sign your talk page comments with four ~'s. Second, I still don't get what you're saying about 50%. Shell shock always inflicts cracked armor. So are you talking about Lightning Orb then? And for interrupts, while interrupting attacks is fine, generally it's not considered when talking about interrupts like Savage Shot, DShot, etc. --JonTheMon 12:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


Added in the collapse to keep the list from being so 'long' to scroll through. I'll put in for a request to see what can be done then, since you think it's unneeded. It's too long of a page as is. Thanks. 15:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

It might be ok to do a class = "collapsible" so that it's open by default, but some of the other tables can be closed, but I still don't fully see a need for that. --JonTheMon 15:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


You sure? Check talk page. Misery 15:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Fixing broken links/moving pages[edit]

I was working on fixing the links as well Jon, not just changing stuff around for the hell of it. I was making them standard to proper capitalisation.

"Remember, remember the 5th of November... Guy Fawkes 05:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The currently accepted guideline for page names is that they should not be capitalized. Profession names are not proper names, as they do not refer to a single entity, but rather a class of entities. You do not say "a team of Lawyers" but rather "a team of lawyers" - similarly, you would not say "a group of Monks" but rather "a group of monks." Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Flames of the Bear Spirit[edit]

A compliment. It looks better. Just working kinda offline on some pages. It is a helpful note. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jon[edit]

For being the Mon and not being Backsword. Misery 18:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

JonTheBacksword just doesn't have the same ring as JonTheMon 18:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


I win.--- 21:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we please not prolong an edit war?[edit]

I posted this expressly for the purpose of stopping the potential edit war. Can we use it? Please? It's not that I disagree with you, I just want this guy to see what he's got wrong about it (since apparently he doesn't look at the edit history) so he won't keep this up. --[ Kyoshi ]::[ Talk ] 18:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

i suggest[edit]

you lern2reed logs [5] 19:43, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Meh, you were almost asking for it. --JonTheMon 21:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
good call, blame him for YOUR mistake :\ 21:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
If it looks like an IP, why would I go through the trouble of checking the logs of the user? And from the signature you can see that he's trying to mimic an IP, so I was treating him like an IP. --JonTheMon 21:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
If [she] looks like [a slut], why would I go through the trouble of [courting her]? And from the [outfit] you can see that [she's] trying to mimic a [slut], so I was treating [her] like a [slut]. 21:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Lul failz. please try again. --JonTheMon 21:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
you know that an empty page is empty when you edit it to add a deletion tag? you also know that real ips have dots? 22:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
IPs like userpages, so having content there wasn't unusual. And your page wasn't even empty. Also, periods (not dots) are small, so they can be missed if the rest of the information matches --JonTheMon 22:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
fail is fail and stays fail :P but i hope i am not sraining our relation O: 22:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Missions formatting[edit]

One could expect the example on an accepted formatting guideline to be correct. Wouldn't you think? I suggest you fix that one as well when you decide to dig up a close to two-year-old discussion from the talk-page. Further, the other campaigns 50 missions need a change as well. Totte 08:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Upon reading the discussion about the proposed change thoroughly, I must say that I don't think there actually is consensus for changing the order of the navboxes. Anja and Xeeron is for changing it, while Aspectacle is undecided in his last comment from January 14, 2008. Since nothing has happened since then, I feel it's not fair to revert my changes based on this discussion. I followed the accepted formatting, and unless you present stronger arguments I remain unconvinced. Totte 08:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Um, they are both mission Navagation boxes. Not boxes containing area information like say a Shing Jea Islands Navagation box. It only has a specific order on missions and areas, not on mission boxes themselves. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 09:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I know that. I'm talking about the order of those boxes (campaign-wide vs. region-wide). And in the example on the actual (accepted) formatting guideline, they are listed as campaign first and region last. But who am I to know that a 22 month old discussion on the talk page should have precedence? Totte 09:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Did you notice that the example region template (which specifies region, not missions in a region) no longer actually exists? --JonTheMon 13:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Here's the 'example'
{{Nightfall Missions}}
{{Areas of Kourna}}
And the new current factions missions.
{{Missions in Kaineng City}}
{{Factions missions}}
Notice the difference, Totte? No word of 'Area' in factions missions, just missions. The thing you was pointing at, was talking about the 'Area' of that section, not missions in that section. It does not mention how to arrange the order of the missions, just 'missions' and 'Areas'. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 19:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

New categories[edit]

The categories are no different than current ones, but I'd classify them as being character-specific. It's mostly for if your character has a back story to them, like perhaps a paragon from Vabbi instead of Istan. Similar to how some necros use Curses instead of Blood Magic. Tender Wolf 05:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

nom (i.e. Why aren't you a sysop???)[edit]

GWW:RFA#Pending nominations. -- pling User Pling sig.png 13:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


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