Talk:Skill tome

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Contents 1 stackable? 2 acquisition 3 Number of skills learned 4 Gallery 5 Drop research 6 Well read 7 move proposal 8 PvP editions 9 Gaining Exp 10 Second Proffession 11 General Picture for the article? 12 Titles 13 Probability 14 trade 15 Bug 16 Price 17 Secondary Prof.

[edit] stackable?

- Drago 19:45, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

God, I hope so. Then again I've only had 2 so far of different types :D --Snograt 20:09, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Yes they are stackable. Kyrasantae 04:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Confirmed. My second warrior tome for my Ranger/Warrior, which already has all skills... - MSorglos 16:01, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] acquisition

So what drops these things? Ii've been playing hard mode for a while haven't seen any so far. -- Gordon Ecker 04:10, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

I've gotten a couple of elite tomes from chests and bosses, while the regular ones drop from regular mobs (I think? my memory's sort of hazy on these). --Dirigible 04:26, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Yup; reg from regs - had a War, Derv and Mes so far --Snograt 04:54, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Do the ones from bosses and regular mobs correspond to the creature's profession? -- Gordon Ecker 05:30, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

All of the ones I've had dropped so far were from bosses/monsters of the corresponding profession - but this is only a total of 5 so isn't necessarily 100% accurate Fox (talk|contribs) 10:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

I think that Tomes only drop from a certain class for a certain tome, to explain, say the avatar of baltazar will only drop a dervish tome as it class is a dervish, can anyone varify this, or even agree?i know this is asked before but a study would be helpful and would make the tomes easier to aquire, eh? -- Finbarr

[edit] Number of skills learned

How many skills you can learn with one Tome? Only one, or all unlocked skills? And with an Elite? Shouldn't this be added in a way? — FHM TALKS 05:56, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

I think it's one skill per tome, but I'm not completely sure. I've altered the descriptions to reflect that assumption. -- Gordon Ecker 06:01, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

The item description when you mouse over them says "Uses remaining:1" and I haven't found anyone who has received a tome offering more than one use yet Fox (talk|contribs) 10:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

And they're not going to. It also says that about Pumpkin Pie and Ale unless they're stacked.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:67.172.5.190 .

[edit] Gallery

Shall we make a gallery on this page with each icon for each tome? Will look much better than adding them all to the infobox (unless Smurf or somebody does some heavy retouching). I could remove the inventory BG and dropshadow it, but I would rather let Smurf or someone do it since they probably have a standard on dropshadow positioning. I have an elite mesmer tome. If needed, I can upload a screenie. Image:Esig2.jpg Eldin 10:29, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

A gallery would be nice - guildwiki have beaten us to that one lol - but if someone can come up with evenly sized icons then it would be a good idea, yes Fox (talk|contribs) 10:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

As a matter of interest - are those of you using "recent" browsers seeing the icons with a transparent background? I'm stuck with IE6 (on NT4 :/) at the moment, and they have a black background which looks terrible. It gives the optical illusion that the whole image-box is skewed. --Snograt 13:51, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

You are correct, they are jpgs with black backgrounds, and they definitely do look skewed! We've been trying to use white backgrounds on GuildWiki. — kyrasantae 15:40, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Heh, silly me - if I'd bothered to actually look at the file type, I'd have known. PNGs is where it's at ^_^ --Snograt 15:53, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

I have added a table for the gallery, all we need now is the images :) --Lemming64 19:40, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Both .png and .gif can have transparent BGs, naturally .pngs are better quality. I don't know about the necro icon, but that icon in the infobox (the larger one) was stole-err, borroed, from the Hard Mode Facts Sheet. I'm about to upload the elite mesmer icon, BTW. (Yes it's transparent'd) Image:Esig2.jpg Eldin 19:56, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

The mesmer and ele non elite tome images seem to be of a different quality than the rest. --Lemming64 17:35, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

I haven't collected good pics of them yet, that's all. Let them drift in. — kyrasantae 12:02, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Drop research

Observed drops for Skill Tome

Mode	Type	Dropped by	Location	Signature
H		Skree Tracker	Vehjin Mines	MSorglos 15:39, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
H		Restless Dead	Jokanur Diggings	-- ab.er.rant 22:05, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
H		Stalking Nephila	Lahtenda Bog	Indecision 03:19, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
H	elite	Locked Chest	Mehtani Keys	MSorglos 16:31, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
H		Tusked Howler	Bahdok Caverns	Gordon Ecker 18:47, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
H	elite	Locked Chest	Witman's Folly	Heach 09:34, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
H		Grawl Crone	Witman's Folly	Heach 09:34, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
H	elite	Locked Chest	Tomb of the Primeval Kings	80.100.166.50 19:23, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
H		Bladed Termite	Zehlon Reach	Indecision 07:40, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Mantid Parasite	Saoshang_Trail	MSorglos 07:50, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Corsair Raider	Zehlon Reach	Indecision 07:57, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Corsair Raider	Zehlon Reach	Indecision 22:41, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Corsair Flogger	Lahtenda Bog	-- ab.er.rant 01:53, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Stoneflesh Mandragor	Lahtenda Bog	-- ab.er.rant 02:26, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
H	elite	Locked Chest	Tomb of the Primeval Kings	80.100.166.50 02:13, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Corsair Raider	Zehlon Reach	Indecision 08:47, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Awakened Defiler	The Sulfurous Wastes	--Bane of Worlds (talk • contribs) 10:49, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Awakened Cavalier	The Sulfurous Wastes	--Bane of Worlds (talk • contribs) 12:27, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Carven Effigy	The Sulfurous Wastes	Tedium 02:06, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Carven Effigy	The Sulfurous Wastes	Tedium 23:24, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
H	2x elite	Locked Chest	The Ruptured Heart	--Lemming64 19:18, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Hydra	Skyward Reach	Fox (talk|contribs) 07:53, 19 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Enchanted Sword	Skyward Reach	Fox (talk|contribs) 07:53, 19 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Awakened Defiler	The Sulfurous Wastes	Tedium 01:34, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
H		Luxon Assassin	Melandru's Hope	Gordon Ecker 06:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
H		Fungal Wallow	Melandru's Hope	Gordon Ecker 05:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
H		Corsair Bosun	Zehlon Reach	Indecision 10:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
H		Graven Monolith	The Sulfurous Wastes	Dashface 08:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
H	elite	Hajkor, Mystic Flame	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 09:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
H		Mandragor Terror	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 03:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
H		Whistling Thornbrush	The Mirror of Lyss	Gordon Ecker 03:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
H		Graven Monolith	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 07:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
H	(elite)	Tahmak the Arcane	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 10:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
H		Margonite Sorcerer	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 06:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
H		Awakened Acolyte	The Sulfurous Wastes	Tedium 03:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
H	(elite)	Locked Chest	The Sulfurous Wastes	Bigtimer14785 03:33, 10 August 2007 (EDT)
H	(elite)	Locked Chest	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 02:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
H	(elite)	Tanmahk the Arcane	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 05:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
H		Graven Monolith	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 05:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
H		Diamond Djinn	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 08:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
H		Mandragor Terror	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 07:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
H		Stormseed Jacaranda	Plains of Jarin	Tedium 09:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
H	(elite)	Hauseh the Defiler	The Sulfurous Wastes	Gordon Ecker 06:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
H		Jade Brotherhood Knight	Wajjun Bazaar	Troy Frostwind 01:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
H		Awakened Dune Carver	The Sulfurous Wastes	Tedium 21:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
H	(elite)	Locked Chest	The Sulfurous Wastes	Tedium 10:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
H		Sickened Guard	Minister Cho's Estate	«troy frostwind­» 19:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
H		Snowman	Secret Lair of the Snowmen	Tedium 02:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
H		Awakened Thought Leech	The Alkali Pan	Tedium 02:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
H		Am Fah Assassin	Wajjun Bazaar	Tedium 00:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
H		Margonite Bowmaster	The Sulfurous Wastes	--GreyGhost 04:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
H	(elite)	Locked Chest	The Sulfurous Wastes	--GreyGhost 04:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
H	elite	Locked Chest	North Kryta Province	--Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 17:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't really see the point in this, any monsters in hard mode has a chance to drop a skill tome, and any boss has a chance to drop an elite one. --Lemming64 17:34, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

It's information for information's sake. This can confirm what's already known and can confirm that drops are creature profession-dependent. It might even help identify the profession of some creatures whose profession is not known. If it the end it turns out to be pointless, then this can be summarised and discarded. -- ab.er.rant 22:05, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Also just looking at the above, but we may discover that skill tomes only drop from their corresponding professions NPCs (of course, if we have one conflicting report, that very preliminary theory goes out the window quickly), but its nice to be confirmed one way or the other :). --Indecision 22:21, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Yeh, they only drop their corresponding profession tome. — Skuld 04:02, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Though if a Paragon or Dervish one dropped in Tyria or Cantha, that would be interesting. -- Dashface 08:51, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Also of note, the Ranger Tome dropped by the Corsair Raider above was a secondary drop (the same Raider also dropped a Longbow). Not sure if this is normal drop behaviour for Tomes, has anyone else found them as additional drops? --Indecision 07:57, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Interesting... though I've never seen it in all my grand total of 4 skill tomes :D Could it have been two raiders who died at the same time? -- ab.er.rant 01:53, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

Definitely not, I was paying attention at the time, and there was no other raiders around :). I think I'm up to about 10 tomes or so, only one as an additional so far. --Indecision 03:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

I saw someone in the Tomb of the Primeval Kings picking up "2 Elite Mesmer Tomes" as a lockedchest drop. Can someone confirm that it is possible for them to drop in pairs? 80.100.166.50 03:08, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Confirmed, I just got 2 elite monk tomes from a locked chest together :D --Lemming64 19:17, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

As an addition, bone fiends in Cathedral of Flames drop ranger tomes, for those "creatures whose profession is not known". Darksong Knight 17:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Well read

Anyone else think that reading tomes should give you wisdom progress? -- Dashface 07:28, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Good idea! - BeX 08:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

They already give you Skill Hunter Progress though.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:67.172.5.190 .

[edit] move proposal

I suggest no, they are named Tomes in game if you read the text of one, I realise this is a generic name for 20 different items but I don't see why the move is needed in this case. --Lemming 16:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Move fits with GWW:NAMING because it's not a proper noun. - BeX 16:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

"Use the same name as the in-game "label" - the in game label states Tome not tome. --Lemming 16:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

That is directly under "Use the exact in-game spelling for proper nouns". - BeX 16:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PvP editions

If someone has the PvP edition of campaign X but not the regular version, can they use skill tomes to learn skills from that campaign? -- Gordon Ecker 10:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

You need to have the skill unlocked to get via a Tome Which means the skill is already avaible for evry PvP charr--Fox007 20:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gaining Exp

Would i gian Exp if its an elite tome? if so could i get to lvl 20 without a second proffesion? -81.77.127.154 21:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The gaining of experience by the capturing of an elite skill with a signet is made possible by the effects of the signet, not the capturing. So no, especially since you are not capturing the skill but merely learning it. The second question is extremely irrelevant, but I will answer it in that the purpose of not having a second profession is also extremely irrelevant. In Prophecies, you can get to level 20 through death leveling (See Defender of Ascalon) in Pre-Searing, but to leave you must complete the Path to Glory quest, which is preceded by the secondary profession quest. In Factions, the secondary prof quest is also a primary quest, and makes your goal even more unreachable based on the fact that you cannot progress to the higher level areas before going further in the storyline. In Nightfall, the impossibility of this is between the other campaigns, as death leveling is possible, but you will not be able to do any missions beyond the very first. I hope that helps, or rather hinders, your plans to be marked as a noob in your choices. But then again, this is so verbose you probably won't read it. Chaiyo Kaldor 17:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Second Proffession

Would a creature with 2 proffession like a W/E Charr Bladestorm als drop a warrior tome and a elementalist tome --Fox007 20:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General Picture for the article?

I found this in gw.dat. Looks slightly diffrent then other tomes. Does anyone know what this could be? Or if there is a pic for a "common" tome? —ZerphaThe Improver 14:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

On guild wiki they use two generic images for the tomes that were on the gw.com website when tomes were first introduced. I think a generic picture like those or this one is misleading as there is no item that uses that image in the game. So it would purely be for aesthetic purposes. --Lemming 18:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Titles

Will using an elite tome to learn a skill bugger my Elite (whatever) Skill Hunter track?--Glenforder 04:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, if you have a lot of money it makes it a darn sight easier. --Snograt 06:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The day I bought NF, unlocked WotSin and then got it with an elite assa tome, i got 1 point towards elonian skill hunter. Ninjas In The Sky 09:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Probability

What is the probability that a boss drop an elite tome? Is somehow variable?82.58.195.177 21:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

are these tomes tradable

[edit] trade

can these tomes be freely traded to players even in normal mode?

Of course. Calor 20:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bug

i experienced an odd bug today, where the trading session was cancelled when trying to trade an elite warrior tome for 5k. Didn't work until i put a bolt of cloth in the first slot, and he traded me a piece of cloth and an unidentified blue spear as well as the money. I didn't think to test it further, can anyone else test this? it was between a W/E and a Me/Mo, in the eye of the north, trading a tome found in the COF in hard mode on the same mesmer. has anyone seen this bug before? 24.108.208.160 03:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

He didn't have room in his inventory... thats why he offered you two things and the money, and you offered 2. It came out even and in the end he had a full inventory again.--67.86.113.242 16:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Price

Hey i have a question how much r they worth????? 68.35.221.239 23:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

That question would be better answered in a fansite or forum like GWGuru... or just by going to Lion's Arch and checking the buy/sell list. We try to avoid giving that information here as it may be misused.--Fighterdoken 23:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Secondary Prof.

Can a warrior/paragon use a paragon tome to learn a paragon skill?71.132.154.40 17:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Calor 17:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)