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I see people that are willing to sell Zaishen Keys for more than 200k

I can't understand what people get their stuff from, is it merchandising? Nerd Farming?


i think its possible to get the Zkeys with balthazar or your respective canthan faction... is it? if so.. from who? Briar 23:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Briar

You can get zkeys with Balthazar Faction, not Allegiance Faction, its 5k from Tolkano in the Great Temple of Balthazar and probably some other places, but i buy all mine from there -- Zojun's Haste.jpgC4K3 15:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

remove the consumables

Wow, a zaishen key is worth 5K and what did I get? A stupid Creme Brulee. Anet, is this the "epic" reward system you have promised us? You have to understand, pvp-ers have no use for consumables. My suggestion is to add a npc who hands out consumables for faction (for example 1K faction for 1 {put consumable here}) Please, make the chest drop ANYTHING apart from consumables. Thx -Jon -- 17:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I die a little inside everytime I get a drink. lol but hearing that its like a "lottery machine" You have to expect a lot do i say.....bad drops in with a few good. Besides, Chest runners or hunters or w/e they are called, usually dont get very good drops and key prices can go up quite a bit. I remember back in the day *long story*. But even though I HATE spedning 5k balth on drink, I don't think they should be removed. Maybe increase the rate of weapons just a tad, but not get rid of them. Ajc2123
Yeah, consumables dropping from it are dumb. It's bad enough that non-elite tomes drop, but jeez... -Auron 00:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Some people need drinks for a title and have no pve characters. Also, its a GAMBLE, thats what you are doing is gambling. Can't expect to get all weapons or something. Ajc2123
I'm not expecting all weapons. I'm expecting all items to be even remotely useful. -Auron 01:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Title Ajc2123
Yeah... I don't need consumables to work on my PvP titles. Because remember, this is a chest for PvPers, using faction you only get from PvP. -Auron 01:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
PvP people DO work on titles though. Ajc2123

Resetting the indent. The Zaishen Chest is a GAMBLE, people. Just like the Coffer of Whispers. The odds of you getting something extremely valuable from it is low, but you never know, you MIGHT get lucky. If you're the kind of person who doesn't like that kind of risk, then sell the Zaishen Keys. I see people offering to buy them for 3 - 5k in Great Temple of Balthazar all the time. - Zaxares 02:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I wonder how much more annoying it would be if the chest, instead of dropping worthless PvE items, dropped an item that gave you 1k Balthazar faction. Only 4k more to try again. --Reklaw 21:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Noooooooot worthless, itsa gamble, all items work for titles or give aw way to the complaining pvpers who couldnt get them before to get the potions etc. Its fine the way it is. Ajc2123

I'm not the gambling type of person. Just let us choose our rewards. Most games which feature rewards allows us to choose what kind of reward we want for the effort. I don't have anything against a chest dropping random loot, but when there come consumables that aren't even worth the 5K faction, then this "epic reward system" is to be disputed. Anet, please think this through. -Jon -- 20:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I would rather the Tomes were seems kind of silly to have skill tomes for PvP rewards...since a pure PvP account has no use for them. At all. No titles. Nothing. -{Srakin 08:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's a concept. You ready for this? Maybe, just maybe, the keys were never worth 5k to begin with. People are just gullible and/or stupid. 15:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. They are literally worth nothing. Just go do some Random Arenas for a little while like people normally do, and you get a key as a bonus present. — Eloc 19:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Here's another concept...Maybe, just maybe, this chest wasn't made for people who ONLY like to PvP! =O A lot of people like to do both PvE and PvP, so this chest is great for them. They get to add stuff to titles for free (assuming they don't buy the keys) with the chance of getting a rare. Also, as it has been said before, this Chest is a gamble. Be glad that you're getting at least something instead of having half the keys being duds. Datrulegend 02:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ummmm... this might be a dumb question, but it also might very well be the most profound, overlooked, and insightful question to ever cross the "Pure PvPer's" arguments... What rewards could you get that are possibly of more use to you than consumable's or tomes? FleshAndFaith 08:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I've now ten times in a row (I've been counting) gotten either flasks or brulees from this chest, I can't see why 5,000 Balth faction or 500 Copper Coins is worth a sweet tooth point.Eive Windgrace 22:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
FTL, opened it 10 times. 7 Flasks of firewater. Maybe not remove consumables, but lower their drop rate maybe.--Saera Serena 06:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

anyone get anything from it

the Zachien chest anyone get anything?

10 times I've opened that chest. all I've gotten were creme brulees. thats it. nothing else. I think the gods hate me.
Oh ive opeed it about 15 times, had an elite tome and 4 golds(no special skils), but the rest was firewater :P, still, everything I did get was useless >.> 08:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I think that i meant to put skins not skils :O 08:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

i doubt it,

ive searched, i believe its a hoax. if anyone knows anything about it, would be nice to know.

plus i dont trust anything from someone who speaks in leet on wiki...thats just me.

it was real, but i didnt get to it. that must be why it was forcing everyone off. This will be a big discussion i think. Dervish-tango-icon-20.pngDevi Talk 02:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
It's real, I have a screen shot. 02:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Yea def. real, post pic please. Mango

well, is it going to be used if you win like 25 in a row on zaishen elite or something?

wait, what do you mean "forcing everyone off"

I've been running around with the "new build available" thing bugging me for a while. I popped over to the Great Temple of Balthazar once I'd finished my long run to Rata Sum, and tried entering the Isle of the Nameless, and it just hung, forcing me to quit. I'm guessing this is the "forcing everyone off" being refered to. Now that I've updated, I can get in, but of course now there's no chest to be found. -- 02:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

btw dont delete this because everyone should know this IMO

I thought it was going to be like a PvP item or something - didn't think it was a glitch until after I opened it, maybe it's a reward for finishing all the challenges on the Isle? Anon

Heres a pic

Not a Bug

The game just didn't magically create this item out of nothing.... It must exist within the game, just access to it might have been a bug.. Anon

I looked in isle and didnt find nything, mebbe whoever made this article would like to elaborate on how to find this? 02:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

ok guys, i think u get it after like 25 wins in the zaishen elite or something because, it makes sense, and two, the mesmers are using lightng surge, UPDATE PLZ?

The chest has been removed but it did exist. My guess is it wasn't supposed to be where it was, but there is some other way to get it. So maybe it's a new addition to do with the ATS or some kind of PvP reward? Alternatives it could be some kind of testing chest the devs use and it was accidentally put into the game, but is only used for testing.
Izzy once admitted to a GM only skill, and later in that stated it is in the .dat file... perhaps this chest is two, and is used for testing randomness?-- 04:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I accually think its the new use for Balth faction, since they seem to be coming out with a new way to spend it Anti 20:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey look i was right :D Anti 03:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


Inappropriate. I think it still does exist we just don't know where. Anon

OK Gaile has shed a single ray of light on this now; As to what that was all about... let's just say that there are some cool things coming. :) -- Gaile 02:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
O!!!!!--Fishy Go Moo 17:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I hope it's 5000 Balth = Chest Open. -AyaStowar
If i could get anything useful with balth faction now that i'm uax, ill be pretty gosh darn happy. —JediRogue 23:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 :O You mean this may finally be the end of those +0 +0 +0 balth faction pop-ups in AB? Woohoo, does happy dance. About darn time too. I collected tokens for a while out of sheer desperation, until people started complaining I was filling up the guild mule XD Liselle Morrow 11:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Before Gaile steps in and makes a friendly reminder, this was something I put together, she didn't say anything definite about this, it's just suspicion for now. Anon
Firewater is yummy...but bad for the tummy.--Ryudo 02:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Drop Rates?

Anyone have any data whatsoever on drop rates? This is not a formal survey, but I would merely like to know what the chest is likely to drop... -- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 04:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't have official data, but out of 10 openings, I got 2 Creme Brulees, 1 Beetle Juice Tonic, 2 Flasks of Firewater, 2 Tomes and 3 rare weapons. -AyaStowar
Broadblade Scimtar and Pronged Spear both req. 9 06:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
1 Warrior Tome, 1 Flask of Firewater, 1 Yuletide Tonic, 2 Creme Brulees, 3 max Rare/Gold items(Platinum Wand r9, Flame Artifact r11, Bronze Shield r10) Veldrik 06:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
An alliance member got a r9 Eternal Blade from his first key out of fifteen - I imagine we'll be seeing Crystalline Swords coming out of this thing as well... --Kikuta 09:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's my data: 28 flasks of firewater, 27 creme brulee, 2 beetle juice, 3 transmogrifier, 3 yuletide, 16 normal tomes, 4 elite tomes, 4 lockpicks and 42 gold items (3 Runic Blades). I had 597 Tournament reward points and 50k faction, in case you're wondering why I got so many already. Zophar 12:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I was actually more interested in the drop rates of specific, noteworthy rare items such as eternal blades... Anyone care to share -- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 02:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
A guild mate got a req9 Crystelline sword on his first try. x.x --Mme. Donelle 15:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
If you haven't done yet, please input your drops at Zaishen Chest Drop Rate Survey. Thanks! Barinthus 20:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Dropped an r11 gold Dwarven Axe from the chest this morning, fwiw... 15:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I got a req9 stygian reaver :) Sword.wind. 07:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Time to ask the obvious question

Does it count for treasure hunter? 09:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't think least not on my pvp char --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).
I opened it 129 times yesterday and can confirm that it doesn't count for treasure hunter. Zophar 12:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Economic Repercussions

Is this ArenaNet's way of telling us that our days of making good money from rare weapon sales is over for good? Prices have divebombed badly already, and now you can farm formerly extremely rare items by only spending some Balthazar faction. My Obsidian armor is slipping further and further away...--Glenforder 10:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I see it as Anet's way to tell us that pvper must not be poor. even as a pve'er, I like the idea. Foo 10:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
PvPers now have income aside from the HoH chest. Sounds fair to me.
Although the eternal blade market just crashed. -Auron 10:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Now if you always win, you get to a chest, and then can come there and open another one. And if you always lose, at least can go to the other chests, much more infrequently, and open it. Now there is a consolation price that never was, and the win prices are higher. Since the drops can be Crème Brulée and Flask of Firewater too, the chest is not completely an instant source of income. MithranArkanere 12:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The way I see it, a great many of the economic changes made by ANet in recent months all point to one thing; ANet is trying to lower prices of all rare goods across the board. They have a marked trend towards making extremely rare vanity items easier for the casual player to obtain, save for perhaps the extremely rare minipets. (And even so, I believe ANet is secretly upset that people are selling these minipets for obscene amounts of gold.)

The core reason behind this? I suspect that it's ANet's strategy of dealing with gold farmers. If rare items are much easier to obtain, resulting in a price crash that allows the vast majority of players to purchase them, they are effectively causing massive deflation and reducing the need for gold. If players can easily get the skins they want, they will have no reason to buy gold from gold farmers; they can get whatever they need just by playing the game, running keyless chests, or hitting the Zaishen Chest a couple of times a month. - Zaxares 13:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Stopping gilsellers is all well and good (and should happen), but they're hurting their elite PvE player base in the process. Unless they're going to reduce the costs of Elite Armor and other extremely expensive things, this economy nerfing is hurting a lot more people than just the gilsellers. My rare drops now sell for around half of what they did just a month or two ago, but Obsidian armor is still almost 700k.--Glenforder 16:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

It's supposed to be expensive, that's the point of gold sinks. - User HeWhoIsPale sig.PNG HeWhoIsPale 16:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
You're ignoring the first half of that sentence; the "My rare drops now sell for around half of what they did just a month or two ago." If the FoW armor stays constant but your investment's value goes down the drain thanks to ANet, there's nothing you can do aside from weep. Hours spent farming those items shouldn't be a total waste. -Auron 23:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
@glenforder Even the price of obby armor has dropped thanks to prices of ecto/shards dropping. it used to cost around 1.5 mil.--Ryudo 23:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Creme Brulees and Firewaters - why?

Out of all the basically worthless items to throw into this chest, why those two? PvPers looking for something to spend faction on aren't going to want a huge stack of firewater to spend literally hours of their life consuming in an attempt to achieve the most stupidly designed title track in the game (drunkard), and similarly, they wouldn't really be interested in sweets. Why not something else, like rare crafting materials (or stacks of gold)? :/ -Auron 12:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Drunk + PvP = Awesome. Skuld was drunk on his ninja in a HM mission (I think it was Gyala), it made the experience like 37.89% better, Imagine the gain you would get in PvP... Drunk while holding halls. -- scourge 12:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Because PvPers have no way of getting drunk. The Guild Hall merchant do not sell alcohol. On top of that, this reduces the chances of getting other more expensive items, so the Zaishen chest do not become so much an 'insta-cash' feature. MithranArkanere 12:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Stacks of gold and rare crafting materials are useful to PvP chars? Without spending any money at all they are able to get max armour, max weapons and almost every skin in the game, with next to no effort compared to a PvE character.... What need do they have of money? 13:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
So that all time of PvP can get you some nice armor on the single PvE character those pvp addicts have. Rhydeble 14:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, a pure PvP account can't get dyes with his PvE caracters so they can dye armors with other combinations different to those available in the panels, or kits to identify HoH rewards... in fact, pure PvP accounts can't get weapon upgrades for those and tournament rewards... so if the reason are the pure PvP accounts, the next logical step would be adding an upgrade trader... ah! And Pet unlocks, XD MithranArkanere 16:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
"What need do they have of money?" Oh, I dunno, just Guild Halls (17k or so every time you want a new map), capes (2k per design), invites and guest invites (100g per, which is a lot considering guesting is done multiple times per day), and (possibly) the Guild Hall NPCs, which cost upward of 500k. If ANet removed all gold expenditure for PvP costs (tied Guild Hall prices and invites/guest invites to Balth Faction), then I would have no problem with PvPers having just the income from HoH chest... but seeing as those things cost a lot, might as well throw in something useful for them. -Auron 23:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
That's really not a bad idea. Given the exacting costs of these functions, what would you consider a fair Balthazar/Gold exchange rate? Would it be 1:1, 10:1? Balthazar faction flows fairly quickly, but so does gold... --Mystisteel 23:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Pssh PvP shouldn't be given any kind of viable gold farming, they are already incredibly privileged with max everything, free skills and much easier and cheaper acquisition of rare skins (Tribal Axe is a basic reward for crying out loud). With the inclusion of PvE weapons which were almost impossible to obtain in PvE (HoH chest waay better than the UW chest and those other purple massive loot table chests), PvP was already given an unfair advantage. If they got rid of the "PvP characters" from GW or GW2 I would have no problem with some kind of gold rewards for PvP but as it stands, they are privileged too much already. There is almost no advantage (aesthetic) to playing a PvE char over PvP now... which is completely wrong. 06:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Who in the world said anything about gold farming in PvP? The poster mentioned it would be nice to buy guild-related items specifically with Balthazar Faction rather than gold. I agreed with him, and asked what ratio of worth the faction would have. In what way could that possible turned into "gold farming in PvP"? --Mystisteel 07:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
i cant be bothered to read every comment above but i would imagine it would agree to....If 25% of all drops are doing to be something.....why the hell this. Chaos Beserker 18:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Treasure Hunter

Should it be noted that this chest does not add any points to this title? -- Broodling67User Broodling67 sig.PNG 15:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

oops there is already a topic about this, read then post. -- Broodling67User Broodling67 sig.PNG 15:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

At least one more very rare drop

Andrew Patrick insinuated that there's a drop (at least one) we have not seen yet, and seemed to be pretty excited about it.- Xapti, 8 December 2007

some1 was selling mini togo in halls, i call LIES AND SLANDER! 05:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Source on Andrew Patrick's comments? Not to doubt you, I'd just like to read it too. 06:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
T'was on Guru -- 13:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Well I got it from here --Xapti 01:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
haha, wow... tgh posters are still combative as ever. i'm surprised they still play the game. --VVong|BA 01:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
That's not about the tonics? You can't get them anywhere else either.... 10:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Any new info? It is almost a week... Coran Ironclaw 21:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Aside from this thing dropping Eternal Blades by the dozen nah not really. Just today I saw no less than 7 for sale at different times from different people. Kinda sucks for that guy who payed millions for the first r9 huh... 02:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Could be new be sure there is no such new rare drop? Coran Ironclaw 16:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Just because there's no recorded evidence of a new rare item dropping, doesn't mean that it won't drop/already been dropped. The drop rate could just be soo low that it will sell for a lot or it's already dropped, but a noob was the one who got it and just didn't sell it. — Eloc 06:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
yes, I know that. Actually i am expecting a semiofficial confirmation. Coran Ironclaw 06:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


i got a freakin gold req 9 celestial shield (tactics) from the chest :O:O:O:O:O

Gratz. — Eloc 21:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
That's why I think all rare gold drops from Zaishen Chest are r9 and fully modded with random mod. The skin is random art from ALL weapon skins in the game. So you should have a chance to get a Crystalline from it. Lightblade 22:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
No, they're not all req. 9. I just got a gold req. 13 Skull Longbow. Fully modded, though. Kite 02:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I wish it dropped Q7's lol.

Zaishen Chest

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

Hey Gaile, as you probably know when the BMP went live yesterday a mysterious chest appeared in the Isle of the Nameless. Would be able to clarify what exactly happened with the Isle of the Nameless and what, if any, use the chest now has, (since it's removal/movement)? Also will people who used the chest be banned? Anon

It would be extremely unnecissery for Anet to ban people who used the chest, I very much doubt that they will take that approach. ^^ Although the purpose of the chest itself is something that I should think alot of us are itching to find out about. :P --Alien User Alien Sig.png 18:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
My guess is they borked up on a holiday event/future tournament chest and stuck it in early. I doubt people will be banned - the chest was in the game, no exploits required. -- 02:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
yah, maybe even a chest that they could add to team arenas that spawned after each 20 wins or something --Cursed Angel talk 02:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I have not heard even the distant swing of the Hammer O' Banning, so I'm sure all is well. As to what that was all about... let's just say that there are some cool things coming. :) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm releived to hear you say that and I'm VERY excited about this new cool thing coming. Could the chest possibly be 5-10k balth faction to open the chest? - This is the new balth faction sink?:P I'm just guessing I know you can't say.^^Anon
I'm sorry, Anon, were you saying something? ;) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 05:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
aww... just, when? in a week? in a month? never? :3 --Rayd 09:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
yah, the chest dropped a few cool things i would use my factions on it for sure :D --Cursed Angel talk 17:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I think that everyone now has confirmation of just what the mysterious chest was all about, eh? The thing is, from what I've been tracking on forums and in the game, there are still undiscovered goods to be had from those chests. Undiscovered and significantly fabulous goods, if truth be told. Good luck to everyone! -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 05:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you Give us a tiny hint? pleeeeaaaaaaaase ^_^;; Ajc2123

its a mini togo, rwar--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).

This is driving me crazy... I keep getting Crem Brule from it and no-one has found these new unique items... must be a VERY low chance. 11:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Is it that remarkable that this doesn't count towards treasure hunter?

(See subject), after all, it does not have a key that costs money so it cannot fulfill the requirements of having a key to unlock it that costs greater than 600g...-- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 02:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it should, honestly. Essentially the only reason it doesn't is so that the treasure hunter title can still be utilized as a HUGE gold-sink. For us casual players, treasure hunter/wisdom and titles like drunkard are pretty unattainable because of the insane gold investment. Six million gold for max rank Treasure hunter anyone? Mesodreth Blackwing 04:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah it's pretty significant... the items are max stat items. It's one of the greatest chests in the game in terms of potential drops, so I think the tag is important. 11:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Dungeon chests and the Chest of Woe don't give Treasure Hunter points either, so I don't think it's at all remarkable. I suppose PvP only people wouldn't necessarily know that, since this is the only chest accessible to them.

Worried about extreme rarity of new "Undiscovered and significantly fabulous goods"

3 complete days has passed, 3 days with most guid wars players putting extra effort on this chest and not a single drop of those "undiscovered and significantly fabulous goods" (gaile) or "the *really* cool drops"(andrew). I don't really know the nature of those, but if they really are that cool and fabulous I do want to have the opportunity to get one eventually, but at this rate only one of those drops will be discovered once every 4 days or even once a week (even being optimistic since none has yet confirmed to be dropped).

So forget about expecting one dropping for you (or me), the only option would be to buy one, surely i won't be able to buy the firsts ones. But at this rate... after a whole year only about 50~100 of those things will drop in total (actually being optimistic!). Assuming All will be auctionated (that will not), I am not, and I will never be one of the 100 top richest people in gw. So basically I can say that this items mean nothing to me no matter how cool or fabulous they are, since I won't have any way to get one. I just hope Anet wants to artificially create thrill about the firsts drops of this and then fix the drop rate. (which is a big backward move regarding how to obtain high end items if you ask me, but that's another discussion which i won't start until i actually know what are those things)

If someone noticed I am the same guy that complains about not having a worthy axe to work for in Talk:Economy, I complain about not having good high-end items in certain areas, but there is an extreme difference with something you can attain in one day and something you can't attain ever. High End goals should be achievable in a reasonable window of time spent, in my opinion something between 15 and 45 days for someone who dedicates 4 hours a day, so that's between 60 and 180 hours of gameplay, I think that is a nice and worthy time for obtaining a fabulous or *really* cool high end item, but seems that won't be the case, and that's sad. Sure you can have other opinion about it, actually I would like to make some polls about this, but I don't know how. Coran Ironclaw 22:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to agree on this one--something of this magnitude worries me greatly, as it will completely skew the GW economy. What I'd like to say has pretty much been summed up in the above paragraphs... -- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 22:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Wait, a Flask of Firewater isn't an undiscovered and significantly fabulous good? Gee, I thought I was lucky to have gotten three of them to add to my large stack in the bank... /yawn. --Mystisteel 22:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Making that many assumptions is not really productive, IMO. The entire argument here is based on assumptions: that most players are using the chest, that not one of those "fabulous" items has dropped (not all players would run to a forum and post pictures), that those items are actually something beyond what we already know, and that the items are something you would like to get. I would worry if those assumptions become true, not now. Erasculio 22:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
how often does a perfect crystalline drop? i would imagine it wouldn't be more than once every few days. maybe even a week. has the crystalline ruined the game for u? i hesitate to put words in ur mouth, but u're still playing so apparently the game isn't completely lost. this drop, if it indeed exists and is desirable, will just be a crystallinesque drop. i would guess no more than a handful of ppl in the millions of players who've played this game have a perfect crystalline. so what? --VVong|BA 23:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
@Erasculio: I have to agree there are assumptions, that's why I stated a "worried" state instead of saying something like, "I think this is bad..." or suggesting a change. 1) Maybe i didn't expressed it correctly about the "most players" thing, the point there is that chest is used a lot more this days that will be used later, and while it is still an assumption I find it hard to dissmiss. 2) not one has dropped, well, an assumption, and I know that maybe it is not true, but even if that is not true they have not been public sells of the item, so you can't get items from people who do not sell them or at least go and post they found them, and the number of auctioned (or selled) items like that will still be around the numbers as I posted before. 3) items beyond we already know, assumption yes, but I think somewhere there is a direct quoute from andrew saying that this things will only drop from this chest. 4) Item actually being desirable. Maybe the biggest assumption, but the devs seem to be so emotive about it.... Conclusion I might be wrong but the assumptions are not so light founded.
@VVong: I really don't know about the crystalline drop, and actually you make assumptions also, the crystalline while very rare does not have a very popular skin, and actually I personally don't feel very inclined about it. So I think that is why the price of a cystalline is on the attainable level despite its rarity, I think around 2M, costly and hard yes but attainable. And I never said this would ruin the game for me. But still I think every item should be attainable. Coran Ironclaw 00:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
But as far as we know, they (Patick and Gaile) could be talking about, say, a Transmogrifier Tonic or a Yuletide Tonic. Right now the only way to get those is through the Zaishen chest (hence Patrick's quote); and someone who likes those would consider them to be "fabulous" or whatever other adjective has been used. Erasculio 11:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that they meant the only way to ever get these items was through the chest, so I am still fairly worried... Then again, I would be ever so joyous if I was the one to find this item because on its first drop it will probably sell for more money than you could ever use... -- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 15:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
@Erasculio: That would be soooo dissapointing about their judgment on "the *really* cool" or "significantly fabolous" drops. But yet, that could be... any confirmation?
@Frozzen: I would probably do the same, but I wouldn't be really joyous(well maybe a few minutes), but I would still be worried. why? Coran Ironclaw 16:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Andrew has said very clearly it's a drop that cannot be obtained in any ways other than from this chest. Gaile said she have been watching forums and such and so far this mysterious drop has not dropped. Barinthus 18:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Shoot, no thanks to the lack of sleep... I forgot to add this... what is the fuss over this drop, really? I see no difference between the mini Mallyx or mini Ghostly Hero - both extremely rare drops not easily obtained. Barinthus 18:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I wont know until I know what it is. Coran Ironclaw 19:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I very much doubt anet would make it something like a new ultra rare miniature that will sell for 100k+planet earth+moar armbraces...instead it will be something slightly less epic such as the semi-eternal blade which is only partially transparent and purple. s/b earth's moon? 20:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

its a double edged sword i think

i was lurking in the .dat file or watever and i saw a double edged sword idk if this is aready an item so yea--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).

O_O you sneaky devil >_> Ajc2123
I assume you mean double-bladed, as double-edged isn't that remarkable or obvious. Are you sure you didn't run across a Shadow Blade? --Valshia 22:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Afaik, you can only see item skin icons you already encountered somehow. I did never talk to the Asuran Weapon crafter anytime, so i did not have these icons in my gw.dat. (And if sb shows you a new item you haven't seen before in the Trade Window, you can see this Image:Under Construction.png for a short time, likely loading the image on your dat. So i doubt this, the icon you saw has to be something that already existed before, nothing new. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 13:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
If you -image, skins you haven't seen should show up, shouldn't they? 14:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Thats right, if you have done a -image it pings the server with a list of the files you have and what they have. It then Downloads the ones that they have that you dont and then decompresses them all... So if anyone has done a -image, finds a weapon skin not listed anywhere else, then that may very well be it. Keirou 14:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
How can we see what is in the DAT.File?? -- The Warrior Of Timi 14:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I can simply "unlock" all icons by typing "-image" in the chat or what?! great, i'll do so as far as i get the time :)
@Warrior: You can extract them using a program, you should find it on google, it is named "gw.dat browser" —ZerphatalkThe Improver 21:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it legal to do?? -- The Warrior Of Timi 08:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) yes, its allowed. you can also modify the graphics. Anet said on a talk page here somwhere that its legal. sry, forget which one's. (see also [1] this link.) btw, can anyone explain how this "-image" works? is it really with simply typing it into the chat? —ZerphatalkThe Improver 13:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

This might help  :-) Barinthus 13:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
ok, thanks :). (btw, i just googled out [2] this. if anyone but me also wants to know how it works, two links might be better than one :P) —ZerphatalkThe Improver 13:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
So... the question remains... can anyone find the skin of this new item in the files for GW? -- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 01:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
After some poking around and experimentation, inventory icons are loaded dynamically based on what you have possessed/seen in trade regardless of -image so you won't find an inventory icon. You might be able to find a texture or something. --Valshia 19:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

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All the Zaishen chest have been getting recently were angry messages about "oh no crappy consumables someone help us!" but has anyone even stopped to say thank you? I for one, even though I'm only partly a PvP player, love this new balth sink. It is exactly what I've been wanting. No I don't go for titles really, but I love me some drunken AB. You've never experienced AB until you've done it drunk on firewater ^_^ It also gives a way to pure pvp players to get these titles if they so wish, and I know there are title crazy people out there, so they are there. Most of the golds I've gotten are ok, but to me this is a way to gear up my PvE characters while I PvP, or perhaps get some cool bows, daggers, or scythes for my pvp characters. While it is aggravating about the number of sheer cremes i get, They are useful for my guild's many parties. It's also not a huge way to make money either so its evened out to me. I see nothing wrong with this chest, and overall its the best thing that has happened since Gwen, and perhaps until GW2. So if you could pass the word along to Anet, I'd like to thank them for a job well done on this particular update, and of course, thank you for your time Gaile. Ajc2123

Thanks a lot for a very thoughtful note. I agree that the chests are great, on many levels, and I'm very happy that we were able to add them to the game. The variety of items is good, and the whole concept is of value. Getting the Balthazar Faction is fun. Having something new and potentially lucrative is great fun, too! -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 03:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Zaishen got me back into AB-ing. can youdrop us a hint about the drop(s) from the chest(s) you alluded to on GWGuru? not what is it exactly, but for example.. how many? weapons/offhand or mini's? is there more than one chest (you DID say Chests) -TehBuG-
Oh, when I said "chests," I really meant the spawns of the Zaishen Chest, that's all. As to what's in store, well, your best source for that information is probably Andrew Patrick. I'm not sure if he's talking, but I know he knew of this long ago (having talked with Isaiah and James many times about the subject), and I'm pretty sure at this point Andrew knows allll about the chests. ;) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 05:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I side with the people who like the chest. It's a way for fully unlocked accounts to use up their Balth faction anyway, and as for myself, since I rarely PvP... I've found a use for all those TRPs I've won and didn't know what to use on. In a way, it's an addition of free stuff, and I'm sure that those who complain conveniently forget that it might as well not have been added at all. Kudos to ANet, I love the chest. :) -- Mursaat Token.png Elv 11:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Indeed! It's a great addition to the game and it gives me more incentive to do some more pvping. Barinthus 12:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The zaishen chest was a great idea. It brings all the rare items ingame in one chest, and more for people who want to spend there baltazar faction because they habe onlucked all. And I would thank you for bringing the wednesday wallpaper day back. I'm very happy with it. And there is only one person who was asking for it so you know who I'm, ore not ^^ .
I remember seeing in forums speculations on the zaichen chest, and how they would love it to be a balth sink. I'm actually surprised that some complained given that most there thought it would be a great idea. Personally, and I said it there as I say it here, I love it. Keep up the good work, ANet. I think those who complain were hoping for armor/item skin unlocks, which would also be a nice idea, at least for the easier-to-get stuff (keep the elite armors PvE-accessible-only). Alaris 17:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Quote: "(keep the elite armors PvE-accessible-only) Why why why why why????? Tell me why!? --ChronicinabilitY User Chronicinability Spiteful Spirit.jpg 19:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, perhaps not all elite armors... but they are meant to show off something special you accomplished in PvE. It'd be odd to see endgame armors or FoW armors on those who never stepped in PvE. But I think that some new "PvP-only" armors would be nice, armors that you need to spend Balth faction to unlock, although once unlocked you could also acquire them for use on PvE chars for the appropriate amount of cash & materials. That would be cool. Alaris 19:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
You see that view is just so biased...why is PvE any more important than PvP? you think you should get exclusive armors! And the for the suggestion you just made of PvP exclusive armors, a line later you said you should be able to get them in PvE...see how biased! There is no reason PvP players should have anything less than a PvE'r...And the armor's are not "meant to show off something special you have achieved in PvE" they are just to show off how much you have spent (Gold OR RP's) on your character. Armor's should in no way be PvE only! --ChronicinabilitY User Chronicinability Spiteful Spirit.jpg 19:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I made this topic to thank Anet, not start a fight on Gaile's page, she already has to archive and move enough topics. Ajc2123

(reset indent) What i've seen them complain about on the wiki, was that they got cunsumables, which im thinking, "You finally have a use for all that balth you got, and your complaining???!?!?!" I just dont get it. I'm happy with how it turned out. Ajc2123

The reason behind the 'complaints' is that consumeable items are the most PvE thing in Guild Wars! People who do both dont mind but for the PvP community its not really what they wanted. I'm not complaining myself but i can see where they might be coming from. Things like Sigils would be much more usefull than Alcohol. Most of the PvP community simply exchanges their faction for keys, and then sells them to PvE players, because what is actually in the chest is much more attractive to a PvE'r than a PvPer. Thats just my experience of it so far. --ChronicinabilitY User Chronicinability Spiteful Spirit.jpg 19:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
But keep in mind they have to include some items that will keep the overall gold value generated from the chest at a reasonable level... Would you prefer they just drop blue and white weapons instead? -- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 20:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Everlasting Beetle Juice Tonic

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

Someone on GWG reported finding an Everlasting Beetle Juice Tonic in a Zaishen Chest and has a screenshot here. Is this a hoax, bug, or has someone gone insane? --Gimmethegepgun 04:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

*whistles innocently*
*runs down hall to check with the design team*
*realizes she's at home and George the Cat is less than qualified to speak about game development.
*vows to investigate in the morning*
If that's real, and I think it may be genuine (no insult to the one who found it, I'm just cautious because of previous hoaxes :D ) congrats to the player who got that drop! -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Talk 04:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Share the tonic? Nah, sorry, don't have one. ;p -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 07:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
heh, this is like 1 in a million :( think that it took like more than a month for one to drop --Cursed Angel talk 07:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind hearing George the Cat's opinion on game development. He might have some great ideas on new Beast Mastery skills.-- 18:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
George is filled with opinions about gaming. Years ago, he penned (pawed?) several editorials about a particular title in which he had an interest. He's quite the little Guild Wars player, and it's probably very clear now why all my pets are kitties. ;) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 21:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I tried asking my husky-lab for game ideas, and all she said was: "more dogs". What can I say, she's a very social dog. Oh, and more undead, she likes the graphics on those for some reason I can't understand. Alaris 18:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
i r als wunt a tlkin cat wer di u bui it? --Cursed Angel talk 18:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I've trained my sister's cat to press the enter key. ^^ — Galil Talk page 19:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
BOTTER. BANBANBANBANBANBANBAN. -- 23:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I got one from the zaishen chest, gave it to Gaile when she attended our 3th birthday -- Didis
Oh, you scared me there, Didis! I thought for a moment that you meant you'd given me an Everlasting Beetle Tonic and those are incredibly rare, so I would feel bad if I accepted that. But I checked, and the tonic is green. Phew! I'm saving it for a special occasion. :) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Ha ha...i read about the difference just now and was wondering if it could be, nah couldn't be. Checking in here again...heh heh you enlighted my worry it was not an everlasting one...phoei, Didis don't scare theX out of yourself. Sorry Gaile...heh heh :) -- Didis


Where exactly is it?--The gw fan 15:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

where the old pvp characters use to spawn in the Isle of the Nameless zone, stop of the steps Fall 15:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

i think i kno wat it is

in gvg there was this mesmer with this pink crystal looking shield it wasnt the BMP because it was smaller

I believe that would be a Torment shield.--Pyron Sy 18:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Or an Amethyst Aegis --Kikuta 02:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
or a pink Mursaat shield - Xapti, 03:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Rare items that you cant get in the game

It has been suggested by Andrew Patrick that "There are rare items that can drop from this chest that you cannot get anywhere else in the game." (source) though as of yet, their identity has not been confirmed.

Someone on guru found Everlasting Beetle Juice Tonic in the chest. Screen. If it's real, then I guess that is what he was referring to! - BeX iawtc 04:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

someone also put up a panda for sale in the past couple days. i wonder if that came from the chest or not. --VVong|BA 05:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Or maybe they were just trying to make some money with a Panda. — Eloc 15:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
that is why i said, "i wonder..." --VVong|BA 15:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
That's why I said "or maybe" :P — Eloc 02:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone added everlasting beetle tonic to the list. If it is indeed confirmed, we should possibly remove the andrew patrick quote. --Xeeron 15:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Why would this be the SUPER DUPER RARe drop, Wasn't it comfirmed that it would be NEW items?? -- The Warrior Of Timi 15:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Err, who said "new item", do you have a source or link? --Xeeron 16:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Their are other ways to get the potion.(eg. Tournaments, o this isn't a new item. Read the first post -- The Warrior Of Timi 17:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I did read that and there are currently no other ways of getting the everlasting beetle juice tonic. Andrew did not say "new". --Xeeron 18:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Though I haven't seen it drop, there is evidence in the Gw.dat to suggest that the chest can drop an Everlasting Transmogrifier Tonic or an Everlasting Yuletide Tonic. None of this has been confirmed nor denied. Guru Thread --Curse YouUser Curse You sig icon.png(talk|contribs) 03:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hand Axe

I do not know if this can drop somewhere else, but this is what I found from Zaishen Chest [3]Quindecim 11:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you've struck gold there mate, I've never seen any weapon with that skin before. --Kikuta 00:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Hand Axe (Canthan). Been around for over a year, actually. --Valshia 01:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah touché , though I'm surprised I've never seen one :| --Kikuta 06:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

A rare drop that gives bonus against Jade?

I found this hard to believe. I was playing Ice Caves with a warrior who was claiming to have a drop from Zaishen Chest that was an item that reverses the damage from Jade from yourself back to the Jade. So he was claiming that while he would be getting hit for 15, the Jade Armor in the mission was getting the damage instead. He wouldn't show it to me via trade, and I don't know what it would be called either. I wouldn't even know what kind of item it was. This is totally fabricated, right? User Woop sig.pngWoop ‧ talk ‧ 03:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Since he wouldn't show you, I say he's just full of it. – User Barinthus Magical Compass.png Barinthus 03:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like BS to me. --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 18:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Have to agree sounds like BS! -- Salome 13:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Listing ZChest for Drops

Since basically anything can drop from the ZChest, is it really necessary to list it as a drop location for things? — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ Reithan Sig.jpg 19:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, we can still see statistics of the percentual chance of the several types of items. How big is the chance of getting gold items, how big of getting Tonics, how big of getting Tomes? —ZerphatalkThe Improver 02:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
He's referring to the item pages, rather than the /drop_rate. If the chest drops everything, should it be listed on every weapon's page... -- 02:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
ah, that! yes, that's in fact redundant. I wondered as well why we list actually list it on all pages. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 03:07, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
In theory then, does it make every weapon that drops drom the Zaishen Chest a Core item?--Lava spider.jpgSpider 10:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
actually yes. Every weapon should get "Core" besides its "default" campaigns its available, like it's done with an item that is for example dropped both in FoW and in RoT. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 16:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


does HM affect the drops?--User Fire Tock sig.jpgFireTock 23:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope Dominator Matrix 23:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Hard mode is non-existent in the Battle Isles. --Pling! \ Brains12 23:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Since there is no campaign to complete there :) Paddymew 07:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


If you haven't noticed yet, there's been an increase in rare minis like Oni, Visu and Naga. Everyday I see people dispaying/selling them. Are they possible drops from the ZChest? 06:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope. It's just coincidence. Been awhile since I've seen anyone selling Oni or Vizu minis. But then again, I don't hang around the towns often enough. -- User Sig.png 06:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
You usually see the rare miniatures in Internationl Towns like Ascalon. — Eloc 16:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
If you look, you'll see them everywhere in Kamadan. I went on GW Guru today and saw lots of auction threads selling Naga/Visu/Oni. They all can't be popping out of nowhere.
possibly an unknown duping exploit? —ZerphatalkThe Improver 19:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Or just a coincidence? — Eloc 01:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


Is only 2 hours, thirty minutes away for me, i wonder what the next tonic will be!--User Fire Tock sig.jpgFireTock 04:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure. For me it's about 12 and a half hours till June 1st. — Eloc 17:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I saw someone selling Everlasting Margonite Tonic, might be the new tonic. Brietje 9:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC) --Four-Leaf Clover.png ¤ Ratchet Ranger ¤ 08:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
And now ? Someone has got a information for the new tonic ? --Four-Leaf Clover.png ¤ Ratchet Ranger ¤ 20:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
[4] Added to page. --Arduinna talk 20:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Waiting for JULY tonic, lazy lazy ANET!.... -mikrobx

I dont know if i should open the zaishen chest because there might be no tonics there and i'll just waste my keys/ --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).

Well what else are you going to do with the keys? — Eloc 03:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I assume they'll wait for the July tonic to be released. I might as well too. Small chances for $$ are fun. Mango 18:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Boreal Tonic

I don't use the zaishen chest, but the official site claims the July tonic is called a Boreal Tonic and has a picture of a male norn. Any in-game confirmation on this part? Silavor UserSilavorSigIcon.png 20:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Just wanna note this, when I got my q9 Voltaic Spear from the chest, before I opened it i did "/bow". Either it works, or it's one hellufa coincidence.--Ʀєʟʟɑ 06:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah when i /kneel i got a req9 celstial compass, but as far as im concerned its just coincidence. bc when i tried it the second time a got a firewater lol--Patch 14:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
this has no change....creme brulee (no idea on spelling) but if your superstitious then why not give it a try 18:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Emotes have no effect on the chest drops. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 01:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Would be fun if you got a creme bruleee'ea'oo'someting' and got /angry,bhaltazhar saw us getting angry and gave us free vs and nice as you can see no ideo of the spelling)Simpaklimp 21:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
As bad as this sounds, me and my alliance have a bit of an in-joke, whenever any of us /beg 's either the Z-Chest or a HM dungeon quest, FoW quest, etc, we get absolutely TERRIBLE drops, we've had double onyx's from HM dungeons, we've had chains of 10 firewater/brulé combo's, etc... Revelation talk 09:20, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


I only started using the Zaishen chest since July, but almost every time I seem to be getting Creme Brulee. I've once had it drop 5 times in a row. Is the item just naturally a higher drop rate? In total, I've gotten 8 creme brulees, 1 flask of firewater and one gold r9 winged staff. 11:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that the creme brulee and firewater % drop rates are greater than most other drops. I have just gotten 5/8 drops of firewaters with the other 3 being 2 golds and a creme brulee. 16:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Canthan Items - Drop & Inscribable

Can I get an Outcast Staff or a Jade Staff from the chest? 17:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

yes you should be able to

even tho it says in the notes all the weapons are inscibable, I just got a Golden Phoenix Blade 19% undead uninscribable.
That is because that weapon had no inscription. Damage vs Undead isn't an inscription, some golds have an empty slot and that is terrible. Misery 16:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Imagine you get a very valuable rareskin weapon from the chest and it doesn't have one ;) —ZerphatalkThe Improver 11:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
There is currently a thread in the bugs forum of Guru, stating that if a weapon has Deathbane, it will not have a damage modifiy inscription. But it may have a caster inscription, or "Measure for Measure", or the added value. Anon-e-mouse 10:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Sadly I got a Dual Gothic Axe R9 No inherant no inscrip...Matter of fact no mod at all when ided (-_-) in the up side i sold it in Spamadan for 50k+ an unded Ooze (>'.')>. The New Bp 08:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
No, it's not possible. There are at least 25 weapons, that can't drop from the Zaishen chest, including all Outcast weapons and the Jade Staff. I made a list of all weapons, that are not available with an inscription. Grown Up Gwen 14:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
If there ever was a Deathbane bug then it's been fixed, just got an Ancient Axe from the chest with both Deathbane and 15^Stance. Lyra ValoUser Lyra Valo Sig.jpg 16:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Campaign specific drops

If someone didn't have all campaigns would they have a chance to get any weapon from this chest even if it only drops in a campaign they don't own? For example, would a person owning only Prophecies have a chance of getting a Celestial Shield? Tedium 07:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I can't speak for every weapon in-game, but i have gotten a Golden Phoenix Blade even though i just own Prophecies + EotN (and also a couple of celestial weapons), so i think you can get them regardless of which campaign you own.--Fighterdoken 08:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Chests don't care what campaigns you have - only quests (and the char creation screen) do. You can get items from any campaign through any chest that drops those items. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 08:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


i got r9 VS n only used 1 zkey>:)--Hellfirez 21:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


"In the beginning of each Month"

Anyone got an idea of why the new tonics pops up like in the middle of a month? ..--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Atte (talk).

These days the main monthly updates are on the second Thursday of each month. So basically today we're expecting the new tonic, etc.- TheRave talk (talk) 19:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

mandragor tonic

really need one ;o 15:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Everlasting Mischievous Tonic

if the frosty has an everlasting version then this should as well.....shame wintersday's over. 16:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

there is 2 for sale on guru and they drop year round like the frosty!!!--Ranger 00:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hardmode drops

  • if you enter the isle of the nameless on HM does it change the zaishen chests drops?
If u enter in Hard Mode I'll give u 1000 ectos. Jovasa 17:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Ill double that--TalkWild 09:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
You have to max your PvP Survivor and Explorer titles first. --Gah User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg Eat my uber regen. 20:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
You can't enter hard mode in the battle isles. You can, however, enter easy mode. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 20:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Second Zaishen Chest Needed

The tonics in the first chest can repeat each year, but I think they could add another chest next to it for new 2nd year tonics. So we can choose which chest to open to get either an old or new tonic. Good or bad idea? Flipper 06:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds fine, just make sure the points and drop rates are the same ;) --DAVAUser Dav Tick green.png 20:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I doubt that's gonna happen, ANet is more likely to focus on..other things.
elso, most ppl ::just use those tonics for their Party Animal titles,
they don't give a f*ck about ::how they will look like. - (BlackHoleSun 20:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC))

Crap Drops

I know this has been discussed before, but... enough with the non-max items and the consumables! You know, I'm even fine getting normal tomes, but at least reduce the drops of consumables and make all items that drop max and req 9 with an inscription slot. I've used the chest over 200 times (after the title creation, probably another 200 before title creation), and over half were consumables, maybe about 50 tomes, and lots of req 13s. I got like 2 elite tomes and a few good golds, maybe 1-2 tonics, and that's it. I've spent over a million faction on a keys, and I'm getting total crud. I know everyone does it for the title, but could the drops be improved please? /endrant --Gah User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg Eat my uber regen. 21:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


Just got an Aureate Longbow out of the chest with okish mods... but a non-max damage range. !@#$%!!!! Enough with the crap! At least make the weapons MAX!--Gah User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg Eat my uber regen. 20:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm 99.9% sure only max items drop from the chest. Screenies? ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 20:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I have the bow, but not of it dropping. I may have taken a screen, will check. --Gah User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg Eat my uber regen. 16:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Nah, no screens. Still have the bow, but that doesn't prove much. >.> --Gah User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg Eat my uber regen. 00:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm with you on this. I've not seen a 'non-max' weapon before, but q10 to q13 weapons should be removed to at least allow for some recovery of the cost/worth of your key. And as for the consumables, if they aren't going to be removed, at least make them drop in higher, possibly random, amounts. Getting 1 firewater for the cost of a 3k-5k key is just horrible. At least getting, let's say 5-10 firewaters for the cost of 1 key, eases the sting a bit. Not likely to change though, so /EndRant -- 23:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
If you increase the drop value the prices of the keys would increase aswell.(although not with the same %) I'd also like to say that if multiple flasks/creme brulees would drop those would drop in value (and they are worth !!! already).If you are planning to use these items yourself however it would be nice. Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 13:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It just takes luck i got an el trapdoor tonic a few days ago so im pretty happy with the Zaishen Chest

I just received a 7-16 dmg daggers from the chest, so it does drop non-max weapons. --Silver Edge 06:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
You wuz robbed! That seems unfair. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 06:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

worthy of note?

Perhaps add the note that if you bring in enough keys it is possible to create more drops from the chest then you can carry out of the zone... While players who actually gather up this many keys should be aware of this it might be worth a footnote 14:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Uh, not really. If you go into any zone without enough pocket room and you get a lot of items, you'll have to leave some behind. --Gah User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg Eat my uber regen. 20:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

everlasting crate of fireworks

i'm wondering if those would drop? 17:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Probably not, as they seem to be extremely rare to get as a random item. You can visit the Gift_of_the_Traveler/Drop_rate research page to see that out of 2498 gifts opened by contributors, none of them resulted in an ECF. The fact they cost the equivalent of 25,000 copper zaishen coins is also indicative of the rarity. Flipper 15:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
5 does not equal zero. --User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 17:38, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Dude. You're replying to a comment that's over a year old. Those 5 were probably added afterwards. Cheapy 19:03, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I've stopped wasting my time

All I've ever got are Creme Brulees and Firewaters...oh and an Unseen Tonic earlier this month. Suffice to say, I've stopped wasting my ZGold on this rubbish, and use Zcoins to get elite tomes and slayers scrolls instead. You know, stuff that's actually worth the effort. Andran Steel 00:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Is it missing a large chunk of factions items?

It has been noted that certain skins just don't drop from the chest.

The chest has been around long enough, and yet nobody knows for sure what can/cant drop from the chest.

We see things like Celestial Shields, swords and axes, but not celestial wands or staffs.

We don't see oni blades, echovalds, or outcast shields...

Is it missing a large chunk of factions items?

What else is missing from the list?

I think we should compile a list of every item in the game as we see it drop from the chest. 04:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

There is already a list, see Zaishen Chest/Drop rate. --Silver Edge 05:06, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm PvE yet,

I do a fair share of Factions battles FA and JQ (AB is dead). I only recently started going after my r3 zaishen for HoM and I love the chest! I can get my titles faster thanks to it an get closer to gwamm. I can't see why pvp players complain so much as they can get all their activity titles in pvp and have at least something for GW2 (. HA, RA, and codex + the three activity titles and zaishen is 7 titles also don't you get skill hunter in pve/pvp for unlocking all elite skills then tombing on a pve character from all the elite tomes you get? I can't see a problem here. 16 statues and at least 5-10 titles and at least 10-12 points in the hall of monuments. Stop complaining now! You got a lot from this.Yumiko ^,~ 19:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Non-Perfect Items

After reading the notes on this page I was under the impression that almost all weapons you got from this chest were perfect. However, after using 10 keys I got 2 shields and a staff (and 3 creme brulees, 2 firewaters and 2 lockpicks), none of which were perfect.

-The staff required 11 energy storage and had a "Seize The Day" inscription which only gave 14 energy.

-The first shield had an 'Of Valor' enhancement that gave only 59 hp.

-The second shield required 13 tactics and had an 'Of Devotion' enhancement which only gave 44 hp.

Judging from other comments on this talk page, non-perfect items seem to actually be very common, so maybe the page should be changed? 11:37, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

"Although this chest almost always drops inscribable, max weapons, on rare occasions it can spawn weapons that are uninscribable and/or non-max." This is the quote that led you to this assumption? "Max" is used differently than "perfect", referring to maximum damage, not "maximum" mods. Manifold User Manifold Neptune.jpg 16:05, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I agree with the OP that the original phrasing gave a misleading impression. I've updated the text to give a better sense that the weapons can have a high requirement and (much less often) be non-inscribable or non-max. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

@Manifold: When you type 'max' in the search bar, it'll redirect you to perfect. So according to this wiki, it totally is the same. 00:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)