Talk:Kind of a Big Deal

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Max of maxed titles[edit] 00:11, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Confirmation that it I'm Very Important is the highest rank? Ears of the Woods 12:16, 19 February 2007 (PST)

Doesn't Supreme Defender of Ascalon count towards this too? Pepe talk 16:43, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
[1] Confirmation that I'm Very Important isn't the highest rank? Or at least it isn't the highest rank on the ArenaNet beta server. But it does show that we should expect KoaBD tier 5 to be My Apartment Smells of Rich Mahogany.-- 22:36, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
What's rank 4 then? -- Scourge User Scourge Spade.gif 22:45, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

For Refence tot tier 5: --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Ferahgo Blackblade .

Impossible. There are not 25 possible titles that can be maxed out. --User:AlbinobirdAlbinobird 13:11, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Rank 4 was pure speculation, but rank 5 IS 'My Apartment Smells of Rich Mahogany'. Testers of the Automater Tournament System were shown it. Marin Alacet 13:28, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Yes, but it was on a test server. It may or may not make it into the real game, and as for now, it is impossible, so it counts as speculation. --User:AlbinobirdAlbinobird 13:37, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
And your reason for removing it is also speculation. - Shield-Logo-Mini.gif Drago 21:04, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Defender of Ascalon and Survivor[edit]

I'd just like to note, it is possible to obtain both legendary survivor and defender of Ascalon, but it is very difficult. It involves having a very patient friend, who joins your party, goes and death-levels the monster, then you kill it. And so on. In the end you don't die at all (with skill) but you get exp from the monster. Your friend will have wasted many hours of his life however.

You can't deathlevel if you have someone in your party - you won't get ressurected. - MSorglos 11:47, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
You could if you resurrected them manually, using a hard res. Thus the title would in theory be possible, but only as a monk primary or secondary. Alaris 12:15, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Negative, there is no hard res in pre-searing, for anyone! --Lemming64 12:32, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Good point, I did not know that (even though my only Pro char was an E/Mo) 22:34, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Question, would it be possible to level up the enemies using pets? There is a resurrection skill for them. If it is possible to get a level 20 hero, then should it not also be possible to get a level 20 pet. It may take a great deal of time having someone level up enemies using pets, or you yourself level up the enemy, but it should be possible should it not. Thoughts?--Zemmy 15:15, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Pets don't give experience when slain, or don't give any after the first time. I can't remember which of those two is true, but I know one of them is. Survivor and LDoA are mutually exclusive. ~ Kailianna Firesoul 22:19, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
In the end, I never intend to achieve both titles, but I am still curious if it is feasible. Can we get confirmation that minions give no XP? In theory, you could raise minions from pet corpses, and use those to level up monsters. Res the pet, have it killed, and raise a new minion. Rince and repeat. It's getting insane, but hey, is it feasible? Alaris 14:55, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
It IS possible to achieve Legendary Survivor. Monk tome smuggled into Presearing = hard res. Lutz 22:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
(resetting indent) Monk Tome smuggled into Pre-searing? Unlikely. As far as I know, no one has smuggled anything into pre-searing in a while, far before Hard Mode. Furthermore, it would only work for someone with a monk primary or secondary obviously. Aquiring a smuggled Tome, and someone to die so you can resurrect them, even more unlikely. And finally... Being able to use a skill such as Resurrect, standing in one place for 5 seconds while you are close enough to a group of charr who want to eat you alive to resurrect someone over and over and NEVER die yourself? extremely unlikely. It's technically POSSIBLE if all these conditions are met, however due to the current inavailability of Tomes in pre-searing, time spent resurrecting your teammate constantly, and chances of surviving to level 20... make this not plausable in the least.

You'd have a better chance of Anet enabling Hard Mode in Pre-searing, Adding FoW and UW through the shrines in pre-searing, and aquiring Obsidian armor in pre-searing than your chances to achieve both titles are. 07:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually... I've seen quite a few monk tomes in presearing... not to mention Elite tomes. Have you ever played Presearing? Yes, of course, it'd require someone to be Mo/* or */Mo. Walk around in Pre Ascalon, and just shout for Monk tomes or go on a trading site and try to B> Monk tome. People are actually selling them. Sure, it might be hard to come by, but what title isn't? Besides, just one person needs to smuggle, and potentially any new character could get it (provided that the person helps them out). The LDoA+Survivor contender, the saccer, and the person with the hard res - all drop in and keep killing. Sure, it'll ruin some xp, but it's still possible. (also given that the person with the hard res feels like doing this) Lutz 18:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that the article should include dishonest methods of attaining both titles, except perhaps as a warning that you could get banned for it. Alaris 03:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Ranks 4 and 5[edit]

Someone added them back in, and I have already posted above the reason that I do not think they should be included. Should they be included? I don't think so, but someone else should remove Ranks 4 and 5 or give a good reason why we should keep them so I don't get into revert wars. --User:AlbinobirdAlbinobird 20:10, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

I've removed it and added a note to the page, until we can get official confirmation about level 4 and level 5 I don't think it belongs on the page. -- Scourge User Scourge Spade.gif 20:48, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
We have physical evidence, that is not photoshopped in any way, I know that myself and Blastedt can both authenticicate the title, as we we're in the beta servers for ATS, and asked the devs about it. - Shield-Logo-Mini.gif Drago 21:03, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Even so, it has not been implemented in the live servers yet and is impossible in the live servers, so it should not be included until it has both been implemented and is possible. --User:AlbinobirdAlbinobird 21:26, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
I think including them is misleading, as most people will see the table and not the notes. Arkhar 21:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

We have a picture of tier 5, does anyone have a picture of tier 4. -- Scourge User Scourge Spade.gif 20:28, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Does getting the final tier of this title require that you get either survivor or Legendary Defender of Ascalon? >.< Once Great King 19:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
No. There are 27 titles that are fairly quickly filled (26 if you don't get Surv. or LDoA), and at least 7 consumables-based titles and 2 more rep titles. Any 30 of all those titles will do. However, if you start from scratch, getting Survivor will save you quite a bit of time or gold in the long run. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 04:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

No cake, and no eating it[edit]

From the Notes section I have removed the sentences "It is statistically impossible to obtain the Golden and Wretched titles as of March, 2007. However, it is technically possible, just extremely unlikely" (emphasis mine). Well, which is it? Statements which are at once confusing, ambiguous, self-negating and utterly superfluous - welcome to the wonderful world of wikia :D User Fox.jpg Fox (talk|contribs) 05:39, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

It is not impossible in the sense of having a likelyhood of 0. However in normal language, people say impossible for stuff that has a likelyhood of 0.00000001 as well. Therefore it is impossible and not impossible at the same time, depending on what language level (normal or statisticians) you read at. --Xeeron 04:41, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
My point entirely. As Adolphe Quetelet possibly (statistically speaking :P) once said,"Let's not confuse readers of articles by speaking out of both ends simultaneously." :D User Fox.jpg Fox (talk|contribs) 05:31, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
Couldn't you lose 20,000 lockpicks for cursed by fate and retain 10,000 lockpicks for Blessed By Fate? Sure, it would cost you 20,000,000 to do just that exactly, but it is possible, and people have gotten the Grandmaster Treasure Hunter title Killer Revan 01:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Need confirmation that Legendary titles count towards this[edit]

Do the titles "Legendary Skill Hunter", "Legendary Guardian", "Legendary Vanquisher", and "Legendary Cartographer" independently count towards the maxed titles? That is, when I get 100% explored in all 3 continents, do I get 4 points towards maxed titles (1 for each continent, plus 1)? I'd want independent confirmation for each of those, and I don't expect anyone to know yet for Legendary Guardian or Legendary Vanquisher. Alaris 13:30, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

I can confirm this for Cartographer. My main char has 3 cartographer titles, 1 skillhunter (nightfall) and 1 protector (Prophecies). total of 6 titles maxed (with legendary Cartographer). - MSorglos 13:44, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Legendary Cartographer and Legendary Skill Hunter both do. Completing skill hunter and cartographer titles for each continent provides four maxed titles each. Lafayette 19:46, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
Legendary Guardian and Vanquisher both do -FireFox File:Firefoxav.png 23:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Possible synergy Gamer/Sweet Tooth[edit]

if u're too lazy to sell victory tokens like me, you could trade them in for sweets/alcohol. i hadn't consumed sweets at all until this past event and i'm a quarter of the way to 1st level which would otherwise cost me 50 plat. i know it's not the most cost efficient method b/c i could make more selling the tokens, but i'd rather play mini-games instead. -minor edit to title --Wongba 15:49, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Missed a few?[edit]

According to this, maxed titles can go higher than 30. Have we missed a few? Too tired to update, sry. Alaris 04:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

That refers to title tracks. Including the pvp titles (Hero, Champion, Commander, Gladiator, Gamer) its 31 + 5 = 36. They're probably all maxable at some point, but noone beside the odd fanatic is gonna bother doing that. The title track we're discussing here is also accounted for in the link, making 37.( 09:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC))

Yes, but are they maxable? From what I gleamed here and there, they don't appear maxable. Alaris 14:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Most PvP titles are not maxable at least not yet or they aren't meant to be maxed at least until GW2 is released.--Bane of Worlds (talkcontribs) 14:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The Hero title has been more or less confirmed to be maxed at (15), but it is of no use to implement any of the aforementioned pvp titles here, maxable or not. Reason: no player is even close at achieving the max in any pvp title, because of the sheer amount of effort involved. And if anyone were to attain one (a max pvp title), they certainly wouldn't have gotten it for the +1 on the maxed title track. For example: #1 guild Virtual Dragons have won 507 matches in the past six months; assuming 500 of those matches were 1200+ (the actual number is probably closer to 200-300 instead of 500) it would take 2 years to even get close to the King's Champion rank. Which hasn't been confirmed to be max. (For comparison: there are three levels past King's on the hero title track, which uses the same values x 10.)....The 193.67IP comment is my work pc. ;) ( 18:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC))
I'll put a comment to that effect. Also, I've re-edited the page to make the list physically shorter. Alaris 14:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems that at least one person has maxed the hero title, if you look on the discussion page. I belive they are all maxable, but its just stupid to try The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) at 06:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC).

Rank 6[edit]

Since there is a max of 31 maxed title would the 6th level be "I'm friends with Merlin Olson" since its part of the Quotes from Anchorman. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: .

This [2] indicates that the Rank is "God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals" --Keras Terune 22:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Ahh! They ruined it for not sticking to the Anchorman theme! They should have done "I'm friends with Merlon Olson" as the anon stated above. --- Raptors
It is still Anchorman theme, I believe r6 was a similar line used in some trailers for Anchorman 00:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Yea, after I said that I re-watched Anchorman and saw that line was in the movie. --- Warrior Raptors
But that's going backwards - this is from the perspective of any person who gets this high (Terra Xin 01:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC))

New ranks[edit]

Confirmation on I have Many Leather-Bound Books(4) anyone?--Insane Maestro 22:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes 5 confirmed by guildy with 23 titles so he can see next level, it is My Guild Hall and not My apartment as predicted. --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 22:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, we don't have apartments in GW, do we.:P I don't think r4 and 5 are good names either way, because, while they stick to the anchorman theme, they don't stick to names that imply greatness. Looks like I'll have to jump straight from r3 to r6. -- NecromancerArkhar 01:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree 4 and 5 aren't really good, 2 is a great title for this kind of title track, 1, 3 and 6 are good enough, 4 and 5 are just bad in my oppinion, references to all kinds of things can be fun but I think things should at least make sense and possibly have references, 4 and 5 just don't make sense in this title track. (And what about having the 5th title but not having a guild?) Etienne 14:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

New ranks from north[edit]

Does GW:EN maxed titles count?

Every maxed title from every game counts. --- Raptors
Can someone confirm this and/or add it to the wiki page please? --- Guest 04:51, 24 September 2007
They count. We just don't know the max for them yet (or at least, no one bothered to add it the wiki yet). -- sig 05:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, they probably will count, but as of now they are not maxable. Ranks (Asuran, Norn, etc) go up to 8 and then bounties are no longer available. Master of the North is also not maxable yet. The theory is that these titles will be maxable in hard mode, when it is available, much like the Lightbringer and Sunspear titles. Alaris 15:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I think they are maxable, because you could get the faction from the dungeon and hero books still? And maybe from playing poloymock for asuran? It would just take a looooong time. --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 23:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Did you try this? I'd hate & love to think that there would be a hard mode polymock!!!??!?!?! I don't believe that dungeon and hero books give enough points to go from rank 8 to 10. Alaris 14:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Hero books are not accepted once you are r8. --BlueNovember 17:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
HM hero books are. It's just the NM that arent

Removing the 1s[edit]

I removed the count of 1s from the "Available title tracks" section because I find them grammatically incorrect. That section is presented as a list, not a table calculating a total. Saying "4 allegiance or faction titles" and then putting individual 1s below it is incorrect. Saying "1 Holy Lightbringer" is tolerable but can be misconstrued as potentially having more than one. Saying "2 Lucky and Unlucky" is totally incorrect. And if those subsections are meant as a count, don't put in the GW:EN note there to muddle the count. I will leave the revert be until a later date, but I will reword the GW:EN note (ps: maxable is not a word). -- sig 05:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The GW:EN note was put there as these titles are likely maxable, or soon to be maxable, but have not been maxed yet. As for the numbers, I think a compromise can be reached, I personally think they are informative for those you want to know where the numbers come from. But then again, it should be fairly obvious anywhere there's a 1, so removing those would be ok. We could also add a column, for example:
  • 2: Lucky and Unlucky
  • 1: Holy Lightbringer
What do you say? Alaris 15:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
The GW:EN note is already at the top actually, so I feel there's no need to make the list longer than necessary. As for the numbers, I really feel they're unnecessary simply because a list already implies a count. There's no need to say 1, 1, 1, 1, when there are obviously 4 list items. But putting the colon there is better than not having a colon I suppose. Might as well use an ordered list in that case. -- sig 04:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed with the GW:EN note. As for the numbers, I'm happy to leave it to democracy. I vote for columns. Alaris 14:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I changed the lucky/unlucky line to be two different bullet points. The titles are separate ingame, no need to confuse readers here just because the titles are on the same wiki page. Also removed numbers (since I feel witht the lucky issue resolved they are no longer needed), but feel to put them back. --Xeeron 14:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Alaris 01:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

About rank 6......[edit]

Is it the last rank? (Jope12 17:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

Don't know. -- sig 07:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

i can count 35 maxable titles (survivor and ldoa mutualy excluding each other) + pvp titles, i guess a rank7 is needed as someone in the long wait to guild wars 2 will reach that point

35? Last I checked, it was 30 (see main page). PvP are not known to be maxable, and GW:EN are not yet maxable. However, when GW:EN hard mode comes out, it will be 35. Alaris 18:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
35 counting eotn ofc. hard mode comes soonish so for 2 years till gw2 ppl will have 35 titles to max
That's what I said. But the policy is to wait till it's implemented before we document it. Alaris 13:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

r6 is maxed at the moment.[edit]

11231.JPG Menzies 06:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Dude, you play too much :-) Chriskang 13:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Indeed :D and I wish I had more time to play too. -- sig 00:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
So, what are the 30 titles (no need to list them all, list the bundles when applicable, e.g. Legendary Cartographer). Alaris 03:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Pretty much everything I guess. On the screenshot, you can see that he has max lucky so he probably has unlucky too. That's 2 titles. Add survivor + all guardians (7) all carto (4) all vanq (4) all skills (4) + LB/SS + drunkard + sugary + treasure + wisdom and you get only 28 titles. So I bet he maxed 2 other GWEN titles during the double reward week-end and he'll probably max the 3 others soon, giving him 33 titles... Maybe even 34 if he's a AB junky (savior). Chriskang 14:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Could be, except for the PvP title, they are not known to be maxable at the moment. Alaris 15:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The pvp title you refer to can be maxed....I see at least savior of X everyday 23:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
it would be nice to see a pic of HoM statue and the Honor section at r6, on the HoM page...Killer Revan 01:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
You see saviors everyday? Really? Nice... Perhaps I should try and max that one. BTW, savior is not just a PvP title, as there are lots of PvE ways to get it. So I take back that it can't be maxed (which it can), but I stick with PvP-only titles are not known to be maxable at the moment. Alaris 20:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Do you get a maxed title for maxing this title? Rhydeble 15:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe but it would not make a difference (see the screenshot) 00:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Menzies has kurz savior and treasure/wisdom/drunk/sweet tooth iirc, and 2 of the EotN titles (norn + dwarf?). Could get 33 with Asura, Master of the North and Vanguard heh. — Skuld 01:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if GWAMM and/or LDoA will yield anything special in Guild wars 2 as they are rather special titles. It shows dedication to the game so a token of appriciation in Guild Wars 2 would be nice =D -- Nox Coma 08:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Easiest / Cheapest titles to maximize.[edit]

I posted that in the unoffical wiki article. I'll say it here too, because its something I want to share and also see if people have better ideas. SO: Here are the easiest / cheapest titles that you can max by order (step by step). This list is based on my opinions and I will be glad to hear comments if one disagrees.

  • Protector of Cantha (1)
  • Protector of Elona (2)
  • Protector of Tyria (3)
Recommended and saves time to master the missions the first time you do them.

  • Sunspear (4)
  • Lightbringer (5)
By properly farming in The Sulfurous Wastes.

Kind Of A Big Deal (1) attained.

  • Elonian Cartographer (6)
  • Canthan Cartographer (7)
  • Tyrian Cartographer (8)
  • Legendary Cartographer (9 auto)
Easy to attain if using Texmod.

  • Tyrian Elite Skill Hunter (10)

People Know Me (2) attained.

  • Canthan Elite Skill Hunter (11)
  • Elonian Elite Skill Hunter (12)
  • Legendary Skill Hunter (auto 13)
Total cost: 290Platinum and 194 skill points (considering the exp gained from capturing a skill).

  • Guardian of Cantha (14)
  • Guardian of Elona (15)

I'm Very Important (3) attained.

  • Guardian of Tyria (16)
  • Legendary Guardian (17 auto)

  • Deldrimor (18)
  • Norn (19)
  • Ebon Vanguard (20)

I Have Many Leather-Bound Books (4) attained.

  • Asura (21)
Recommended to fill Hero's Handbooks (Either in Hard Mode or Normal Mode).

  • Canthan Vanquisher (22)
  • Elonian Vanquisher (23)
  • Tyrian Vanquisher (24)
  • Legendary Vanquisher (auto 25)
Recommended to Caravan vanquish when possible.

My Guild Hall Smells of Rich Mahogany (5) attained.

  • Master of the North (26)

  • Drunkard (27)
Total cost: ~1000Platinum.

  • Sweet Tooth (28)
Total cost: ~2000Platinum.
  • Wisdom (29)

  • Treasure Hunter (29)
Total cost: ~4800Platinum.

Special Titles:

  • Legendary Defender of Ascalon
Exclusive to tyrian characters. Impossible to attain after leaving pre-searing. Mutually exclusive with Legendary Survivor.
  • Survivor
Impossible to attain after first dying with your character. Mutually exclusive with Legendary Defender of Ascalon.

There are more attainable titles. The rest of them though are Account-based titles and are VERY hard to maximize. --Lefy Piyero 22:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Caravan vanquish? Please explain! Also, thanks for the price estimates, is there any good way to bring those prices down? Alaris 15:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
If you buy sweets of of players for 100g per point around festivals you can bring the price of sweet tooth down to 1000 plat, or obviously if you farm them yourself during festivals that will save money too. --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 15:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
The luxon/kurzick titles are not hard to max. Boring, maybe, but much easier that several of the above. The same goes for lucky/unlucky (especially when doing treasure hunter as well). The only "real" very hard to max titles are the purely PvP ones. --Xeeron 15:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be more constructive if we instead made a table of the titles, the costs, the time estimates, the skills needed, and a last column for comments. Time estimates would not take into account the amount of preparation time, such as getting the plat required. Skills needed would indicate if you need to perform in hard mode, in PvP, etc. Alaris 18:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, if you're going for a high KoaBD level, it is best to combine titles instead of doing them one at a time. For example, I started with survivor + skill hunter (partial; skills captures that are along the way) + protector (only easier missions), then vanquish + cartography + more skill hunter + sunspear + lightbringer (partial) + protector (required missions to access the areas to vanquish & map), complete lightbringer, then all 5 EotN titles... This saves you a lot of time in the long run. Alaris 18:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
That sort of information doesn't really belong in this article, it would be better as something like Guide to maxing titles. --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 21:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
If making a whole new article for that... better move the synergies part from the main article. And by the way, thanks for the replies. I really didn't check was is harder... maxing kurz/lux titles or maxing a wisdom. And yes, its true that different titles require different things; Skills/Money/Time. I tried to put those 3 together and get an average 'easiest' titles. Edit: Before I forget. For more information about caravan vanquishing: [3] --Lefy Piyero 00:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
The new articles is coming out nicely, I think. Comments or changes appreciated. Specifically, I've also added a part suggesting the order the titles should be obtained. Alaris 16:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Well there is a new title : "Life of the Party" and it's relatively easy to attain. So 30 titles are within reach

What do you mean the cartography titles are easy to attain if using texmod? i dont get how that would make it easier. Pendulous Assassin 07:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)--

Texmod (with cartography packs) simply shows on the map very clearly which areas you missed, so you can go there to map them. The hardest part of cartography is figuring out what you've missed. But getting there is relatively easy, much easier and faster than vanquishing for example. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 14:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No such thing as more optimal :/[edit]

Corrected the Allegiance and Survivor text-it said "more optimal".Aint no such thang as "more optimal".Its either optimal or not optimal. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Monolito (talk).

Yep. But I still don't understand that sentence... >.< -- sig 00:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I really like that our friend, Monolito, in attempting to correct the grammar of another user, has used a double negative, "Aint no", rendering his/her own statement incorrect. Sryan40 17:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
He also said "thang." --'Mai Yi' talk 17:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Highest Rank?[edit]

Following the pattern the ranks go in, you get a new rank for every 5 maxed titles. Now that it is confirmed there are 35 titles that can be maxed, wouldn't it be logical to assume a seventh rank?Johnathan Allen 22:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

See the third section above your new section titled "r6 is maxed at the moment" -- User Sig.png 06:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions for Rank 7 and 8[edit]

  • Rank 7 - "How Do You Kill That Which Has No Life?"
  • Rank 8 - "Mom! Bathroom!"

Don't sue me okay? :) Targetdrone 13:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

comedy central will :p lussh 13:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
gonna love that r7 idea <3 (though i don't hate ppl that are going to get this, in oppose, such ppl have a lot of endurance) —ZerphatalkThe Improver 17:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
well but i doubt it as it wouldn't suit to the title naming (always refering to the Anchorman movie) —ZerphatalkThe Improver 13:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
As the ranks all are from the Anchorman movie, how about "I am very professional" for r7? - User FirstSunspear icon.png FirstSunspear /// Talk 11:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Laughed hard at rank eight, it fits so nicely. --UserZathicSig.PNGZathic 22:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Rank 7 - "By the beard of Balthazar!" ("By the beard of the Zeus!"-line from the Anchorman) Frosty

koabd bonus[edit]

This just reminded me of the following title advantage: The ability to take out more than one Minipet at the same time.

Rank Title Name Simultaneously
showable Minis
1 Kind Of A Big Deal 1
2 People Know Me 2
3 I'm Very Important 2
4 I Have Many Leather-Bound Books 3
5 My Guild Hall Smells of Rich Mahogany 3
6 God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals 4

What would you think about it? I didn't ponder yet whether this should be affected by the 20 minipets per dis cap or not. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 13:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Drool. Yeah, I really like this. Not game-breaking, but a nice incentive to get to rank 6. (pls, no rank 7, ever). -- Alaris_sig Alaris 15:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The mini cap thing is more of a load issue, so that kind of thing requires some technical knowledge of the game, but it is a nice idea :) --LemmingUser Lemming64 sigicon.png 15:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
If this could be achieved technically (not saying it can't), I think it will be a great feature.--UserZathicSig.PNGZathic 22:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it's a great idea. -- User Sig.png 03:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
They already limit the amount of minipets in districts, they wouldn't impliment this without thinking of increasing the amount of minis, which would cause a lot of lag I think, which is why they limit it.--Ʀєʟʟɑ 06:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
It mostly affects those using lower spec machines, due to the additional rendering overhead, that's why they limit it. Increasing the number of minis per character does not require the total number of minis to be increased - it just means that you can bring out multiple minis. -- User Sig.png 01:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Do Lucky / Unlucky / Zaishen titles need to be maxed?[edit]

All the titles on the 'Available title tracks' list shows a maxed-out level, EXCEPT for these: Lucky, Unlucky, Zaishen (all account-wide). Is this just a miswrite, or intentional?

If they are suppoesd to list maximum-levels for these too, then it should read "Blessed by Fate", "Cursed by Fate", and "Legendary Hero of the Zaishen".

Or am I lucky, and won't have to open 10000 chests for the level-6 luck title, and the level-2 "Lucky" title will count towards KofBD?

I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks... thanks! =D ShadowfaxSTF 22:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they need to be maxed as well. It took me a while to see where your confusion came from, so let me go and fix it (it's that way from previous wordings of that part). -- User Sig.png 07:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


Ok, if the PvP titles are too high for max, why isn't this? Who can say they have rank 6 or higher? thats just over 1/25th of the title, barely anyone has that, so chances are people are not going to have rank 12. Ok, so there's the 1v1 and GvG proffesionals who spend evey minute they can in tournaments. I say this should be like the rest of the PvP titles. Lt Death 10:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll put these titles separately as maxable but beyond normal reach. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 14:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
1 PvP and PvP/PvE titles. Note that these titles are currently either not maxable or their ceilings are too high to be considered for ranks in the Maxed titles. - I find this wording for the Zaishen Keys title confusing. Will this count toward KoaBD if someone reaches the top level? Please can this be clarified on the article page. Thanks in advance. -- josəph 07:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I think it's meant to say "we don't know". But it seems rather unnecessary to even say that... just put that comment in the notes section or on that title page instead. Personally, I find all the PvP titles "beyond normal reach" :D -- User Sig.png 07:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. I agree with you regarding PvP titles! LOL -- josəph 07:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The Kurzick and Luxon allegiance titles are pretty high, but much easier to max than any other PvP based title. Imbagon
lets give this a good thought for a min. to max Zaishen you need 100,000 pts, 5 pts per key 250 keys per stack. thats 100,000/5/250=80 so you need 80 stacks of zkeys to get this title. Lets take for example, i have a friend who runs dungeons in EotN and can roll in about 100k an hour or 20 keys per hour at 5k per key, which would take him 12.5 hours to farm for one stack of zkeys. So 80 stacks muliplied by 12.5 hours per stack is 1000 hours of nonstop 100k per hour farming, this is not beyond normal reach, its beyond reach.... for anyone who does not dupe or hack this title is without exception impossible. period. ( . )
Not to mention that 100k an hour is pretty high-end income for PvE. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 14:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
bleh. not very hard to do, imo. running shards of orr HM yields 50k every 50 minutes. /shrug --Uchiha Lena 13:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Power selling may give even more. Not to mention how we have plenty of time - one year has 8760 hours, and given how this title was introduced in May of 2008, if GW2 is released in May of 2010 (which is unlikely, it will probably be later than that), you would have had 17520 hours to max it. One could say this title cannot be maxed in a couple days, but we have far more than that available to us. Erasculio 13:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Running Shards of Orr is high-end PvE IMO. And it's still not 100k per hour. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 14:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


I think SS/LB/Treasure Hunter/Wisdom are a good synergy because there is a chest in the margonite temple every time you go there as far as i know --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Tearh (talk).

It's a fairly long trek for just 1 chest. How many chests on average if you include the whole trek? -- Alaris_sig Alaris 19:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Margonite temple? -- User Sig.png 08:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
According to [this farming guide], you get 2+ chests. Good to bring lockpicks while farming those points, but you should be done maxing LB well before TH/W. I've added it in. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 16:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I was basically asking what that "Margonite temple" is referring to. Is the temple filled with monoliths in the Sulfurous Wastes or is the temple in the Realm of Torment. I guess your reply means the former then. -- User Sig.png 03:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

IMO Cartography/Vanquish/Treasure/Lucky/wisdom/drunkard go well together (drunk if you use drunk based skills). The drunkard may be far fetched but if i can stretch it to that for myself other can too. (Ixillius)

Revising synergies...[edit]

Perhaps the list of synergies is becoming too "complete". I think we should only include (a) those that provide good progress on all concerned titles (i.e. vanquish and treasure hunter don't synergize because treasure hunt drops to a crawl), and (b) only include those titles that are not prohibitively long to fill up (i.e. gamers). What do you all think? -- Alaris_sig Alaris 02:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest removing...
  • Allegiance, Activity, Skill Hunter: like mentioned above, way too time consuming this way.
  • Allegiance and Survivor: there are far more reliable ways of earning experience.
  • Gamer & Sweet tooth/Drunkard/Party animal: Gamer cannot be maxed...
Erasculio 02:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
was this done? and dose this still need to be done after the big title update? 22:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

rename page?[edit]

i was wondering if we could rename the page to KOaBD maxed titles i only suggest this change because when this title is talked about people normally refer to it as koabd. 22:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

There is already a redirect from Koabd.- TheRave talk (talk) 23:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

GWAMM counts for GWAMM?[edit]

Even if it's true, you can't max GWAMM in order to max GWAMM, so I removed that comment. It could be added as a note, but otherwise it's more confusing than useful. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 18:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Quote: It is possible to attain a confirmed total of 38 completed title tracks on a character. (39 if you ignore mutual exclusivity) – This is incorrect. You're not maxing GWAMM to get GWAMM like I think you read the edit. Basically GWAMM is counted as a maxed title, so there are 39 (40) possible. I tried to make it clear, so maybe the article needs a little note or paragraph about it? – josəph 19:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
GWAMM is a maxed title. However it does not go towards the GWAMM title itself. When you achieve GWAMM (maxed), you do not suddenly get 31 maxed titles. I think that is what he is trying to say, I agree it should be clarified, perhaps in the words I just wrote? Gladiator Motoko 09:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
When I get GWAMM, I'll see what happens. But until then, we have to rely on ppl that have GWAMM. Does it count or not? If not, then the original formulation is fine. If it counts, when this new one is more accurate. Either way, you can't use it towards *getting* GWAMM, so it's not worth more than a note at the end of the page. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 14:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I have it, and it doesn't count obviously. 17:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Rank 7 Needed[edit]

I have maxxed 35 titles as of today. Can we get an R7 please ? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Please, no. Some of us enjoy "completing" the game, and with 35 maxed titles, that's way too much farming for not enough gain. It also makes it impossible to pick & choose our titles because with 35, you don't have enough alternatives... Unless you add 5 quest-related titles. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 21:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Why are alternative titles needed? If there are 35 titles to max, then something should be displayable for it. If you don't want to grind out 35 titles, more power to you. 21:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Because past 31 titles, it gets annoyingly grindy. Moreso than the reputation titles. If you do no PvP, you must max out the 20 mission, exploration and skill hunter titles, the 8 affiliation ranks, and the 7 activity titles. One can be switched with Zaishen if that is wanted to be maxed. But, unless you intend to spend three years farming the title, there are no alternatives, and not everyone wants to run chests, spend lots of money, or afk a dozen plus weekends. If you do, then fine. I personally would love a rank 7 titled "The Legend of <character name>" - however, I would only agree with it if they added Adventurer titles for quests (including a Legendary Adventurer) which would add 4 titles not including Eye of the North. Besides, just because there are 35 maxable titles, doesn't mean you need to max them to "beat the game." -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 21:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Add five more quest titles if you must, and add two more tiers for KoaBD. The point of KoaBD is to show off how dedicated to GW you are. If you choose to not dedicate yourself to Lucky/Unlucky, Treasure or Wisdom, then IMO you should only show a KoaBD that's second best. 22:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
No, please, no. I'm aiming for GWAMM because that's as far to completion as I can get in this game. Yet those grind titles will truly be the death of me. If it's upped to 35, without giving us other options to complete titles.... --Arduinna talk 22:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I have 35 titles without Survivor or LDoA. My title should be "I am at peace with the grind". Zoning to Kamadan and counting 25 other GWAMMs is disheartening. Absolut 22:14, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
After nearly 4 years of people playing the game, you're disheartened that GWAMM is more common now? Then next year, Rank 7 will be common, and you'll want rank 8. And it will continue that way until GW2 comes out. It'll be an endless, pointless, cycle. And @IP, due to the HoM and the "rewards" for GW2, people are grinding in hopes of something good (which will be crushed more than likely, as the bonuses shouldn't be that advancing). If people go after GWAMM, but have no interest in the HoM - they do it because they have nothing better to do. It's not so much "dedication to the game" as it is boredom in probably many cases. Yes, they could go play another game, but some people don't for their e-buddies, and others don't have interest in other games (like myself). In short, not everyone going after GWAMM is dedicated to the game per se, so don't clump those who have GWAMM, or are after it, in one group. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 22:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This thread was started because anonymous hit 35 titles and wants something to show for it. The entire reasoning behind KoaBD is to show off how many titles a character has achieved. If there are enough titles to hit a possible r7, then there's no reason to not expand KoaBD to accomodate that. Others in this thread see GWAMM as an "ending" to the game, but there is no end to it. As someone who hit GWAMM a week after EotN, I can tell you there are no angelic voices and rainbows when you get 30 titles. The game won't be over, and, quite frankly, the only other thing to do is start a GWAMM on another character, or continue to grind to 35. Absolut 23:00, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

"The game won't be over, and, quite frankly, the only other thing to do is start a GWAMM on another character, or continue to grind to 35." That is why it's considered "over" - on the same character, there is not much to do. Besides, to add a Rank 7 would also require more work on the HoM. As the KoaBD title is connected to the large floating statue there. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 04:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Guild Wars is a progressive game. There are only storyline endings, not character endings. As more players achieve 30 titles, the need for an R7 will continue to rise. If you have no interest in furthering your titles, that's fine. The beauty of titles is that beyond a small few, they serve no purpose in the game other than vanity. You have no obligation to grind to 35. Those that have chosen to, however, should be rewarded for that accomplishment. Absolut 12:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The reason why most titles max out reasonably soon is that people need to feel that they've accomplished something. If the long-term goal is too long-term, they give up, they get fed up, or they spend themselves into getting those. I think GWAMM is addictive enough, no need to make it longer. Too much IS too much. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 21:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Admittedly, it's not for everyone. It doesn't need to be. If there were a R7, there'd be nothing wrong with stopping at R6 GWAMM - you aren't required to get the max. R6 would still say that you've achieved quite a bit. I think that once your character is at GWAMM, you'll feel differently, but the game has waited long enough for you to catch up. Absolut 22:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The point isn't whether I can catch up, in fact, I have... but whether I'd want R7 in the game. If it was added, I'd feel compelled to complete it... but right now, I'd much rather be spending time actually playing instead of farming for the next 5 titles. So unless they also add 5 titles based on quests (or some other thing that is fun to do), I'd much rather that they leave it alone. If they add 4 quest titles, on per game, I'd be reasonably happy to get myself 1 more farm title. But if they put r7 with no added achievement titles, I'll be upset. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 15:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
You'll be upset about being compelled to play the game in a way that you don't feel is entertaining? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day. Absolut 17:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The KoaBD title track inherently gives the player a reward for diversifying their experience in Guild Wars. However, the limit of 30 titles rather than 35 allows the player some customization with their experience. If they are Really not interested in a specific title, then aren't forced to achieve it in order to get GWAMM. Increasing this title to r7 would force anyone wanting the title to do almost every single title in the game with very little customization to their specific interests. How does that get fun? Blood Red Giant 17:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Precisely. I liked how MotN was achievable without doing everything. I skipped a vanquish because I got bored of those. Others skipped a dungeon because that got too frustrating. I love how MotN gave you that option. Same with GWAMM, right now, we have options. Don't take that awawy. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 01:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting it's fun at all. In fact, I'll say it's expensive, time consuming, stressful, and downright boring at times. Much like R15 Hero, it's a long, painful road that not many players are capable or willfull enough to journey down. But for those that have chosen to play out their Guild Wars experience in this fashion, asking for another tier to a pre-existing title isn't asking too much. Like R15 /rank, it's all about vanity. I've travelled the hard path to 35 titles, and I've waited almost a year and a half for the hope of an R7 KoaBD. To dismiss the idea of R7 simply because you don't want to spend the time grinding is absurd to those that have already done it. Absolut 18:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Where does it end tho... even tho I am max on EOTN titles I keep getting extra points in those titles too... does that mean that those titles should be expanded to reflex my extra points in their maxes? I mean well for you... but you already get the vanity of displaying any title you have maxed at their maxed rank... I don't even bother with many titles anymore because of the stupidly high requirements to attain them (in real world hours spent at the machine) also another tear would require a recode in the HoM wouldn't it? to make the max title glowy thingy even super duperer? 18:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
A maxed title is a maxed title. Existing titles wouldn't need to change to accomodate an R7 KoaBD. As for coding the HoM's glowy thing - we have no idea even what the glowy thing is. It serves less purpose than Mursaat Tokens Absolut 19:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
But if you applied the same idea to other titles you could effectivly never max the survivor title... People could easily obtain EXP above the required max... Or should Sweet Tooth, Drunk, or any other titles also be increased? Let the limits be set and then keep them set... A change in the max for this title should only apply if now titles are added IMHO... 19:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
You may not remember, but there have been other KoaBD "max" ranks before. As they've added content, and by extention new titles, the KoaBD ranks have been increased. While there has been only one new title, Zaishen, there have been sweeping changes to titles previously thought out of reach. Wisdom and Treasure are now account wide, later this month there will be a week long nine rings for Lucky/Unlucky. Kurzick and Luxon Saviors can be achieved in less than a week thanks to Vanquishing. Like it or not, the landscape for acheivable titles has changed enough to warrant an extention to KoaBD. Absolut 19:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Anet continues to try and reduce grind in Guild Wars. Increasing this to R7 would reward title grind. Holding these two statements to be true, Anet will not increase the maximum of this title to R7. If you want to be rewarded for grind, this game isn't for you. Blood Red Giant 19:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
PvE titles attributing to skill effectiveness is the first in a long line of increased grind that Guild Wars has implemented. Dungeons that were created to be repeatable, monsters in high level areas dropping rare items, having faction competitions to own outposts; all inspire repeating a task for an eventual reward. This isn't a knock on Guild Wars - all RPGs are grind - however, don't pretend to think grind isn't rewarding. Grind or no grind, these comments are about titles, and R7 KoaBD to be specific. By making the more difficult titles easier to obtain, the number of GWAMMs have decreased the value of the title, leading to a desire for a new level. Absolut 20:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

titles destroyed the game, removing them would be a better option than adding more. stop lying to yourselves, christ. -Auron >8< 01:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

(1) WTS GWAMM 100k+xx Zkeys. (2) All right, let's not get carried away now... Some love titles, some hate them. But the way I see it, a little bit of title is a good thing, too much is grind. Where you cut that off is really up to personal preference. (3) There being many GWAMMs doesn't diminish the value in any way, they all had to do the work. (4) Account-wide TH & W were good things, accept it and move on. And that really didn't diminish the *work* needed for those titles... I know. (5) Luck/Unluck are important gold sinks. (6) People have suggested increasing the max on sweets etc... I don't think so. (7) Kurz & Luxon done in a week of vanquishes is great, it's much better than being done in a month of HFFF. Think about it. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 01:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I didn't bother reading everything here because I'm too lazy to do so so I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but what if having 35 titles maxed was a completely separate title. That way you still have choices to make for getting GWAMM but if you get 35 titles maxed you have something to show for it. It won't be a r7, it'll just be a completely separate title, much like the Protector or Guardian titles that have just that 1 rank to them, which is the max one. Daeheru 02:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, if some of you don't want to go for 35 titles, it's no reason to deny people who did the appropriate reward for it. If you don't like titles: ignore them! But accept that other players like them! They didn't ruin the game at all because you do not have to max them to play it! And besides... who would really say "please remove all AdH ranks above 9 because I'm not willing to invest that much time to max it!". If you don't get 35 titles you either are not interested in it or not worth it. That simple. BuffyS 08:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Ray of Light[edit]

The page states that the 'Ray of Light' coming from the valor monument's head is only present once reaching rank 5 (25 maxed titles), but I have 21 maxed titles and my monument is displaying the 'Ray of Light' already. Does the page need changing or has something gone terribly wrong? I have a screenshot with my hero window and the ray showing, but not a clue how to embed it onto here.

Where does it talk about the 'Ray of Light'? Also, if you're looking at the picture, it's important to note that the picture only shows ranks 0 through 5. Ranks 5 and 6 have the same display. Thus, in the picture, the first time the 'Ray' appears is the second to last frame which corresponds to r4 (20-24 maxed titles). Blood Red Giant 00:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I have rank 4, and what I see on my Monument of Honor is what you see in the far right picture; supposedly rank 5. The one with the blue beam of light coming from the statue's face. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).
Maybe this was fixed? We'll need more people to voice out on this to see if the pic is now no longer accurate. -- User Sig.png 06:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm currently r3, but it's going to be a while before I increase any more in rank (I plan on jumping from r3 to r6 in one day). However, if the issue still isn't addressed by then, I'll attempt to take new screenshots for r3-r6. Blood Red Giant 21:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
It is accurate. Having a full Hall of Monuments will raise the appearance of the Honor Monument by 1 rank. See Talk:%22Honor%22#Beacon_of_Light. It is also documented in the other wiki. --Zora 13:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

How many have 35 maxed[edit]

I'm curious how many ppl have 35 maxed titles?Azwildbill 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

That's something only ArenaNet can answer. -- User Sig.png 00:48, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I think what he wanted was to ask for any people who had 35 titles maxed to respond here, although i dont think its many C4K3 User C4K3 Signature.jpg Talk 19:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Working on it on my necro. Still need 100K unlucky and 2500 party pts. ( 11:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC))
You know, I'm not entirely sure that being able to display 35 maxed titles is really something to aspire to. It'd be like showing the world your dedication to memorising the phone book. I like titles and title chasing, but it gets just a bit ridiculous beyond 25 or so. -- Hong 11:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I got 26 titles maxed but i gave up, they got boring :p I wil probably max the rest when i have some free time to burn up, just so i can say (I have that title) T1Cybernetic User T1Cybernetic Glob of Ectoplasm.png 11:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
30 maxed, 2 in the works but I may not max them. I really don't see a point of maxing more than this, unless I have lots of gold and I don't know what to do with it. But I'm not about to farm for it. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 19:46, 17 August 2009
I don't have 35 title maxed, but one of my guildmates just confirmed Source of Wisdom for the 7th title: see here I think the table should be updated to reflect the seven possible titles. ceolstan 18:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


He maxed the wisdom title. see here -- Alaris_sig Alaris 15:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) 35 maxed titles here. -- 06:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and 36 if you count Legendary Surivor. I do not have it because my Warrior was created before it was released but it is a title I would have definately aquired (heck, I have LS across 11 differents toons as it is :\) so in the end I consider myself as having that title on my main. Meh... -- 06:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I have maxed 35 titles on my Ele, and I definitely want an R7 title :) My Rit is now @26 Titles and will definitely also get 35 BuffyS 08:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I think I heard Motoko Kai has 42 max titles on his ele. 22:23, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

No secondary[edit]

Alright, I was wondering if anyone has tried to get GWAMM without a secondary, just for the fun of it. I wanna try it w/ my new para, If you max all the titles without going through the nf storyline (thus not obtaining a secondary) there are 31 to max... If you use tomes to get the skill hunter track...Ζεφ 17:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

nvm... I was being really dense... I'd only be able to use para skills so skill hunters is outta there... making only 27 maxable titles w/o a second... the only way to max this title track w/o a second would be to max the gamer, gladiator, champion, and codex titles along with all others... well... its a goal anyway...Ζεφ 20:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Problems with that. For one: You can't get to ANY other lands or progress in any of the games w/out a secondary. And Two: to get Leg-Skill hunter you have to be able to switch proffesions.
Actually you can get to other continents without a second profession. Just make a NF char and get a ferry to docks and get farried to LA or KC. So then you can't max any NF titles so thats 10 more titles you cant get (ss/lb, prot of elona, guardian of elona, elona vq, elona cart, legendary guardian, legendary vq, legendary cart) Daeheru 18:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Interesting idea, but I don't think it is attainable. Correcting the above, you could get Sunspear maxed out by Vanquishing the Istan areas repeatedly. However, still too many character based titles would be unnatainable: Legend Guardian/VQ/Skill/Carto (4), Elona Prot/Guardian/VQ/Skill/Carto (5), Cantha/Tyria Skill (2), Lightbringer (1), total of 12 character based titles lost, which is just too much too give up. Assuming you got Legendary Survivor, you'd be stuck at 18 character based titles. Considering there is a total of 12 account wide title tracks at the moment (if I remember correctly), you'd need to max out all of them for a GWAMM. Rank 4 KoABD is doable (18 char based + 2 account). Rank 5 would be hard but also possible (7 account based titles - Lucky, Unlucky, Treasure, Wisdom, Kurzick, Luxon, one more - possibly Zaishen). For GWAMM, you'd need the final 5 - Champion, Hero, Gladiator, Codex, Gamer (Commander is discontinued and no one has it maxed). So yeah, it is so extreme I'd say it is impossible to GWAMM a secondary-less NF character under the current title system. --Sensei 13:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
As it stands, there are officially 29 titles (including the gamer, gladiator, and codex which are apparently next to impossible to max) that can be attained w/o a secondary profession... So, yeah, it's impossible... for now... but if they add a single new title track, I'ma go for it. There really is no purpose in it, but I figure I can Kilroy my way to Legendary survivor... and go from there...Ζεφ 21:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


So there are two synergy sections in the article, not sure how exactly to consolidate, ideas? Lyra ValoUser Lyra Valo Sig.jpg 18:39, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Rainbow Phoenix acquisition[edit]

For consistency's sake, I thought I'd note that this article says something different about acquiring a rainbow phoenix than the page on the pet itself does. 00:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Good eye! I've changed both pages to better match what we see in similar articles. Please consider contributing yourself next time you spot something like this.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Recent changes[edit]

I've made a number of recent changes. This summarizes the reasons and the types of things altered:

  • Renamed sections: several section names didn't match their contents.
  • Rephrased or added section intros: similarly, some sections had misleading intros (or none at all)
  • Regrouped advice: general advice was mixed with specific advice; I put it in one place
  • Re-ordered advice: I moved the advice in the guide around: general advice is now first, followed by the quick 30 method, after which come the gory details informing both those sections (evaluation of titles and synergies). Those are, essentially, appendices to the main guide.
  • Removed duplicate synergy section: I removed the bulleted synergy section; it duplicated the table found in the guide. (The table looked slightly easier to read.)
  • Removed the alternative quick 30 method: I removed a second suggested method for achieving titles quickly; this was probably the most controversial of the changes.
    • This suggestion provided no rationale for why it was better than any other system.
    • It also failed to provide a rationale for the particular order and somewhat contradicted the general advice (e.g. farm for reputation after other titles that help reach the same goal).
    • Finally, roughly the same ideas are available by looking at either/both of the tables: synergies & evaluation of the titles.

Obviously, everyone who heads for GWAMM is going to have their own approach that works for how they like to play. However, the point of the guide is not to provide all of our favorite methods. It already reduces the amount of research the player needs to do, identifies the easier titles, and highlights which titles should be pursued together. Providing one example of a quick 30 seems sufficient, to me.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 10:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Does the zoning method for Drunkard title track still work?[edit]

I've been testing this out and it seems it doesn't work for me. Has it been working for anyone else? If not, should the link on the page be removed?

Title requirement evaluation: Duration[edit]

Short, medium, and long are very subjective words to describe the time it takes to achieve a title. Some players are excellent farmers, power traders, or able to run successfully to decrease the time spent on each title. Others are old school and need more time to complete what seems like an easy title to someone else. In an effort to standardize the duration part of the evaluation section, I've used the rubric below.

  • Short: the title can be easily spammed, there are substantial shortcuts available to everyone, or it can be done easily while playing through the game (without too many other considerations). Obvious example: Sweet Tooth. Less obvious: Protector (as you play the game).
  • Medium: some grind is necessary, but there are shortcuts that a lot of people can manage. Some veterans will manage these titles as fast as short, but most players will need to be more careful. Obvious examples: EotN reputation (turning in books isn't as fast as Sweet Tooth, but it's not crazy). Less obvious: Survivor (Not everyone is a Vaettir farmer, but it shouldn't take anyone committed to it that long.)
  • Long: grind required and few true shortcuts available. Obvious examples: Kurz/Lux, Wisdom. Less obvious Zaishen rank (you could buy a lot of keys, but that takes so much cash that some serious grind is required)

My goal is to allow folks unfamiliar with the details of maxing titles a sense of which they might be able to manage more quickly and which will take a long time no matter what they do.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Official name[edit]

It seems that the official name of this rank is not Maxed titles rank (name of this article) but Kind of a Big Deal. It can be concluded from the phrase in the description of "Honor" monument:
<Character name> has reached the rank of <rank name> in the Kind of a Big Deal title track. --Slavic 16:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

KoaBD is also the name used in the Hero panel (default key: H). (What was ANet thinking when they used the same name for the first tier and the title track itself? They might as well use the same name for a mission, an outpost, and an explorable area), which would be much too confusing.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Good point. Moved. | 72 User 72 Truly Random.jpg | 02:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I actual prefer the article to be at Maxed titles rank, which is more intuitive; KoaBD might be official, but it's confusing. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 03:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Official names win for me. If there's a vote, I go for KoaBD. Jafar 04:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Same; besides the first line gives the (perhaps more intuitive) alternative. Lemme just go bold that. | 72 User 72 Truly Random.jpg | 13:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

gwamm note[edit]

i added a note that this title transfers to gw2 the_decline 10:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


Just wondering, if say multiple toons on one account reach 29 titles then max account base title will all toons names be shout out for being GWAMM or just the currently logged toon? --Waylander 33 09:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe it's only that character since only that character is actively updating it's information on the server, at least until you log on to one of the others, although I'm not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if the other characters would even "ding" in the chatbox upon logging in, I guess it depends on how the server interprets additions to titles while the character is offline. ~FarloUser Farlo Triad.pngTalk 08:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Most titles a newly made character can theoretically get...[edit]

This is hypothetical and this was brought up as a question by a player in my ally.

An ally mate was asking how many titles can one newly made character (Level 1) attain toward GWAMM at time of creation (on an existing account).

I did the research and found it to be 19 titles.

Note: this theory assumes you had another character or pvp to get all these titles.

Using account and activity titles only I found it to be about 12:

Account wide: 12

  • Rank 12 Kurz (1)
  • Rank 12 Luxon (1)
  • Codex (1)
  • Random Arenas (1)
  • GvG (1)
  • Zaishen (1)
  • Heroes Assent (1)
  • Lucky (1)
  • Unlucky(1)
  • Treasure Hunter (1)
  • Wisdom (1)
  • Skills (1) Nearly impossible to attain yet if it was, it would count.

Induividual via farming buying and hording required items: 7

  • Legendary Skill Hunter and its three component titles (4) This can be done by acquiring 290 elite tomes one for every skill and unlocking all 290 elite skills in pvp prior on a pvp toon.
  • Sweets (1) 10000 points bought, farmed, etc and stored for this character.
  • Party (1) same as above.
  • Alcohol (1) same as above.

Forgot my signing. <.< >.> Yumiko ^,~ 18:46, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Remember that there is only one campaign that allows you to reach a town without actually playing the character: Prophecies. Unless you wish to bend the "newly made character" rule, you can only do sweet/party/alcohol before killing foes or advancing quests. Tub 20:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah it would have to be bent a bit to get the three you need to access a xunlai chest for. And in Proph, you do not have a Xunlai chest until post searing.Yumiko ^,~ 23:19, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Even in Pre, another toon could gather up your consumables and you can use a guildie to transfer them to your L1 character. But you wouldn't be eligible for the four skill hunter titles. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
You still need to be able to change professions to get skill hunter--Indigo121 18:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Account-displayable GWAMM?[edit]

How about it guys, after one character reaches GWAMM, all characters can display it? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Or you can do the work and get them on each character you want the title on (end bragging now). Mora 03:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Suggested Effect[edit]

Once this title is maxed and displayed (by checking the box), it would be a nice reward to have that make all of your other titles be active (e.g. Norn, Ebon Vanguard, Deldrimor, etc.). This would allow one to just display "God Walking" and be done with having to switch around. Lord Flynt 21:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)