User talk:JonTheMon/Archive 4

About damn time!

HAHAHAHA! -- Wyn talk 21:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

it hasnt been said.. so.. FURST!!!--Neil2250 19:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Also;

Thanks for getting those Beacons-Droks pages deleted. lately i fail at grammar (i mean, worse than normal) --Neil2250 19:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Next time, please update the links before tagging for deletion. --JonTheMon 20:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Will do.sorry :P --Neil2250 20:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Unnecessary.

Hai!--★NeiN★ 15:41, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Irgendwer/List of War in Kryta unique items

Sorry about that. --Irgendwer 21:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I just noticed it before you did. --JonTheMon 21:07, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Go jon go jon go jon!

keep it up :D --Neil2250 20:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Busy day, huh? elix Omni 20:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Damned spammer has been at it all day... a lot more in the last hour or so. Shadow Runner 20:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

holy crap! O_o, when I saw the RC all I saw was block, user account creation, block, etc etc. That must be a really dedicated spammer! --Lania 20:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm just waiting till he burns through every open proxy on the internet. Shadow Runner 20:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

so who will be the one blocking the most new user today? Jon or Gares Redstorm? let the battle that will end this fierce rivality BEGIN!!!Tech Wolf 20:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget poke, he blocked a tonne earlier. Shadow Runner 20:52, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

well I wasnt here earlier I kinda missed it, then Poke has join the brawl!!!!!! Gares Jon Poke ... Fighto!! Tech Wolf 20:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No bureaucrats, Fox only... Final Destination. elix Omni 21:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

fox only was melee, scrub -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 04:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Gift of the Traveler/Drop rate

Hey, I noticed you had 4 entries there. Could you compile them into one as the list is getting kind of long? Thanks in advance. - Reanimated X 06:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Good sir

Your logic on a one month ban with User appears to be a blocked user, no evidence/arguments to the contrary. . made me laugh quite hard. I would like to reward you with a cookie. I don't see where you asked, so the evidence is, as you might know, not there. But +1 for reckless ban :>

Dear ban circumventing ip. You lose 5 internet points. Good day to you. 81.169.145.25 22:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Signing as a banned user (while not bulletproof evidence) is a pretty good indicator. And even if you weren't a different user, I might switch over to impersonation, eh? --JonTheMon 01:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleting unnecessary redirects.

Holy shit you're a sysop.
Also, thank you for that. I have tons of pages that I don't care enough to actually tag for deletion. I've also still got redirects from the time I stole Vili's userspace; you're welcome to those, as well. — Raine Valen 1:54, 21 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Lethal Dynamite

How did u know about Lethal Dynamite? i mean isnt he just a random guy? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.26.32.64 (talk).

There is a log of all recent activity on the wiki. I just checked that. --JonTheMon 14:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Large World Image

Thanks for the catch, pesky ':'s! Especially when you need a ':File' instead of a 'File' Auslander 18:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Desolation/Rilohn Refuge Posts

Sorry about the guild advertisement for the Vabbi tour in order to skip Rilohn Refuge. I indeed DID skip Rilohn Refuge by running from Sunspear Sanctuary, through the desolation, into vabbi, and through the Bahdok Caves into Kourna (Moddok Crevice). Then when I went to go do the storyline, I chose the Master of Whispers instead of Margrid The Sly and once I completed the quest To Kill a Demon, both Moddok Crevice and Rilohn Refuge were available to do. So I did Moddok Crevice and continued the storyline from there.

As for the Desolation, there is a method you can do so you have 5 seconds to stay on the sulfur instead of 3. I can show you a few videos I made, but if you are really interested I can show you myself ingame. But we can talk about that later.

I personally wouldn't consider it a "glitch" because it involves usage of normal in-game mechanics. One could consider it a bug since the developers did not intend the sulfur to be used in this way. All on foot...no wurm required.

And running across the sulfur is used for running people to Vabbi early, running people to Bone Palace early (got my friend there at level 9) and getting early access to the Remains of Sahlahja challenge mission. The reason you don't use a wurm is well...because you can't. When running people that haven't completed the Gate of Desolation mission, you have to go on foot in order to clear these areas.

Post here if you want to talk about any of this further. Brandon02852

I think my biggest beef with some of those notes was that they weren't well explained. Like, you just say "you can skip rilohn refuge and go straight to moddock" without saying "you have to go backwards through the desolation to get there". And the whole 5 second thing is just sorta out there w/o any method (aka, "I have a secret to do X but you have to figure it out"). --JonTheMon 14:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I can agree that those notes were not explained in depth. I just wanted to tell the community that these things are possible. I think that is "note" worthy. I offer to show you these things if you care to. We can make more detailed notes on these after that. Brandon02852

If the information is substantial enough, you might make a guide. --JonTheMon 17:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I can make a guide. But running desolation and skipping Rilohn Refuge will only be a fraction of what is inside. Brandon02852

Sorry

I seemed to tag the I Kill You Die Now page at the same time you deleted it, so the wikitools seemed to have recreated. Sorry.- TheRave (talk) 18:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

No prob. I was almost waiting for that kind of conflict when i got distracted. --JonTheMon 18:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry (2)

Jon,

Sorry for the inappropriate edit of Nicholas Sandford.

I thought the mechanism didn't work anymore; both because the page wouldn't advance to the next item, and the research page having run out. I see now that the mechanism has been altered to use a a cycles subpage. Unfortunately it still doesn't update until I purge the server cache (by clicking on the clock).

Please add some comment to the relevant section so future editors might be persuaded to first try this purge of the server cache. (Not doing this myself, because I don't want to offend any further than I already have).

I guess I should have checked the discussion tab before editing (^_^')

FYI, the headers of the page (after purgeing) say the following:

Expires Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 GMT

Cache-Control private, must-revalidate, max-age=0

This might be the cause of the frequent update's by users.

Regards,

Demideus 09:43, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

"I" don't like giving an exact value

The reason I deliberately used a specific number for Glob of Ectoplasm is that it makes the note more tractable for more people. By undoing it, the sentence is, in my opinion, now twice as complicated as the article requires. Really, the idea is simply that Ecto are substitute currency and that they are worth enough to be able to bypass the 100k limit; everything else is overkill for the Ecto article.

I would prefer not to see any example than to see an algebraic equation. Would that be an acceptable compromise?  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 03:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I have to second that. — Raine Valen 3:42, 23 Sep 2010 (UTC)

Math haters troll baiters. elix Omni 03:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't hate math; I just understand that my sentiments aren't held by every average wiki joe. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. — Raine Valen 3:55, 23 Sep 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Perhaps I was a little hasty in going back to the generic algebraic equation. But likewise, we don't retain rare material prices and I wouldn't want to give a value that could be construed as such. Would a value like an even 10k be easily interpreted as an example value? --JonTheMon 03:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree that we shouldn't set precedent here by giving market prices (although, I think it's a stretch to think that my edit implied a value), so perhaps it would be better to avoid using a number that resembles any reasonable valuation. So, 10k works for me. Let's keep things simple.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe just get rid of the equations and numbers and simply state that ecto prices fluctuate depending on current market value? Why clutter the article with examples that are quite obvious to anyone except the most mathematically deficient. --Lania 05:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

But the article isn't about the market value of ectoplasm, it's about using ectos as a substitute for currency. elix Omni 05:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

You could just use words and ignore numbers altogether. "A player could offer an amount of ectoplasm equivalent to the gold value at current market prices." Misery 08:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

How do you edit table/list ref data such as creatures that drop X item?

Today I had occasion to add a bit of data to the lowly Plague Devourer after getting what's obviously a very rare drop from them: a monstrous claw. The PD is not included in the list of monstrous claw droppers, and as I'm currently ignorant on how such tables can be edited, this general query will double as a request for you/someone to wedge the data in there to complete the cross-reference, unless I'm clued in on how to do it myself. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Kruhljak (talk).

I'm not sure which list you are referring to, but I've added it to the proper categories. also, don't forget to sign talk page comments with 4 ~'s --JonTheMon 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

In looking at the changes you made to the Plague Devourer page, I now gather that these types of lists/tables are dynamically generated from entries in the categories block, which pretty much answers my original question. Thanks for adding in the new entry. Kruhljak 10:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

4 = 5 for really large values of four

Thanks for catching this. I'm not sure why I always think there are only 4 monuments (maybe because there are only 4 tapestries?).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Lol happens. I figured it was something like that. --JonTheMon 18:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

limes for 8->9 of SQRT( 8 ) = 3. poke | talk 07:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Protected templates

Hey Jon, could you please reduce the protection level of Template:Zaishen Mission, Template:Zaishen Bounty and Template:Zaishen Combat to either semi- or unprotected? You originally bumped them up to protected because they were used on the main page, but they aren't on the main page anymore it'd be nice if I could update them in case the cycle ever gets changed. -- Kirbman 03:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Damn.

You edit fast o.o --Neil2250 15:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The power of rollback compels you! --JonTheMon 15:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

>_< --Neil2250 15:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete my note? Koda Kumi 21:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Because user pages are reserved for registered users. You can make a note on the talk page though. I think Template:Static IP can also be used for what you want (still on talk page). --JonTheMon 21:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

That makes no sense. I am the same person as the IP, and I have a userpage. Preventing purely anonymous IPs from making a userpage is understandable because they have chosen not to have an identity in the first place. But that IP is the same Koda Kumi as the one writing this, just one who forgot to log in. This is utter bureaucracy at its finest. At least a redirect to my userpage should be possible. Koda Kumi 21:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

You don't know that IP will always be you. elix Omni 22:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the main reason is that your IP has a chance to be used by someone that isn't you, while your userpage is expected to only be used by you. Since you don't "own" that IP's page, there's no reason for it to claim it as yours. G R E E N E R 22:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, anyone can use the computer(s) at that location -- or worse, anyone could hypothetically get it by proxy... hardly bureaucracy, just caution | 72 | 22:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Revert

We know Hearts of the North is going to actually take place before Wintersday from this interview (emphasis mine):

"There's going to be a set of costumes coming for the wedding, and they are very, very classy. After seeing Kristen's design for the wedding dress, my fiancé decided that she wanted one nearly identical to it. As for the guys, I think all you need to know is "top hats." With that, I think the single greatest need of the Guild Wars community has at long last been fulfilled. The next costumes we'll be doing after that are for Wintersday. Traditionally, that's a very Dwayna and Grenth affair... but there could be some others getting involved this year."

And I've seen it said that Hearts of the North actually links into Winds of Change, and so takes place before it. Additionally, it seems that "Cantha: Winds of Change" isn't actually the full title, and deleting content just because it is red misses the point of redlinks completely. Just because nobody's bothered making a page for something doesn't mean we should pretend it doesn't exist - the editcopy doesn't necessarily need to be synced with the MP, it just needs to be known that those pages need creating. Just letting you know, I've already used up my one revert. --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Like I said, my only beef was with the multiple red links. Pare it down to 1 and I wouldn't have minded. It was my understanding that Cantha was next, but if not, then it's a different link. --JonTheMon 16:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Beyond

Where was the consensus to remove it? --Manassas 22:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Block issues

Hey Jon. The block on my account is up but for some reason my IP (168.122.167.192/26) is still blocked until January. Wondering if you don't mind removing the block on my IP so I don't have to proxy to post under my username xD Thanks--TahiriVeila 18:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Block issues revisited

Jon, despite what you may think, I am not trying to bypass anything. My ISP gives different numbers depending on situations beyond my control. Don't flatter yourself. You're not that important. 69.182.174.203 19:15, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Protecting update page

Thanks for your quick action protecting today's game update. (The visigoths were starting to outnumber the romans.)

I know there are valid reasons for leaving game updates unprotected, but do you think it might make sense to semi-protect for a while? Perhaps until the derv update (maybe 2-3 months) or at least, after Wintersday (when there won't be so many visits by people drinking too much RL eggnog).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm leery about that. Issues happen, but not usually to the pages themselve, just a lot of rage on the talk pages. So, I (or the other admins), will come to a decision as crap happens. --JonTheMon 01:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Ban ninja!

If I weren't on iPod, I would've beat you! — Raine Valen 18:29, 9 Jan 2011 (UTC)

About Flashing Blades

Hello there. Thank u for clearing that up. Easier to understand now. About validity, I made many runs for some greens and noticed this. I also tested if deals the damage if attacking and if it doesnt while not. Trust me - it is correct. Respectfully Magnum 19:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

my question was regarding the source of the blocking. The "while attacking" thing is in the skill description itself, so I didn't think there was any issue with that. --JonTheMon 19:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... I dunno if u see my point. I was meaning that if u have Flashing Blades active, ANY block - from the all chances from blocking skils (stacked multiplicatively) will deal the damage IF u are attacking and wont if ur not attacking. For further clarification, if u have this skill, Critical Defenses and Shroud of Distress active, tehnically u will be hit by 1 attack out of 64 and if u have only FB active, u will receive 1 out of 4 attacks. But in former case, FB will deal dmg to all 63 blocked attacks and not just the 3 affected by this skill. Respectfully Magnum 19:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I get your point. I was just wondering about proving it. --JonTheMon 19:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh well I proved it when I was trying to get Johon's Longbow and Lissah's Edge. Both are surrounded by stonewolves and both bosses are attackers. I put the 3 skills and in addition Death Blossom and did some hunge AoE over there :) U can pm me tommorow when I log on if u wish cuz now I am tired. It is not too comfortable discussing this way. Respectfully Magnum 19:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Deleted page

The Bio you moved for redirect... it doesn't work... after you read this, feel free to delete. GreenEarth28.

Your page is now at User:GreenEarth28/Naco Dueii --JonTheMon 03:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I know you meant well...

I know you meant well by this change, but I would appreciate it if you had told me that I made a mistake and allowed me the opportunity to fix it. Instead, you changed words attributed to me personally (not as part of a quote) and (in this particular case), made things worse rather than better. (I mistakenly included We Shall Return on the list in the first place; it doesn't belong at all.)

Maintenance edits (indentation and the like) are obviously okay, but none of us should ever change the actual words of someone's post, even if they are factually incorrect. Thanks.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Right, I never responded. Sorry about correcting your edit. At the time, it seemed like the better option, but, well, now we know it wasn't. --JonTheMon 13:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

umm could u give me a little help plz ?

Greetings. I wish to ask u help me for a thing, if u can. I want to modify my user page by puting a picture in the background and I dunno how. Could u tell me ? oh and how do I customize my sig (ex : make it bold) ? I may be good in GW but im not good on wiki formatting. Ty. Respectfully Magnum 12:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Ty for the answer :) gl Respectfully '''Magnum''' 17:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Rollback code

Which code are you using which stops the rollback from spamming the Recent changes page? G R E E N E R 20:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

You have to modify the URL of the page you are clicking the link on. Either add ?bot=1 or &bot=1 to the end of the URL, hit enter, then proceed to rollback. --JonTheMon 20:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

So, it extends beneficial enchantments? also, that's not noteworthy, it's trivia

I don't think it's trivial in this case, because of its importance to running. However, that might be my fault, because I might have removed too much context from the original note.

Is there some compromise phrasing that we could come up with to (a) keep the comparison to Dwarven Stability as part of (b) highlighting the importance to Dervish-based running builds? Sometimes we document how to put two and two together (although, agreed that mostly we shouldn't need to emphasize the obvious).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Why not just add dwarven stability as a related skill? --JonTheMon 05:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think non-runners will see the connection. (Sometimes, the relationship between related skills is not obvious.) If one of our goals in how we document the game is to expose new ideas to people, I think we should make this particular point more clearly.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Then I would add an extra tidbit of information, that Extend Enchantment doesn't cause you to stop running and chain that idea with using it on a run enchantment. But honestly, if you're at extend enchantment's skill page, how can it not occur to you to possibly use it on ims enchants? I can see not knowing it exists, but once you're there... --JonTheMon 13:31, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I got to the EE page and the running connection didn't occur to me because I don't play a Dervish. I was thinking of IMS in terms of stances (or hard-to-extend enchants, e.g. from the elementalist line). Having read the now-removed note, I am reconsidering Dv-- runners over As-- or Ra-- ones.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, as it is, you have to play a dervish to use it, since EE is linked to Mysticism. So if you don't have a dervish, the skill is useless; if you do, then you would be aware of the IMS capabilities for a derv. --JonTheMon 16:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Less Advertising

Is it advertising if I am giving players a resource to get help? Would this "advertising" be better suited in the "Resources" section? --Next Top Runner 01:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

As a guide, we want to be as impartial and time-independent as possible. Pointing those guilds out on the guide itself is definitely not impartial, and who knows how long those guilds will continue doing it? Sure, make a note on the talk page that you got help from them, but not on the guide itself. --JonTheMon 02:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Signature

Um Jon my Signature isn't working... --[[User:Kronix xxx|Kronix xxx]] 17:34 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Tick "Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)" - J.P.Talk 17:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

lol I got it now :) --Kronix xxx 2:14, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Activities working

If you look back earlier in the day, I was actually making everything. I got to a point and I wasn't sure what else to do so I figured eventually someone would come in and fix it. Basically, my template had Jaya Bluffs in the wrong spot but everything else was right. Devi Talk 15:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

[1]

Heh, yeah I thought it might have been, and forgot to revert it myself when I saw that it didn't change anything. Took me a bit to figure out how to change everything. I hope I haven't broke anything. Might want to just check through my contributions just incase. :P -- Lacky 18:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like updating Template:Cycle/Vanguard will make things go. Might have to do a purge, but that happens. --JonTheMon 20:12, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

G1

Does it make your life (and that of your colleagues') easier if non-admins use {{delete|g1|speedy}} vs {{delete|vandal|speedy}} vs {{delete|speedy}}? Or do you end up having to review the page anyhow? (Obviously, for me it's easier to stick with standard English.) Thanks.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Reviewing the page is always necessary; the way you tag it doesn't really matter as long as the actual reason can be easily guessed. Just note that your last example wouldn't be tagged as a speedy deletion. poke | talk 18:55, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks (speedy helps, explain if not obvious, otherwise, not matter much)  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Pretty much the thing I look for the most is a speedy tag. The code/explanation can help me to interpret the page faster, but I generally glance over it anyways. --JonTheMon 20:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

"Cost notation." on Userpages

I undid it all. Thought you should know. —Proton 16:48, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I could see it happening as you did it. --JonTheMon 16:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

How is it a suggestion, explain.

Give me precise detail.. cuz then I'll just reword it just for YOU to make it "look" like me talking to the lead designer. If it isn't already look that way. --Ridz16 19:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Basically, it is a suggestion because you're suggesting something. Take it to your Feedback space. We have rules, please abide by them. — Why 19:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

You can talk to John on his talk page all you like.. about the weather, what games he likes to play... or asking questions to clarify a recent change in GW or even a not so recent one. It becomes a suggestion when you start proposing your own ideas for how something could be done better/work better in the game. At that point, it becomes a suggestion and it belongs in the Game suggestion area of the Feedback namespace. I personally think that's pretty simple to understand, I don't get why so many otherwise intelligent people don't. -- Wyn talk 22:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Templates

I responded on my talk page, to keep it simple for any admins/sysops/whatevers. Teddy Dan, yo. 13:02, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Life draining

← moved to Talk:Life_Draining#Guaranteed_Drop

Just curious

Which account of Kaisha/Ariyen/???? hasn't served out a full one year block? -- FreedomBound 13:58, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

IP usage. --JonTheMon 13:59, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. -- FreedomBound 14:01, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

for keeping John's talk clean (or as clean as it's going to get, at least).

Also thanks to the other people who help out without me noticing it in my watchlist.

-- Armond{{Bacon}} 20:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Is there any chance of getting me unbanned from IRC?

Pling went on a rampage a few months ago and just banned every IP i used to log in. Also: do you check the email address you have listed for Special:EmailUser?--TahiriVeila 03:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I do check that e-mail, but often times the issue doesn't seem urgent and/or gets flooded out with other stuff. As for IRC, I'll see about unblocking that tomorrow. --JonTheMon 04:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Auron still has me banned from that channel. Kaisha 04:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

The guy you just blocked

Thanks, it was getting annoying. (Also, please take a look at the Hole of Istan quest - I failed in clearing up the damage and I think I may have removed all the dialogue. This was unintentional.) Harrier C. Goodman talk 20:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I restored the last good version. --JonTheMon 20:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I want to know what happened to Low Interest Credit Cards 1-3048

Inquiring minds.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 05:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd love to know as well, but it won't do me any good as I am paying them back... >.< Kaisha 05:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

"How would we know" - Kaineng Tah and Shiro

I added the info to Shiro's page, that's how. Like that, it mirrors the situation for every other descendant situation (excluding the articles between GWW and GW2W). -- Konig/talk 17:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

As royalty it's not a surprise and so isn't as noteworthy (Salma and Adelbern). Actually, Doric's page mentions them: "All modern royalty in Tyria, including Kryta, are descendants of Doric himself." --JonTheMon 18:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Since so many people want it there, I won't continue the argument, but I still don't see the relevance of the note. The line you quoted is there because it doesn't necessarily make sense for all three monarchies of Tyria to he descended from him, especially Kryta since they're from Elona.-- Konig/talk 18:45, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

cool story bro

so how comes you can delete honest questions from your page but i cant delete vandalism from mine then? not that youll answer because you're obviously such a pro mod LOL. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 109.169.41.74 (talk).

Push tang

elix Omni 07:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

John's page

Ha, I see you were faster on the draw than me. -- Hong 16:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

yeah, it was starting to get off track, so I cut more than you did. --JonTheMon 16:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

wat

Since when are you a bot? elix Omni 01:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't you like to know? --JonTheMon 01:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Don't go all Aiiane uncooperative clam? on me here. elix Omni 01:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Now that is a little low there; keep your issues with Aii where they belong. However, I'm surprised you didn't know about bot rollback. Admins are allowed to flag rollbacks as bot. --JonTheMon 01:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't see that option anywhere in my GuildWiki preferences; the only thing I see regarding rollbacks is "Omit diff after performing a rollback." elix Omni 01:28, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I believe I linked this somewhere before, but this is the media wiki link. And FYI, I have a client to run to in a few minutes, so I won't be able to help much for a couple hours. G R E E N E R 01:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

It's a little obscure, but it involves manually adding a parameter to the rollback url. basically, you add ?bot=1 or &bot=1 to the url. The easier method is to add that to either RC or the ip's contrib url. --JonTheMon 01:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I'll keep reverting stuff for a little while but you should probably ask ArenaNet to install/enable AbuseFilter. Sorry for deleting your post, not sure how I missed it. elix Omni 01:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Helloes

So what was so wrong with my userpage that it had to be deleted? You called it as vandalism, but I wouldn't consider it as vandalism if I create my _own_ userpage.Barbe-Q Michael 13:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You didn't create it. It was just a random vandal bot. If you'd like to create a userpage, by all means, go ahead. - Tanetris 13:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, I just noticed it wasn't mine. Huge apoligies. Barbe-Q Michael 13:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

No biggie. If you weren't aware of the vandal bots, it would seem suspicious. --JonTheMon 14:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi! My Alliance is having an issue with a person named Dominated Queen and we made a post on the admin page and was wondering if we will be notified of the action taken to resolve the issue? I will check back in the next day or two to find out what your responce is thanks! Saphire Rose Flame is my GW in game name or you may contact Micks Little Queen as well.

Cracked Armor

I just spent some time researching Armors of Salvation and armor caps, and came to the conclusion that Cracked armor breaks if any combination puts you over 45 armor. For example, I used a combination of Armor of Earth that gave +43 armor and an Armor of Salvation that gave +10 armor and Cracked Armor didn't affect me. udas 19:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

er, that's not really a good test. Armor of salvation itself would override any benefit of other armor benefits less than 43. Ideally you'd use dolyak signet and armor of earth at 25 AR each and see what happens if you have CA on. --JonTheMon 19:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

If you look at the page I linked, I tested many combinations, and each time some combination would go over 45, Cracked Armor stopped working (for example, 43 armor from Armor of Earth and 10 armor from Armor of Mist broke it the same as 43 armor from Armor of Earth and 10 armor from Armor of Salvation). And how would an Armor of Salvation override any benefit of other armor benefits? udas 19:08, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Damnit, I meant armor of earth. Anyhow, wouldn't it be better to do this kind of testing in, say, a mock gvg battle setting? Finally, to finish being thorough, could you try a test with two ~24 AR sources? --JonTheMon 19:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) The exact mechanics (bugged or otherwise) are of interest to everyone; if you guys want to continue the discussion, could you do so in a more public location? (At the very least, User talk:Judas/AoS, but preferably at Talk:Effect stacking or Talk:Cracked Armor). Thanks! — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

With two +24 armor sources, Cracked Armor is most likely also bugged. However, it has no actual influence: if Cracked Armor works: 24+24=48, then -20 from cracked armor is 28, but capped at 25; if Cracked Armor doesn't work: 24+24=48, but they are capped at 25. So I'm inclined to say Cracked Armor is bugged, because it shows in every test that offers to possibility of a difference in effect. If you have any other questions, please post them at the relevant page, like TEF suggests, so they're more visible. I am happy to answer any question, or test untested hypotheses. udas 19:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Election results

• (User rights log); 14:54 . . Aiiane (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:Aiiane from Bureaucrats, Check users and Sysops to Check users and Sysops (End of term.)
• (User rights log); 14:53 . . Aiiane (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:JonTheMon from Check users and Sysops to Check users, Sysops and Bureaucrats (Election winner)

Congratulations. :) (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:55, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Congrats Jon. elix Omni 21:55, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

(Also, don't forget to fill in your email at Guild Wars Wiki:List of bureaucrats.) (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:00, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

congrats john.- Zesbeer 07:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Except you Zesbeer; I'll thank you when you strike that "h". --JonTheMon 12:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) happy?- Zesbeer 02:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Zesbeer! :D --JonTheMon 03:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Grats Jon. Aqua (T|C) 04:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations! :-) --Lania 16:51, 06 July 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguating

Since you weighed in at Talk:Zaishen Challenge Quest, maybe you might be interested in commenting here? Seems like we need a more definitive policy/style guide on this matter. -- Hong 18:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Order of regions template(s)

← moved to Template talk:Prophecies regions

audience w/togo notes

at the very least the grammar there needs to be cleaned up, how about changing it to something like "there are eight versions of this quest that can be completed before choosing your second profession"? (yes I see thei rony of using a runon to complaina bout grammar) 24.130.140.36 17:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Abuse filters

Are currently publicly viewable; just a heads up. -- Hong 13:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Not all of them are visible, but this disabled one on Prevent IP edits on filter 3 is. Might want to make it private. :-) Kaisha 21:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

It's "disable IP edits"..... there's nothing about it to hide. --JonTheMon 21:34, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping on top of the filter, Jon. I have bookmarked a few tabs, but was not able to get around to reading them this weekend. G R E E N E R 14:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, I was kinda the one pushing for it, so I should be a little more on top than most. --JonTheMon 14:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll append my gratitude with more, after seeing the log this morning. G R E E N E R 16:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Simpler is simply wrong

Says everything. 88.152.25.23 13:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

If there is no way to have a 2-character account, then it doesn't matter how it is viewed as long as it conveys the appropriate quantities. --JonTheMon 14:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Reminder

Test more, revert less. Really, you don't play the game as much as you wiki. Change that, it helps not being wrong. 88.152.25.23 16:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you've found a bug, 88. It helps to learn to figure out what's "suppose" to happen as to what "happens". :-) Jon might play the game more than you think or know. Also, we document facts on the wiki aka bugs, etc. (which is best reported on the forums). Kaisha 16:12, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The edit i reverted stated a functionality as an intended functionality "it does this" as opposed to "It's doing this, but it's not supposed to". As stated it was wrong. As it was recently corrected, it is right. --JonTheMon 16:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Read the talk page – Emmett 16:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

What remains is, that you - as often before - reverted to something utterly wrong. Simply because you barely ever test things. By the way, "it does this" is not wrong when, in fact "it does this". Sure, the wiki documents intentions but my edit did not contain any claim for intention. So yes, you were purely and in every manner wrong. 88.152.25.23 16:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

AbuseFilter

I couldn't find a specific place for this, so I figured here would be the next best place. When I went to mark these for deletion, AbuseFilter caught me and thought I was link spamming. Perhaps a filter/edit/whatever to make anything following {{copyvio| allowed? ~FarloTalk 23:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

That was actually set up by Anja, but I could tweak it to ignore edits that add {{delete or {{copyvio if you think that's sufficient. --JonTheMon 23:22, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that should work. I didn't look through the filters and just saw that you had edited/made some, so I figured you knew what you were doing :P Thanks for the fix. ~FarloTalk 04:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Another thing to include (if you can, or I'll go ask Anja :P) would be to allow "external" links back into this Wiki without having to reconfirm it. When I did this it thought I was spamming. Not a big issue, but is kinda confusing/annoying when it's not spam. ~FarloTalk 22:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes bots make a really small page with just a link and a little text, so I can see the potential of the filter. How do you think it should be improved? Add a non-autoconfirmed clause or something? --JonTheMon 14:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand that, and completely agree the filter is needed. If it's possible, I was thinking to allow/not warn any external link that contains "wiki.guildswars", that way anything that goes back into here or the GW2W would be allowed. Can you add keywords that way? haha. ~FarloTalk 20:22, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

[2] -- Armond Warblade 23:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) There's apparently a filter to prevent IPs from removing all text. However, it's possible to include a small amount of text one edit and then remove everything else in a subsequent edit. Is there any way to prevent that? Perhaps IPs shouldn't be allowed to remove more than x% (or Y bytes)? – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

There is something like that, but I'm not sure what edit(s) you're talking about. --JonTheMon 16:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Logout. Go to any non-protected page. Add a line of text. Save. Re-edit and remove everything else but the line you added. Save. → In effect, that allows you to replace the contents of an article with an advert while making it look like something else entirely (and making it slightly more difficult to restore to the original). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

eh, most of the edits the filters are intended to catch are one-offs. A double-edit like that is much less frequent. Even so, some of those double edits would still run into the filters. --JonTheMon 18:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Why wait for the bot world to catch on? I cannot think of a reason why an IP should be removing a large number of bytes from an article (except perhaps in the Guild space). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

We already have a check for large removals from mainspace. And I just tested it; it'll catch. It's just that not everything will hit the threshold. --JonTheMon 20:15, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, good. The page I used to test only had 2-3 short paragraphs, so that's probably below the threshhold. Thanks for following up on this with me. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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reed has no contribs 24.130.140.36 18:36, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Bot name + Abuse log. --JonTheMon 18:39, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

bug reports

1. That way it don't flood the forums. People - some - don't search there when they report bugs and mods have to merge. I figured it'd been 'nice' to report this so that more don't intend to report the same bug. 72.148.31.114 06:56, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Unless you want to go to every single usage of {{bug}} and mark whether or not it has been reported on the forums, it doesn't belong. Inconsistency sucks. 76.78.119.108 07:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

It can be nice, when one has been reported, to make a link. Not all have been "reported" and not all have been "fixed". It's not Inconsistency. It's common sense and information that would be useful for players and less hassle on many people. No one "has" to link to the forums, but wouldn't you rather know if a bug has been reported or not on a forum, without having to look through pages on there? (search on there doesn't seem to do that well. Sill not able to find a couple of forum sections that were talking about something that a friend needs as atm they cannot play. Did find one that was useful, but the other were too.) Anyway, I think it'd be nice, but it's not a "have to" or a "got to". Not everything is consistent and not everything will be. Some can, others not so much. It's not as much about consistency that we should worry about, but more about documenting actual information on "guild wars". If the bug reports were here? No doubts, it'd been easy to find. However, they're on the forums and that's not "exactly" and directly linkable, unlike gw2w and gww are. My getting at is, I'd rather help players in more than one "area", than them feeling the need to report something that may be already reported and it get removed or merged, etc. I'll just say is that some aren't shown "links" to others, even if they've researched. I've noticed sections be closed and no "links" to another section if it pertains to or is similar, etc. to the other one. I am more so gearing towards being helpful to the players. This is a community/wiki for the players, right? 72.148.31.114 07:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Of course it would be helpful - I'm just saying that it's a (relatively) massive new undertaking. In other words, a project. Do you want to go through with it? Every single place that there is a bug or anomaly...it should be marked whether it has been reported or not. (Obviously if it was fixed then the bug/anomaly note should just be removed.) It doesn't make sense to do this sort of thing haphazardly, randomly going around and marking a few things as having been reported. Your average visitor is going to see that and think "gee, any bug/anomaly that hasn't been listed as reported on the wiki...hasn't been reported on the forums." Then they might go to the forums and make a duplicate report, because like you say, the search tool doesn't work so well there. There are almost certainly some bugs that have already been reported on the forums that don't have an equivalent notice on the wiki.

To fix this problem, the bug and anomaly templates could be tweaked to have an additional parameter. For example: {{bug|lorem ipsum|link to forums report}} would add an additional line that says the bug has been reported, and show the link to the page. Otherwise, the template should default to saying something like "This bug hasn't been reported on the forums yet. You should do it for us." Then it would include a link to the bug report creation page. Maybe we could even get some really fancy site integration set up so that some of the information is already filled out for ANet, such as having a standardized title for the bug report based on the wiki page name. 76.78.119.108 08:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

If it's not been reported, it doesn't need to be mentioned. Simple. Like A Good Deed was questioned on the wiki, both pages (the festival one) and that one were changed and noted. Not all pages like that are done, despite of other mentions on the forums of pages, skills, etc. It's a courtesy - more-so - than it is something that has to be "consistent". It's not something that needs to be a project or major. Already have a few projects of my one that I do work on that's not listed in the projects area. Some are not "consistent" right now. Like some skills do not have ids. Some armor pages are not fitting to the others. Projects I am working on, because those changes would be "better" to be "consistent". Others that don't need consistency - deleting orphaned pages. Each image would need to be checked for links, etc. And I'm after those that are already reuploaded as pngs instead of jpgs and some to a few are "duplicates" in so many words. In other words, the old ones are now "orphaned". Can be used, but don't need to. New ones, imo, are clear and crisp. Those are "majors", but even so - aren't "immediate" attention, unlike vandalism, copyright, etc. 72.148.31.114 08:23, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I mainly removed the note b/c these aren't the forums; this is a wiki. Commenting on the talk page works, but it shouldn't be part of the documentation. And do we have to adjust our (wiki) articles b/c someone isn't that good at forums? --JonTheMon 14:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

No, but since you removed this note, might as well remove other notes linking to the forums and the devs explaining certain things like a quest, etc. that's on there. It'd be more consistent, than having links on any page (other than the game bugs, accont bugs, etc.) like quests, skills, etc. to the forums. 72.148.31.114 15:46, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Linking to the forums isn't the issue; it's documenting the forums that's the issue. Current links to the forums and devs are based on verification of wiki documentation. --JonTheMon 16:56, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

tier

because oops. 24.130.140.36 02:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Flux page

I think that the IP was making a joke. Apparently there's a meme about finding the weak points of a giant enemy crab to inflict massive damage.--Four Year Strong 16:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Personally, the first thing i thought of was "terrible, terrible damage" --JonTheMon 16:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

"breakpoints don't work like that"

do they work like this? 24.130.140.36 02:56, 6 September 2011 (UTC)