User talk:Auron/Archive 19

This is an archive of my talk page from 4 March 2011 to 4 November 2012. Please don't edit it; leave comments and messages on my talk page.

Feedback:Main

The guy admitted on his own talk page he doesn't read it. He said he likes using his user page because he gets updates when new comments are made and thus he can read them. 58.111.85.122 10:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Rules exist governing the posting of feedback in the feedback section. If every piece of feedback belongs on John's talk page, then we'll re-write the policy to state that clearly - but I'm fairly certain that's not what he wants. Until such time as the policy is re-written, suggestions belong in the suggesting user's feedback space and nowhere else. -Auron 18:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Why even consider changing the entire policy for just 1 staff member? We'd never consider that with Regina ...IE: why chase her down on Guru and validate her elusiveness? (more like work-avoidance). Now... ppl starting new topics (or derailing existing ones) just to make suggestions makes the whole page a real garbage dump. But there's no policy saying that stuff has to stay there longer than a day or two, given the devs have never commented on suggestions in the first place. IoW, the purge rate for it could be a lot faster (if that's not already the case) b/c we're assuming he already read it, right? --ilr 21:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not considering it, but it is a theoretical option; the IP claimed John wants stuff on his talk page, and given he's the only one posting, it isn't too unreasonable to consider changing how we do things to better suit the dev. In reality it's an awful solution; feedback should go where it belongs and ANet should put a bit more effort into reading it. They went through a shitload of trouble (or rather, we the userbase did) to set up the feedback namespace, and it's the best we can offer to them. If they are unable or unwilling to read it, that's very unfortunate, but that doesn't make it alright to post stuff on whim to the dev talk page.

I don't mind using his talk page to get his attention, but it needs to be saved for only major issues - game-breaking bugs or a single skill that is destroying competitive PvP. Instead people post whatever bullshit comes to their mind at any given time, and that is what I have a problem with. Most people are fucking retarded and their issues aren't worth reading to begin with, and they're generally too self-centered to realize their suggestion might not be as awesome as they think it is, so telling them to put it in the feedback namespace with everyone else's suggestions is just met with hostility. If they were objective enough to weigh the merits of their comment before posting, I wouldn't have to police the page at all... but people aren't. -Auron 06:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

As per Auron, people need to shut the fuck up. elix Omni 07:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Anet does seem to read the feedback name space at least somewhat... This last embark beach update had several ideas taken in some form from the feedback portal. like the Zaishen vanquish, hero alphabetical listing, drunkard title, etc etc. Of course these are simple ideas that Anet could have come up on their own, but I like to think that they are listening to players. --Lania 16:18, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't like all the problems be fixed by enforcing concise posts like this? --DANDY ^_^ -- 10:02, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes. --Riddle 23:35, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft

It is indeed fun as hell. ShadowRunner 11:52, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I recommend the 404 challenge. Morphy 19:10, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

asplain? -Auron 21:56, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

[1] Morphy 11:32, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Abandon ship!

So Emily, Strain, Phinney, and some other anet guy all ditching anet and gw2 for Undead labs. Smart move on their part. I knew Emily left but Phinney and Strain? Holy crap --adrin 05:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Didn't jeff strain leave in like 2009? I thought he was one of the founders of undead labs. -Auron 10:59, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah he did. Apparently for him and a couple others that moved to undead labs, zombies are their passion or something like that. --Lania 16:10, 07 March 2011 (UTC)

Still looks like an absolutely terrible game they're producing. Not like Phinney did a ton of good for GW either. Stumme is the only lead designer in the last 4 years who's managed to put out popular/effective updates in a reasonable time period.--TahiriVeila 18:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I heard there's a tsunami heading your way.

Better watch out! - J.P.Talk 09:33, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

its ok, i can swim. -Auron 10:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Tsunami has a pretty strong current... - J.P.Talk 11:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Better hang on to rubber duckling. - Infinite - talk 11:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I seem to remember a topic like this from the last tsunami that threatened Auron. --neshot. 15:48, 11 March 2011.

Yeah, that was from another earthquake. This time it's from a 8.9 one from Japan. The tsunami already hit Hawaii and it apparently wasn't too bad. Japan on the other hand took a bit of a beating. --Lania 15:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Dutchlands so safe. InfestedHydralisk 20:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

You better assume the pole hanging position. →[ »Halogod (talk)« ]← 21:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Atleast all the poledancers survive. InfestedHydralisk 21:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Stuff for wiki contributors

You know, i was thinking about the same thing just a few days ago. That would be neat! I didn't know the TF2 wiki was actually doing something like this. - J.P.Talk 09:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.

This imho hit all the right notes. Thank you for taking the time to write and post it.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

+1  :-) ---Lania 23:56, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to add my thanks too. I was going to post something similar when I got home from work today, but you did it much better than I would have been able to.  :) --Rainith 00:26, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

And here I race home, fighting traffic, park blocks away from my house due to a "police incident", grab a bite to eat in one hand while turning my computer on with the other, kicking my clients' work closer to the door so I can head out again quickly, swig back the last of my coffee to prepare myself to respond to another wall of text... and you've taken care of it. Mind sending me an email in advance so it's one last thing I need to prep for? Either way, yes, I'm adding my thanks. G R E E N E R 01:30, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

...I think you could use a break buddy :p – Emmett 01:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Damn it Auron, you're ruined everything. elix Omni 01:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

He is! --DANDY ^_^ -- 16:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

"effecting"

Best part of that whole page, tbh. -- Armond{{Bacon}} 00:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

America

I giggled a little, sometimes I miss this place. -- Tha Reckoning 12:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Banned

Why I am banned? I make 2 reverts but Tennesee Ernie Ford did and he is banned? Ryuu makes 2 reverts and he is banned? I only make 2 reverts why banned I tell other guy to stop making revert?

Your user name or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by Auron. The reason given is sock account created to revert war.

   * Start of block: 21:57, 3 May 2011
   * Expiry of block: infinite
   * Intended blockee: OverKill

184.105.172.226

Please review Auron's comment on the matter located here. Ryuu - lol wiki 23:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Stop reading ...

Stop reading this book; it appears to be affecting your editorial neutrality.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 00:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

wat -Auron 01:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

You stand accused of making up lies and being a liar.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:36, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

i am amused. -Auron 01:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I never knew I was your favorite. ♥ Ryuu - lol wiki 01:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, you may want to unblock Felix's university IP. :> Ryuu - lol wiki 01:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Also! By looking at this, I was able to fix this. ^-^ Ryuu - lol wiki 01:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Banana

http://twitter.com/#!/AuronFtw - er, is that you? -- pling 19:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Yep! Faer and I linked rift to our twitter accounts. -Auron 23:59, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Your question from IRC

No, it's not. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Faction (Kurzick)

Hi! I notice you deleted the Faction (Kurzick) redirect as an "Unnecessary redirect". Seems it's used in a bunch of userboxes and is one of the top redlinks on Special:WantedPages since you deleted it. Might be worth putting it back? --150.101.122.203 20:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

It makes more sense to change the templates and links linking to it. No one is ever going to search for "Faction (Kurzick)" if "Kurzick faction" is faster and easier. However, I do not own a crystal ball, so who knows. - Infinite - talk 20:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Makes more sense to restore the redirect, fix all the pages, and then delete the redirect to avoid redlinking a bunch of people. —Tanaric 21:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Did someone ninja edit the redlinks? I don't see it listed on wantedpages. -Auron 22:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I suspect that they were all resolved when the redirect was fixed in the userbox. (Just after Infinite's post, just before Tanaric's.) By the time I looked, Wanted and Broken Redirects were fine. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Quick question

You reverted my delete tag on Vaettir while deleting Berserker, both of which are of equal value and hold the same amount of lorical and mechanical inference - none. They both are a mere naming convention with a shared trophy. Bersekers are minotaurs and Vaettirs are Nightmares, neither of which are indicated to be affiliations and, to my recollection of searching prior to placing both delete tags, neither had an in-game reference. So why was one deleted while the other had its tag removed (without discussion). Konig/talk 15:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Same question for Awakened. There was no consensus on keeping, merely 2 opposing comments, and you removed it. Konig/talk 15:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The only valid deletion reasoning I saw was redundant article information on one of the pages. The other pages have tens of thousands of views. They may be player-made terms, but they're fairly popular search terms if nothing else. If you just want them to be redirects to more appropriate articles, that's a fine solution - but simply axing them is not. -Auron 02:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Additionally, we should probably make the berserker page a redirect as well, considering it still has links (and is a plausible search term). -Auron 02:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Eh, to me, a deletion tag can always be remedied through making a redirect. As there are no tags that call for an action of turning a page into a redirect, I tend to see deletion tags as "either delete or set as a redirect" based on what's the purpose of the deletion and what the target is. But I shall enact your suggestion of turning those articles into redirects. Konig/talk 02:25, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh and to answer your question: "so there's in-game references to it, a history of search hits to it, and no harm in its continued existence... why was this even tagged in the first place?" - the in-game references and history of search hits were found/presented post deletion tag placement. I find the "no harm in its continued existence" debatable - for instance, everything costs space, so having something unnecessary will in turn cost space and thus do harm by costing space when such space can be freed (just one argument on how "causes no harm" is wrong). But I digress, it's not worth the annoyance of prattling over. Konig/talk 02:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

iirc "deleting" things doesn't actually free up the space until it's removed server-side (and who knows how long that takes), so that argument is invalid. 67.180.236.203 05:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The content is never deleted server-side. All deleting does is hide a page from non-admins. -Auron 07:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

For all intents and purposes, "space" on the wiki does not cost anything. Bandwidth costs (a little), and losing readers costs, so any space expended to help any reader find the information they're looking for, or find it faster, far exceeds in benefits what it costs. --mendel 09:29, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

There is a "space" that redirects do cost: the quick-search results. --JonTheMon 12:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Plz merge my account

with the old one, to the new one -making the new one my main one. --0gion 07:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

You need to ask a bureaucrat for that. Put a new request up here. -Auron 10:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

lol hi

editing from 3ds! Auron 20:26, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

lol, nice.  :) --Rainith 20:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Does the text show up in 3d? -- Armond Warblade 21:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

no, only games :( -Auron 22:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Over 9000

I feel this redirect is useful because 1) it's a notable, gold-trim guild; and 2) have you tried typing their bloody guild name? -- Hong 11:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

A mainspace redirect to a guild page is usually not a good idea, but perhaps redirecting Guild:Over 9000 to that would be better. -- Traveler (talk) 23:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

As Auron has argued in the past, why would we put redirects under names that people won't search for? Anyone coming on the wiki to look for the guild page is going to search for "over 9000"; the search results won't even default to looking in the guild namespace. I think in this case an exception is in order. -- Armond Warblade 00:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

The same could be said of any guild. Btw: if you actually read the results when searching for "over 9000", the proper spelling is right there. Just saying. Also if you actually put "Guild:Over 9000" in the search box (just like you'd need to put to successfully search for any guild), the very first result is the right page. - Tanetris 01:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I can't find any other guild (notable or otherwise) that has its own redirect in Main. There's category:notable guilds as well as Gold trim guilds to make up for the fact that 으v트r 9000 pwn'd itself by making its name too difficult to spell. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

What TEF said; we have a list of gold trim guilds already, gw is too dead for anyone to actually care about them anyhow (or we'd have had redirects for Idiot Savants, Esoteric Warriors, etc from the mainspace ages ago). -Auron 02:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

People read before getting frustrated? -- Armond Warblade 07:03, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

How cheap?

Are we talking ecto or plat? I've just dispensed with all of my ecto, but I have about 200k. What would you give me for that? 76.106.245.213 07:34, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

~25k for olias, ~30k for morgahn. Nothing too pricy. -Auron 09:51, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Doable. Mini Gwen and Jora? Also, where and when? 76.106.245.213 21:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I can leave Olias and Morgahn if it'll afford me an unded Mini Gwen or an EL Jora. 76.106.245.213 21:51, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

EL Jora is 20e, mini gwen would be 35e. -Auron 23:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... Ecto are currently about 8k from an NPC. I don't remember what they go for between players. 20x8=160. Can I just give you 180k for EL Jora and call it good? 76.106.245.213 05:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Yep. I'll be on in a few mins if you're still around, just gotta finish ramparts. -Auron 06:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

If I came across the currency, for how much would you be willing to part with EL Zhed? lol 76.106.245.213 21:12, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

14e. -Auron 23:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I noticed ecto dropped to about 5k, last I checked, but I'll stick with the original *8. That's 112. Can I round it down to 110k? Since 70k for an EL seems a bit too cheap. 76.106.245.213 00:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Just go with whatever ecto price is at the time of trade. I don't wanna rip you off for no reason :p -Auron 08:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I always overpay, when it's fake money. 80k, for the trouble? 76.106.245.213 09:46, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm home now, you wanna trade? I'll be home again ~1 pm my time tomorrow (HST) if now is bad. -Auron 08:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Six hour difference. Okay. I might take the Olias and Morgahn off your hands, too. Would you happen to know anybody willing to sell a Pyre or Anton? 76.106.245.213 14:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Oddly enough I have acquired an Anton in my travels as well. Not sure I want to sell it just yet though, I'm rather attached :<

Idk anyone else selling, I'll keep an eye out on irc. -Auron 19:09, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you for the trouble. 76.106.245.213 22:09, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

At first glance I thought you were running an "escort" service Auron. Continue... -- scourge 05:22, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

TOR

Is going to be GREAT. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise, all the reasonable people are LIARS. NuVII 23:12, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

...k! -Auron 13:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree, but NDA, so I can't. elix Omni 09:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

[2]

-- Armond Warblade 06:49, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Yo Yo

Merry Christmas! Drogo Boffin 02:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Same to you :D Auron 04:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hows it been? Drogo Boffin 04:35, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

boring, life as usual. mostly playing wow + skyrim in my free time, working and sleeping otherwise. -Auron 06:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Is Skyrim better than Oblivion? Ive been thinking about getting it but I didnt really like Oblivian that well. Drogo Boffin 14:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

It improves on Oblivion's mechanics, but the core concepts of the Elder Scrolls series is unchanged. If you didn't like Oblivion at all, you probably won't like Skyrim any better. elix Omni 18:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary, I hated oblivion due to boring combat, gamebreaking bugs, and the required 20-30 mods to make the game not suck. Skyrim out of the box is a thousand times better, from better flowing combat to the bugs only being mildly annoying. Oblivion was generic wrpg #194809184, Skyrim is quite possibly the best rpg since bg2. It just needs some bugfix lovin'. -Auron 22:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

how 2 gww

Hey.

I'm strongly considering opposing your self-nomination purely because of the restraints it puts on you as an Administrator. Which makes me wonder two things;

1) While technically anyone can put complete nonsense in a vote and add their signature (or even omit any attempt at rationale at all), is my above reasoning likely to carry much weight to those Bureaucrats making the decision?

2) What is your opinion of my reasoning?

To clarify; I've no problem with you being a Bureaucrat except for the fact that GWW stupidity means you're effectively removed from the Admin Team. A F K When Needed 06:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

That reasoning has been used successfully in the past to oppose various sysops' bureaucrat nominations. It's valid.

I don't care one way or the other. There's not a whole lot of trolling going on, but who's to say what'll happen when GW2 comes out? If people want me to stay sysop, that's fine with me. Sysops and bcrats are both here to serve the userbase, and whichever position they'd prefer for me is what I will do. -Auron 07:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the response. :)

I'd instead try to change the problem at its core, but I don't think anyone cares. The mess that is GWW policy is easily engrained to the point where some random whoru can't effectively combat it. Or at least that's what my experience gathered from lurking suggests. A F K When Needed 07:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Palapala kono

Aloha, I just wanted to introduce myself to the other alaka’i who seems to be just as busy keeping the wiki in good running order. If you get the time to stop by leave a comment on my user talk page. Mahalo nui loa. --Wendy Black 01:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Lol. Reading...

...Through the humor category when I came to your quotes page... Then to your userpage.... At which I realized you've read Shannara (at least one of the books)...--Necro Shea Mo 04:22, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

All of the books actually. -Auron 11:26, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Have you read all of brooks' stuff, like the Knights of the Word and the tie-in to Shannara? --JonTheMon 14:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

All except the landover series, including the recent children of the hawk novels with Prue and that other guy. -Auron 01:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I've read all the Shannara books and Landiver series, but not Knight of the Word...--Necro Shea Mo 04:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

You should, knights of the word are pretty badass. I think that series starts with running with the demon. The next trilogy has even more knights and world-ending explosions. It's pretty neat. The magical appearance of arborlon in the running with the demon series was A LITTLE CHEESY but understandable given the history. It also makes Wren a dumb bitch for breaking the staff instead of keeping it for the next time elves need to make a quick getaway. -Auron 07:39, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I never understood why she broke the Loden...--Necro Shea Mo 00:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

none of this section is superior to a discussion of the abhorsen trilogy/world -- Armond Warblade 22:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm just not that into pokemon anymore. -Auron 01:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

^^Used to be a pokemon fanatic. I just don't get why anymore.--Necro Shea Mo 02:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Not so sure but

I'd like to discuss this whole topic on handling the live team with care with you on my talk page. The last mvoed topics are in archive 4. Keep in mind that this is an important topic since John made it clear in the past that he had dealt with trolls before he took the lead designer position in the live team, and that his heart is not fragile like porcelain, but nevertheless any negative sections with an overally negative opinion about their performance are usually removed with swift and to the point sysop efficency. --Boro 13:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind really constructive posts, even if they're negative. A list of shit that sucked and details as to why they sucked is honestly one of the best things you can give to developers. But I looked up and down that page and saw your signature like 60 times, most of it after oneliner comments and even your recent walls weren't very constructive. It was just a lot of Shard-esque "this shit sucked." That's my biggest problem. Fewer posts with more quality in each would be much appreciated. I don't care about the negativity if Stumme doesn't, but make sure your posts are worth reading to begin with :p -Auron 10:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll try. I find it still hard to do anything else with the war in kryta or gw2. The fluff with those two just suck way too much. Mind me, my main problem with those two is that after Nightfall they decided to use "five races", and instead of incorporating long anticipated or already estabilished races (Tengu, Centaurs and Mursaat), they pulled the Norn, Sylvari and Asura out of thin air. One would think that the Dwarves could have known something about these giant shapeshifters, especially after there were stories of their heroics. The Tengu have always filled the proud warrior race part that the norn have taken, which is a shame since they are just oversized humans worshipping lesser aspects of nature (Since nature belongs to Melandru). To add insult to injury it is stated that the spirits are treated as equal to gods. That's blatant disregard of previously estabilished canon right there.

And the asura. They had a pretty negative influence on me. Even since they are introduced I'm okay with xenocide as long as it's them. They are the most one-dimensional race I have ever seen. Every single asura is an arrogant, overrated, egoistic racist who would gladly use lesser races as test subjects or dangerous labor. Seriously I was happy when Gadd blew himself up. To top it all, they lack common sense, which is an important part of intelligence and living a long life, so by all standards they should have wiped themselves out, being idiots. A simple reverse-psychological effect tricked Oola into helping us in the main quest, and an intelligent being should have recognized such cheap tricks utilized on her. To top that they have had minimal character development in EoTN, only Vekk had some degree depth after G.O.L.E.M.

All of this while the mursaat (who were only hinted to be exterminated, but didn't do anything except to try to survive) were in an awfully good position of splitting into factions, with the "good" faction possibly replacing the asura in every way possible: Both are "physically weak" magically powerful species, both have their constructs, and while the Mursaat have a deep history in tyria, the asurans just popped out of the ground and said: It's our turf now. I don't know if it's just me but I'd have taken the mursaat anytime if I was to choose between them and the asura. The latter which I had to endure their insults through EoTN. After I killed abaddon. And there is my last point for the mursaat: They are protoss high templars, and if encased in jade-based power armor, they could be awfully good warriors, or at least leagues more believeable than asura Yoda copycats.

On the topic of War in Kryta... It's just doing the generalized stereotypes again. I am now replaying the Prophecies campaign, and as Mantle Knight Karrya unhappily points out in Bandit Trouble: "I had heard there was some trouble in North Kryta Province, but I am much aggrieved to hear how ineffective the Lionguard is at protecting our people. Here we are, the White Mantle, taking on the greatest of crises facing our land, the walking dead, and the vaunted Lionguard cannot deal with a few brigands! I will send a few men to inquire into the matter, and in the meantime, give this Token of Janthir to the peasant you mentioned. While she bears it, the Unseen Ones will pay her special attention." Which doesn't mean at all that he is evil or unwilling to help, but they are swamped(literally) in undead. Meanwhile he tries to ease Miraba's mind with the Token of Janthir. In times when they're stretched too thin and have too many foes to begin with(with the shining blade stirring trouble and undead clamoring for the Scepter of Orr), even a single token can mean so much.

On the other hand, The Hot Springs Murders gives us a nagging suggestion that not everything is right in the Mantle's ranks. That's good. Subtle hints, possible internal conflicts, they can give depth to a story especially when you get to choose. But the War in Kryta throws that out of the window. The mantle=bad, royalists=good, no exceptions, only a couple of mantle recruits who felt disillusioned with the mantle. Pretty much every WiK character is the same oppressive blood hound tyrant, while the Salma party is nice, benevolent, yadda yadda.

BMP is a retcon of the story of Saul D'Alessio, which was said in the original GW manuscripts to be a different tale, and it was changed only to reduce sympathy towards the mursaat.

So, in the end, are you surprised when these subtle, grey and grey morality types of story elements get phased out into a simpler "the world is black and white" viewpoint, I cry out at the defilement of the world I so throughtly enjoyed and roleplayed in? --Boro 12:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, story writing just isn't Anet's strong suit. With an instanced and "linear" aspect of the gameplay through PvE they really could have done a lot more. I agree, the characters just don't have a unique personality, and everything just seems bland. Some people say that all MMO story lines are bad. But the complicated ingame lore/story on the Mabinogi series is quite impressive for an online game IMO. Plenty of plot twists and gray shades of morality instead of completely predictable and black/white in guildwars. I think Anet believes that having a monolithic evil enemy to conquer makes it seem epic and awesome but it's so beyond predictable that does get quite boring. Maybe things will be different with GW2 but I'm not holding my breath. I never read the books. I heard ghosts of ascalon was decent but edge of destiny was a waste of time... but afaik, different writer than the one for the game. --Lania 21:05, 05 April 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, the Factions-GW:B stuff was less black-and white. So far. I never actually finished that. — Raine Valen 17:35, 7 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Boom

Sup... Drogo Boffin 17:48, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Piplup

Please do not tell me you only found that ascii art only recently. 220.255.2.111 13:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

No, it hit PvX years ago, and some of the more notorious trolls took to posting it on dev talk pages. I was linked to one of those from a friend and it put a smile on my face. -Auron 13:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

There are more epic ones for Dungeon Siege made on SiegeWorks --Boro 13:33, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

And we care about those because? Hint: PvX pokemanz culture. 220.255.2.103 13:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

PvX, "pokemanz" (I believe the correct spelling would be pokemons), and Culture are mutually exclusive terms. Dungeon Siege is however classic, culture, and brilliant game engineering in one shining example with an atmosphere that would inevitably suck in any good hack and slash gamer and RTS elements instead of action ones to keep the brain working. Pokemons have nothing on it. Although in it's core pokemon is originally a turn based rpg game that bears much resemblance to illegal roster fights. --Boro 16:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I see. 220.255.2.103 13:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Awsum fanmail

Gave me a good laugh. --Boro 15:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I think Auron's got a secret admirer, if that wasn't a love letter, I don't know what is.  ;) --Rainith 16:01, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Glad you like it. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 16:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Vandals

Keeping ya busy huh? Drogo Boffin 04:49, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

EMail changed, no access to user account anymore.

Good evening, some time ago I got a new email account, since my old one stopped working. I got a chance to change most stuff related to it before the old one went offline, but unfortunately missed this wiki. So now, I remember my username, but can't remember the password. Since the old email is gone, I have no way to recover the password. How can I proceed in order to recover the wiki account? I can provide the old email address, IP address used (I had a static IP by that time, now not anymore), and other info. I could in fact identify myself through Guild Wars, since I made a guild page (Silver Sunshine) and am (and have always been) guild leader of that specific guild. Thanks for any assistance.

Sounds like you should (after waiting for admin approval) just create a new account, get the old one banned, and continue from there :p afaik admins/bcrats can't do anything with passwords etc. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 21:54, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah... you can just make a new account and move your old userpage/talk page to it. There's not much we can do to recover your password, but if you ever do find it/remember it in the future, bureaucrats can merge the accounts. -Auron 23:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I took the time (actually couple of days) and tried quite a lot of different passwords, until I finally found the one I had used! So no need for a new account anymore :D - Aether 22:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Featured Article stuffz

Usually Poke takes care of the Featured Article and related issues, but he hasn't been active as of late and the other listed-as-active Bureaucrats are not as consistent in their activity as you, so I come to you with these conundrums.

1. The current featured article has been long long long overdue for a change with what's at Main Page/featured article/next.
2. File:Gwn-scr025-lrg.jpg needs to be moved to File:Nightfall screenshot 3.jpg - I'd move it myself, but it's protected thanks to the cascading protection on the featured articles...
3. File:Tyria world map - final woBG Medium.jpg is outdated and sans the featured article has been replaced with the more up-to-date image here.

It would be grand if you could do these things (on a side note, I'm getting annoyed by having to repeatedly go to an admin to get things done :/ Hopefully that'll end soon). Konig/talk 00:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm retarded. What did I break? -Auron 04:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

also was that a hint I should rfa you or something -Auron 07:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

No, that was just me ranting. And danke for taking care of these things, though you missed updating the image on Main Page/featured article (2nd point needs renamimg and the redirect can then be deleted; 3rd point can be deleted all together after being changed on the featured article page). Konig/talk 15:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Does Main Page/featured article need to retain the older entries for reused articles? e.g. do the old entries for Lore, User Interface, and Tyria (world) (and any others) need to be there along with the more recent and current entries? - Tanetris 00:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I would say no, but Poke's the one who designed and maintained that page. Konig/talk 02:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I would agree with no - especially the ones that are doubling up. -Auron 02:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

If Poke dislikes it, he is always free to yell at me and/or revert. - Tanetris 02:53, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Fixing the infobox CSS

Hello! This problem requires the admin rights, I cannot do it by my own. Current design of the Template:Skill infobox assumed that only a single campaign can be shown in the box; since that time we got a number of skills belonging to more than one campaign, which are not the core skills. Some fixes have been made recently allowing to show 2 campaigns at the same time, campaign or campaign2 (still not properly documented). However, the resulting long text string disrupts the infobox design, which can be seen, for example, here: Survivor's Will (look at the bottom of infobox). I clearly see the overlapping in Google Chrome 19. Solving this requires some changes in CSS file with properties of elements of this box: MediaWiki:Common.css. The solution which I have found is in replacing:

div.infobox dd
{ line-height: inherit; margin: 0 0 2px; padding: 5px 0; height: 19px; }

with

div.infobox dd
{ line-height: 1.2em; margin: 0 0 2px; padding: 5px 0; height: 19px; }

Currently, parameter inherit sets the default value equal to 1.5em; decreasing it to 1.1em or 1.2em makes the line space much less and look much better. However, it's only a quick fix; the best solution would be in changing of the infobox design, which would allow to show more than one line (2 or 3), but this may require much time. --Slavic 14:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

It still looks kinda ghetto, but I guess the infobox will be updated at some point. -Auron 00:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Guild:Oooga Booga

That annoying, recurring vandalism got me thinking (yeah, it still happens occasionally.) Although it's practically unenforceable, are guild pages not restricted to editing by guild members only? Pretty damn stupid point, but who knows who's actually doing the vandalism? In that case it is obvious that someone got their arse in a twist because OG won the tourney by default (de fault of de servers, allegedly,) but otherwise, who knows. Alternatively, fuck it - if guild members can't be arsed to keep an eye on their own pages, let 'em rot.

I'm in a funny old mood today...

snograt 15:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

You call it vandalism. I call it accurate record maintaining. You might not like what was said, that doesn't make it any less true. We don't have a record of specific mATs and details describing the environment/metas/issues at the time. Notice [rawr]'s infamous time of abusing the mAT and having their trim revoked. It is essentially the same concept. 12.5.144.20 15:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

It's a guild article, not a mainspace article about the mechanics of the competition nor a critical review of techniques used by winners. The guild is free to update the article however they like (within the policies of of the wiki). Even if this guild or that won a competition by default, they don't have to mention it on their guild page.

If you have a complaint about the system (and about whether some winners are less deserving than others), please take it up with ANet in the Feedback space or in a forum which is setup to have a free-for-all discussion. The wiki guildspace is for the guilds themselves to provide their own, possibly-biased history and current organizational structure.

@Snoggy: practically unenforceable policies are generally bad ideas, b/c they give people the impression that other policies are free to debate by breaking them. I imagine that a sysop would semi-protect the article if one of its members asked. (We do protect Guild articles from vandalism or from edits that are clearly coming from non-members; it's so rare that it's not that big a deal imo). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:37, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Then delete the rawr had a trim removed for a month comment and deal with that shit storm. Once you come out unscathed from that one, you can deal with the minor comment on OG's page. 12.5.144.20 16:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

TEF, you make perfect sense, and sorry for the rant. Mind you, it is Auron's talk page ;) @12.5.144.20 - what trim comment? If you mean the discussion on rawr's talk page, then that's another matter. Talk pages can be edited by anyone, guild pages by guild members. Feel free to appeal to OG's sense of fair play by commenting on their talk page but please refrain from altering their actual page. --snograt 17:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

@IP: I think you misunderstand my point of view on this topic. I wrote that rawr note personally, years ago, when the abuse actually happened and the trim was removed. Everyone knew why it happened, and Izzy grilled rawr personally for it (including a rather scathing post in the secret balance forums about it). I had screenshots of the conga line, guilds copying the conga line, and guilds naming their characters in reference to rawr's cheating - it was a very definable event that happened, and its occurrence had a very obvious impact on the PvP community.

That's what I'm looking for in your note. I'm all for including information if it's relevant, but you need to back it up. Right now it's just conjecture - it's not "accurate record maintaining." Once you have proof of it; a comment from ANet, screenshots of euro alliance chat with several guilds complaining about the lag (I was a PvPer - I know that kind of chatter goes on if a problem exists), then I'll be happy to revert myself. Until then, you need to leave that page alone.

Obviously I'm not saying server issues are not a possibility. I personally contacted both Izzy and Regina several years ago when server lag affected the outcome of a monthly tournament, and I had snippets of alliance chat and IRC chat (from the PvP IRC channel) to back up my claims. But you need the proof that I provided, or your claim will be taken with a grain of salt - and those kinds of claims have no business being on a wiki page about a guild. -Auron 06:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

@Everyone else: I've never thought of notable guild pages to be typical guild pages. They're a separate entity with different rules - most of them (for the big name PvP guilds, for example) were made and are maintained by non-members. Some of those guilds didn't have a single person that edited wiki in their ranks, but the guild's achievements in PvP were still notable - winning enough trims or influencing the metagame enough that they're worth archiving and preserving. The wiki would be far more incomplete if we expected every notable guild to maintain their own articles and forbid anyone from doing it for them. That rule was created to stop harmful vandalism from competing guilds or just random douchebags. Even the IP's edits to this one aren't *vandalism* per se - he might have a completely valid point, and I will be looking into it further to make sure. He just needed to stop revert warring; I don't really care that he edited a guild page. He wasn't violating the spirit of that policy, and as far as I'm concerned, that policy has nothing to do with notable guilds either way. -Auron 07:11, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

That actually occurred to me too, Auron. Notable guilds are a special case within a special case. Meh, I've done my piece of nose-pokey for the year :) --snograt 08:25, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Soz, Auron. I was going by GWW:GUILD, which doesn't mention anything about gold trim articles getting treated differently and "claims to fame should be documented with hard evidence". I always thought we documented winners on gold trim guilds, but I'll keep your comments in mind if something like this happens again. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not handing out a ruling from on high, that's just my take on the notable guilds. I don't think anyone's given them enough thought to craft specific policies for them - it's usually just been a few active PvPers trying to keep the pages in order (a few IPs have done a lot to check old websites and update guild pages with tournament placements and rosters). If I'm being retarded just say so :p -Auron 09:35, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I took your comments as that of a respected veteran contributor who pays more attention to PvP than I do...and that you were pointing out a consensus-by-practice rather than one that had been written down and formally agreed to. I didn't take it as "the admin says: new policy!" Moreover, it seems reasonable to me. (We should maybe write something down, so it's easier for people to know where to draw the line...but maybe this doesn't come up often enough to matter.)

I still think the IP was editiorializing, rather than documenting facts. (I don't see it as vandalism, just inappropriate.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 10:01, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately there really are no credible high-end PvPers that care to take care of the pages these days with accurate information. The IP user is correct in the information he stated - Though I cannot say I agree that it should be placed on OG's page. Possibly on the same page as rawr's? Gladiator Motoko 02:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I was considering duplicating the rawr note onto rawr's guild page, as it pertains to both the guild and the history of gold trims. The OG note doesn't have much to do with gold trims (it's more about the tournament and not the reward). I'd love to have pages about specific monthly tournaments (who participated, what builds they ran) but most of that information is already on another site and there's not many people interested in maintaining it anyway. The note about OG would fit perfectly on one of those pages. -Auron 03:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Featured article

Do you think you can update the featured article with its next lineup? Also, any chance you can change the protection level to semi-protected? I'm tired of having to go in round about ways for updating the images while they're not being featured (atm, I wanna upload a new version of File:The Rise of the White Mantle loading screen.jpg and File:Pre-Searing Ascalon loading screen.jpg, both being better quality). Konig/talk 23:28, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

changed protection level, knock yourself out -Auron 23:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

GuildWiki uses a couple of other permission levels (added at b'crat discretion) that are between standard contributor and sysop. I wonder if it might make sense to do that here, e.g. create a Features Moderator group and change the permission levels for moving the feature files to allow that group full access.

Then Konig (et al) can manage the process without the monthly reminders to sysops and without worrying that someone else will accidentally edit the various files. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 00:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

That would require a tech request, ANet would have to add a usergroup themselves. -Auron 07:33, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Celestial Sigils

If you still have one (and you feel like logging on to find out), could you let me know what the NPC is offering to pay you for a sigil? They were cheaper than cheap about a month ago and now seem to be selling for whatever people can get a way with (currently, the equivalent of a tormented weapon). (However, it's mere curiosity — everyone I know trying to start a guild has had the ecto to buy them at market prices). Thx. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

...and if you don't mind sharing one, pm me ingame... Yoshida Keiji talk 10:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

http://mattrollins.org/Uploads/MattRollinsOrg/gw021.jpg displays 49 plat, then offers 1. false advertisement.

I wouldn't mind selling one, dyou have any armbraces lying around? -Auron 14:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. (interesting market at work: 12-16k in late June → 49k at trader now, but ~20-25e in Kam/HA-outpost) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

If by "market" you mean the trader is broken, so no one sells them to the trader, so everyone thinks they're more valuable than they are. -- FreedomBound 19:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

(OT) Oh, YOU are Matt Rollins? For ages I've thought the beardy guy on my FB list was a totally different Matt from GW-related places. Must concentrate harder on stuff. --snograt 20:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, technically, if "everyone" thinks their value is a certain amount, then it is that amount :p -Auron 03:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I suppose. The traders generally are to make things easier and have a consolidated value. Everything would probably be more expensive if there weren't any traders (even considering the cut the traders take), because the traders can bring together parties that would otherwise never interact. It's someone spamming WTB in Kamadan and someone spamming WTS in GToB, versus anyone in any town going to a trader and getting the same price. With some things that aren't trader items (i.e. armbraces), they're widely traded enough that a value is pretty well established. I'd imagine sigils will settle into that, assuming they don't fix the trader. Hopefully they're not going to be settling at 30e. -- FreedomBound 11:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the market is broken, it's just a unique situation for GW1 since I started playing. It's not as if people have to create a guild (and heck, it's possibly cheaper to buy someone else's defunct guild).

The traders do two things: (1) they provide perfect information (for anyone who cares to check) and establish a mechanism for standardizing prices, by (2) allowing anyone to walk away from any deal and accept the their gold-sinking offers. (I suppose that's (3), since they are gold sinks; player trades don't remove wealth from the game.)

It's unusual that something normally available from an NPC sells out for long enough that a primary trade market can be created. Even in the early days after the 7H update, the mesmer un-nerf, ele tweak, and dervish makeover, runes & insignias were still available (although you had to refresh the window a bunch to find them). Similarly, when Nick demands mats, the traders frequently run out, but unless you're really pressed for time, they'll have them eventually. Sigils are an interesting exception. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 06:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Nino

Hello, why did you block my user page and removed my right to edit pages ? I'm not a "vandal bot" (or whatever does it mean, I'm humain, see, I speak to you :] ) I guess it is related to the publication of my macros, I'm sorry if it disappointed you but I didn't know it would cost me a ban... People usually PM me if they allow this kind of code on their website, but don't ban without any further informations... PS : Yes I'm a frenchy, I hate eating frog and my english is terrible... I make efforts to improve it.Nino2 19:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Block

Hey, I'm Thon Ghul. I see I've been Blocked >_>. Is there possibly a way to let my IP only change my pages/talk pages or something?, Someone seems to have been using my IP address, I have no idea who cgregory actually is >_> or how he could be using my IP...either way, if I could possibly atleast reply to comments on my pages, that would be great (: - Just hope no one uses my IP for gw2w, that would wreck my life! -- Thon Ghul|Talk 17:46, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I've also been blocked. Please add

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1347235200

(week 37) September 10, 2012

| 1 || Truffles || Factions || Echovald Forest || Morostav Trail || Map

to Nick's page. Steve1 21:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Ive also been blocked for a vandal bot, cant even work out why, last items i did were post pic of henchmen having the boss effect and adding a bug note to the page. looked back through my contributions and nothing is there i havent done either. Spark-TBa 21:59, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

ive now been unblocked, ty, although i came here to say ty and it said i couldnt edit cause ive been blocked again, reloaded the page and now its ok...... i think there might be an issue here with wiki or something, unless unblocking normally gets done in the time it takes to reload a page. hope it gets sorted  :)Spark-TBa 22:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

ArenaNet had a server caching issue a week or so ago where everyone was being routed to the same IP. They "sorted it out" but a few edits are still being made through those shared IPs - so when a vandal bot uses them to spam URL links, the IP gets blocked, and all legitimate editors also get blocked (the ones that are being routed to that IP, anyway).

The issue was supposedly fixed, but it's obviously not. The best you can do is send emails to ANet support and request that they fix their wiki IP issues. -Auron 00:39, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Unblocked too it seems... -- Thon Ghul|Talk 12:07, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Your account never was. You just caught the IP rerouting issue. -Auron 05:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Blocked from registering. please assist. address is 192.168.103.54, and the block ID is #24463.

Should be good to go - Tanetris 22:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't even quite understand this. I've been "autoblocked because [my] IP address has been recently used by 'Tylerv1900'." How does someone else use my IP and get me blocked? It's not that devastating, it's only for a day longer, but I am curious why I got blocked.--Saera Serena 15:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Auron has already given an explanation earlier in this section. See above. --Silver Edge 21:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. I read it, but I didn't really understand it, so I figured posing my question would be easier; obviously not.--Saera Serena 13:12, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

→ moved from Another header on this page.

Hi. I notice I've been blocked because my IP Address has been used by a vandal. However, I can assure you I gave no involvement with this user --Burning Freebies 04:48, 26 October 2012 (PDT)

Have you...read up in this section? :< -Auron 14:17, 26 October 2012 (PDT)

Hilariously you added the banner after the ip edits got fixed. 86.186.88.133 14:28, 26 October 2012 (PDT)

They've been "fixed" about four times. I doubt they've gone away. -Auron 16:49, 26 October 2012 (PDT)

Mainpage

Thanks for updating it to the edit copy, unfortunately there is an extra "" at the end of the page that needs removing, also would you consider adding the usual code to Mediawiki:Common.css, i.e.

/* Holiday theme changes */
div#p-logo a { background-image: url(/images/7/77/User_Phnzdvn_Halloween_Logo_High_Res.png) !important; }

Which will change the gwwiki logo temporarily. Chieftain Alex 14:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: 216.66.*

I'd recommend blocking this particular vandal for 3-6 months with a range block on the 216.66.128.0/18 range. We've been dealing with this vandal on Wikia for over 2 years. Chances are pretty high he will be back. (That range only incurred like a 1% false positive despite blocking 16k IPs) — Rappy 17:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)