User talk:Wynthyst/Archive/Dec 09

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I made someone else sad by doing this, and that is enough. Jette User Jette awesome.png 08:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

It's spelled EFF-EYE-ARE-ESS-TEE -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 08:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi there Wyn, Im still wanted to thank you for dying my links =) However, on my talk and feedback page is something weird going on, the word navigation is listed 'under' the word mainpage. I tried some things to fix it but with no succes. Do you know how to fix it? Or is it just my computer messing up? Thanks in advance =D -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 08:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

It looks fine to me, so it must just be your computer :D What browser are you using? -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 08:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Im using IE(78) (on Windows Vista). -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 08:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
There you go, I cleaned up the code a bit. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Many thank you's!!!! <3 -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 09:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Can I make a suggestion for your main page? Try something like User:Wynthyst/Sandbox/blank for your userboxes. It will center them in the column. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 10:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
I like! -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 15:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


I noticed that you have just changed emblem, which we are using as a guild. It`s nicer, so I want to say: Thank You. But I have additional question: after your edition theres a line: {{Guild: Finding_It_Really_Easy/Userbox}} with nowiki signs. Does it have to be there? And if yes, what it causes? Cause I can see the text on the guilds page Guild: Finding_It_Really_Easy/Userbox and I don`t like it. Thx for answer. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Yennefer Maderius (talk).

It's just the usage code for the userbox, and no it doesn't have to be there, I just thought it might be easier if people didn't have to go to another page to find the code to add the box to their page. It's a pretty standard notation for userbox usage. I changed the coding on your guild page to just the actual userbox code to remove it from the category, since your guild is not a user. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 12:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


lol you deleted my signature picture because I didn't bow to your power, your original complaint was that the picture didn't represent my name, now it's copyright infringement GG. --PriceLESS 15px 13:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The Mastercard icon is copyrighted. Do you need any other reason? Titani Uth Ertan 13:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
No, I deleted your signature image because it's a violation of our Copyright policy and had been tagged as such by another user. I would not want you to "bow to my power" though as a user on this wiki, I asked you to change your signature to be in accordance with our Signature policy that states "It is common practice for a signature to resemble to some degree the user name it represents." and Priceless in no way resembles Thrash imo. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 13:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
I would also like to point out that the image was named incorrectly as it should have been User Thrash Mastercard.gif since your username is NOT Priceless. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 13:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
WTF? renaming doesn't work? lol --Boro 10px‎ 15:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
And just why would I rename an image that is tagged as a copyright violation? -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 15:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
No logic in my wiki! :P Koda User Koda Kumi UT.jpeg Kumi 15:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Besides which, it was a signature image, so the code would need to be changed in Thrash's preferences, which he doesn't seem very inclined to do, given his overall response to my request he fix his signature a week ago. All of which is once again a moot point since it was a copyright violation in the first place. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 15:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Elite Skills Template


Just wanted to let you know that "Charge!" is now Charge! and that the template needs some adjusting, I wanted to do it but it's not my page :). So can you? I use alot of your templates and I like them, some need to be updated tho.

Here are the ones that are not up to date:

  • Monument of Devotion template (commander title No, the red "no" doesn't display correctly when used with commander title)
  • Monument of Honor Template (new minipets)

Anyway hope you'll update them, and when or if I notice anything else I'll let you know. --talk Qaletaqa Hania 03:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to change the elite skills template (I am aware of the change) as it is used by MANY people here, though I am looking into a way to make it work either way. For now, simply use it with the quotation marks. As for the others, I will take a look at them. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 11:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I have updated my Miniatures template, the Devotion template, and the honors template (both to accept the {{no|red}} for the Commander title but also to add the Codex title. Let me know if you find any other problems. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 12:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
If you want, I could take a look at it and make it accept both "Charge!" and Charge! --JonTheMon 13:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
That would rock Jon, thank you. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 13:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, it should be good then. --JonTheMon 14:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much Jon! <3 -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 14:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
And a Omnomnom from a user of said template that also wishes to thank you, Jon. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 14:49, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Heh funny how the problem and fix was identical to the one I suggested back in June for Victory is Mine. --Kakarot Talk 15:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Jon and Wyn :). talk Qaletaqa Hania 09:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Question Bubble Gold

Images such as these come under the Category:Special images category. -- My Talk Lacky 07:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:P -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 12:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Holy crap, someone not actually getting up me for something I have said...who are you and what have you done with my beloved Wynthyst? =P -- My Talk Lacky 07:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for changing my guild cape jpg. Looks awesome! Draska121 06:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Wynthyst

How hard can it be to ride a motorcycle? They are just pushbikes with engines. Part of my daily job role is to ride to collect co-workers lunch orders from McDonalds. I balance the bags on my handlebars because they will not buy me a basket. I think that qualifies me for something. Often, I have to make the trip twice when McDonalds® employees leave something out of the order. Actually, on average, every third time I go through the drive through they forget to include prt of my order. Also the girls who work there are too attractive. This means that if I want something from my local McDonalds® late at night, I have to shower, shave and wear something nice before I can get a simple snack. As it takes me at least two hours to do my hair, I am practically starving by this time and therefore order twice as much food as usual. Ordering more food increases the chance of them leaving something out. Last night it was an apple pie and that is really the only thing I like from there. It is quite obvious to me that they do this on purpose. Once, I ordered two big macs, minus the beef, large fries and an apple pie. When I got home and opened the bag, there were two happy meals in there. The toy in each was a Kim Possible figurine which worked out well as I gave one to my son and kept one myself. For a cartoon character, you have to admit that Kim Possible is quite attractive. I also have a thing for Lois from the television series Family Guy so I must have a penchant for cartoon redheads which is vaguely puzzling to me as I cannot stand redheads in real life. Nobody can. I read somewhere that redheads are more prone to allergies and if this is a science fact, and includes allergies to bee stings, all redheads should be encouraged to wear bright yellow T-Shirts.

Regards, David ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

[1]Jette User Jette awesome.png 13:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Wyn's page is unbelievably boring. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 15:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
At first I didn't see there's a response here, because I automatically ignore this page on my watchlist. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 15:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
As I automatically ignore your edits on RC. I'm glad you find my page boring, let's keep it that way kthnxbai. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 16:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep on practicing. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 16:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


Is this you? - Mini Me talk 16:32, 7 December 2009

I was wondering when this would come up. You put it on your user page 2 days ago. And Mini Me, that's just rude. - Reanimated X 16:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm just curious. - Mini Me talk 16:39, 7 December 2009
Oh gawd that's so hawt. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 16:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
LOL! Too funny, I was wondering when the trolls were going to fall for it! That is a photo I use as a profile in some places. But not really me. I'm not so dumb as to have actual pictures of myself on the internet. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 17:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

No offense intended, but usually when people post profile pictures that are of other people, they usually choose those that look better than Is that true? I'm just curious like Mini Me. Pika Fan 18:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

It was just a random picture from a photo studio I used to work at years ago. Also, why would I want to represent myself as some cheap blonde bimbo? -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 18:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
That is a photo I use as a profile in some places. And a profile is not a representation of oneself in part or whole? Ah well, thanks for your reply anyway, I gained what I needed to know. Have a nice day! Pika Fan 18:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict..)< irelivance > i have a yawning tiger as my profile pic in many places O.o < /irelivance > ... well duh... wynn is smart(-er than the average bear) too.. i hope--Neil2250 User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 18:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
That looks like a brunette to me. >.> User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 19:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

>I'm not so dumb as to have actual pictures of myself on the internet.

I have pictures of myself on the internet, but then again, I'm not a woman (which, from most feminists' standpoints makes a large difference) and I'm not hideous (not suggesting you are, just saying....I assume that's the reason some people don't). Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 20:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Why would you put up a picture of a stranger on the internet? That's kind of selfish. Just don't have any picture at all.
I heard you have a manly beard, KJ. - Mini Me talk 21:08, 7 December 2009
It's less manly now because I trim it, but c. I did get complemented on my rugged-ness the other day, but for all I know she could have been trying to sell me something (or she could have been a prostitute). Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 21:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Redundant, isn't it? -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 22:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't only have pictures of myself on the internet, I have them on PvX. I figure one day I'll suck my way into a recording contract and be the next, white Lil Wayne so it won't matter whether or not I put pictures up because everyone else would put them up anyway. Also, I hate people who either don't have or use a fake profile picture on Facebook. You don't use Facebook do you? ··· Danny Pew Pew 22:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, who is the picture of the little girl of? According to the file data, I'd guess it was scanned in, which would lead me to believe it was an older family photo given the discoloration. Is that Cute McWyn when she was little? ··· Danny Pew Pew 22:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Enough already, it's a cousin if you must know, but they have been removed from photobucket now, so as far as I'm concerned this topic is closed. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 22:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Linsey's feedback

Is getting pretty huge again, and it's been a while since she answered (I think). Maybe it's time to prot it again. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 01:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to keep it open as long as possible, by moving (or asking for moves) of discussions that properly belong elsewhere. If people would simply not respond with walls of text and create these huge community discussions on her page it would work fine. **Sigh** -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 01:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out I haven't been contributing to that mess...infact I moved some stuff as well
PS: Is there some kinda DDoS going on right now in addition to the Vandal Blitz? Really feels there is... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 02:31, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
No, the vandal just targeted template pages that exploded the job queue. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 02:35, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
It's a topic people want to discuss. They want to know why nothing is being done about their game failing harder and harder by the update. -- Tha Reckoning 19x19px 02:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Wut? -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 02:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I was just about to say something about Regina's page looking worse but then it came under Template attack too... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 02:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Feedback space question

When users are registered on the wiki, but don't have a main feedback space page (meaning they didn't click through the instructions, or didn't do it correctly), how much time should elapse before marking the pages for deletion (or should they be marked at all)? There are currently only two (Stigtrix (talkcontribslogsblock log), requested to create page today, and Deviant Khan (talkcontribslogsblock log), to whom you directed a request on Nov 1). -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 18:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

At this point, they have both already agreed to the terms by posting the suggestion (technically). I think the consensus (here) is to simply go ahead and create the Feedback:User/Username page for them. Though you might want to wait to see who else weighs in on this discussion. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 18:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
We established the Feedback namespace in that way as it currently is, to ensure that people have to care enough about their own suggestions to get them listed here. Showing that they cannot even read the rules correctly, and don't react on requests, tells me that they don't really care enough about them, so they should rather be deleted instead of us doing the job for them. poke | talk 21:33, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


Was the Dwarven redirect deleted accidentally due to a mass deletion spree, or for any reason in particular? Since it's used to refer the species, i think it makes sense for it to redirect to the Dwarf article...--Fighterdoken 21:13, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Since I don't remember deleting it, it was most likely as part of a mass deletion spree. It was tagged, and there was no opposition (I always check that at least. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 21:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

How is it unnecessary?

How is it unneccesary (specifically Horde of Darkness (npc)) to have a page redirect because of capitalization? I thought that was one of the main purposes to have the redirect, is for alternate spellings and capitalization, to bring it to the correct page. 42 - talk 06:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Nobody will enter it like that though. You would rather enter "Horde of Darkness" which will lead you to the correct page. poke | talk 06:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the chance of it being entered like that are large, if they use the (npc) part. Most of the time, when I type something in the search box, I use all lower case (too lazy to hit the shift key), and this is clearly under a "redirect acceptable" type of issue on the naming article page. It is basically the same principle, except in practice almost exact reverse, to "Some common nouns are capitalized in-game when used in name labels. In these cases, a redirect from the capitalized term to the lowercase is advised." 42 - talk 06:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The "(npc)" part is a simple tag this wiki uses for disambiguation purposes, and is not intended to be accesed directly. As such, by removing the redirect we are encouraging users to actually use the right spelling for this wiki.
There is no problem with having redirects for "Horde of darkness" by example, but the instances of a direct link to "Horde of Darkness (npc)" should be small enough as to be fixable, and only localized on articles instead of the search box.--Fighterdoken 06:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
That covers the useage within the wiki article naming itself, but this applies just as much to someone using the search box from in game. If they type in (in this example) "horde of darkness (npc)", what they get is the search page, when this is something simple to have a redirect page, for capitalization. That is what redirects are for. You might say it is their sole purpose, to redirect people to the page or pages they should be going to.
Making it harder on people just because of things like this is pointless, and it seems almost silly to me. It seems to be more of the "well this is someplace else, so let's make it harder than it needs to be for people to find it." type of mindset. It isn't like having a redirect page takes up a huge amount of space or bandwidth. 42 - talk 06:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
You say you're too lazy to type it in caps. The vast majority of people are too lazy to type (npc) out PERIOD. Most of them are going to be typing simply "horde of darkness," not knowing that a quest by that name exists. They then reach the quest page, which has a nifty little disambig at the top.
Very few, if any, people will ever type "horde of darkness (npc)" in the search bar. You're arguing on their behalf, and it's kind of silly. -Auron 07:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Not to mention you usually get the little drop-down box that auto-completes for you (but makes you use arrows instead of tab to do it, which is totally gay). –Jette User Jette awesome.png 07:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Auron, so is ignoring reasonable points based solely on you think differently than that point. I happen to think that it is silly that people use total bullshit reasons to justify not doing something instead of honestly looking at something. Even if I happen to disagree with their ideas, I try to give it an honest look anyway. 42 - talk 07:18, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
You got to realize we aren't writing this wiki for a fictional statistic of people. --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 07:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Just as you need to remember that the people who work on the wiki aren't the only ones who make use of it, and to pretend that they (the people that don't work on it) don't matter by calling them a "fictional statistic of people" is a worse issue. 42 - talk 07:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
It's a non-issue. A billion people think it's a non-issue. You're the only one still here whining about it. Give it a rest. Row row fight the power where it matters, not on every deleted redirect. -Auron 07:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Okay, I'm calling bullshit for various reasons:
  1. Most people (as in a good 95+% of them) know what an acronym is. Most of the people that come to the wiki (as in a good 95+% of them) that know what an NPC is know that it's an acronym. Most people that know what an acroynm is, if not nearly all those people, know that you capitalize acronyms. That's just grammar 101.
  2. Wiki-noobs aren't going to necessarily know how to distinguish between the NPC and the quest when searching on the wiki. That's why there is a disambiguation in place.
  3. Honestly, there's that little drop box thing that pops up when you start typing for whatever you're searching. If your too lazy to move your pinky however-many-sixteenths of inch down to press the shift key, all you have to do is wait, at most, 5 seconds for a list of article names to pop up.
You can't say you're catering to an audience when common sense indicates that audience doesn't exist.--User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 07:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Moving the cursor, no matter how small a distance, takes up additional time for our poor user who is probably right in the middle of that quest or something. It may only be a fraction of a second, but over time the savings will add up and be huge...and it could be a matter of life or death in-game! Vili 点 User talk:Vili 19:54, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
^ lol -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 19:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) And yet, when I use the "common sense" point to prove my side of a discussion, it is meaningless. It is funny how that works. 42 - talk 08:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I did not tag it, I simply deleted it after it had been tagged by someone else since there was no opposition to the deletion on the talk page. That is the janitorial part of my "job" as a sysop. The fact I was the the one that actually deleted it is totally meaningless when you wish to find out why it was deleted. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 08:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I've restored the redirect: there's no real harm in having it around, and since there is at least some contention, there's a decent reason not to use a speedy on it. I'd suggest just leaving it. Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 11:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
It was your comment about "unnecessary" on the history that prompted me commenting to you about it Wyn. That is all. 42 - talk 04:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
In looking at the page history, the redirect was created when Ariyen moved the page to Horde of Darkness (NPC). Most move redirects lately are deleted as R2 Unnecessary redirects, unless they are otherwise categorized. I personally don't believe anyone will be searching for Horde of Darkness (npc), I think they will be searching for Horde of Darkness, which has the other use disambigulation link at the top to the appropriate page. The talk page redirect was deleted as an R2 Unnecessary redirect because that is what it was. It's been restored, so I guess I don't understand what the actual problem is here, or why it has become this wall of text on my talk page. I don't type in the comment, it is placed when I apply the deletion reason. Once again, I think you are just talking to create drama and controversy 42, and it's really getting old fast. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 05:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the first redirect was created when I moved it Wyn, not sure which specific point in the history you were looking at. I am talking to get questions and concerns answered Wyn. For the record, it is also getting old getting told to follow the guidelines and then being raked over the coals when I do. 42 - talk 06:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Templates Question

Hey Wyn, I've been working on my overly neglected character pages and I've found a set of templates I'd like to join into 1 template as well as reorganize. My problem is, I can't find the templates original pages with all the coding on it. The template pages were: Template:ElonaHeroProgress, Template:EotNHeroProgress, and Template:CoreHeroProgress. I'm pretty sure I could do the editing my self. Could you help me find these pages? Thanks in advance. Magic User Magic Icon.jpg Talk 17:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Um... those are the original pages. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 17:51, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Heh.. hehehe.. Once a noob.. always a noob.. :3 Magic User Magic Icon.jpg Talk 17:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Could you help me with a few more things, if you have the time? Here's one of my character pages. I'd like to remove the "Name origin, character description, favorite quote, whatever!" box and some how use this title progression code in the big blank space to the right of the characters profile in the main "body" box. I'd also like to see if my menu bar could span the length of my character tables and have equal space in each of the tabs. Any help you can yield would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :) Magic User Magic Icon.jpg Talk 18:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh man, I hate working with Y0's templates. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 19:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

yo <- this isn't working and I don't know why:- ( pls help:3 - Wuhy User Wuhy sig.jpg 02:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed... it needed to be named Template:User paper gwen -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 02:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
oh>.< yesh. ty - Wuhy User Wuhy sig.jpg 12:09, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Heads Up

Hey Wyn, I haven't gotten to the Codex skill list as I was working on my pages so if you don't get on it tomorrow then I guess I'll do it when I get on. (Just figured I'd tell you since I've been doing it lately and didn't want to drop the ball and miss a list.) Got a new problem but I know you're sick of working on it. I don't think it's a big thing and knowing you, you'll prolly whip out some simple way to fix it. Also, I'd like to ask you something via whispers if you don't mind. It's not personal but I'd rather not post it here. Thanks! Magic User Magic Icon.jpg Talk 07:46, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


I hardly think minor profanity is something a grown woman like Regina can deal with, nor is asking a perfectly justified question. True, neither of us would have phrased it that way, but it's no reason to threaten a block. It is precisely this type of overzealous response on staff feedback pages that both paints you as an ArenaNet lackey and gives people the impression that you act on your emotions. I understand that you consider various staff members personal friends and all that good stuff, but you really can't jump in flexing your sysop muscle, if for no other reason than being personally involved. Of course, there's nothing prohibiting you from defending friends as a regular user. I think others would agree with me here, or I wouldn't be posting this. User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 11:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

While I do agree with you to a degree Felix, I feel the need to say that Wuhy was obviously looking to start something other than a productive discussion. I would've done exactly as Wyn did, if not any harsher (though I guess that's what doesn't make me sysop), and I know many other people who'd also feel the same way.
Of course, while you were entirely justified in telling him to STFU, people will still bitch and moan about fanboyism. Your only option is to not care about what idiots say, so welcome to the club! Here, have a beer. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 11:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:D - Wuhy User Wuhy sig.jpg 14:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
This had nothing to do with any Fanboyism, I'm tell Anet they have screwed up all the time, I just do it in private. This is about being rude and utterly disrespectful when it's unnecessary. Regina has ALWAYS responded better when you treat her with respect (or at least not blatant disrespect), whether you want to swear like a sailor or not. Profanity, while it's nothing we censor for, is just unnecessary, rude, and obnoxious, especially when posed to someone you are asking for something. I don't think it would kill Wuhy to have posed the question WITHOUT the profanity, and it would have more than likely received an answer other than it did. I was not flexing my muscles in protection of a friend, I was telling Wuhy if he can't show better sense than to start a discussion on a staff page with anything but disrespect, he had best plan to be banned. He has been warned before about his harassment and treatment of staff pages. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 16:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Did it sound like I wanted answers? I just wanted to swear at regina because I was expecting the update, thats all : ). - Wuhy User Wuhy sig.jpg 18:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
If you didn't want answers you should not have posed it as a question, and just sworn at her. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 19:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I do not by any means condone Wuhy's post (particularly since it's pointless to swear at Regina for updates when she's not even remotely involved with them), but being obnoxious, rude, and disrespectful still isn't banworthy, regardless of where it is, since after all ArenaNet staff members are still just regular wiki users. As a precedent I cite everything Auron has ever posted. Besides, I think Regina dealt with the situation quite satisfactorily. User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 11:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

This 2

I hardly think profanity is something a grown woman like Regina should have to deal with, especially when asking a question that could have been phrased nicely. I mean, neither of us would have phrased it that way, and it's not enough to only threaten a block. It is precisely this type of limp response on this type of action that both paints you as a carebear and gives people the impression that you act on your emotions. I understand that you consider various wiki members personal friends and all that good stuff, but you really can't not jump in flexing your sysop muscle, if for no other reason than being an elected sysop on this wiki. Of course, there's nothing prohibiting you from defending friends as a regular user. I think others would agree with me here, or I wouldn't be posting this. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 12:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

:D - Wuhy User Wuhy sig.jpg 14:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say Freedom, your changes to Felix's statement are rather weird. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 16:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
He is saying that you should stop being passive aggressive and either abuse your powers or carebear like a regular user. Straddling the fence between being a carebear and a powerwhore just makes admins look like fecal stains in my opinion, although I certainly wouldn't say you yourself look like a fecal stain. ··· Danny Pew Pew 22:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Also, please keep in mind that I have not bothered to read the posted link, but that I have seen your defensive comments in various places. I, myself, personally don't appreciate attacks on Regina or Linsey and see them as rather counter-productive at best, but your retorts of "shut up or i'll ban you" are tantamount to the initial attacks, but in more of a snide way. ··· Danny Pew Pew
Interesting conclusion Danny. Actually, I was just trying to point out that whatever Wyn does, it's wrong. Either someone will bitch because she warned him, someone would have bitched if she'd blocked him, and, people bitch (see section below) because the pages are getting too long. Sorry for the confusion. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 00:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Huh. I must've misread. I was getting a rather unfriendly vibe from your post. ··· Danny Pew Pew 01:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Or if she had just chosen not to get involved, I'm sure no one would come along posting "Wyn, what are you doing?! Someone's being RUDE on the INTERNET!" User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 11:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
No, but if she hadn't said anything, someone could (and would, likely) come back and say, "well, you didn't say anything when Wuhy said 'x+y', you must be PMSing and letting your emotions rule again". Like I said, no way to win here. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 19:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


Someone should camp Regina's and Linsey's (and Izzy's, and whoever there is) page to remove all unnecessary comments. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 22:10, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Or alternatively, move them. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 22:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
How about an amendment to GWW:USER (or whatever the policy is that concerns talkpages) that only the original poster, the employee in question, or people who can actually answer a question (i.e. for mundane matters / correct factual errors) are allowed to post, and everyone else's comments get moved + warning + b& for repeated violation? I would not be adverse to that at all. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 23:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
<3 I wouldn't care, but those devs have more important things to do than read through massive rants which lost the relation to the original topic ages ago. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 23:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
That would be a step in the wrong direction. What your talking about would remove everybody elses chance to comment on on the issue at hand, this being their feedback. What needs to happen is drop the warnings and just ban the people who are obviously trolling. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 23:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I support Drogo Boffin's plan. ··· Danny Pew Pew 23:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
We should both ban them and remove the comments. Thus we get rid of faggots like me, and the dev's still don't have to read through the discussions! ---Chaos- (talk) -- 23:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Devs read through (meaningful) discussion? Link or it didn't happen. Titani Uth Ertan 09:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Vili. It's getting ridiculous how the Arena Net talk pages have become forums in which to rant about the game. Erasculio 10:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Can we have a reality check please? The Anet pages were always like that, even before they had their own namespace. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 11:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Please explain why this means we shouldn't fix the matter. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 12:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
The same reason why you shouldn't try to demolish a brick wall with your head. It hurts, and it is ultimately futile. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 15:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Besides, we can't ban all the trolls. We'd have to throw out 99% of the wiki, including most of the people in this thread. –Jette User Jette awesome.png 15:13, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Titani. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 15:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
(EC) Nuke, any problem has a solution. The only difference is how far you are willing to go to solve it. If you throw your head with enough strength, you will destroy that wall...And your head. Erasculio 15:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Which is entirely true. You could, theoretically, did what you did with Izzy's page, but then all the trolls would migrate to the update pages and the feedback sections, which is somewhat free of trolls atm. That would mean the same amount of ranting and whining, only it would be so dispersed that they would be far more difficult to deal with. Right now, everyone rants at the same 4-5 pages, which makes it somewhat easy to spot and ban assholes/bad trolls. Just like Izzy, I'm sure both Regina and Linsey don't bother much with the wiki. The community doesn't lose anything when their pages are infested with trolls. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 15:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Imo ban people, the reason people like KJ and Ilr still cry angsty tears while cutting themselves all over regina/linsey's talk pages daily in every section possible is because all admins do is "asking them to stop". -Cursed Angel Q.Q 15:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
So I heard you're a terrible troll. I mean look at how positively you contribute to this section. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 15:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. Cursed is a positive contributor and a friend. If he offends you, fail less. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 15:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
At least I'm not a faggot, or a hypocrite. "We should both ban them and remove the comments. Thus we get rid of faggots like me, and the dev's still don't have to read through the discussions! ---Chaos- (talk) -- 23:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)" -Cursed Angel Q.Q 16:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Wow, do you comprehend what self-irony means? ---Chaos- (talk) -- 16:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry about CA, Chaos. He's just a huge troll. Tbh, I'm shocked him, Erasculio, and I haven't been perma'd yet. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 16:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
KJ, this is GWW, I'm having fun. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 16:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I just think we need to be rougher on people to try to grief/provoke the Anet staff on their talk pages/feedback space. Lets look at Shard and Adrin they poked and prodded at them for a long time on multiple before anything was done to stop it. No offense to either of you two. Just needed a couple of examples. I suggest we remove comments like this and auto ban the user/ip for 3 days for the first offence and just keep going up. Permaban if it continues but I dont think they should get too many chances. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 15:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Btw, I agree with this concept. Don't let anyone reply to Linsey or Regina's feedback pages ever. Not even Linsey or Regina. That way, no one can troll. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 16:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

TBH, you could just ban Wuhy and Ilr and about 75% of the QQ-troll sections would just about disappear. --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 19:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
You a betting man, riddle? NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 19:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
What are you waging? --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 19:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I like the way Wyn's page is used for everything except alerting her about something that concerns her. Pika Fan 19:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Wyn's page is the soap opera page. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 19:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Let's talk about something random then, since everyone else is doing it. According to chinese mythology, if you cultivate and meditate for 200 years, you turn into an immortal. Although you still can die if another immortal kills you, so basically, chinese immortals are mortals but with shiny mumbo-jumbo. Pika Fan 20:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Guys, either stay on topic or take this to your own talk pages. - Reanimated X 20:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
To be quite honest, I don't mind this topic being on my page for some bizarre reason, the only problem I'm having right now with it is CA... pushing the boundaries dude. I'd also rather have this here, than Regina's page, or the Community Portal, so feel free to carry on. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 20:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
We were remotely on topic until CA, just goes to show how good a troll he is. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 20:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I just don't know any other admin on this site (GWW:ADMIN, or whatever it's called, idc). I might be biased against you, but screw personal matters when I'm trying to encourage ANet employees to wiki more. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Can I make a proposition with ya?

Okay, I know you really hate welcome templates like hell, but I wanna make a deal with you.
Can I use mine only for the friends whom I know in real life or from another wiki. And if I use it on any other page you could ban me or something? xD -- User Halogod35 Sig.png Halogod35 16:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL! It's not up to me. And one thing... how am I suppose to know who these "special" people are to know whether you are sticking to your end of the deal? -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 16:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Simple: He is their new best friend once he welcomes them with such a cute and original template :> ---Chaos- (talk) -- 16:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
..Good point. Who's to decide anyway? -- User Halogod35 Sig.png Halogod35
Lol sorry for stealing your template :P -- User Halogod35 Sig.png Halogod35 21:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Tbh, I really don't care, but I'll always be teasing you about it :> ---Chaos- (talk) -- 08:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Custom user boxes

Hello Wyn! I was just wondering, you have lots of templates and such, so I had a question for you. You know how the userboxes on this Wiki have the brackets and then the User (name here), and you can add them to your Wiki pages? I've been making lots of custom ones, which are in my sandbox, but I was wondering if you knew and could tell me how to turn them into the "proper" code for others to use? I've seen some that even have a username in front of them before the actual name (like User name file), and even those would work. So if you could help me out there, or maybe tell me who can, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! :) Tender Wolf 02:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

For them to be public templates, they need to be in the Template namespace, named Template:User <userbox name> Then the usage code would be {{User <userbox name>}}. Of course you replace the bits in < > . -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 02:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

User Profile

Im having trouble while editing. Want to add a link to the guild I have become officer after being with them for a month. Help please. Thanks. Yoshida Keiji 04:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC) 04:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)]

Wyn's Template doesn't support a Guild Parameter, IIRC. However, I put "Officer in X Knock Out X" under the "Titles and Honors" section. --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 04:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Help :S

Could you help me? I was creating a Rt. skill in my account, and when I saved it the direction was mispelled, and it saved on actaul wiki, not as mine. And I moved it, but the page was still as wiki's, and... could you please completely delete the page? Its as "Delete" if you look for it in the search boxHaunted Shadow

Is this what you mean? -- My Talk Lacky 06:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
No, I believe he was talking about the page called Delete that I deleted shortly after he posted here. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 06:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Ahh, alright, gotcha. -- My Talk Lacky 06:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Oddly enough Wyn, you deleted the same page right around a year ago. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 13:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Where's the commons.js? →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 22:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, yours is at User:Halogod35/monobook.js. Only admins can edit the global one, and of those admins I am the absolutely least qualified to do so. If you want js help, talk to poke. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 22:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not for me, it's for my wiki. →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 23:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

RE: Sysop Action - Quick Question

Hey Wyn, just a quick question about when you move/delete pages etc. Do you have to tag them first if they haven't been already and then delete them, or does it not matter? Cheers! -- My Talk Lacky 06:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

As a sysop, I don't have to tag something that is eligible for a speedy deletion if I see it. When dealing with moved pages, I try to check to make sure the owner has either A) been notified of the move, or B) all links to the page have been corrected before I delete the move remnant. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 06:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Alright, thank you for that update. ^_^ -- My Talk Lacky 06:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


I was thoroughly confused when that page came up, my internet almost died, then came back to me via the force and told me that I'm an idiot for wanting to vandalize that page cause it would have been stupid of me. But like I said, almost...-/- Dang that was quick too, you're like... a super admin -/- Discuss 06:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL! I just have good timing sometimes. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 06:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
o-O did I make your night or something? Or are you laughing at me? -/- thats mean of you wyn, im gonna go shiver and shake in that corner *points to a round room* It may not make sense but neither does math-/end joke- Discuss 06:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm not laughing at you, just laughing at being called a super admin. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 07:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
One hour later, some super admin you are, cant check their own page for one lonely user... lol :D jay kay happy face, dont take this the wrong way -/- plez -/- Discuss 07:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Userbox Categories

Yep, I'll fix those right now! Sorry about that, I'm still learning. :) Thanks for telling me! Tender Wolf 22:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


am very bad at stopping when necessary. Thus I tell everyone else to stfu, and if they do, I have none to respond to. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 23:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Also I'd watch Marcus The Cube, we had some problems with him over on PvX. He spent a week or so causing significant drama (not that PvX didn't milk it for all it was worth) by way of legal threats because we couldn't perminately delete his account and all traces of. Athrun User Athrun Feya Hamster.png 23:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
A user's actions on another wiki have no bearing here. Please stop dragging PvXWiki crap to GWW. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
The action itself really isn't the point, the fact he is capable of being an extremely disruptive person was what I was actually getting across to you. Athrun User Athrun Feya Hamster.png 11:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
What she said =/ It kinda explains my reactions to his actions. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 00:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
That's like saying "a convict's record has no bearing on a ruling in a foreign country". I hope you don't sincerely believe that. ··· Danny Pew Pew 07:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
It actually doesn't Danny. So far, Marcus has not done anything here to warrant any negative actions. Everything he has done has been in direct response to things that other people were doing TO him, mostly based on knowledge of him from PvX. This is why Chaos got a 24 hr ban, and he didn't. I'm just not going to allow disruption of this wiki because you don't like him from PvX. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 07:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

featured article

also time to update featured article. --VVong|BA 04:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

hmm. for some reason, i thought the wintersday decor on the front page had already been enabled. nevermind. --VVong|BA 04:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Not until the decorations go up in game tomorrow I guess. They usually do decorations a day before the event actually starts, but not this time. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 04:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


You guild Gems Of Destiny has [GOD] as the tag. If five letters were allowed, I noticed that [GEODE] would work in line with the gems/crystals theme. So I was just wondering if the word Geode had anything to do with you naming your guild Gems Of Destiny? Maybe it’s just a case of apophenia. ;) Sardaukar User Sardaukar sig.png 09:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Happy Holidays Wyn!--Burning Freebies 16:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays to you, Wyn! and keep up the fine work.MystiLefemEle 09:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Happy Holidays to you and your family. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 10:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Happy Holidays Wyn. --Dominator Matrix 10:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Crazy Holidays!!! Booze!!! - J.P.User J.P. Christmas sig.pngTalk 10:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I will make sure to give my kitten your regards :P Thanks guys. I hope you all have a good holiday too :D -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 10:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Happy Holidays :P --Nick123 User Nick123 sig.jpg 10:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

More character specific templates for users.


As time passes by I make other characters from my account grow, enabling them a chance to have their own profiles at wiki.

I have tried to take some of yours, but when I hit the preview bottom; its like lot of error messages appear and I finally decide to cancel the edition.

So I was wandering if you could make us some new versions. And if possible, templates that will have a fair distribution of space to type or character descriptions in a way that after inserting a picture, the frames keep a balance allowing us to use space efficiently. Also if possible, have the chance to turn on/off sections we feel unnecesary to fill with imformation. For example, not all my characters went to tame a pet.

I thought I could copy the templates from your own characters but those sections have protection that blocked my attempt.

As I was saying above, maybe a specific area for picture only could help us benefit certain inconveniences related to text boxes. And I liked your template where heroes are displayed with images rather word naming. I would like to get that template too. Yoshida Keiji 16:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

There are more people than just Wyn that makes templates. This is a busy time of the year, she may not be able to make new templates (a process that can be very frustrating). I myself made my own templates to simplify the coding on my character pages. My templates along with others' are all available under the Category: User templates --> Category: Character templates page. Mine can be reached from my own userspace.--Neithan DiniemUser Talk:Neithan Diniem 20:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


Did you notice the codex skills haven't been updated since Monday? O.o Magic User Magic Icon.jpg Talk 17:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Probably because there's not enough interest/time available for anyone to do so. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 17:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
If it bothers you, you should feel free to update them. - Tanetris 18:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
No, it just I was out of town during the week abd had done the skill sets for days before. Was just curious that that hadn't been changed. Magic User Magic Icon.jpg Talk 19:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
It's quite a bitch to update. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 20:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not quite a bitch to update, it takes me 20 minutes. I just get tired of being the only one on the wiki that gives a shit about it.-- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 20:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm very lazy, but me and my bunch of Codex friends really appreciate the work <3 ---Chaos- (moo) -- 22:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Little help: makinga scroll box

A little while ago, and by little I mean... ohhh... I don't know... 1 year ago, I saw a user page that had a scroll box on it. It was pretty. I was wondering if you knew how to make one of those babies. I needz it. Just one more. The shaking? Don't worry about that... I needz it... just one more... one more. ~~ 21:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

<div style="width: AAApx; height: BBBpx; overflow-y: scroll;">CONTENTS</div> - replace AAA and BBB with the dimensions you want, and CONTENTS with what you want in the box. Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
^^ -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 21:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah, that's the good stuff ... /trails off into silence... I LIKE CHEESE ^_^ Awesomeness, thanks ^_^ ~~ 21:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Dearest Wyn

If you're going to troll, do it right. Also, I sincerely wish you'll get over yourself some day. I used to have a great bit of respect for you, but that's quickly turned into an utter distaste - which is surprising considering that it generally goes the opposite way.

Perhaps someday you'll realize why exactly I'm saying these things. In the meantime, if you're curious, my MSN is - I'm generally available for chat or discussion and I have no problem being genial with anyone, regardless of previous encounters.

Also, I'm not trolling, I'm being completely serious. ··· Danny Pew Pew 23:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm obviously not trolling either, but having Dannydanny on my MSN even now, I'll promise you you'll get some damn interesting discussions with him <3 ---Chaos- (moo) -- 23:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


I have a question, and from what I hear you are the most knowledgeable person on this wiki; How do I shot web? PimpStronghand 23:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Care to elaborate, I don't quite understand what you mean by "shot web". Is this something related to coding? ---Chaos- (moo) -- 23:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I r Dumshit and idunno how to maek anyting on dis hear websyt but da "How do I shot web" started frum "The Lazor Collection" wen doctur octagonapus appeers. k i r dun PimpStronghand 23:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Try Help:Images -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 23:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

One week block

A one week block when you already know that I have dynamic IP is kind of extreme, no? 01:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd be glad to extend it if you'd like to continue evading blocks through such means? Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, please extend the block referenced above on the IP address that I am no longer using. 03:11, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
One week on a proxy IP address is nothing. I am really curious as to why you continue to even bother when you know you really aren't hurting anything here since you are reverted in seconds. It seems like a monumental waste of time for zero gain. It's not even really pissing us off. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 01:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I honestly forget why I starting doing it to the Signet of Spirits page, but, at this point, I'm just doing it because it's fun. 03:11, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
That was a good choice of page, because a lot of well-meaning people fought over that trivia for ages and ages, even after it was confirmed. Thus, "assume good faith" held out a little longer than it would have. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 03:18, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Wyn, I just reread your comment and noticed that you said proxy IP. It's not a proxy. In fact, it's conceivable that the address could have been re-assigned already, so you might just be blocking a legitimate anon user right now. I couldn't even get back to that IP if I wanted to. 04:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

And that's fine. They can just go without editing for a week, I'm not too bothered by it. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 04:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


Just wanted to say thanks for the heads up and all that. I haven't been on the wiki in a long while (mainly due to school) and I forgot to keep things fresh. Thanks again, see you around. Erenath Endbringer 04:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: localisation

I have made no attempts to alter any article so that I have changed any content from AmE to BrE. Rather I am putting in redirects to help our British-friendly users. As with redirects the change only has to be made once, and then it can be set in stone. I know at least one person if not more that is grateful for the time I've spent on this wiki to make it more British-friendly. Why don't you go after all the other people who tried to make the wiki redirects in British English? I'm being singled out because I found many spelling variances that would benefit and not inconvenience those that are British and have variations on spelling?

rawrUser rawr Sig Image.png 07:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S.>>On your note about adding sections-- I have no idea how to do that, if you want to fix it, be my guest, I had a friend of my create the skeleton for my page so, if you want to edit it, feel free --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Rawr (talk).

You got singled out because you are spamming the RC. By having your tabs on your talk page you are disallowing people to edit specific sections of your talk page, rather they have to edit the entire page. The easiest fix is to remove the tabs. Either that, or create a second set that doesn't contain the __NOEDITSECTION__ tag in it. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 07:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
P.S. you aren't being singled out. She found your talk page because you made about a billion new pages in a short time.
On a side note, I agree with you - the page Wyn linked had consensus about article names, but not redirects. I see no harm in them, especially given the large brit playerbase, and considering this is the English wiki (a language spoken equally by both countries). It's not like the redirects are russian or something (although I think we have a few of those floating around, too...) -Auron 07:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Wyn, there's already a precedent for creating redirects for British English spelling. Variant spelling redirects states "This is mainly to address the slight differences between British and American English." I see no harm in him continuing the project.--Pyron Sy 08:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Well like I mentioned earlier, the changes only have to be made once, and then they can be set in stone. If you want me to limit the number of changes per hour, fine, but the sooner the changes are made the sooner I don't have to bother with them, but I don't see any harm in making the wiki friendly to both American and British/Canadian/Australian users by adding redirects. rawrUser rawr Sig Image.png 08:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Then request they be done by User:Wikichu on GWW:BOTS. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 08:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
You can't just put him on your RC ignore until he's done? -Auron 08:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Agreed with Auron, this seems like something that should be tolerable in the short term. Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 08:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Um, pardon me, but why is it harmful for a human to do so? If you don't like seeing my name on RC then maybe you should propose it be done. Anyway, if spamming RC really bothers you then remove my name from there. I can finish all the armours in an hour or two tops rawrUser rawr Sig Image.png 08:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Fine, I overreacted RC spam does that to me at times. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 08:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Request has been made on GWW:BOTS for the redirects. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 08:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


-quote- Stop adding nonrelevant comments to update pages. This is NOT the skill update, so there is no reason to even MENTION Shadow form. If you have a suggestion on what you'd like to see happen to SF, go to Feedback:Getting started read the rules, and instructions and create a feedback area where you can post your suggestions for the Live Team's consideration. -- Wyn talk 01:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC) someone said it 1st i was commenting on him..~Nelson (n122333) 19px -unquote-

You created a blank page, just to ask what it is. That is NOT how it's done. The page should be created once the update notes are available, OR someone KNOWS what changes were made. The fact that everyone is waiting for the SF nerf means it's going to do nothing but attract vandals. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 01:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Why'd you revert my archive? →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 07:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Huh wut? -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 08:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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Rofl, I honestly have no clue. In fact, I don't even remember doing it.... I may have mistakenly clicked the rollback link on the RC and not even realized it. My mouse has seizures sometimes. Sorry! Merry Xmas!-- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 08:10, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh well, lol :) Merry Money Blowout Day to you too ;D--/u/nendingfear 19x19px 08:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Lol, I love you Wyn. Merry christmas. →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 17:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Quick Note

Wyn, hope you don't mind, I left [GOD] as I will be less active in the coming weeks and prefer to be guildless. Hope you don't mind. :) --DAVA 10:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

It's fine Striker. You are welcome to come back anytime you wish :D -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 10:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Guildpage deletion

Why did you delete the guildpage Guild:Guardians_of_the_Phoenix_Dragon? I see no reason for it because it fitted all the policies and rules? --Devuna 15:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

It's here Guild:Guardians Of The Phoenix Dragon, the other one was deleted for improper capitalization. User De Kooning sig.png... de Kooning 15:59, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
De Kooning, I REALLY wish you would let me answer my own talk page since the question was asked of ME, not you. Guild pages need to be named EXACTLY as the guild is in game for the F10 menu link to work. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 16:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Devuna, had you checked your own contributions you would have seen the guild page. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 16:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
=\ User De Kooning sig.png... de Kooning 16:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Ahh oke, thanks for the help :) --Devuna 16:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

^ -- My Talk Lacky 22:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!MystiLefemEle 04:08, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
^ →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 04:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Have a happy and a merry!  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:10, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Merry Christmas/Wintersday!! Taros 18:39, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


? - Mini Me talk 10:52, 25 December 2009

While TA doesn't exist any longer, there are still guilds (mostly historical) that are in that category. The only real reason for deleting a category is if it is unused, which this isn't. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 10:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
I figured we could just remove the guilds from that category, but ok. - Mini Me talk 10:55, 25 December 2009
The fact that TA has been removed doesn't change the fact that those guilds (again, especially the historical ones) participated in it. I mean, we haven't removed the Team Arena page, just because it's been removed from the game, we have marked it as historical content. The same principle is in effect here. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 11:11, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


you might not be aware of it, but you helped me (at least indirectly) with my design change on the talk page (which was by the way the actual reason which kept me from changing it for so long). since i knew you're also using a structure around your talk page i let myself have a look at it and figured out you're primarily using simple open tables instead of div tags (which as i noticed for some reason are not equally broad when set to 100%) therefore my current design output for the talkpage is a lot simpler than it was intended to be, but nontheless i have one without notable coding errors for now. since i at least would have needed to find another user with such a talk page design, i wanted to thank you at this point :D
oh, and while we're at it - merry belated x-mas ;) —ZerphatalkThe Improver 03:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

User Talk Page Design

Hey Wyn. I'm not 100% if I should be asking you, or someone else this, but I was just wondering if you would be able to do the following for me please? See how on my user page it has the dark blue surrounding the light blue? And on my talk page it has the light blue? Well I was wondering if you could please edit it so that the dark blue was surrounding the light blue on my talk page, and also then, under what is currently there, add another light blue bit where all the talk page discussion goes, and still have the dark blue surrounding that please. Let me know if any of that doesn't make sense and I will try to rephrase it. Thanks. -- My Talk Chris Malone 05:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, of course I could the question is, do I want to? :P -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 06:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for what you have done so far. It looks great! One question though, is it possible to start the dark blue background part at the "Click here to leave a new message at the bottom of the page" part? -- My Talk Chris Malone 09:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Sure, you can do whatever you want, though I have a better idea, take all the anet wannabe crap off, and leave the blue around all of your little boxes. Also, remove the link to the temp talk page, since you have no need for a temp archive. Oh, and PICK WHAT USERNAME YOU WANT TO USE AND MERGE THE OTHER! -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Sweet, glad to know that I can. -- My Talk Chris Malone 09:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


What are you talking about? What can't I do? All I stated was that the e-mail address had been removed. I did not remove it, another user did. Yes, I know that users who view the history can still access the e-mail address. I did not at any point say that you aren't supposed to/allowed to post that the e-mail was posted, so stop assuming that I did. And I don't think that I made anything "worse". -- My Talk Lacky 08:56, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, WHY did you feel it was necessary to comment? When I saw your comment, I assumed you had removed the email address, (which imo would be the ONLY reason you should feel it necessary to comment there), which once I got there I found was not the case. The simple fact is, you had no need to comment on the noticeboard on this topic for any reason at all. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:03, 26 December 2009 (UTC) you're saying I should just leave things? I should just leave vandalism? I should just leave things that are somewhere where they shouldn't be? No, I won't. That isn't proper etiquette. Fix the things you can, and notify someone who can if you can't. I stated that it had been removed because it had been, and because then you wouldn't have to see whether or not it was. I was doing you a favour, you should be grateful. -- My Talk Lacky 09:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
"Lacky, you can NOT do this unless you are an ADMIN, thus it gets posted on the ADMIN NOTICEBOARD, and you just make it worse when you try. -- Wyn talk 07:04, 26 December 2009 (UTC)" Bold would have worked much better. While users are not allowed to post on the AN replies like that aren't either. --Dominator Matrix 09:10, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Lacky, there was no vandalism to fix, there was no need for you to notify anyone, since it had already been posted on the noticeboard, plain and simple, there was no need for you to comment on the noticeboard at all. And Dom... why are you even bothering? I'd be happy to change my caps to bolds if it would make you happy, but just what do you mean, replies like that aren't allowed? I don't see that in the admin handbook anywhere..... -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Well I will reply once to not throw this off topic. You went after Lacky in a very rude manner and I thought I should express how left sided that was. --Dominator Matrix 09:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) x2. There's no where to say you can't Dom, but whatever...I wasn't saying there was Wyn, I was talking about other future cases. There's no need to do anything really. There's not even a real need to have this wiki if you want to get technical about it. There may have not been a need, however I still was notifying people/the admins. None of this matters anyway. Seems like no one gives a shit about other people around here unless your are a Sysop or BCrat, so I am just going to be the bigger person, drop it, and walk away from it. Well, that's my problem solved, how about you? -- My Talk Lacky 09:21, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually the 5th line says: Before posting an issue here, consider the following:
As this is a noticeboard and not a talk page, please refrain from discussing. --Dominator Matrix 09:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
LOL! That's funny!!! You do something idiotic, and yet you're gonna be gracious and just drop it. Good for you. I said absolutely nothing about future cases, I'm talking about THIS specific incident of an email address being posted on a help page, and the request for removal of the edit by an admin. There was ZERO (bold for Dom's sensibilities) reason for you to post there. The admins had already been notified. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Just going back on something previously that I said to point out some things. 1. Dom, I knew someone would bring that up, my response is, it says Consider, not, You must adhere. 2. I wouldn't call it idiotic, and I would be careful if I were you saying that, some people (not including me because I know you love me =P) could almost classify that is a PA. 3. I was talking about this specific incident with relation to future ones. You said that I shouldn't have pointed things like that out, so in future reference, I was talking about everything else. Have a nice day. ^_^ -- My Talk Lacky 09:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
"Have a nice day. ^_^" is more of a personal attack than calling an action idiotic, because it is commenting on the person rather than the action. Just saying. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 09:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Not at all, I was talking about your action not you as a person. Now if I were to say.... Lacky, you're an idiot that would be a violation of GWW:NPA saying you did something idiotic is not. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:37, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
@Vili: Finally, something else to talk about. Really? You think so? I mean, it's wishing someone (or people) well, and it isn't directed at a particular person, in fact I was talking to everyone in above said discussion. @Wyn: Wouldn't calling something I did idiotic thus in turn constitute as calling me an idiot for doing so? -- My Talk Lacky 09:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Nope, that's the fine line that is GWW:NPA you can comment on people's actions/ideas, as long as you don't comment on the person themselves. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:44, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Wyn, strongly consider taking a break from the wiki for a day. Lacky has done nothing wrong and you're being awfully defensive. —Tanaric 09:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, change "defensive" to "aggressive." You have turned a non-issue into an issue, which is the opposite of what sysops should be doing. —Tanaric 09:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
LOL! You so mistake me Tanaric. This isn't an issue, this is a conversation. Besides, I was gone from the wiki most all of the day. This is now the night... -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 09:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
If I've missed some hidden subtext that one more familiar with the two of you would know, I apologize. That said, I'd be interested in hearing Lacky's perspective on this, since from an outsider's perspective it seems like you're bullying a user because he's not a sysop. In any case, even if you two have a history that makes this interaction allowable, posting that non-sysops shouldn't notify sysops of situations requiring sysop intervention on a public noticeboard (not on Talk:, even) seems a bad message to send. —Tanaric 10:03, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
What would you like to know from me Tanaric? -- My Talk Lacky 10:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Have I missed a personal connection between you two that would mitigate her yelling at you on a public sysop noticeboard? Or, to use Wyn's phrasing, is this an issue or a conversation? :) I perhaps should not have said anything, but it seemed out of character for Wyn to be so abrupt to somebody with good intentions. —Tanaric 10:10, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
To my knowledge (unless Wyn thinks otherwise(if so, please state)), there is no connection that would. At first, I would call this a discussion because I was unclear on a particular issue/matter and so was asking a question, which then lead to other events which were not related to the original question. They could be issues in my opinion, however, I am not entirely sure. I do not mind if you intervene, in fact, I am kind of glad. My intentions were good, even if they were not executed to other people's liking. After all, this is a wiki, which is to help others. -- My Talk Lacky 10:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I am generally familiar with the wiki's operation, but I have been away for some time, and thus am a little shaky on the interpersonal aspects that are surprisingly important. In any case, given your response, I have accurately expressed my feelings on this matter already, above. —Tanaric 10:33, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Tan, the issue in question was already posted on the noticeboard by another user a mere 18 minutes prior to Lacky's post. Given that it's a holiday, not many of the admins are around, 18 minutes elapsed before I saw it (I was actually fixing his other talk page as he requested above). Seeing Lacky's post, I wrongly assumed that he had "removed" the email address in question, since in my opinion, that would be the only reason for him to post that it had been removed. I was only trying to point out to him that only an admin can effectively "remove" an email address, and that there was no reason for him to post on that particular topic since it had already been posted. I was not then, nor am I now trying to tell him to not post on the noticeboard if he sees an issue that requires administrative action if it hasn't already been done. Lacky has been around here long enough to understand how the noticeboard works. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 10:36, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for that response Wyn. My actions were in good faith, however I now see where you are coming from. -- My Talk Lacky 10:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I understand and appreciate your message about how only non-admins can alter article history to protect the innocent. Nevertheless, even if he had been the one removing the email address, certainly that would be preferable (especially because, as you note, very few sysops are currently online) than leaving it there to be harvested by spambots and trolled by malicious users until a sysop gets around to fixing the history? It's not measurably more difficult to delete three revisions than it is to delete two.
The fact that his note did not help you solve the issue did not make it worth alienating him, and more importantly, all the other potential contributors who read your note, by chastising him "in public" on a live utility page. He caused no harm with his message. You did.
Put another way, if I had posted that I had removed the email from the article in question, would you have responded to me in the same hostile fashion? I strongly believe you would not have, and I have also certainly been around here long enough to understand the noticeboard. I would not have interfered if you had messaged your concerns in a more tactful way, even though I generally disagree with those concerns. This seemed to be more about the user than the action, which is why I took offense.
Anyway, I've taken up enough of your time with this, and have no intention of making it bigger than it is. Thanks for bearing with me as I reassert myself by undermining sysops and friends. :)
Tanaric 10:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I do hear what you are saying Tan, I just don't happen to subscribe to your methods, no disrespect intended. And yes, the fact that I was already irritated with him over another issue most likely clouded my response, but at the same time, as you say, you've been gone awhile and may not realize the issues there have been with abuse/misuse of the noticeboard. The fact that the issue had not only been posted by another user, but the email had also been removed by another user gave Lacky absolutely no reason to post on the noticeboard on that topic in the first place. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 11:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) No disrespect intended on either side, no worries about that. And, in the end, we'll have to agree to disagree. However, it turns out I am working on outdated information -- or rather, the disadvantage of never knowing you as a sysop and just being fond of you as a person and an editor. I'm reading your July 12 sysop reconfirmation and it appears that the concerns I'm expressing now have been expressed previously by a significant cross-section of the userbase. In the end, that reconfirmation passed, so I'll leave this issue behind. I'm certainly not about to request another reconfirmation over one case of perceived rudeness. :)

Also, just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with you avoiding my methods. I just took a 20-month break from them due to the stress they caused, so I can understand your aversion. —Tanaric 11:15, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Just to be completely clear, I brought up the reconfirmation in the previous paragraph to express precisely one thing: that I'm unfamiliar with the current wiki environment and I shouldn't jump on a friend for something minor that the community has already addressed. I _did not_ intend to imply anything about reconfirming Wyn, nor did I intend to imply that this minor conversation that I jumped in on was anywhere even close to that level. I feel stupid even bringing it up now, as I could have expressed what I intended without the myriad negative connotations I brought along unintentionally. Sorry Wyn! —Tanaric 11:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
It's always been ok to post something that furthers the knowledge of admins for a particular case, whether that poster is directly involved or not. It is not ok to respond to such a post by 'shouting' at or whipping in line the poster, or by seeing the post as made in bad faith. Tanaric told you to take a break for a day or so, which was a commendable idea. However, since you responded with a "LOL", more aggression, and a lack of willingness to do so, I can't help but put a block for that amount of time. I think I've hesitated giving you a forced break for too long as it is (even after direct personal attacks), but I've decided that, since you're continuing to behave in this aggressive manner in a very un-sysoply way, I can't put it off much longer.
To go off on a tangent and address Dom's issue, capitalisation appears to those reading it as shouting rather than simple stressed emphasis. Bolding suits the purpose more for what you're trying to say. -- pling User Pling sig.png 16:20, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Pling this issue had rectified itself by the time you put a ban on Wyn. Lacky, Wyn and Tan were all seeing eye to eye by midday from this discussion and even though this none issue shouldn't have got the attention it did, sometimes on the wiki misunderstandings grow and need rectified, which as I said had already been done. Further to this point, Wyn hasn't really breached any of our policies. To be honest Pling I think you've stepped far over the mark in this instance and probably just created alot more drama than needed. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 16:36, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree the link to "direct personal attacks" doesnt show a single violation of NPA. This may be exactly what Salome said and more. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 16:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I think Pling over stepped his boundaries. This was just a discussion, not drama. If it was drama, you'd seen more involved. I don't think this was a right course of action and that a 'misjudgement' had occurred not 'knowing' before 'judging'. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 20:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:O you banned Wyn? That's just so evil. Reaper of Scythes** User Reaper of Scythes Juggernaut1.png 23:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with pling's block. This does not appear to be a punitive "Wyn, you messed up, so we're taking away your toy" kind of a thing. This is a "Wyn, take some time off and gather yourself so you don't go crazy" block, which is a sorely underused tool IMHO. I wish people had done more of those to me. Unfortunately, the punitive block is far more common, so I expect a lot of misunderstanding about this issue. Please, everyone remember that there is no call for Wyn's reconfirmation and no drama of any kind here, unless you choose to create it. Tomorrow -- or however long it takes Wyn to calm down after this -- she can return and contribute like she always has. —Tanaric 01:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Tan I don't agree. I personally don't see how a block 4 hours after an issue has stopped being discussed can in anyway be considered a time off kind of block. It would make at least a modicum of sense if an issue was ongoing, however it had ended by the time the block was imposed, so it does seem punitive in nature to me personally. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 01:33, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Although I can see why Pling blocked Wyn, and despite the fact that I was the one who was mainly on the opposite end of Wyn's stick, I do not want to see Wyn get banned. Also, personally, I think to say Pling over stepped his boundaries is also wrong. He is just trying to stop this/break it up. Salome is correct however (in my opinion) that we were starting to see eye-to-eye. I just hope this gets resolved quickly and as soon as possible. I have had a number of e-mails from users who are still asking me/doing the same thing Wyn did/asked. Salome, as for your reply just above me here, that would probably be because I logged off. -- My Talk Lacky 01:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I didn't bother reading the wall of text above because it's very late here, but did all of this drama seriously start from adding something helpful to an issue on the AN? Spirit of policy > literal interpretation, to be honest. Following policies all too strictly just leads to retardation, really, but following them all too loosely does too. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 01:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Lacky said "it's fixed". I said "nope, it's not". Wyn said "can't do, Lacky"... but failed on his usage of words, so instead of reading it as "you are not able to perform such task with your given tools, so don't say it is fixed when it still requires admin intervention", she said it on a way it sounded like "You fail at wiki. Also, you suck".
All this drama is not even a matter of wiki-lawyering, just a matter of people reading too fast for their own sakes... All of the implied parts are at fault, really.--Fighterdoken 01:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Please listen

I apologize for doing this while you are blocked and cannot respond. I am worried that your judgment may become clouded by your emotions. We should in no way expect somebody to change the way they discuss stuff, and we should not block people for being in a heated discussion. You have every right to get upset about stuff but instead of immediately responding with anger take a step back and analyze the situation and think of what you want to say. I don’t want to see you lose your sysop tools nor do I want to see you leave the wiki. Just give your anger time to abate before you respond and the situation possibly escalates. You have been becoming more and more aggressive and it is reflecting in the way others respond to you. You are extremely nice and you put up with my shit. That is why I am asking you to do this. Don’t post in anger it only leads down a path that is harmful to the wiki. Your feelings shouldn’t guide you and it looks like that is exactly where you are headed. Please heed my advice and come back without the anger that has been showing so much lately. Please. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 23:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

It's called being objective, but just saying that doesn't get the point across, thus one has to write walls of texts like this. Can't GWW admins unban themselves? ---Chaos- (moo) -- 01:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so. I am not sure but I think if you are banned you aren't even able to login, or if you are, you can't do any actions, editing or sysoping wise. -- My Talk Lacky 01:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I run a modest-sized MediaWiki. Users can log in while banned, and sysops/bureaucrats can unblock themselves while banned. It would be nice if you didn't start another wall of drama on this page; I imagine Wyn would appreciate it if you at least waited until she returned. –Jette 01:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Banned users can watchlist too, she's probably reading this right at thos moment, unless she went to do something smarter. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 01:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Banned users can do everything normally, but if they hit edit, they can only "View Source" of the page. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 01:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

^, except for the part about not wanting you to lose your sysop tools. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 05:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


Spoiler alert: The following text contains spoilers relating to the story of Wyn.

I have something to tell you! →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 05:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I want to be your best man at the wedding. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş User Grinshpon blinky cake.gif 06:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Shit, I just spoiled the surprise. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş User Grinshpon blinky cake.gif 06:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
OMFG, HALO IS GETTING MARRIED? WTF??????--/u/nendingfear 19x19px 06:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Halogod's marrying wyn didn't u hear? --adrin User Adrin mysig.jpg 06:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Epic. --Boro 10px‎ 08:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Firefox would be jealous, but hmm who would be bridesmaid? -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 09:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Not funny, guys. At all. Fail more. Now how about leaving Wyn's talk page alone while she's gone? - Reanimated X 09:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

No, I had important news. →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 10:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Reanimated 0/10 --adrin User Adrin mysig.jpg 20:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
^ confusion at above statement 10/10--/u/nendingfear 19x19px 20:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
No we are getting Married, but that's not what I came here for. →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 20:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Although you may not care at the moment (under bad timing and crap), but Unendingfear's sig is messed up. I figured out what it means. >.< →[ »Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png (talk ]← 05:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
???--/u/nendingfear 19x19px 07:30, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Yuri on 4chan User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 07:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh that, rofl--/u/nendingfear 19x19px 08:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


- Mini Me talk 18:58, 27 December 2009

Not 100% sure but arent you supposed to sign that Mini? User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 19:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Imo, just RfR her, and leave it at that. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 19:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
@Drogo: I don't know, and I don't really care either. You can put an {{unsigned}} behind it if it's necessary.
@Chaos: That has been done before, it didn't help. Seeing how RfA's (and RfR's) are popularity contests, it would not help this time either (desysopping her nor getting the message across). - Mini Me talk 19:12, 27 December 2009
@Mini Me I wasnt sure about signing. I just noticed that Salome did it yesterday but I was talking to Pling and he said it is not required. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 19:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) It was done this summer, seemingly for the reason that she's been a sysop for a longer time. And yeah, let's sysop me because I'm kind and everyone loves me. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 19:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree to that Arbcomm. I think you have gone too far Mini Me. The Discussion was Over before Pling interveined , when it wasn't needed and she had listened to Tanaric. This is not something that's 'bad' enough for them as it was 'dealt with'. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 20:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Learn to read, Ariyen, this is not about this single issue. poke | talk 20:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Or maybe we could all just chill out abit? -- Salome User salome sig2.png 20:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
That's what we were hoping Wyn would do over the past six months. Alas, she did not. Belar 20:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Salome, you started an arbcomm just yesterday, even if you retracted it in light of a RfC. :/ – Emmett 21:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
We already have an rfc on her. We don't need an Arbcom, too. That's why I'm saying it's too far and ridiculous. Btw, i can read Poke, can you? Is it really necessary to have both? Nope, one at a time would seem more plausible, but not both at the same time. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 21:09, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
The RfR has not begun, and with 2 votes as vague as the current ones I don't expect it to go to an actual RfR soon. - Mini Me talk 21:12, 27 December 2009
(Edit conflict) There is no current reconfirmation being held for Wyn. It would require 10+ more people to sign on her RfRs for such a thing to be triggered, considering how recent her last one was. We are only having one at a time. —Tanaric 21:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Then the pending one should be removed, due to lack of requests for it. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 21:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no 'pending' one. I would advise that you follow poke's suggestion before posting again. Belar 21:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) @ Emmett, That's because I believed an arbcomm was the correct way forward and I still do. Clarification of stance and guidelines were what were needed in this instance, not for that to be muddled into a debate on if pling should remain a sysop. I personally don't think an RFR should be the first recourse if people are unhappy with 1 event or 1 group of events, as seen in Gordon's case however that seems to be the way of the wiki at the moment. I still don't think the RFR is the correct way to be going about this, but in the hopes of not forming a witch hunt with trying to push both an RFR and an arbcomm at the same time, I dropped the request for an arbcomm. As said on the RFR talk page, I supported the RFR because I could do nothing to prevent it and at least it would garner discussion upon an event which I think merited it. I hope this helps clarify my position to you Emmett. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 21:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

If you believe Pling's fanclub/etc is preventing an appropriate reconsideration of his sysop status, I see no problem with pursing an ArbComm intervention at this time. However, considering the situation, I suspect that ArbComm would decline your case. You might have better luck (and more support) simply requesting a bureaucrat injunction against Pling sysopping involving Wyn (and vice-versa). —Tanaric 21:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Uh, huh. Then what's this, Belar -> Recent reconfirmation requests

Sysops who have had a reconfirmation request in the last seven days should have their most recent RfA on this list. These are reconfirmation requests, not active RfAs -- please do not vote Support or Oppose. If you also wish for the sysop in question to be reconfirmed, add your name to the "Requests for Reconfirmation" block at the bottom. Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for adminship/Wynthyst See, I'm saying that doesn't need to be there. If we have an Arbcomm active. Look, before you speak, Belar. -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 21:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

"Sysops who have had a reconfirmation request in the last seven days should have their most recent RfA on this list."
Wyn has had 5 4 2 reconfirmation requests in the last seven days, thus, her RfA is on the list. This does not mean she is currently being reconfirmed.
Tanaric 22:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
@Tan it is not that I think Pling's actions deserve him being removed as a sysop or that the arbcomm would in anyway consider that an adequate outcome, it is much more that I simply wanted to clarify an issue which is extremely contentious and one which has the admin team and parts of the community divided without a hope for a middle ground being found between the two. In general I think RFR's are somewhat pointless unless the Sysop in question is clearly abusing their powers repeatedly, as ultimately everyone makes an occasional mistake and it does not need to be the end of an admins tenure. This is why I felt an arbcomm would be preferable as it would give guidance to the admin team and the admins involved but in a public forum which the wider community could follow as well, thus giving clarity and direction to us as a community. I certainly don't think that the discussion of if it was right to ban Wyn in this instance, should be intrinsically linked to a consideration of if Pling should keep his admin status, as I think it's an extreme over reaction. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 22:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
So why did you oppose him? It would be better to vote neutral in this case in my opinion. - Mini Me talk 22:39, 27 December 2009
I opposed after about an hour of thought, between weighing neutral and oppose. I personally feel that Pling is a good sysop in many ways and I do believe that stripping someone of admin powers for a simple mistake is a bad idea, however when considering if his recent behavior is something I am completely comfortable with in a sysop, I do have to answer No. My oppose vote in this instance is as a dissenting voice to make my concerns about his recent behavior heard, although their is 0 chance of the vote going any other way than him being reconfirmed. However it should be noted that Pling's recent actions continue to fracture the sysop team, with the request's to recon Gordon for a mistake in approach to an issue, the request to recon Wyn due to a dislike of her admin style, and when that didnt work, this most recent ban of Wyn. All it does is continue to fracture the unity of the sysop team, which is essential to get stuff done. I am not saying that being a sysop should mean that one is above reproach, but instead that one should not be proactively going after your colleagues for minor none issues. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 23:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
All right, I see where you are coming from. I'm not going to go into an argument with you about this as we both know neither of us can convince the other. - Mini Me talk 23:09, 27 December 2009
I am still confus why we are blaming solely Pling when a number of sysops have displayed support for his actions. – Emmett 23:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't follow you, Emmett. Please elaborate. WhyUser talk:Why 19:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Myself, Auron, Poke, Tanaric (not technically an admin but that's only because he resigned) have all displayed support for Pling's actions, but Pling is the only one undergoing a RfR. Even though we didn't actually do the blocking, those people who disagree are only after Pling's blood and not ours, and I'm not really clear on why this is. – Emmett 19:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Funny to see how Wyn's work on the Arena Net staff's talk pages appears to be rubbing on her own. Why is there a long wall of text of users talking among themselves, and not to Wyn, on her talk page? Erasculio 20:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Because that's the way wiki talk pages have worked for years, and will and should continue to do so, so long as the discussion is still constructive. -- pling User Pling sig.png 20:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
So you mean Emmet and the others couldn't, you know, use their own talk pages to talk to each other, as opposed to using Wynthyst's talk page to do so, out of tradition? Erasculio 20:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
"and the others" - so, for example, you? Why do you still post here? - Spreading topics over the whole wiki is just bad... poke | talk 20:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Poke, grown up. Wynthyst has often posted on Regina and Linsey's talk pages asking users to move discussions among themselves, and not with the owner of the respective talk page. Are you now going to question that, to say that those conversations should be left there and that Wynthyst should not have asked those users to move those discussions? While you have never even bothered to do that work, I would be extremely amused if you tried to defend that point of view (as I'm amused to see how suddenly "their own talk pages" became "the whole wiki"). Erasculio 21:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
This situation is not even remotely related. Wyn is not an ANet employee whose page frequently reaches sizes large enough that it has to be protected to stop breaking browsers. This conversation is totally relevant to the page it is located on, unlike so much of the feedback that Linsey/Regina/etc get, and so please stop suggesting that we fragment a conversation across even more pages than it's already on. Furthermore, I fail to see how whether or not Poke has moved topics from devs' pages is even remotely related. We know Wyn does a lot for the wiki- stop bringing it up. – Emmett 21:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
The fanboi train. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 21:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
(EC) Yet Wynthyst is an user whose talk page should be used to talk to her, not about her, considering how doing so is just fragmentating a discussion (or have you missed how the title of this section happens to be a link to somewhere else?).
Also, the point isn't how Wyn does a lot for the wiki - rather how she's the only one who does some things, not because she's better than the others (as the fanboys mentioned by Chaos would want you to believe) or worse (as Chaos would want you to believe), but rather because so many of the other sysops are too lazy to do that kind of thing, just like Wynthyst is too lazy to do other kinds of things. Erasculio 21:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
If Wyn wishes this conversation stopped here, she is within her rights to request it. It is nobody else's battle but her's. —Tanaric 21:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
The fact she has not joined this discussion and stated she won't make further comments about it, with a "so don't bother trying to get more" remark, makes it rather clear how this section is out of place, IMO. Erasculio 21:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
It remains her choice, not yours. —Tanaric 21:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
You guys are all failing at pointless stuff. We all disagree on things, and have our own opinions, whether it makes sense or not. I do wish this drama would just come to an end and realize that this has gone too far, further than it should have. Pling helps the wiki, Wyn helps the wiki, the whole discussion got out of hand (some how). It was a discussion, not a disruption. Wyn needed time off true, but if gone about a 'respectful' way. I could have seen this not 'escalade' as much as you all (including me) have escalated it to be. Let's just end this stuff so we all can get on with our lives and people can actually help instead of this bickering. It is childish. Mistakes were made, so? Does that give a right into making things a big ordeal? -- User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 21:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Ignoring the same stuff you've posted a million times, I want to state that merely "helping the wiki" is not enough. User:Karlos springs to mind immediately. —Tanaric 21:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Mission Table

Is it ok that I take and change your mission table for my own use? -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 11:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, I try something else, your table is still nice but a lot of work =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 13:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
To clarify: I dont understand the coding =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 20:44, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi there.

I was wondering if you could lend me some assistance. I'm trying to make something on my user space. I have some pages set up already, one with a Blade Radio Dj Gallery, what I'm trying to do with the User:Dj_Furyan/Blade_Dj_and_Staff is have the Dj Gallery page in the empty space there within a scroll box, if that's even possible, tried it with the example up the page more for a scroll bar, but I'm lost. Can you share some time to lead me a hand? Dj Furyan 10:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got it >:) RAWR! ^_^ Dj Furyan 10:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)